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Arrrrgh
23-03-01, 10:22 PM
After working together to combine the angelic intellectual power of Rei Ayanami, the experience and infinite, omnipotent genius of Lain Iwakura, and whatever positive traits I have, the three of us have developed a theory.

http://www.cosplayhell.com/rei.gif Angelic intellectual power?

*shrug* Let us move on to the final theory we've laid out.

http://www.cosplayhell.com/lain.jpg The fact that this theory is endorsed by, ahem, god herself, is enough to prove it. However, we have more concrete proof. As if my being Goddess of the Wired isn't concrete enough for you! Well, report the findings.

We think Lain exists within infinity and from infinity she can access any point in history. This may be a bit confusing so we're trying to explain this as clearly as possible.

In order to explain this theory, a few terms and working diagrams have to be worked out.

First of all let’s start with history. History can be defined as a collection of events along a linear timeline that has a beginning and an end. This corresponds to the explanation of history given in layer05: distortion where the Mask says, "History is not just a collection of independent points which were passed by. The lines were connected by someone, in fact they were forced to connect." Implying that history is a collection of points that are connected by a linear line.

Therefore if we visualize history onto a diagram it would be it this, a number of points or events connected by a line with starting and ending points.


History. A collection of events.

begin . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . end

Next we have to find someway to visualize the unvisualizable: infinity.

Infinity as a time concept is very hard to picture simply because infinity when applied to time postulates no ‘before’ and no ‘after’ therefore no past and no future, only an endless NOW. This NOW is both a single point of time and ALL time wrapped into one. This ‘point’ can also be thought of as a single ‘state’, as in infinity there can be no change of this state because any change to this state will imply a past and a future which CANNOT exist in infinity. Anything existing within infinity will thus not change its state, this explains Lain’s always existing in her child form and never growing older.

For the purposes of this argument think of infinity as the following: a single point with no point coming either before or after it. I don't really need to make a diagram of a point, do I???? Anyway, let's place this next to the earlier diagram of ‘history’.

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Infinity as a single point. Actually, a period, but that's irrelevent.


History. A collection of events.

begin . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . end

However since by the very definition of infinity it EXISTS before the beginning of history and also exists forever, therefore meaning it exists long before history began and exists long after history ends, thus rendering the above diagram inaccurate.

Therefore let us stretch the single point of infinity out into a line to demonstrate its infinite existence

<------------------------------------------------->
Infinity stretching out Ad Infinitum

Remember that this line is still a single point or state, think of it as the point dragged along indefinitely into the past and the future so that it forms a single line, like when you drag the single point of your pencil along a piece of paper it becomes a long line but the effective drawing edge of the pencil is still a point.

Next envision that transferring between history and infinity is possible. Since infinity exists as a single state no matter what occurs in history, anything existing in infinity will be able to cross into any point in history since the single point of infinity exists alongside all points of history.

http://www.cosplayhell.com/transfer.gif

Therefore if Lain exists in infinity she can then access any event in the past, present and future and since because she exists in infinity her form will never change (because there is only a single 'state' in infinity) this explains why in the final scene where she can visit a now adult Alice yet her own form is still her original child-like one.

http://www.cosplayhell.com/lain.jpg He's just reading off the notes Rei and I made.

Urm, yes. Moving on, this also explains why there appears text in layer 13 that states, "There are just not memories of the past. There are also memories of today and tomorrow." Because of her existing in infinity Lain can have access to and will thus have memories of everything event in time, every event in the past, present and the future.

http://www.cosplayhell.com/lain.jpg Then as Alice and the teacher walked away, I said, "Yes. I can see you anytime." Meaning I can choose any point in time to come and see Alice! Hooray!!

All this gives the final words Lain says to the viewer, "I'm here. So I will always be with you. Always." a whole new meaning. Basically because she exists in infinity and can cross over into any single point in history she will 'always be with us'.

http://www.cosplayhell.com/lain.jpg Even though I'm staying at Derek's house, I choose to pop in on some old friends once in a while! Fun!!

