Ryoga

[Maccy99]

Everyone knows that Ranma and Akane use the anything goes style but what style does Ryoga use? I'm just wondering.

[Ko Hakaisha]

I think I heard somewhere it was more of a street-brawl style ... but I think it's a variation on Anything-Goes.

[WierdIsraeli]

well ...it maybe considered anything goes .but i like to call it the "free style ,learn as we go alone ,and add several trick from old people" style

[Maccy99]

Ranma learns from old people too. It's not just Ryoga.

[WierdIsraeli]

yes ...but ranma always revise it

[Maccy99]

Ranma only revised the chestnut fist because he had no choice. I'm sure if Ryoga had been in the same situation he would have done the same. And I personally don't think Ranma is a better fighter he just has better luck. Some say Ranma's a smarter fighter but I think they're both the same. Ranma just gets more opportunities to prove it. And Ranma never revised the hiryu-shoten-ha or the ki blast.

[WierdIsraeli]

actually ranma did revise the ki blast ...instead of depression he uses confedance ...and one more thing, ranma and ryoga are equally match ,ranma relays more on tactics and agility ,while ryoga relays on stranght.

remember ,when ryoga pokes a wall ,he make holes in it like it was butter......

i do agree that when it comes to physcial stranght ,ryoga beats them all ....but he's more dense then ranma ...(shell we count the times ranma dressed up differantly and was able to fool ryoga ...heehee ,i like those times.... usually when ryoga finds out ranma goes into earth orbit...heehee)

[Maccy99]

I agree that Ranma and Ryoga are equally matched and Ryoga can be a little dense. But I don't think he's really stupid, he's just emotianally messed up.

Remember the episode with the earns and the spring of drowned man in season 2:lol:

[WierdIsraeli]

He's shy ,there's no doubt about it ....he's nicer then ranma ,but he's far more dense and naive ...that poor guy ... he one of my favourite characters there (considering i like all of the main cast ,that isn't surprising)

i loved it everyday when he and ukyo teamed up ..

[Ko Hakaisha]

Hm. I think that they are equally smart when it comes to fighting, it's just in real life that Ryouga is a moron ... ^^

They are equally matched, with Ranma favoring speed, and Ryouga favoring strength and stamina, imho. ^^

[Ura]

Actually I find Ryoga to be a more Anything Goes fighter. Ranma's technique seems to be heavily linked to Kempo. Ranma uses a lot of acrobatics when he fights, flips and such where as Ryoga tends to got more for heavy blows. Watch their first fight again in Series 1.

Ryoga to me is the better fighter, Ranma relies too much of his Chestnut fist. Ryoga is a better all rounder, using anything he can get his hands on as a weapon (Telegraph pole anyone?)

[KaWoRu_AnGeL]

i dont think using an umbrella to fight is anything goes. i think its cock fighting really. cause he is a wuss for one for using an umbrella. but that is my opinion.

[7thKeeper]

I think Ryogas style is a mix of this and that that he's learned while traveling. Like he learned the bandanna shuriken thing after being cursed in China, just something he picked up. I think Ranma beats Ryouga skillwise just barely as Ranmas has had a sensei teaching him and Ryouga has been forced to learn on his own (though this might not be true as while traveling someone MIGHT have actually taught him the things he's learned).

[chasta]

Ryoga's hilarious! As for who's stronger, I'm not sure. I think both Ranma and Ryoga have their strong points. Ranma is great with tactics and Ryoga uses brute strength (I believe someone already mentioned this and I have to agree with them.) And I thought the umbrella was to protect himself from getting wet so he can avoid turning into P-chan? Correct me if I'm wrong on that--and I do know that he does indeed use the umbrella for fighting as well--but I thought I read that somewhere.

[Yoshi-chan]

I think Ryoga uses the anything goes too ^.^;;;

[Ko Hakaisha]

Ryouga may be more resourceful, but that doesn't make him a better fighter. An' he's not a better fighter than Ranma just because Ranma can dodge every blow Ryouga throws. In my honest opinion, they're equal fighters. Like I said before, Ranma favors speed, Ryouga favors strength. That's why neither one of them ever wins in their fights ... well, besides the couple few times where Ranma uses the Hiryu Shoten Ha attack on Ryouga, but that doesn't really count. ^^

[KAS]

Good question...

*thinks really hard*

I think it's any form he knows really, wether it's Anything Goes or street brawl-style...

[Ko Hakaisha]

I really don't think street-brawl would be much of a challenge for Ranma. I have my money on a variation of Anything Goes.

