eva2000
01-07-00, 05:29 AM
3foolishmen
EVA-Pilot
(5/7/00 9:16:48 am)
168.122.16.55
Reply | Edit | Del All Core
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What exactly is this? I used to be under the impression that the core was the same as an S^2 Engine, and that they provide angels and Eva units with power, but apparently they are different.
My question is: How is it different from an S^2 Engine? As far as the series is concerned, we're told that Nerv encounters the first specimen after Shinji disables the 4th angel in Unit 01. Supposedly this core is implanted into Unit 04, which is lost along with the U.S. branch of Nerv in an activation experiment.
Then again, some of the Eva units already have them. Right before Rei self-destructs with the 16th angel, Maya says something like, "Unit 00's core is going to collapse."(So Unit 00 did have a core all along.) I think I can safely assume that the core does not provide a source of energy, since Unit 00 cannot operate without an external power source(in the tests in which Unit 00 goes zerk, it shuts down after the plug is pulled.) So Unit 00 has a core, but it's not an energy source.
Unit 01 also has a core, as the 14th(?) angels peels off its breastguard and starts hammering away at it. But then, Unit 01 ~!is!~ able to operate, and even goes on to eat the angel's heart out in order to ingest the angel's S^2 Engine. But then, if Unit 01 can already operate without an S^2 Engine, then why does it need it as a power source? Doesn't make sense to me.
Can someone explain what the difference between an angel's core and the Eva units' cores is? Where do the S^2 Engines come in?
Capt Jake
EVA-Pilot
(5/7/00 10:15:30 am)
207.61.115.39
Reply | Edit | Del Eva guru to da core!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
very good question posed there. Well the thing with the S2 organs is that since an Eva is cloned from Adam the core would of gone with it as well. These cores were just inactive. Unit-01 had it's core all along but it's core wasn't online untill it was "awakened". Perhaps the Eva's didn't have complete cores and by eating the angels' matter it assimilated it into itself in the form of an S2 organ or core much like it did with Zeruel's arm(?). Or maybe the Eva's were created without them and were generating cores the whole time. Maybe everytime that an Eva goes berzerk it generates a part if not the entire core. Notice how the only Eva's which we have evidence of having cores are the one's who berzerked. An S2 engine tries to mimic what an S2 core does but apparantly they haven't perfected the technology when they tried to install it into Unit-04 as was shown by the big kaboom which totalled everything but Unit-03. The whole point to an S2 core or engine is to create energy from nothing or something along those lines. I hope that this was helpful.
Access
NERV-Technician
(5/7/00 12:00:04 pm)
203.21.78.66
Reply | Edit | Del
Re: Eva guru to da core!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well my unnderstanding of the core is it is totally differnt to the S2 engine. The pilots entry plug gets inserted into the core of the EVA. All EVA's possess a core and so do all Angels, only on some it is visible. The core it self is exactly what it sounds like, the core of the EVA the most important bit, that is why the pilot is sent their probably because has a direct link with the EVA. In EoE the core of all the EVA's were used to bring about 3rd impact by sticking the lances through their own core.
The core just seems to be the centre of the EVA, and if destroyed would render the EVA completely useless. Thats why all the angels were destriyed when there core was destroyed. It was not their S2 engine, the actually S2 organ was never shown in the series, by destorying the Core the whole angel or EVA is rendered useless, thats why Zareial the 14th angel targeted Unit-01 core. Because a new EVA would need to be grown, cloned, made (whatever).
Access
3foolishmen
EVA-Pilot
(5/7/00 2:00:55 pm)
168.122.16.137
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Core
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You all sure that ALL Evas have a core? Or had a core from the beginning? I can't verify because I lent out the series to a friend, but I think at one point Misato is surprised to see a core in Unit 01, despite seeing it earlier without one when the diamond-like angel(5th?) fries a hole in Unit 01's chest.
Cap'n, your comments leave a lot of questions. Did the Units have cores from the beginning or not? Now that I think about it, just because Unit 00 had a core in the thrid from last episode doesn't mean it was made with one at the beginning. Like said above, it seems like a core is installed into Unit 01 some unspecified time at least after the 5th angel's attack. Maybe a core was replicated from the 4th angel's, and Nerv later secretly installed these in Units 00 and 01, for reasons unknown. To me, at least.
On the other hand, I find Access' interpretation that a core "just seems to be the centre of the EVA, and if destroyed would render the EVA completely useless", intuitively satisfying, although there's no support for this except that angels do cease activity after their cores are 'broken'. But then again, describing them don't explain them.