I am so, so, so tired. *collapses*

http://www.cosplayhell.com/rei.gif This is unfortunate. He's not breathing.

http://www.cosplayhell.com/lain.jpg Well, SOMEONE'S got to give him CPR!

http://www.cosplayhell.com/rei.gif I'm wondering how much you'll enjoy giving him CPR...

http://www.cosplayhell.com/lain.jpg Shut up!!!

Drizzten
23-03-01, 11:15 PM
Very well thought-out...although there are a lot of assumptions here. We assume the "history" is not infinite. We assume time is not history. We assume that Lain exists in some realm that is infinite, which has no "before" or "after"...yet she can still reach different areas along the history line. This would mean that the inifinite realm she exists in is everywhere at once (scarily, like god) along the singularity stretched out infinitely. Help me if I'm missing something.

It's like the set of all real numbers (the infinite) matching a fixed set of integers...

Arrrrgh
23-03-01, 11:27 PM
I...um...cannot...think...any...more *falls asleep*

http://www.cosplayhell.com/rei.gif He's out like a light again.

http://www.cosplayhell.com/lain.jpg At least I don't have to keep holding this cold cloth on his head any more. Okay, to reply to Drizzten, you're correct. The question is less like "how long?", it's more of a state of "I am here, therefore, I am."

http://www.cosplayhell.com/rei.gif He's waking up.

ungh...drizzten....please...no more...comparisons...to mathematical......termszzzzzz...

http://www.cosplayhell.com/lain.jpg Is he unconscious again??!

http://www.cosplayhell.com/rei.gif No. He's just faking now.

Dammit. How'd you know??

http://www.cosplayhell.com/rei.gif Angelic intellectual power.

Night Kid
26-03-01, 12:29 AM
I too find great similarity between rei and lain i feel that its their intellectual simplicity, they know so much but act very modest, this is demonstrated through their lack of emotions, but incredible intelelctual levels. They are both innocent geniuses, with a mysterious, and depressing personality, to which many can relate.
thats my 2 cents
cya

Arrrrgh
26-03-01, 07:58 AM
Lain knocked some guy out in Cyberia, caused some Accela freak to blow his head off, killed Carl and the other MiB, outwitted and killed Masami Eiri, hung around telling jokes with Reika and Juri, the list goes on.

Do you think Rei would do any of this?

Drizzten
26-03-01, 04:02 PM
Given that the only aspects of Rei that I know are through NGE, I'd say no, Rei wouldn't...unless we're talking about Rei I/II and she's under Gendo's command.

Arrrrgh
26-03-01, 04:11 PM
Good point, good point. But, do you think Rei -even if ordered to by Gendo or if Rei I- would be able to socialize with Reika and Juri?

http://www.cosplayhell.com/rei.gif *groan* Leave my social skills alone.

Sorry Rei. But you're just not like Lain.

Drizzten
26-03-01, 04:52 PM
Well, if Shinji's simple act of cleaning up Rei's apartment could get a blush...I have hope for future social skills. Rei has smiled before...but I don't see much dancing, though. Can't imagine the poor girl talking about "girly" things with chatty females her age...might save her from that lifestyle though. No, I can't see her dealing effectively with Reika and Juri...

But can she IM like Lain? Naw, that's hoping for too much! :B:

raanefea
31-03-01, 03:33 AM
Imagine the timeline of every possible universe as an infinite line running from past to future.

Now imagine Lain's hangout as a multi-dimensional space in which every line of time is equalitent to a point in our space.

What stops Lain from occupying any point in her Universe?

Ergo, she can step onto any history of any four-dimensional Universe like ours.

raanefea
31-03-01, 03:53 AM
Anybody here ever had a vision of Asuka, Miyu, Utena, Nabiki, Shampoo and Lain having a slumber party?

Well, now you have.

Congradulations. Now you know how I felt.

Made me start writing a "meta-fic", where every universe has its own story, and then they converge to one multiverse-spanning climax. Very weird! I love working on it. If it's ever finished, the combined works of Dickens will seem a brochure! Go to the fanfic forum for a preview! Get'em while they're hot!

And it was all inspired by that scene