[Maccy99]

I agree with Ko. I think they're pretty much equal fighters. Ryouga has strength and Ranma speed. Ranma can punch Ryouga ten times and it's the equivalent of him getting hit once by Ryouga. Ryouga tries to hit Ranma just once but he always dodges.

But it pisses me off how Ranma and Ryouga are equal but sometimes Ranma just shrugs of Ryouga like he were Kunou or something.

[Ko Hakaisha]

Ranma's too confident for his own good. ^^

[raanefea]

Yeah, I'm waiting for Tatewaki to secretly learn all of Cologne's skills in a week (hey! bit's anime, it could happen!) then come to have a nice little chat with Our Hero...;)

[KAS]

I SAID THIS ONCE BEFORE AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN: KUNO SUCKS HARD

Ranma is too confident for his own good, and cocky at times too, but NEVER, I say again, NEVER will Kuno beat Ranma unless he learns to accept the fact that he is a total idiot and loser!!!!

And Ryoga is a very tough one, ever since the many rocks continually smashed him head on for 3 or 4 days... and then learning his Break Point Attack(what was that in Japonese again?).

[Ko Hakaisha]

Bakusai Tenketsu. ^^

Actually, Kunou is an excellent Kendo master. He's undefeated at Kendo, you know. It's just when he fights someone that uses some other style that he gets his butt kicked. ^^

And really, all Kunou would have to do is challenge Ranma to a Kendo match with no warning time so Ranma doesn't get a chance to learn it's style ... ... And eat some of the Speed of Light Elixer ... ... Then Ranma would be screwed. ^^

[Maccy99]

He almost beat Ranma w\that elixir. But then he got a stomach ache, that was hilarious.:lol: Oh and Ko, have you seen the episode with Kunou and Nabiki yet? If so did you like it?

[Ko Hakaisha]

No, I haven't gotten to see it yet, I'm afraid.

[7thKeeper]

Well what about Kunou and Ranma in the watermelon island episode where Kunou had gone to the "Watermelon Island" to train and had lost his memory (manga volume 17)? Kuno was quite powerful then. Okay so he learned the technique to split watermelons neatly to impress his pig-tailed goddess but oh well..

[Ko Hakaisha]

That technique was incredible. Heightened physical strength and speed. He was faster than Ranma and stronger than Ryouga. But only when he saw watermelons. And even then, there was a major weakness, which Ranma exploited to defeat him. ;)

When does that episode come about, Maccy? I can't remember. :(

[Maccy99]

I haven't seen the watermelon episode.

[kagome]

Originally posted by Maccy99
And Ranma never revised the hiryu-shoten-ha or the ki blast.

Yes, he did. :P anyone who's read the Japn. manga will see this. In the eps about the teacher lady that grows older (forget her name), he revises hiryushouten ha to make it go down instead of up. Etc etc... too lazy to think of more examples...

Back on topic....
Ryouga's style is pigheaded style!! hehe. Don't hurt me. I just don't like Ryouga. He is not creative, he seems to have more strenth than skill. And also Ranma is at least as strong as Ryouga, remember the umbrella thing.

[Ko Hakaisha]

Ranma is nowhere near as strong as Ryouga. Even though Ranma could lift the umbrella, that doesn't mean a thing. Remember how many times Ryouga could take the hundred-punch Chestnut Fist before he started to show effect? 6 times, at least. He's strong; very strong. Ranma can't compare to him at all.
Ranma can't poke holes into walls without trying. Ryouga can. Ryouga could crater the ground just by tapping his umbrella against the ground. Ranma couldn't do that AFTER he learned the Chestnut Fist. Ryouga is MUCH stronger than Ranma.

[Falinah]

Another thing that shows Ranma as being not as strong is how easily he's hurt when someone like Akane (I'm not denying that she's strong just saying) punches him or kicks him. But Akane is poor Ryouga-kun's main weakness and power...I really wish that Akari-chan came in in the shows...*sigh*...she's really cool!!!!! But overall I'd say Ryouga is Anything goes style, if it meant beating Ranma...

[Maccy99]

Man, this thread sure is resilient.

I don't think Ryouga is pigheaded or stupid. I think he just doesn't try to do smart things. He doesn't try to be strategic. He just trys to be strong. He just thinks that's best.

