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Hiragi
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What was the Katsuragi expedition's purpose? Did it work for Gehirm (Gendo was there)? Why was Misato there (it's not an ideal place for a 14 year old girl)?
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Well the expedition was organised by Girhern, that is stated by Misato. Their purpose, to test the super solinoid theory.....etc etc. BUT I dont believe thats ALL they were doing their for a second. I have further plans to discus this as well at a later time when my notes are more organised. Sorry.
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Pen2
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I don't know about super solenoid theory, but i thought the purpose of the Katsuragi Expedition was the reduction of Adam to an Embryo via The Lance? Actually come to think of it this may have been Gehirn's objective, but not that of Katsuragi.......
----"Gyaaa" -Penē
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Well on the front it is said that Mr Katsuragi was their to test the Super Solinoid Engine (S2 Engine). But as you stated theirs of course more to it.
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is the solenoid u r talking about like wires wrapped around a magnet to produce eclectricity?
if so, how would the s2 theory work?
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Sorry corpse thats a little out of my depth, I only have knowledge of Eva. I have know idea how the S2 theory works, I wasn't even aware solinoid was a "real" word. Ok I researched it and yeah a solenoid is a coil of wire and when has current passing thur becomes a magnet, like how those little lego engine works, to turn the axel.
I have no idea how energy can be created out of nothing, perhaps it relates to how, Unit01 activated at the start with out power or an S2 engine. An engine is a machanical device which uses fuel to created a reaction or commonly to create thrust. So a question arises what is the fuel? Could it be that the soul inside the eva is the fuel, I mean Unit01 activated itself without power, maybe the S2 engine is just a way of effiencinetly using this light of the soul to create power.
But perosnally I don't believe Anno gave it any great thought into how the S2 engine works, so everything stated is just speculation, which im making up as I go along, without any real proof. Most likely Anno picked the device solenoid because it sounds technically and relates to creating power, I don't think theirs any thing further in it then that, or we would just be making it up, so it makes sense. Of couse if anyone has evidence to support their statements, please share.
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eva2000
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Yeah this seems interesting... S2 Theory ? any else can provide some info on this ?
George
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NiggyG
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I heard somewhere that the S2 engine could turn matter directly into energy with a 100% efficiency, much like the Sun (solinoid ~ solar).
Covax
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Any relation to the S2 drive that EVA-01 "ate" off of Zeruel? They seemed to be the brians/heart/power source of the angels.
But then that leads to the "theory".. did the scientists create the S2 units or just tinkered around with them off of Addam/Lilith..? At fist is seems a silly question but give it some thought....
Covax
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If a regular generator works by wires drawing electricity off a spinning magnet.. I guess the super solonoid would not be the power source but the thing that draws out the power..
Pen2
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Well i originally thought that the Red "core" visible on the early angels (perhaps some form of "evolution" or just progressivley greater challenges?) was their Sē organ. but when zeruel (14th) blew off Eva-01's chest armour it also appeared to have one.....
----"Gyaaa" -Penē
A T h 401
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I also thought and still think that that red thing is the S2 organ.
While 01 did not have one, it may have had the place or dare i say holder for it. The red thing could just be the outer wall and nothing to do with the workings.
But then angels 5?- maybe 4? ,11, 15, 16 and 17 did not have that red thing visible.
But Misato? was shocked to see 01 with one.
ATh
Yuusuke
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Wasn't that the place that the entry plug is put into? I remember seeing that as the 14th angel was hitting the red thing, it started to crack. Then it showed the inside of the cockpit with Shinj trying to get 01 moving, and the cracks started appearing there too. Maybe I missed something, as I have been watching some other anime lately. Although I do beleive that the red sphere on many of the angels was the s2 engine and that the others had internal s2's or some other form of it (the computer virus, tape seven, I think)
corpse
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i remeber the episode u r talkin about...but only vaguely
and to the guy who said that electricity is drawn from the spinning magent...thats not exactly right. i may be getting technical but the diff in magnetic flux produced by the spin induces the current in the coil. so the magnet needs to keep spinning...somehow i dont think this will be inside an angel (a magent i mean)
energy cannot be created or destroyed..only transferred so matter would have to store energy maybe at the atomic level which is a lota energy.
Access
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People people I think you are reading into this S2 engine thing, I don't believ you can try to justyfy how it works, the name just sounded good. Yeah I did the EVA marathon watching all the eps and movie today. And yeah your right the plug started to crack when the core of the EVA was being attacked. Good eye, very good eye. It said in the series (I should of written it down) which led me to the conclusion that Misato's dad didn't create the S2 organ he just copied "Being forced to use things we don't understand" so to speak.
Access
Ordog
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Sorry Access but I tend to disagree. I think Anno put so much research into the religous side of things, i'm sure he would've gone into detail about the s2.
Is it possible that the s2 itself is a magnet, which is spinning creating the energy, or am i way off track?
lol
Access
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I think Kaji said it best.
