Berserk....WHAT THE F*CK (spoilers)

[DrZepp]

Jesus christ, i just finished Berserk about 5 minutes ago, and i feel like someone just put a shotgun against my chest and fired 35 rounds.
Basically this series is F*CKING AWESOME.....its in the top three with taking the toll on my emotions and whatnot, in the end they were just toying with us. Around halfway through the last episode i realized i had broken out into a cold sweat, and then when Griffith turns into the new demon *shudders* and Gatts is sitting there watching Caska and Griffith and he cant do anything *shudders more* and then......its over

[DrZepp]

WHAT THE FUUUUUCCCCKKKKKKK
I need more, i need to know what happened to Caska, i need to know if this really is the most F U C K I N G tragic thing i have ever seen. For once in an anime it seems, the two characters that i loved the most, and through the whole thing wanted to see get together ACTUALLY DID GET TOGETHER, and then they pull this ending, which completely kills nearly EVERYONE i cared for in the series (obviously) and even worse leaves MY TWO FAVORITE CHARACTERS PRACTICALLY HANGING IN LIMBO.


(i had to post this again because it wasnt letting me post this whole thing....screwed up.....so i have to post my original post in sections)

[DrZepp]

I think Caska emerged as my favorite, and the whole thing between Griffith, Caska, and Gatts was DEEP i thought. Some of the greatest characters i have ever seen IMO, which made it even more heart wrenching to see what happened to them. So what now? Does the manga pick up where the series left off? is there ANY information out there on what happens, or any thing like the red cross book from eva.......just ANYTHING ELSE......PLEASE IF YOU KNOW GIVE ME INFORMATION.......

*ahem* well as you can probably tell i have been up all night watching this, and in typical fassion this is usually what i feel like right when i finish watching a GREAT anime series, so please respond with anything you have. Also i can think of a lot of things to discuss in here, so ill post again later before this gets too long and scares people away.


(just think of these 3 posts as one)

[Takahashi]

It was heartbreaking isn't it to see Griffith a broken man, painfully tortured soul, for like three years or so they kept hem "alive". I think when it comes to being tortured like that you would probably prefer death over living. You should watch the first episode to see what happens to Gatts. In the manga the story went on, but there are no plans to released more video. I don't know if it will ever happens any time soon.

[DrZepp]

Originally posted by Titan21
In the manga the story went on, but there are no plans to released more video. I don't know if it will ever happens any time soon.

have you read the manga?

Anyway, i wrote this post a couple days ago and since then i have found out some info. Apparently there are RUMORS that a new Berserk series will be released, so i assume it will involve what happens NEXT in the manga.

If you havnt read the manga and want to know some info on what exactly happens to Gatts and Caska here is what i have found out:
Apparently in the manga, a character called Skull Knight came to Gatts when he left the band of the Hawk (bassically when he was gone for a year) and warned him of the eclipse that would happen in a year. Personally i think they should have put that in the series because i thought the "eclipse" thing was really abrupt and out of the blue. If they would have had Skull Knight come in the anime it would have made the eclipse seem...more beleivable maybe? maybe not as sudden i guess.
Anyway, the intro of Skull Knight also would have been good earlier on (when he was introduced in the manga) because Skull Knight saves Caska and Gatts from God Hand (this would probably happen right after where the anime ends) And he is also on a quest to destroy God Hand....sounds like an interesting fellow.

What i am want to know the most though, is what happens to Caska. I think she goes insane from the trauma or something but i dont know for sure.....it will be heartwrenching if she and Gatts never get back together....
Also for anyone who HAS read the manga, does it resolve? try to answer that without any spoilers heh.

[Takahashi]

Sadly I haven't read the manga since it has not been released where I lived, and I can't read japanese.

I have posted several weeks ago on Berserk about what happens to the kids when the bands got attacked in episode 23-24(I don't know the exact episode) by demons. Its seems kinda emotionless why the group whom went to save Griffith did not care about what happens too the kid. Someone who has read the manga told me that he was saved by the Skull knight.They could have made three additional episode IMO to clear a few things up about the end.

[DrZepp]

Originally posted by Titan21
Someone who has read the manga told me that he was saved by the Skull knight.They could have made three additional episode IMO to clear a few things up about the end.

yea i also heard Rickert was saved by Skull Knight, and i am thinking that they are going to cover this with the second series (assuming those rumors are true, and it seems to make sense that they would make another series)
It basically looks like they were trying to make it seem that Rickert was dead, but your right, i found it wierd that the band didnt even care. Do you know where exactly Rickert goes after the Skull Knight saves him? He doesnt seem to be with the hawks before they get sucked into the other dimension or whatever.....I just thought it was odd that they didnt even mention Rickert and what happened to him at the end like you said.

