Hey... Are angels REALLY unaffected by conventional weapons?

[daniel480]

After thinking for a bit, I noticed that the angels aren't really unaffected by conventional weapons... The diamond angel was killed by a new type of positron rifel right? Well, isn't that a conventional weapon? the spider angel (material or something) got killed by a big machine gun... Aren't machine guns conventional weapons?
Can someone help me... I'm confused...

[eva_02's soul]

Yeah,but these weopens were specifically designed for an eva's use.That means that they have to be able to kill an angel.

[DeadManSeven]

Conventional weapons: missiles, machine guns, ect.
Non-conventional weapons: Pallette Rifles, Prog Knives, Positron Cannon, etc.

When they say conventional weapons, they're referring to pre-Second Impact combat equipment, which wouldn't make a dent in any of the Angel due to their A.T. Field's, except maybe Matariel, 'cause it was crap. :)

[daniel480]

But isn't an EVA's machine gun just a bigger version of a modern machine gun... as so it fires bigger bullets at more deadly speeds?

[DeadManSeven]

Well, what damage did the Palette Rifles ever do? :) Most of the Angels were taken out using the Progresive Knife.

[Paradox]

Well, actually, I think most of the angels were taken out with Bare hands, usually when Unit 01 went berserk. :D

[DeadManSeven]

Well, whatever. Lessee...the only Angel to be destroyed by a projectile weapon was Matariel. The rest were either defeated in hand-to hand combat, with a few exceptions (3, 6, 8, 11, 16).

[Instrumentality]

The angels can be affected by conventional weapons, but only when they choose to be.

Conventional Weapon: Anything that is not an Eva

[kaji]

well it wouldn't be interestin if an angel died because somebody shot it with a pistol would it? more excitement new guns big bangs woohoo!

[Instrumentality]

True, A pistol would be boring, but the tension and dramatic narrative can be heightened by having angels only able to be beaten by certain methods or certain Evas.
Zeruel's fight is a good example, a feeling of invincibility is given the angel. Zeruel should have won, and would have won if it was'nt for Yui and her magical intangible S2 engine.

[KEEL]

All weapons are just weapons, no more no less. All can damage the Angels if it isn't stopped by an AT Field. The problem is something strong enough to get through the AT Field.

The best way is to neutralise the AT Field is by getting another AT Field close to it, like an evas. I believe that 2 AT Fields neutralise each other a lot better when their sources are close together. This is because at a distance, a AT field loses its strength and is too weak to neutralise another AT field completely.

That's why I think Misato says hand to hand combat is the best way to beat the Angels, and that big projectile and energy weapons do #$*) all when fired at the Angels at long range. Since the knife is a hand to hand combat weapon, it works well because at that range the Angel's field is neutralised.

Once the AT Field is neutralised, the Angel is vulnerable. It can be destroyed by things like 2 battleships firing their cannons at point blank or in Matariel's case a pallete rifle (eva-02 had neutralised their fields in both of these cases).

[kaji]

unless u use the lance of longinus muhahhaha kik some angel butt wif that...

[DeadManSeven]

Practically anything would die if it had two destroyers rammed down it's throat and detonated, A.T. Field or not. :)

[death]

they were battleships not destroyers

and most force fields colapse if a couple of jillon volts is shot at it (the positron rifle)


any way if the couldent destroy the angels thee would be no series and that would be vere sad :(

[ryezen]

Gaghiel had the weakest ATfeild. plus the fact that 02 had neutralized it already. if it still had its atfeild, the ships woundnt have done the damage - that is why Misato had to have 02 neutralize it in the first place.

[GhostStalker00]

This whole conventional weapon thing has me stumpted to, if angels are unaffected by them then why, only about 10 minutes into the whole series, they dropped a nuke on the angel and ripped it's face apart!!
It didn't kill it, but it certainly was AFFECTED!! now wasn't it?

[daniel480]

So angels are affected.. it's just that those conventional weapons don't pack a big enough punch to break through the AT Fields right? (the only one that does... that I can think of... is the Prototype Positron Rifle) So if an Eva goes up to an angel, neutrilizes it's AT field, and then stuffs 10 N2 mines right on an angel... would it kill it?... so an AT Field is kindof like a shield from Star Trek or sumthin... and the Eva's don't really use their AT Fields a lot... I don't think that 2 AT Fields coming together neutrilizes both AT Fields because Rei tried to stuff an N2 mine into that angel in episode 20 (the angel that got into NERV control center...) and she had to try to push the mine through the angel's AT Field... this is getting even more confusing...*.*

[Cybertron]

remember the positron rifle? they had to focus 10,000,000 kilowatss (damn!) ont a point less than a centimeter wide. that is a heck of a lot of juice, but it barely broke through

[KEEL]

Like I said before the Angels are affected by conventional weapons, like any weapon, but the point is they are usually too weak to break through the AT Field to do damage to it. Once the Angel's AT Field is neutralised by eva's any weapon can do damage, conventional or not.

AT Fields are always on in combat, you just don't usually see it actively displayed by the angel/eva. Its usually neutralised at close range combat anyway. It sometimes though takes time and effort to break through. This is shown in many cases, like in Unit-01 vs Sachiel (third angel). Notice Misato or Ritusko mentions that the Eva is using its own AT Field to break through the Angel's.

N2 mine (NON nuclear weapon) is very powerful and some of its firepower can get through and damage the Angel a little. AT Field neutralises most, and often all of it (bomb angel). Positron Rifle is also very powerful and concentrated and could break through (with help with the Eva's Field). But remember the mind raping Angel, it was almost to destroy because it was out of range of the eva's AT Field. Fully charged positron rifle was deflected by it. The lance is a different matter though. :B:

As for getting a eva up close and neutralising the AT Field, then detonating 10 N2 mines, its not an elegent solution. You would destroy a lot your stuff, like the evas and a the city along with the Angel.

Hope this helps. :B:

[Panda_Boy]

why didnt they just use the lance of longinus from the first fight rather than just save it till the 15th angel??? I'm sure all the angels would have been a peice of cake if they just used the lance from the start.

Conventional wepons dont do any damage to angels unless you nutralise the AT feild. Yet against the 14th angel (I think that is the angel that unit 01 ended up eating), before Asuka got both her arms taken off by the angel, Asuka was using machine guns and rocket launchers against the angel without nutralising the AT feild then she complains that the bullets and rockets are not hitting the angel. They must of known by now that the AT feild had to be nutralised then why did Asuka bother firing at the angel and why did she bother complaining when she couldn't hit the angel?????

Panda_Boy

[DeadManSeven]

The Lance was keeping Lillith under control. Also, they didn't actually have the Lance until Gendo went and picked it up from Antarctica halfway through the series. Plus it was rather important to Instrumentality, so they couldn't risk getting Angel blood all over it, or something. :)They only brought it out against Arael becuse even the Eva's weapons would have been ineffective at the rage it was, and because Gendo lives to ---- Keel off. :D