And so it ends ....(*spoilers* -- of course)

[KamuiX]

Indeed, now I've seen all of Nadesico and I must say that I was terribly dissapointed with the ending. Talk about rushed. There was way too many things trying to be squeezed into the last episode, and the story had so many problems that I'm not sure what to think of the series. I think Akito was trying to give advice when he said he'd never watched the last episode of Gekiganger, because he wasn't sure if he'd feel for the entire series. Well, I should've listened ...

My biggest problems:

WAY too many contradictions. One minute Akito and Akatsuki are fighting and the next working their way together down to the core of the alien relic. You do not go from wanting to rip each other's throats out to being best friends, especially since Akito knows the truth about Akatsuki's parents assasination of his parents. Add the 30 minute pause of the Jovians in the final battle (We're here to take back the most important thing to us, but um ...take a breather. They were there to destroy the Earthlings, why pause even for a second, especially when they had the upper hand?) Also, why didn't Akito just bozan jump to get Inez? For some reason he had to pass through all the layers of the distortion fields, which made zero sense ...

Too many unexplained events. Okay, sure there says you'll find out in the continuation about all the unexplained, but ...??? Will there ever be a continuation other than the movie? There were enough strange things happening to easily create another season ...but at the very least a lot of loose ends should've been tied up.

Bozan jumping is actually time travel. This creates HUGE problems for the series. (Anyone who died could easily be saved, yet it looked like nobody was going to attempt it.) And why is it sometimes a chulip is needed, while other times it's not?


Well, I have other problems but I'm tired of typing :heh: I just hope A LOT of stuff is explained in the movie. My last problem I have to say is the DVD; ADV did a POOR job considering it's the last disc in the series? There wasn't anything extra on the disk at all - how weak is that?

So what's your thoughts? Agree? :D Disagree? :sweatdrop


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Ah! My Goddess
Akira (newly released version - duh!)
Cowboy Bebop
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Rurouni Kenshin TV series
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[Eddy]

You're lucky you can get the DVD at all. All we have in Britain is the VHS'S.

[Tenkawa]

Okay, I've been avoiding this thread until I actually saw the last disc. But, in general I would agree with you that the ending was a bit rushed. That said, I still think it was a good anime and worth seeing as its one of a few that I can actually watch over again enjoyably (the others being Tenchi, El Hazard, & Ranma OAV).

that said, here's another couple of questions for you (and please note I haven't seen the movie yet).

1) When does a bosom jump trigger time travel? I mean, if the user decides where (and presumably when) they go somewhere how the heck did Ai end up 20 yrs in the past?

2) How the heck did the Admiral survive the bosom jump, he isn't a martian and just cause he's ridding that stupid machine doesn't explain it.

3) Why does Inez tell Akito to kiss Yurika in the end? It sort of screws with the whole love octogon if one person seemingly conceeds (though Ryoko kind of does too by telling Akito to trust Yurika).

Anyhoo, I guess I'll have to go watch the whole thing again to go figure this out. That said, it'll be fun so its not like watching Lain all over again just to sift through all the symbolism (which I personally just don't appreciate).

[KamuiX]

Sorry, took forever to get back to here ...wasn't on the net all weekend :heh:

Anyways, erm ...well, about the DVD Eddy, you could always import it, right? And I only complain because for a series that ADV claims to be bigger than EVA they treat it with very little respect. Even Gasaraki has extra features ...I would've been happy if I just got the trailer to the movie, but nope, nothing. Oh well, nothing I can do about it ...*sigh*

I must admit though, now that I've watched the disc a few more times I'm a bit happier with it. I think I just had my expectations way too high. There are some cool scenes (cels of which I'd sell my truck for ...lol :lol: ), and overall it does close the series somewhat. Basically I like it, I just want more :D

As for your questions, Tenkawa, here's what I think:

1) When does a bosom jump trigger time travel? I mean, if the user decides where (and presumably when) they go somewhere how the heck did Ai end up 20 yrs in the past?
Bozan jumping is supposedly always time traveling. When Inez was explaining the physics behind it, basically anything can time travel so long as it uses the partical to move against the retarded wave - That way any object/person can move through and appear at any point in time. Ai got lost the first time because she wasn't suppose to jump, but because she was near Akito's field she was thrown through time and appeared way in the past. When she traveled back to the future and appeared in the desert it could've been a plot of the ancients (It was Inez that helped design/create the Nadesico and helped find the ruins) or the jump didn't go as planned. Jumping doesn't always work well if the user doesn't completely understand it, and Ai was still very young.

2) How the heck did the Admiral survive the bosom jump, he isn't a martian and just cause he's ridding that stupid machine doesn't explain it.
He actually didn't jump, when the Nadesico landed inside the ancient artifact Inez found him and brought him on board. Everyone thought he had killed himself protecting the Nadesico's escape months earlier, but actually was being kept as a POW, which was odd.

