About Classes of Saiya-jin

[Yuusuke]

I was wondering about something, and thought I'd ask this list (what little it currently is). Does anyone know what determines the class of a Saiya-jin? (EG., Low class soldier, elite class, etc if there is more) I thought it was power level, but upon recent re-watching of a the Bardock Special, I noticed that even with a power level of about 10,000 (2,000 more than Nappa had, if I remember correctly), Bardock (Goku's real father) was still considered a 'low class soldier.'

[Ko Hakaisha]

Well, I'm not sure on this, but I think it has to do also with their birth. For example, Vegita was prince of the Saiya-jin, so he would be part of the Elite class. Nappa was relitively weak, but since he was Vegita's nurse, he was automatically an elite class member.

[Yuusuke]

Hm, I guess that might make sense. But, then what do you think would happen if a Prince was born with a power level of 2 ^_^;;

[Ko Hakaisha]

He would be just as strong as Master Roshi's turtle! :lol

[Yuusuke]

Or Goku as a baby ;)

[Ko Hakaisha]

Hehe! ^^

I really liked that part when Bulma figured out how to translate that power detector, and she found out that Krillin was stronger than Master Roshi. He was ticked! :)

[Yuusuke]

Heheh, yup. But he pretty much knew that everyone had surpassed him by the 23th (?) Budoukai (the Piccolo vs Goku one).

[Ko Hakaisha]

Yeah. Master Roshi is pretty weak. But I still like how Bulma said 'Turtle, put up your dukes!' That was funny. Just like Gohan in that little tux his mom made him wear when he went to Namek! :)

[Pen2]

But how much did that bowl-cut suck? I liked his old Gi, with Piccolo's symbol on it.


And on the original topic, the power levels in "past events" like the Bardock special seem to be stuffed up a little. I think the class of a Saiyajin is based on their power level at birth. Bardock rejected Goku with his Power Level of 2, and Vegita would have had a couple of thousand at birth, judging by his power as a child, and he's classed as a 'Super Elite'

[Ko Hakaisha]

Hehe! ^^

Yeah, I think it's often based on their birth, social ranking, AND power level.

[Atomic]

[possible spoilers]
what's freeza's power level? i was just wondering, if goku had a power level of 180,000 and used a kaoken attack x100. wouldn't that put him higher thatn frezza?

if freeza has killed all the nameks left (except guru,nail and dende), but does end up killing nail. doesn't that mean freeza might not be able to wish for immortality? because of guru and dende are the only nameks left, and freeza kills guru. then he's got no dragonballs, but if he asks guru for the password, and he refuses to tell, then freeza is stuck. because dende doesn't know the password does he?
[end possible spoilers]

[Yuusuke]

Hm, that makes sense, Pen2. I wonder what Brolly woulda been counted as then (had he not been 'killed', he had a 10,000 powerlevel at birth).
Oh, and Goku with a powerlevel (after being healed in the Freeza saga), with Kaiou-ken x20 could take on half of Freeza's full power.
(edited to answer things that were edited to the last post. Freeza's power level max is 12,000,000. The password for the Namek Dragonballs is the same thing as the Earth Dragonballs, so to speak. Note: For the Earth Dragonballs, you have to say 'Ideo, Shenlon', which should translate, if my spelling is right, to 'I summon you, Shenlon.' With the Namek Dragonballs, you need to know the Namek-sei-jin language to make the wish, and also, I believe the password was the dragons name, Porunga)
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[Edited by Yuusuke on 29-06-2000 at 01:35 PM]

[Ko Hakaisha]

Atomic, you might wanna put that under a spoiler tag.

[Atomic]

Originally posted by Ko Hakaisha
Atomic, you might wanna put that under a spoiler tag.
Just for Ko :D
Dude is this thread ever old :D

[Yuusuke]

. . . ::blink:: . . 'Yep, that was really. . . . odd. . . ** . . . . .

[hypergohan]

Originally posted by Commander Atomic
[possible spoilers]
what's freeza's power level? i was just wondering, if goku had a power level of 180,000 and used a kaoken attack x100. wouldn't that put him higher thatn frezza?

if freeza has killed all the nameks left (except guru,nail and dende), but does end up killing nail. doesn't that mean freeza might not be able to wish for immortality? because of guru and dende are the only nameks left, and freeza kills guru. then he's got no dragonballs, but if he asks guru for the password, and he refuses to tell, then freeza is stuck. because dende doesn't know the password does he?
[end possible spoilers]

well freeza's power level was about one million after his first transformation. i don't think they stated any "numerical" PL after that.

and, i think DOES know the password. remember, vegeta kept beating him up for it? and he doesn't kill nail or guru. nail fuses with piccolo while he's still alive, and guru just dies because of the depression to see all his children die. and freeza didn't know that guru's death meant the death to the DB's. though nail told him, i don't think he believed him.