[Drizzten]

:lol:
Great series, yes?

The ending was a shocker, and I apparently have to rewatch the first ep since it chronologically follows after Griffith's choice at the end. At least, that's what the video rental guy said.

Since nothing is revealed about what happenes exactly afterwards, and not even a hint is given to their future plans, I honestly don't know if Caska and Gatts get back together. You'd want them to, but the hard acid aftertaste of watching Berserk wouldn't be as memorable. The Hawks were outnumbered badly and probably more than demoralized after seeing how horribly Griffith was wasted.

[Takahashi]

The ending just doesn't reflect on what the whole serie. Its like I am seeing two different movies. One is about a medieval knight story and another is some demon crap which I don't want to see if the rest of the serie was like that.

[Rulakir]

I thought it was interesting that the first episode went from fighting off demons, then a flashback of all the events that have taken place before that, and then at the very end, we go back to where the series started off.

About Caska, I would like to believe that she lived, but she had the brand on her, which means she would be a sacrifice. Whether she got killed after she got raped is unknown unless specified somewhere else that I don't know of. There is no indication whether she is dead or alive at the end, or in episode 1.

[Takahashi]

But imagine you aren't so open minded towards anime and first impression is all you need to decide if you want to watch an anime serie or not and you don't like demons(Oni) anime. Would you care to watch the next episode?
Me I tried everything that happens to do with anime even some hentai and oni stuff.

[DrZepp]

Originally posted by L
About Caska, I would like to believe that she lived, but she had the brand on her, which means she would be a sacrifice. Whether she got killed after she got raped is unknown unless specified somewhere else that I don't know of. There is no indication whether she is dead or alive at the end, or in episode 1.

Caska does live im pretty sure if they are going by the manga. Her and Gatts are saved from God Hand by the Skull Knight (if you hvnt read my 4th post in this thread go read it) and then Caska has a "demonic child" becase she was raped by Griffith, im pretty sure she lives, but i heard she goes insane or something.

Another little piece of info, in the animes first episode where Gatts is seen being haunted by god hand, is different in the manga. In the manga he is being haunted by Caskas demon son :eek:

[DrZepp]

Originally posted by Titan21
The ending just doesn't reflect on what the whole serie. Its like I am seeing two different movies. One is about a medieval knight story and another is some demon crap which I don't want to see if the rest of the serie was like that.

Yea i agree that the ending was VERY different from the series. At first when they were in the "other dimension" i was sitting there thinking "what the....f*ck?" but after a couple minutes i quickly adjusted, and enjoyed it as i felt my heart being ripped directly from my chest hah.

I guss in a way its like Eva, in that the second half of Eva suddenly obtains this VERY different atmoshpere, a bit darker, and A LOT more depressing. In berserk they do this change, except its just in the last few episodes....i think the TURNING POINT was definately when Gatts left, i look back on that now and realize how important that moment was in that anime. It was the last time we saw Griffith as...well Griffith.
I am almost glad that they didnt get depressing until then though, because it means that we can go back and enjoy more scenes with the characters we love without being heart broken hehe

[Drizzten]

Who thinks Gatts shoulda kept that sword the demon threw to him? While his first certainly had "Gatts" written all over it, the second one was simply too sweet to pass up, IMHO.

[DrZepp]

Originally posted by Drizzten
Who thinks Gatts shoulda kept that sword the demon threw to him? While his first certainly had "Gatts" written all over it, the second one was simply too sweet to pass up, IMHO.

hah indeed. I was actually shocked that his first sword got broken, and i was also wondering what the hell happened to Zodds sword after Gatts used it. With anime and such, it looks like they are always trying to make characters have swords that keep getting bigger, and bigger...and bigger. In Berserk i actually got the FEELING, that that was one heavy ass sword (both of the ones he used) In the first episode where he swings it out.....jesus that was awesome, they did a great job of connecting you to everything in the story along with the sword.

[AnimeWishes]

Man you got problems :lol:

[Takahashi]

The Demon swords was cool, but I think his second(the one in the first episode) was far out the coolest one.

[DrZepp]

Another thing i wanted to bring up, was te relationship between Gatts, Caska, and Griffith. Like i said before, i think these are three of the deepest characters i have ever come across (especially Griffith)
Near the end, when Griffith sort of sees Gatts and Caska embrace, you can pretty much sense his pain i think. My take on Griffith in the end was that when everything was said and done, he wanted everything, but to obtain this he had to destroy what aided him to achieve this almost sefish goal.....*duh* that message was conveyed well in there, he had to pile the bodies of those who helped his dream to actually REACH it. and i was half surprised that he didnt spare anyone, that he was probably aware of the hawks, Caska, and Gatts fate and still chose to become part of god hand. For that, i hated Griffith in the end.

