dream fight/s

[ryezen]

Ok, among the char. of RRK, who would you want to see fight and why? and if they fought, who do you think would win and why?

I would like to see a rematch between Kenshin and Sougo, since the first match was kinda one sided while the second one was not much of a fight. in addition to the fact that one of them was handicapped while the other was injured. as to who would win... that is why i want to see a rematch! :lol: but then again... i think Kenshin would win anyway, since he was able to take Shougo's Rai Ryu Sen and Kuzu Ryu Sen. Kenshin would also have an edge over Shougo since the secret of the succession technique, works well with his attitude.

[tekblade]

well for me like everyone else said saitoh and kenshin, cause it was cool when kenshin turned back to hitokiri and was kicking some ass. but now after i think kenshin could win causeif this was a rematch he would win cause of the new technique he learned, forgot it was called. :heh:

[ryezen]

are you referring to the Amakakeru ryu no Hirameki - succession technique?

but yes, a Saito-Kenshin rematch would be good, though you wont expect to see a comeback of the old hitoriki :(

[tekblade]

yeah thats the move, thats true he wont turn back to hitokir but oh well.

[ryezen]

but lets assume Minister. Okubo (spelling?) didnt stop their fight, who do you think would have won? and why?

[tekblade]

hmmmm tuff one. well kenshin is strong as hitokiri and saitoh got his moves down too. i dunno, but well everyone knows kenshin will always win. but hell get some serious injuries though. man i just dont know there both good at swords. to tell you the truth it might come out to a draw maybe. what about you?

[ryezen]

well, Saitoh did draw first blood, and you see kenshin even as a hitoriki get kinda shocked. the problem with kenshin is i dont he is that familiar with Saitoh's moves since Saitoh developed Gotatsu from the Shinsen Gumi technique (forgot the name) thus he is the only one who is capable of pulling it off. the way i see it, it is this knowledge of the techniques that kenshin usually gets his edge over his opponents since he can anticipate how it will be executed and thus be able to counter it.

however if we base the possible result from what that Okubo guy said, while he was rushing to stop them, (i cant remember the exact words) we can assume that the match would have been a tie - im not sure if this would carry some weight but, when Saitoh sees kenshin after he gets down from the carridge, he says something about Kenshin looking more powerful than before... and is somehow impressed(?)

but then again... im not really sure :heh:

[Boltarion]

I think Saitoh might have won that fight because they both lost their swords and I think Saitoh is much better at fist fighting than Kenshin is. But if they got their swords back it could have very well ended in a draw, but they both would have gotten some very serious injuries.

[tekblade]

intresting :D

[ryezen]

oh my :| i cant remember that scene! :|

what vol was it again - i have to borrow that vol! :redhot:

[tekblade]

im not sure but the fight with him was maybe volume 12? im not all sure but i guess its right. if im wrong im very sorry. :D

[ryezen]

not to worry :D luckily, the owner of the video shop knows whats in those tapes - i just hope i catch him when i borrow them... if its that girl... grrr :redhot:

[Boltarion]

The fight between kenshin and saitoh is somewhere around episode 30. So I think that battle was in vol. 8, but I'm not totally positive.

[tekblade]

hehe whats wrong with the girl? :D oh well, thats good your anime guy knows whatys in it, my anime guy knows some stuff.

[ryezen]

whats wrong with her? trust me, you wouldnt wanna know! ;)

[tekblade]

oh man shes that bad heh heh :lol:

[ryezen]

Originally posted by Boltarion
The fight between kenshin and saitoh is somewhere around episode 30. So I think that battle was in vol. 8, but I'm not totally positive.

it was ep 30 alright!

anyway, ive seen the match and i think Kenshin would have won, this is the scenario:

after kenshin gets free of saitoh's belt, they charged at each other. both lost thier swords, but lets assume Saitoh still holds his belt. kenshin on the other hand, has his scabbard (was it called a battou?). Saitoh resourceful and doenst know how to quit. Kenshin is hitoriki once more in addition to that he's way faster than Saitoh and is willing to kill. kenshin may be weaker than saitoh bit he still holds a weapon which resembles his sakaba - the sheath/scabbard. in some of his fights, we see him using that sheath to defend or do some damage as well. so im guessing, with his speed and all, he could have done a hiten mitsurugi kind of attack and defeated Saito

but then again, this is my interpretation... what do you think?

[tekblade]

maybe he could had used his sheath and smashed saitohshead with it, but i dunno kenshin can do wonders even without his sword

[ryezen]

remember the ep about this former hitoriki turned teacher who was being blackmailed by his old student? there was this move he did by having his pickaxe cut and then thrusting the pointed handle at his attacker... maybe kenshin could have done the same thing

but then again... Saitoh shouldnt be underestimated...

[tekblade]

hmm i remember that episode, but i forgot about that scene or i cant remember. well kenshin could do the same thing and your right saitoh has his own ways of kicking someone's ass.