Ordog
NERV-Technician
(5/7/00 2:51:01 pm)
203.59.4.5
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Core
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I think that the eva's had core's in the beginning its just that it couldn't be used effectively. Its much like regenarating, the eva knows how to regenerate and use its core the pilot does not. Shinji doesn't regenerate any parts of the eva that are torn off, however, the eva does when its berserk.
so what I am trying to say is that a great deal of knowledge is needed to take advantage of the core as well as regenerating, the only people with this knowledge is the eva and angels. I hope you follow
Access
NERV-Technician
(5/7/00 3:23:43 pm)
203.21.78.66
Reply | Edit | Del
Re: Core
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I think I found a better way to describe the Core the heart, the heart of the EVA, were the soul recides, where the AT field source comes from, I just think it is the centre of the entire EVA, the majority of the Angels had a core seen, exacmples such as Ramiel who is a giant Dimond, would look strange with a round part sticking out of it, so I believe it just wasnt. Well I believe all the EVA's have them, the EVA series certainly had them, and Unit-01 had one.
The pilot is actually inserted into the core. 3Foolishmen you said your self over ICQ that Shinji returned to reality from the Core of Unit01 when he had the 400% sinc ratio. When Unit-01 was being attacked by Zeruel the plug started to crack when he used his viens to attack the core, hence the pilot is inserted into the core. So I just assume all the Other EVA's wouldn't be any differnt, they are all inserted into the core, the heart of the eva or said by Rei "Throne of the Soul" the EVA's soul, the soul of the once human recideing within.
Access
A T h 401
EVA-Pilot
(5/7/00 11:41:26 pm)
203.21.47.3
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Core
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
My opinion was said else where some time ago.
The Eva's being clones of Adam/Lilith
will share their phenotype and thus has the red core,
BUT this is not the active core of the angels, It is the holding thingy of it, perhaps the hard protective covering (though the 14th angel gets an N2 mine to it and it closes it over with some white stuff- but the angels were getting smarter and more advanced)
So the S2 organ was not replicated but its remnents are still to be sen in the Eva's. This does not rule out that Nerv put the Core to good use, by using it as the housing of the entry plug, and that the core still maintains some critical functions of the Eva serise
ATh
Access
NERV-Technician
(5/8/00 12:05:49 am)
203.21.78.66
Reply | Edit | Del
Re: Core
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ATh made a good point about it being the casing, I also believe everything ATh just said. Thanks.
Access
fasad
EVA-Pilot
(5/8/00 3:26:30 am)
203.23.145.163
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Core
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
i've always thought of the s2 unit as "soul sphere" (before the series mentioned super solenoid), as this seems to be the "heart" of the angels, as access said, and it appears to a red sphere.
i think the cores of the evas are the same, or at least very similar to the s2units/cores of the angels. the energy for the eva to move comes from the core, not the cord. the evas use the power cord to connect the pilots to the core, which needs a "soul" to run the eva. the only time the evas run unpowered is when the implanted soul takes over (yui and akagi...).
as for the 4th eva and unit 01 eating the s2 unit, i dunno. maybey the cloned evas cores are somehow flawed due to the human intervention. the s2 engine is a somehow better (natural) link between the eva and the pilot which needs no external power???
i just thought this up now - its not a good explaination. i don't really think the technicalities of the eva/angel cores is all that important in the context of nge, and hence the question has no answer. the inconsistancies are a result of the evolution of the plot during production and the writers being focused on more important things. nge is *not* perfect.
Edited by fasad at: 5/8/00 3:26:30 am
3foolishmen
EVA-Pilot
(5/8/00 9:21:35 am)
168.122.16.137
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Core
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"i don't really think the technicalities of the eva/angel cores is all that important in the context of nge, and hence the question has no answer."
Ouch. Make an inch a foot, take that argument to the extreme, and then you'll debase all arguments and theories anybody has ever come up about the series. I'd prefer to think that all the hints of effort, time and quality put into the series are good testimony that most, if not all, of the aspects are indeed thought out beforehand. I do admit that the series is not perfect, though.
Access
NERV-Technician
(5/8/00 4:26:15 pm)
203.21.78.66
Reply | Edit | Del
Re: Core
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
fasad has a point though, on some of the things, their IS only so far we can take an annalysis of the Core of the EVA, Anno did put heaps of reserach and thought into EVA but their is also a limit that he reaches. As I said before, some of the things science cannot explain because it just envolves thinkgs like faith and divine capabilities of God. Something mystical, EVA is relgious and scientfic, it has a good balance between these conflicitng oppions, but not everything on one side can describe the other side.
Access
The Nondescript
EVA-Pilot
(5/8/00 6:17:27 pm)
129.127.222.6
Reply | Edit | Del Hard Core
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is where imagination and extrapolation come in I reckon.
You know how Trekkies waste time trying to understand the physics of the Tachyon beams
used to shoot Capt Kirk or whatever? Since these beams are not in our world why try to make up physics to accompany them?