"Some people abandon simple truths to look for deeper truths that aren't there".(Ep. 24)
I can just imagine Anno sitting at home drinking a beer with bisket crumbs all over him laughing like Newman from Sienfield laughing saying to himself "Heh heh heh (in a beavis type voice) those fools heh heh, I picked the word solenoid from opening a random page in the dictionary heh heh trying to read further into it heh, heh."
but if you want to discuss it, fine I have no objections. heh heh.
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fasad
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hey,
getting techo, a solenoid is simply a length of wire wrapped around in a coil. they are used in transformers in real life. its just the way magnetic fields work that gives them any use. the stuff in nge about perfect energy conversion is probably about an 100% efficient solenoid -which would still have no special uses or properties. It's got nothing to do with matter/energy conversion (although solenoids are used in fusion reactors and a 100% efficient one may be usefull in that case, but there is no mention of fusion reactors in nge).
back to eva, i think the "s^2" stuff is just used cause it sounds cool and techo (remember, eva is japanese!). look at the "n2 mine" from the series. n2 sounds much better than "non-nuclear", or plain old "nuclear". the s2 unit is just a source of unlimited energy. it doesn't matter what it stands, does it?
the katsuragi expedition found adam, and i think it was stated that katsuragi invented the s2 theory, but i can't remember what the given reason was.
eva2000
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hi fasad and welcome to my message board...
i hope you'll enjoy your stay and participate more often
George
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http://www.eva2000.com/siteprojects/
Covax
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Ahhh, but which came first, the organ or the theory?
(ok I'll shut up now)
Access
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Well the S2 organ is in all the angels and thir thousands years old, and the theory was created by Dr Katsuragi by copiing a S2 organ of an Angel. Messing with things they don't understand, don't forget they didn't know what they were doing and the whole 2nd branch of Nerv disapperaed into a Deroc sea, another universe, "Describe only by abstract mathematics". I don't think mankind has the abillity to make something such as that without cloning something first.
(Ok now Ill shut up to)
Access
corpse
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yay someone who knows some physics...
well i only mentioned the transfer of energy from matter because someone said that it was converted from matter (or was i just dreaming)
but anyway...a solenoid is not 100% efficient becoz it loses heat so it is fitting that a super solenoid is named so becoz it is 100% efficient. but to do so, the wire around the magnet needs to be a superconductor which retains the electricity (to be moe specific eddy currents)becoz of low resistivity. now the superconductors we know only work at very low temperatures (the highest being 23.2 kelvin).
any thoughts or have i lost everyone except maybve for fasad (sorry if i got the name wrong)
EVA-Pilot
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What was the Katsuragi expedition's purpose? Did it work for Gehirm (Gendo was there)? Why was Misato there (it's not an ideal place for a 14 year old girl)?
Hiragi
Access
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Well the expedition was organised by Girhern, that is stated by Misato. Their purpose, to test the super solinoid theory.....etc etc. BUT I dont believe thats ALL they were doing their for a second. I have further plans to discus this as well at a later time when my notes are more organised. Sorry.
Access
Pen2
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I don't know about super solenoid theory, but i thought the purpose of the Katsuragi Expedition was the reduction of Adam to an Embryo via The Lance? Actually come to think of it this may have been Gehirn's objective, but not that of Katsuragi.......
----"Gyaaa" -Penē
Access
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Well on the front it is said that Mr Katsuragi was their to test the Super Solinoid Engine (S2 Engine). But as you stated theirs of course more to it.
Access
corpse
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is the solenoid u r talking about like wires wrapped around a magnet to produce eclectricity?
if so, how would the s2 theory work?
Access
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Sorry corpse thats a little out of my depth, I only have knowledge of Eva. I have know idea how the S2 theory works, I wasn't even aware solinoid was a "real" word. Ok I researched it and yeah a solenoid is a coil of wire and when has current passing thur becomes a magnet, like how those little lego engine works, to turn the axel.
I have no idea how energy can be created out of nothing, perhaps it relates to how, Unit01 activated at the start with out power or an S2 engine. An engine is a machanical device which uses fuel to created a reaction or commonly to create thrust. So a question arises what is the fuel? Could it be that the soul inside the eva is the fuel, I mean Unit01 activated itself without power, maybe the S2 engine is just a way of effiencinetly using this light of the soul to create power.
But perosnally I don't believe Anno gave it any great thought into how the S2 engine works, so everything stated is just speculation, which im making up as I go along, without any real proof. Most likely Anno picked the device solenoid because it sounds technically and relates to creating power, I don't think theirs any thing further in it then that, or we would just be making it up, so it makes sense. Of couse if anyone has evidence to support their statements, please share.
Access
eva2000
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Yeah this seems interesting... S2 Theory ? any else can provide some info on this ?
George
Free web hosting for Eva sites
http://www.eva2000.com/siteprojects/
NiggyG
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I heard somewhere that the S2 engine could turn matter directly into energy with a 100% efficiency, much like the Sun (solinoid ~ solar).
Covax
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(4/17/00 12:29:30 pm)
142.194.244.216
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Any relation to the S2 drive that EVA-01 "ate" off of Zeruel? They seemed to be the brians/heart/power source of the angels.