[LiquidSnake]

I don't know about everyone but I'm getting sick of Kenshin taking all the glory! I'd really like to see a fight between Aoshi and Saitou. That'd be crazy. I mean technically Aoshi is still the strongest. The only reason Kenshin beat him was Aoshi let him. Both times! The first time, he nearly killed Kenshin with Kaiten Kenbu, but got a little cocky. The second time, he nearly got Kenshin with the Rokuren, but it was because Kenshin talked him out of his fight. He destroyed Aoshi's will the to fight for the title of the strongest.

[ryezen]

no i dont think Aoshi let kenshin win

the first time... not too sure but the second? no i doubt it, everything was put into that fight - especially the last part. though kenshin was badly beaten up, Aoshi didnt give any consideration.

Aoshi-Saitoh.... Aoshi is good, but do not underestimate Saitoh... im not sure at the moment as to who will win though :heh:

[tekblade]

heh i would kinda like to see that, but remember saitoh has way more experience that aoishi will ever have. and if aoishi let kenshin win, he would had beaten him up sooner.

[LiquidSnake]

Well I'm not like trashing Saitou or anything, I love um. But you'd always have to wonder what would have happened if something eles didnt happen. I mean imagine how many times Kenshin COULD have been killed by anyone. Udo Jine (the first time they met), Aoshi (he could have ended it after many points in the battle), Saitou (Im not so sure, but I'm sure Saitou had a very good chance of killing Kenshin) Of course Shishio (I mean he blew him up and stabbed him in the gut) Amuksa Shougu (after he blinded him, he could have killed him easily) Menders (the guy on the horse. kenshin couldnt even touch him with the succsession technique, he had to rely on hte after affect). I guess in a way you have to account all these things to series drama, but then again its like the bad guys give Kenshin lee way.

[tekblade]

you have a point but im not sure :heh:

[ryezen]

Originally posted by LiquidSnake
I guess in a way you have to account all these things to series drama, but then again its like the bad guys give Kenshin lee way.

yes, they do. if you were a proud warrior, would you like to know that you killed someone who has the potential of becoming a worthy opponent?

certainly not! why kill something so easily when you have faith in your abilities. when you know that you cannot be defeated... so thats what they do, savor thier victory... though in the end it is to thie downfall

[tekblade]

hehe all the bad guys wanna take on the hitokri battosai instead of the ruroni

[Bleed]

his a lot better if he turns to hitokiri, i would like to see who would win between Saitoh and Kenshin

[tekblade]

well like in back on the other posts we can always imagine that fight in our heads :D

[LiquidSnake]

To be brutaly honest, I think Kenshin would win over Saitou. Sorry Saitou fans but his style is too limited. He does have that Zero Stance thing, but I have a gut feeling that the way their previous fights turned out, Saitou wouldn't be able to use it. Kenshin as the Hitokiri would finish him off quick, no remorse for anyone. The rurouni would perhaps lose though because his sword has "limitations". So if he's the hitokiri, I'd say kenshin but if hes the panzy rurouni, id say Saitou!

[tekblade]

hmm intresting point, but im not so sure. kenshin and saitoh have their own unique skills so its hard to tell straight off who would win.

[ryezen]

the only reason kenshin won over Saitoh was that during thier previous fights, fights which ended up in stalemate, kenshin was able to formulate a counter for it (watch ep 30, you get your answers here) - he only got to use that counter 10 yrs after their last fight.... and i think they fought numerous times.

though you may look at the Gatatsu as limited in terms of stance/techniques, you have to remember that it is difficult to counter, much less survive it, even the hitoriki kenshin during the tokugawa era was wounded bec. of it. Shishio on the other hand has the ability to breakdown a technique by just witnessing it once. kenshin can do it if its shown atleast twice. besides Shishio is exeptional!

so like i said before, do not underestimate Saitoh or his Gatatsu... but since kenshin knows the succession technique, not to mention the counter for the gatatsu, there is no doubt that kenshin will win... but then again... Saitoh is resourceful....

[tekblade]

well said and alll true :D

[Edited by tekblade on 28-09-2000 at 09:45 AM]

[Bleed]

ryezen really know his stuff :D

[tekblade]

hehe thats cause hes a huge kenshin fan like me :D

[Boltarion]

Yeah, I love it in ep. 30 when Kenshin counters the gatotsu. If he was using a regular katana, instead of a sakaba, he would've cut Saitoh's head right off.
I also thought it was interesting that near the end of the manga after the revenge arc, when all the char's are moving away and going their seperate ways, Kenshin actually offers Saitoh to finish their fight but Saitoh never shows up because he always wanted to fight the hitokiri but kenshin would never become him again :bawling:

And for my views on Saitoh vs. Kenshin... if their fight in ep. 30 was never stopped it either would've been a draw or saitoh would've won. But, if they fought again after the Kyoto arc, I'm pretty sure that Kenshin would win since he knows the succession technique and stuff.

[Bleed]

i also think that kenshin would've won coz he already knows the succession technique and all.

[Weird Symbiosis]

My first post.. aw ʹm so happy.. j/k

I think one of the best fights is Seta Soujiro vs. Himura Kenshin.