And Ordog you know this place is non-smoking.....Put it out!!
EVA-Pilot
(5/7/00 9:16:48 am)
168.122.16.55
Reply | Edit | Del All Core
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What exactly is this? I used to be under the impression that the core was the same as an S^2 Engine, and that they provide angels and Eva units with power, but apparently they are different.
My question is: How is it different from an S^2 Engine? As far as the series is concerned, we're told that Nerv encounters the first specimen after Shinji disables the 4th angel in Unit 01. Supposedly this core is implanted into Unit 04, which is lost along with the U.S. branch of Nerv in an activation experiment.
Then again, some of the Eva units already have them. Right before Rei self-destructs with the 16th angel, Maya says something like, "Unit 00's core is going to collapse."(So Unit 00 did have a core all along.) I think I can safely assume that the core does not provide a source of energy, since Unit 00 cannot operate without an external power source(in the tests in which Unit 00 goes zerk, it shuts down after the plug is pulled.) So Unit 00 has a core, but it's not an energy source.
Unit 01 also has a core, as the 14th(?) angels peels off its breastguard and starts hammering away at it. But then, Unit 01 ~!is!~ able to operate, and even goes on to eat the angel's heart out in order to ingest the angel's S^2 Engine. But then, if Unit 01 can already operate without an S^2 Engine, then why does it need it as a power source? Doesn't make sense to me.
Can someone explain what the difference between an angel's core and the Eva units' cores is? Where do the S^2 Engines come in?
Capt Jake
EVA-Pilot
(5/7/00 10:15:30 am)
207.61.115.39
Reply | Edit | Del Eva guru to da core!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
very good question posed there. Well the thing with the S2 organs is that since an Eva is cloned from Adam the core would of gone with it as well. These cores were just inactive. Unit-01 had it's core all along but it's core wasn't online untill it was "awakened". Perhaps the Eva's didn't have complete cores and by eating the angels' matter it assimilated it into itself in the form of an S2 organ or core much like it did with Zeruel's arm(?). Or maybe the Eva's were created without them and were generating cores the whole time. Maybe everytime that an Eva goes berzerk it generates a part if not the entire core. Notice how the only Eva's which we have evidence of having cores are the one's who berzerked. An S2 engine tries to mimic what an S2 core does but apparantly they haven't perfected the technology when they tried to install it into Unit-04 as was shown by the big kaboom which totalled everything but Unit-03. The whole point to an S2 core or engine is to create energy from nothing or something along those lines. I hope that this was helpful.
Access
NERV-Technician
(5/7/00 12:00:04 pm)
203.21.78.66
Reply | Edit | Del
Re: Eva guru to da core!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well my unnderstanding of the core is it is totally differnt to the S2 engine. The pilots entry plug gets inserted into the core of the EVA. All EVA's possess a core and so do all Angels, only on some it is visible. The core it self is exactly what it sounds like, the core of the EVA the most important bit, that is why the pilot is sent their probably because has a direct link with the EVA. In EoE the core of all the EVA's were used to bring about 3rd impact by sticking the lances through their own core.
The core just seems to be the centre of the EVA, and if destroyed would render the EVA completely useless. Thats why all the angels were destriyed when there core was destroyed. It was not their S2 engine, the actually S2 organ was never shown in the series, by destorying the Core the whole angel or EVA is rendered useless, thats why Zareial the 14th angel targeted Unit-01 core. Because a new EVA would need to be grown, cloned, made (whatever).
Access
3foolishmen
EVA-Pilot
(5/7/00 2:00:55 pm)
168.122.16.137
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Core
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You all sure that ALL Evas have a core? Or had a core from the beginning? I can't verify because I lent out the series to a friend, but I think at one point Misato is surprised to see a core in Unit 01, despite seeing it earlier without one when the diamond-like angel(5th?) fries a hole in Unit 01's chest.
Cap'n, your comments leave a lot of questions. Did the Units have cores from the beginning or not? Now that I think about it, just because Unit 00 had a core in the thrid from last episode doesn't mean it was made with one at the beginning. Like said above, it seems like a core is installed into Unit 01 some unspecified time at least after the 5th angel's attack. Maybe a core was replicated from the 4th angel's, and Nerv later secretly installed these in Units 00 and 01, for reasons unknown. To me, at least.
On the other hand, I find Access' interpretation that a core "just seems to be the centre of the EVA, and if destroyed would render the EVA completely useless", intuitively satisfying, although there's no support for this except that angels do cease activity after their cores are 'broken'. But then again, describing them don't explain them.