But then that leads to the "theory".. did the scientists create the S2 units or just tinkered around with them off of Addam/Lilith..? At fist is seems a silly question but give it some thought....
Covax
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If a regular generator works by wires drawing electricity off a spinning magnet.. I guess the super solonoid would not be the power source but the thing that draws out the power..
Pen2
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Well i originally thought that the Red "core" visible on the early angels (perhaps some form of "evolution" or just progressivley greater challenges?) was their Sē organ. but when zeruel (14th) blew off Eva-01's chest armour it also appeared to have one.....
----"Gyaaa" -Penē
A T h 401
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I also thought and still think that that red thing is the S2 organ.
While 01 did not have one, it may have had the place or dare i say holder for it. The red thing could just be the outer wall and nothing to do with the workings.
But then angels 5?- maybe 4? ,11, 15, 16 and 17 did not have that red thing visible.
But Misato? was shocked to see 01 with one.
ATh
Yuusuke
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Wasn't that the place that the entry plug is put into? I remember seeing that as the 14th angel was hitting the red thing, it started to crack. Then it showed the inside of the cockpit with Shinj trying to get 01 moving, and the cracks started appearing there too. Maybe I missed something, as I have been watching some other anime lately. Although I do beleive that the red sphere on many of the angels was the s2 engine and that the others had internal s2's or some other form of it (the computer virus, tape seven, I think)
corpse
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i remeber the episode u r talkin about...but only vaguely
and to the guy who said that electricity is drawn from the spinning magent...thats not exactly right. i may be getting technical but the diff in magnetic flux produced by the spin induces the current in the coil. so the magnet needs to keep spinning...somehow i dont think this will be inside an angel (a magent i mean)
energy cannot be created or destroyed..only transferred so matter would have to store energy maybe at the atomic level which is a lota energy.
Access
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People people I think you are reading into this S2 engine thing, I don't believ you can try to justyfy how it works, the name just sounded good. Yeah I did the EVA marathon watching all the eps and movie today. And yeah your right the plug started to crack when the core of the EVA was being attacked. Good eye, very good eye. It said in the series (I should of written it down) which led me to the conclusion that Misato's dad didn't create the S2 organ he just copied "Being forced to use things we don't understand" so to speak.
Access
Ordog
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Sorry Access but I tend to disagree. I think Anno put so much research into the religous side of things, i'm sure he would've gone into detail about the s2.
Is it possible that the s2 itself is a magnet, which is spinning creating the energy, or am i way off track?
lol
Access
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I think Kaji said it best.
"Some people abandon simple truths to look for deeper truths that aren't there".(Ep. 24)
I can just imagine Anno sitting at home drinking a beer with bisket crumbs all over him laughing like Newman from Sienfield laughing saying to himself "Heh heh heh (in a beavis type voice) those fools heh heh, I picked the word solenoid from opening a random page in the dictionary heh heh trying to read further into it heh, heh."
but if you want to discuss it, fine I have no objections. heh heh.
Access
fasad
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hey,
getting techo, a solenoid is simply a length of wire wrapped around in a coil. they are used in transformers in real life. its just the way magnetic fields work that gives them any use. the stuff in nge about perfect energy conversion is probably about an 100% efficient solenoid -which would still have no special uses or properties. It's got nothing to do with matter/energy conversion (although solenoids are used in fusion reactors and a 100% efficient one may be usefull in that case, but there is no mention of fusion reactors in nge).
back to eva, i think the "s^2" stuff is just used cause it sounds cool and techo (remember, eva is japanese!). look at the "n2 mine" from the series. n2 sounds much better than "non-nuclear", or plain old "nuclear". the s2 unit is just a source of unlimited energy. it doesn't matter what it stands, does it?
the katsuragi expedition found adam, and i think it was stated that katsuragi invented the s2 theory, but i can't remember what the given reason was.
eva2000
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hi fasad and welcome to my message board...
i hope you'll enjoy your stay and participate more often
George
Free webhosting for Eva sites
http://www.eva2000.com/siteprojects/
Covax
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Ahhh, but which came first, the organ or the theory?
(ok I'll shut up now)
Access
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Well the S2 organ is in all the angels and thir thousands years old, and the theory was created by Dr Katsuragi by copiing a S2 organ of an Angel. Messing with things they don't understand, don't forget they didn't know what they were doing and the whole 2nd branch of Nerv disapperaed into a Deroc sea, another universe, "Describe only by abstract mathematics". I don't think mankind has the abillity to make something such as that without cloning something first.
(Ok now Ill shut up to)
Access
corpse
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yay someone who knows some physics...
well i only mentioned the transfer of energy from matter because someone said that it was converted from matter (or was i just dreaming)
but anyway...a solenoid is not 100% efficient becoz it loses heat so it is fitting that a super solenoid is named so becoz it is 100% efficient. but to do so, the wire around the magnet needs to be a superconductor which retains the electricity (to be moe specific eddy currents)becoz of low resistivity. now the superconductors we know only work at very low temperatures (the highest being 23.2 kelvin).
any thoughts or have i lost everyone except maybve for fasad (sorry if i got the name wrong)