[eva2000]

hi ya Weird Symbiosis and welcome to my forums :) check out and post and introduction in the Intros forum here http://www.animeboards.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=2 ;)

[Isuldor]

argh I can't read this whole thread till I finish watching the series.:bawling: I already read something is potentially revealing about the end... ahhhh! *begins to go insane* :burnup:

[Edited by Isuldor on 29-09-2000 at 05:41 PM]

[tekblade]

hehe, thats not good. Ill just tell ya it gets better later on in RK. also serjuro in a fight with kenshin is intresting but like i said before to see the fight with saitoh and kenshin would be the best

[Isuldor]

ah, I finished the whole series. I think my collection is misnumbered a bit (see this thread: http://animeboards.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=3365), 1-95 and I think I read somewhere theres only 92 (and I'm missing like 5).

Anyways I'd definitely go for a Kenshin and Shougo(sp?) rematch. His "god speed" was really wierd, I'd like to see how he got so fast (kinda weird to have a guy pop out of China and be faster than kenshin).
My favorite fight was probably Sano against the rock breaker (the shishio series)

by the way, is there any kenshin movies or other media I should see? I loved the series. I was watching so much kenshin this week, I thought I was going to turn japanese lololol!! :lol:
but its all over now... :bawling:

[ryezen]

"Anyways I'd definitely go for a Kenshin and Shougo(sp?) rematch. His "god speed" was really wierd, I'd like to see how he got so fast (kinda weird to have a guy pop out of China and be faster than kenshin)."

well it aint weird that Shougo is faster than Kenshin. remember, when he was escaping with his uncle and sister on the boat and saw all the crucified people, he made a promise to become a god so that he could get revenge, etc... so he trained hard enough, learned hiten mitsurugi ryu, and surpassed everyone...

now Shougo's speed is considered god-speed. Soujiro on the other hand, knows the Shuku-chi or near god speed. Soujiro was able to perform the shuku-chi bec. when he was a kid, he would be carrying all those bags of rice on his back - hence his legs were strengthend... im not sure with Shougo but he could have found a way to develop his god-speed... and knowing the fact that he lived in China, he could have learned a secret chinese art which allows you to move fast...

"by the way, is there any kenshin movies or other media I should see? I loved the series."

well there is a movie... dont recall the exact title but there are people out there who do not like it... to me its ok, kinda emotional... but its not that comparable to the series

[Edited by ryezen on 01-10-2000 at 05:41 PM]

[Isuldor]

good point there, and I've been surfing a few kenshin websites and managed to find some clips of the oav and :eek2: wow!
Now I want to see the oav hehe:lol:.
Also, I minor bit of confusion here, these are called the oav's which I thought was just a term we used for "original" anime that was not subbed or dubbed. However, what is referred to as the Kenshin oav's is actually a different series (like dragonball z is to dragonball)...

[edit: removed a couple questions after reading older posts :D:]

[Edited by Isuldor on 01-10-2000 at 07:30 PM]

[Bleed]

the kenshin OVA series is different, it was when kenshin was still the hitokiri battousai and how he got the X scar on his left cheek. have you seen it?

[tekblade]

ova is like after a animetv series like rk. the ova is after the tv series. it has same characters but in this one only had kenshin and is different in a way. oh yeah on the movie i do have it. its alright and u get to see saitoh kill somebody too. it was very emotional too and very sad in a way. :D

[Isuldor]

ah, thanks tekblade. so oav is extra stories to a regular animetv show. very cool.

[Edited by Isuldor on 02-10-2000 at 05:49 AM]

[kaia]

the ova is a must-see, its so cool. :B:

[tekblade]

yup :D

[kaia]

:)

[Einherjar]

know what's a really good fight. Hitokiri Battousai and an unsick Okita(remember him, the guy who was the leader of the shinsengumi 1st patrol, the one who was always with Saitou, smiles a lot just like Soujirou. Just by looking at the 4th OAV you can see that a closure of their fight would have been excellent.

How about an Enishi and Shougo?

[ryezen]

"know what's a really good fight. Hitokiri Battousai and an unsick Okita(remember him, the guy who was the leader of the shinsengumi 1st patrol, the one who was always with Saitou, smiles a lot just like Soujirou. Just by looking at the 4th OAV you can see that a closure of their fight would have been excellent."

oh yes! i remember that guy - come to think about it, i wonder what happened to him... hmmm... makes you wonder what the outcome would be...


"How about an Enishi and Shougo?

honestly i have yet to see Enishi fight... but that would be nice...

[Bleed]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Einherjar
[B]know what's a really good fight. Hitokiri Battousai and an unsick Okita(remember him, the guy who was the leader of the shinsengumi 1st patrol, the one who was always with Saitou, smiles a lot just like Soujirou. Just by looking at the 4th OAV you can see that a closure of their fight would have been excellent.

i think that Okita wasn't sick when he faced the Hitokiri Battousai, he appeared sick coz he was wounded by him.

[tekblade]

hmm i kinda would like to see that