When Gatts left, it revealed another side of Griffith that was hinted at but never fully exposed IMO. What i ask you though, is do you think Griffith hated Gatts?
Ill give my opinion later if no one says anything, this situation where Gatts left i REALLY liked though heh.

[Drizzten]

I don't think Griffith hated Gatts until the end, for the obvious reasons. I see Griffith as viewing Gatts as a particularly useful tool that performs his job without question and with loyalty...exactly the kind of guy Griffith was looking for to help lead the Hawks. All that macho "we understand each other" stuff (IMHO) was a clever trick to fool Gatts into embracing the Hawks further. Heh, what was particularly interesting was that Gatts took that approach a step beyond the other Hawks did...he didn't see himself in Griffith's future because he understood Griffith.

When Gatts walked off...it was just such an amazing scene because he demonstrated his independance after letting the Hawks think he was as latched onto Griffith as everyone else. That freedom, especially after being won honorably, went against everything Griffith wanted. Being able to walk away from his leader, friends, and from Caska didn't seem to weigh much on him at all...and I don't think it's because he didn't care...he certainly did.

[DrZepp]

Originally posted by Drizzten
When Gatts walked off...it was just such an amazing scene because he demonstrated his independance after letting the Hawks think he was as latched onto Griffith as everyone else. That freedom, especially after being won honorably, went against everything Griffith wanted. Being able to walk away from his leader, friends, and from Caska didn't seem to weigh much on him at all...and I don't think it's because he didn't care...he certainly did.

For me the greatest part about that scene waswhen Caska called out for Gatts, while Griffith is just kneeling there in amazement, i dont think because he lost (well maybe) but because Gatts actually gains that "independence"

Gatts arrival i think broke everything in half in the first place. It immediately astranged Corkus a little bit from everyone, at first it tore Griffith away from Caska, and then later on it tore Caska away from Griffith. when Gatts left, not only was Griffith losing his best man (Gatts) he was also losing his best woman (Caska) I think the moment when she called out for Gatts, Griffith realized what had taken form, and that from there EVERYTHING would fall apart. He almost seemed careless when he went to meet Charlotte (sp) this possibly showing the loss of hope within Griffith....do you think if Gatts wouldnt have left, Griffith would have carried through with God Hand?...but then of course it was all pre-determined by fate

[DrZepp]

Originally posted by Drizzten
Heh, what was particularly interesting was that Gatts took that approach a step beyond the other Hawks did...he didn't see himself in Griffith's future because he understood Griffith.

Well stated, that fits PERFECTLY. But its also odd, that i dont know if Gatts would have realized this if he would have not over heard Griffith talking to Chorlotte about his friend being his equal. In the end it seems that perhaps Gatts WAS his friend, but when Gatts made the action that Griffith would have DECLARED him his friend on, he was clearly troubled. This, to me, reveals some insecurities within Griffith, as his first statement contradicts the way he reacted to Gatts leaving.

[Takahashi]

Gatts, knew exactly what Griffith destiny is and is willing to help him full fill it, cause Gatts is also part of that destiny. It is foretold by the immortal demon knight to Gatts when he saw the Behelith on Griff. He also said to Gatts is to walk with this man is to be destined to betrayed by this man. After he overheard Griff talking about the band of Hawks, he still is willing to assasinate every enemy of Griff, why? because he wants to find out what his own destiny is like. The moment he turns away from Griff is the moment that he tried to change destiny(To follow his own destiny), which eventually lead him back to the band of Hawks and Griff.

[DrZepp]

Basically God Hand controlls "fate" right?
Do you know EXACTLY what god hand actually is? If they controll fate, couldnt they forsee Skull Knight saving Gatts and Caska? but that could go into the veiw that fate is determined by the ends not the means so to speak. Like say if Gatts was destined to be killed by god hand, and he was saved by Skull Knight on the eclipse, that was just delaying fate or whatever.
Anyway i need to go back and watch berserk a second time, and try to look for what the specifics of god hand are, because it seemed like they did mention it in there.

[Takahashi]

For the people who haven't read the manga, here is the best site I have found (http://www.skullknight.net/), I have read up till book 7 after the eclipse. Too bad he doesn't have much before the eclipse. From What I have read, even the self proclaimed god(Gods hands) couldn't predict everything, its just something beyond their power.
He has some interresting views Berserk as well.

[Drizzten]

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