Ordog
NERV-Technician
(5/7/00 2:51:01 pm)
203.59.4.5
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Core
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I think that the eva's had core's in the beginning its just that it couldn't be used effectively. Its much like regenarating, the eva knows how to regenerate and use its core the pilot does not. Shinji doesn't regenerate any parts of the eva that are torn off, however, the eva does when its berserk.
so what I am trying to say is that a great deal of knowledge is needed to take advantage of the core as well as regenerating, the only people with this knowledge is the eva and angels. I hope you follow
Access
NERV-Technician
(5/7/00 3:23:43 pm)
203.21.78.66
Reply | Edit | Del
Re: Core
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I think I found a better way to describe the Core the heart, the heart of the EVA, were the soul recides, where the AT field source comes from, I just think it is the centre of the entire EVA, the majority of the Angels had a core seen, exacmples such as Ramiel who is a giant Dimond, would look strange with a round part sticking out of it, so I believe it just wasnt. Well I believe all the EVA's have them, the EVA series certainly had them, and Unit-01 had one.
The pilot is actually inserted into the core. 3Foolishmen you said your self over ICQ that Shinji returned to reality from the Core of Unit01 when he had the 400% sinc ratio. When Unit-01 was being attacked by Zeruel the plug started to crack when he used his viens to attack the core, hence the pilot is inserted into the core. So I just assume all the Other EVA's wouldn't be any differnt, they are all inserted into the core, the heart of the eva or said by Rei "Throne of the Soul" the EVA's soul, the soul of the once human recideing within.
Access
A T h 401
EVA-Pilot
(5/7/00 11:41:26 pm)
203.21.47.3
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Core
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
My opinion was said else where some time ago.
The Eva's being clones of Adam/Lilith
will share their phenotype and thus has the red core,
BUT this is not the active core of the angels, It is the holding thingy of it, perhaps the hard protective covering (though the 14th angel gets an N2 mine to it and it closes it over with some white stuff- but the angels were getting smarter and more advanced)
So the S2 organ was not replicated but its remnents are still to be sen in the Eva's. This does not rule out that Nerv put the Core to good use, by using it as the housing of the entry plug, and that the core still maintains some critical functions of the Eva serise
ATh
Access
NERV-Technician
(5/8/00 12:05:49 am)
203.21.78.66
Reply | Edit | Del
Re: Core
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ATh made a good point about it being the casing, I also believe everything ATh just said. Thanks.
Access
fasad
EVA-Pilot
(5/8/00 3:26:30 am)
203.23.145.163
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Core
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
i've always thought of the s2 unit as "soul sphere" (before the series mentioned super solenoid), as this seems to be the "heart" of the angels, as access said, and it appears to a red sphere.
i think the cores of the evas are the same, or at least very similar to the s2units/cores of the angels. the energy for the eva to move comes from the core, not the cord. the evas use the power cord to connect the pilots to the core, which needs a "soul" to run the eva. the only time the evas run unpowered is when the implanted soul takes over (yui and akagi...).
as for the 4th eva and unit 01 eating the s2 unit, i dunno. maybey the cloned evas cores are somehow flawed due to the human intervention. the s2 engine is a somehow better (natural) link between the eva and the pilot which needs no external power???
i just thought this up now - its not a good explaination. i don't really think the technicalities of the eva/angel cores is all that important in the context of nge, and hence the question has no answer. the inconsistancies are a result of the evolution of the plot during production and the writers being focused on more important things. nge is *not* perfect.
Edited by fasad at: 5/8/00 3:26:30 am
3foolishmen
EVA-Pilot
(5/8/00 9:21:35 am)
168.122.16.137
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Core
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"i don't really think the technicalities of the eva/angel cores is all that important in the context of nge, and hence the question has no answer."
Ouch. Make an inch a foot, take that argument to the extreme, and then you'll debase all arguments and theories anybody has ever come up about the series. I'd prefer to think that all the hints of effort, time and quality put into the series are good testimony that most, if not all, of the aspects are indeed thought out beforehand. I do admit that the series is not perfect, though.
Access
NERV-Technician
(5/8/00 4:26:15 pm)
203.21.78.66
Reply | Edit | Del
Re: Core
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
fasad has a point though, on some of the things, their IS only so far we can take an annalysis of the Core of the EVA, Anno did put heaps of reserach and thought into EVA but their is also a limit that he reaches. As I said before, some of the things science cannot explain because it just envolves thinkgs like faith and divine capabilities of God. Something mystical, EVA is relgious and scientfic, it has a good balance between these conflicitng oppions, but not everything on one side can describe the other side.
Access
The Nondescript
EVA-Pilot
(5/8/00 6:17:27 pm)
129.127.222.6
Reply | Edit | Del Hard Core
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is where imagination and extrapolation come in I reckon.
You know how Trekkies waste time trying to understand the physics of the Tachyon beams
used to shoot Capt Kirk or whatever? Since these beams are not in our world why try to make up physics to accompany them?
And Ordog you know this place is non-smoking.....Put it out!!