[deadpepper]

I think the Saiyajin ranks depend on the parents. If the parents were high ranking, then their children would also be high ranking.

If I remember correctly, all Nameck-jin know the "password".

[HolyWhippet]

There wasn't a password per se, you just had to speak to the dragon in the Namekian language and had to know the dragons name.

Which was something very odd about DBZ, Freeza didn't know the Namekian language. The Namekian's knew his language though which apparently was the same language we know since Freeza could talk to any Earthlings without any problems. For that matter, was Namekian just a load of gibberish ? During the World Martial Arts tournament in Dragonball when Picollo is about to fight Kame they have a conversation in Namekian for a short while.

[deadpepper]

I was just wondering: Could Bulma summon Polunga? She has learned "Nameckian".

(Hey, it's actually the first time I ask a Dragon Ball related question!)

[Gundammi!]

I've been always under this impression. From the start of the Saiyans existense, there were those that were stronger than others (for natural reasons), they rose up and became the leaders (Vegeta's family). Those who were weaker would be like Goku's family. I bet Bardock was proubly born with a ki of around 2 or something, therefore he passed it on to Goku.

[Foxxe]

Should Broli's rank be higher since he was born with a 10,000 ki rating?

[Atomic]

where did you pull that from?

[hypergohan]

Originally posted by Gundammi!
I've been always under this impression. From the start of the Saiyans existense, there were those that were stronger than others (for natural reasons), they rose up and became the leaders (Vegeta's family). Those who were weaker would be like Goku's family. I bet Bardock was proubly born with a ki of around 2 or something, therefore he passed it on to Goku.

naaah... if they (bardock and other like him) did have 2, then they would've been send to a "distant glaxies, where they do not possess the threat from out enemies" (quote from King Vegeta)

[Foxxe]

I was just followinf Gundammi's train of thought that rank was power dependent. I guess it might be ludicrous afterall.

[Gogeta]

I thought it was cool when goku went SSJ then When i saw trunks for the first time go SSJ but when Vegita and gohan go SSJ it gets OLD......They say SSJ's are rare :rolleyes: Nottice how many there are Trunks Chibi-trunks Goten Gogeta Vegetto Vegita Goku Gohan Gotenks Goku JR Vegita JR........Then most of these people surpase SSJ now its just lame to even think about SSJ its toooooo old and please if you have other feelings let me know

[Gundammi!]

Originally posted by Foxxe
Should Broli's rank be higher since he was born with a 10,000 ki rating?

I was always under the impression that Brolli was a freak. There is such a thing as TOO much power... And on Bardock being sent away. Yeah of course he was, bvut he came back. How do you think they confirm he eliminated the life froms on the planet? Raditz,went back to Vegeta when he finished his birth assignments right? Or did he just stay on a lifeless death-ball his whole life?

[Foxxe]

Oh Yeah. What ever did happen to Raditz. No planet no home. Maybe he took refuge in another planet.

[Gogeta]

Can brolli really be born with a power level that high? I mean when goku ad Turles fought gokus PL was only 8,000 And goku was said to strongest.


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[hypergohan]

Originally posted by Foxxe
Oh Yeah. What ever did happen to Raditz. No planet no home. Maybe he took refuge in another planet.

uh... he died. :confused: so why would he need a home?? :confused: well except hell. :p

[deadpepper]

Originally posted by hypergohan


uh... he died. :confused: so why would he need a home?? :confused: well except hell. :p

I guess Foxxe meant to ask "What happened to Raditz after the destruction of Vegita-sei and before he meets Goku again?"

All that we know is that he rejoined Vegita and Nappa and continued blindly serving Freezer, attacking and wiping out other civilizations. The three didn't always stay together. They went on different missions accepting offers made to them.

[Gundammi!]

I think that Radiz wasn't always in contact with Vegeta and Nappa. His power level was so low (1,200) compared to theirs that they just said "Go whipe out those guys, I'm taking a nap...". Nappa and Vegeta stayed together since Nappa was Vegeta's bodyguard (did he really need one? He killed Nappa after all.) and Raditz went off and did his thing. I would assume they got together for espescially tough missions though.