[kagome]

Originally posted by Ko Hakaisha
Ranma is nowhere near as strong as Ryouga. Even though Ranma could lift the umbrella, that doesn't mean a thing. Remember how many times Ryouga could take the hundred-punch Chestnut Fist before he started to show effect? 6 times, at least. He's strong; very strong. Ranma can't compare to him at all.
Ranma can't poke holes into walls without trying. Ryouga can. Ryouga could crater the ground just by tapping his umbrella against the ground. Ranma couldn't do that AFTER he learned the Chestnut Fist. Ryouga is MUCH stronger than Ranma.

Of COURSE Ranma is as strong as Ryouga. He just doesn't CHOOSE to go bashing things up all the time. But it doesn't mean that he CAN'T. Wakatta? Like when Ranma got cured from being weak, he was so happy we went off destroying buildings. And if Ryouga took 6 times of the chestnut attack, well then (counterattack) didn't Ranma take all those punches from oh-so-strong Ryouga? Yes. They are equally matched. After all, Ranma DID win that time.

[Maccy99]

Ranma won the Bakusai Tenketsu match because Cologne didn't tell Ryouga that the attack didn't work on humans. The whole time they were fighting Ryouga wasn't trying to kick or punch. He was just trying to get Ranma with his finger.

And Ranma himself said that Ryouga was stronger than him. When they were first fighting Ryouga pulled up a phone poll to hit Ranma with! I think one of Ryouga's hits is equal to about 20 of Ranma's hits. But since Ranma is so fast, they are equal.

And when you think about it, Ryouga loses many times because of bad luck. Let's see, there was one time when Ryouga had Ranma on the ground and was about to beat the crap out of him. But then Happosai's disciple, stopped Ryouga and they both ran off. Ranma was hurt pretty bad. Most of their fights are like this. As in unfinished.

And Ranma may be strong but Ryouga could probably bash a whole city block up and not get tired.

[Ko Hakaisha]

Actually, Ranma DIDN'T win that time. In fact, he would've lost, had they both not fallen into the river. Remember, he couldn't dish out that super-punch very much at all.

None of Ranma's and Ryouga's fights have ever finished. Well, besides the one with the Heavenly Blast, but that wasn't really very much of a fight. And Ranma exhibited know sign of strength, there.

Ranma himself has REPEATEDLY admitted that Ryouga's stronger than him. Ryouga favors strength, Ranma favors speed. 'Tis a contest as old as time. Frankly, if Ranma was as fast as he was, an' as strong as Ryouga, then Ryouga wouldn't be a contest for him, and he's repeatedly shown that he is MORE than a contest for him.

[kagome]

Who needs strength when ya got brains? teeheehee!
Ahh, Ranma is so much cooler anyway.... Why bother arguing about it.
The point is that Ranma WOULDN'T bash up a whole city block. Ryouga would. And it'd probably have something to do with Akane rejecting him :P

[kagome]

sou da!
Wasn't it cool how Ranma revised shishihoukodan so that it worked on confidence instead of depression? *blushes* Aa--Ranma-sama!

[7thKeeper]

Hmm.. could we consider Ryouga being better at ki-attacks since he perfected the Shi Shi Hokoudan, but Ranma (atleast as far as I know) has only fired a Mouka Takabisha similar to the "unmastered" version of the Hokoudan?

[Ko Hakaisha]

I think it was something like that, 7th Keeper. I can't wait until they release those videos ... !

[7thKeeper]

Heh.. well since I won't be able to get the videos (without having them shipped from US or something similar) I'll just have to wait for the manga and I will only have to wait for the next volume since the Shi Shi Hokoudan episode is in volume 18! Or as far as the info I've dug up it should be in volume 18.

[Ko Hakaisha]

Three more volumes to go, here!!

[Maccy99]

Actually 7th keeper. The Shi-Shi Hokoudan is in volume 20: part one, of the manga.:( sorry.

But in the episodes it's episode# 123. Does anyone know what episode of season 5 that is? I think I might have a fansub of it on streamload.

[7thKeeper]

Actually yes it is but I've noticed something. I looked through a site that had the japanese mangas translated in order, and stangly, the events which happen in the english manga volume 17 happen in the japanese volume 19. I've checked a lot of the scripts and it just seems that Viz has been putting the manga together a little "tighter". So while in numerical order we're at 17, it looks like we've gotten all the stories that in japan had been released in volumes 1-19. I'm gonna check it but it seems like this. We'll know for sure when 18 comes out.

[Killjoy]

I wonder if the manga thing is because Viz puts more in per issue, or if they skip over some of the shorter stories. I'd like to think Viz could do at least one good thing for me :D