3) Why does Inez tell Akito to kiss Yurika in the end? It sort of screws with the whole love octogon if one person seemingly conceeds (though Ryoko kind of does too by telling Akito to trust Yurika).
I thought this was a bit strange too, but I think Inez looks at Akito more as a father type than someone to be in a relationship with. Also, basically everyone was in a "he's going to be with Yurika, even he better admit it" kind of state. (Both Ryoko and Erina hit him for trying to deny his feelings for Yurika.) However, the way it was done added to the rushed feeling of the last episode ... :sweatdrop


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Very sw33t dubs:
Ah! My Goddess
Akira (newly released version - duh!)
Cowboy Bebop
Macross Plus
Rurouni Kenshin TV series
More to be added ...

[Ryoma]

Indeed, now I've seen all of Nadesico and I must say that I was terribly dissapointed with the ending. Talk about rushed. There was way too many things trying to be squeezed into the last episode, and the story had so many problems that I'm not sure what to think of the series. I think Akito was trying to give advice when he said he'd never watched the last episode of Gekiganger, because he wasn't sure if he'd feel for the entire series. Well, I should've listened ...

You must have got the final DVD about the same time as me... :)
I personally loved the ending, but I have to agree there are some points that were rushed and some things not explained...and I do think that Akito's advice on never watching the last episode of a series is very fitting. Think about if you never watched the last eps of Eva or Lain or Gunbuster or just about any anime you might have seen. Your views toward the series would be quite different, some good, some bad, but different. I think it might be the realization that something is over...and that empty feeling. I don't know.


WAY too many contradictions.
One minute Akito and Akatsuki are fighting and the next working their way together down to the core of the alien relic. You do not go from wanting to rip each other's throats out to being best friends, especially since Akito knows the truth about Akatsuki's parents assasination of his parents. Add the 30 minute pause of the Jovians in the final battle (We're here to take back the most important thing to us, but um ...take a breather. They were there to destroy the Earthlings, why pause even for a second, especially when they had the upper hand?) Also, why didn't Akito just bozan jump to get Inez? For some reason he had to pass through all the layers of the distortion fields, which made zero sense ...

Let me present my thoughts, although I have only watched the last disk once, I am 1/2 way through a second viewing...
Akito is fighting Akatsuki because he is trying to destroy the alien boson control device and Akatsuki is trying to stop him. Akito believes that once the object of the fighting is over, then the war will end. Akatsuki wants to save the control device for Nergal. Yes, Akito's parents motivated him at first, but I really think the only thing that mattered was ending the war...
The 30 min pause was to give the Earthlings a chance to surrender. Remember the Jovians wanted the boson control device for themselves and didn't want to risk losing it in a battle. The Nadesico had moved into the ruins and the Jovian commander said that he didn't want to risk damaging it in the battle, that's why he didn't attack...:)
As for him not boson jumping, I don't know, except to say if he did just start boson jumping around, it would have destroyed the tension building up at that moment. I personally have no problem with it, consider it a plot device...

Too many unexplained events.
Okay, sure there says you'll find out in the continuation about all the unexplained, but ...??? Will there ever be a continuation other than the movie? There were enough strange things happening to easily create another season ...but at the very least a lot of loose ends should've been tied up.

I sure hope there is a continuation, but I think they purposely left some things unexplained like the relic that Inez is given by Ai to give fans something to talk about, a la Evangelion (Who shot Kaji? for example)

Bozan jumping is actually time travel.
This creates HUGE problems for the series. (Anyone who died could easily be saved, yet it looked like nobody was going to attempt it.) And why is it sometimes a chulip is needed, while other times it's not?

Well, Akito and Yurika did discuss this exact thing at the end. Since the boson control device existed over all time, if it was destroyed in the present, it would also be destroyed in the past, thus the entire history would be rewritten. There would be no war, the people would not have died, ect. But they all agreed that to destroy the past would also eliminate the memories of everyone and everything that happened in each of their lives. They decided that the memories were too important to give up, even if it meant that the war would continue and history would not be changed. I actually thought this was a very moving and noble thing to do...and I really liked how that part ended.

Well, I have other problems but I'm tired of typing :heh: I just hope A LOT of stuff is explained in the movie. My last problem I have to say is the DVD; ADV did a POOR job considering it's the last disc in the series? There wasn't anything extra on the disk at all - how weak is that?

Couldn't agree more, ADV really blew it on this one. For the last disk in a series they should have done something...well they did the same thing to Eva, so what should we expect.

As for the kiss at the end, Inez at first came up with a ridicuous reason, and then explained that it was what they both wanted. I thought it was cool, I mean sure there was SORT of a love...hexagon?...but come on, EVERYONE knew it would be Akito and Yurika in the end. I liked the way they put that part of the series to rest. (And if you have seen the Gekiganger OVA, the ending of that provides answers to the next step in there relationship...)

Ok ADV, redeem yourselves with a GREAT and QUICK release of Prince of Darkness. :)

And here's hoping that someday there will be a Nadesico 2. (Hey, if Gainax can do a Gunbuster 2, then there is still a chance.)