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Constantine Dragomirov
11-09-01, 11:27 PM
Just recently I've watched FLCL, and was delighted to see another wonderfully crafted puzzle of a show by the Gainax luremasters. Furi Kuri has almost as much content as Evangelion, IMO, and due to the drastically lesser airtime it is even harder to comprehend, especially without the movie to sort things out.

One good thing (or bad, depends) is that FLCL does not seem to rely so heavily on external information, which was the case with Kabbalistic and Jungian thematics in Eva; thus making the task of solving this puzzle somewhat easier.

Admittedly, I'm far from having completely figured out this show. Just scraped the surface, probably, but was anxious to get some external opinion (besides that of my fellow otaku here in Moscow). The FLCL sites don't offer much info on this matter, and thus I came to the board.

I decided to start this thread because all others seem too shallow, dealing with separate aspects rather than focusing on the big picture.

I'll begin by presenting some observations/conclusions I made; they might not be really original (though I tried to avoid the mundane), but serve as a foundation. Sorry for the rather chaotic layout, I haven't got time to write a well-versed essay, so this is only a list of observations with some conclusions.

The general idea

FLCL is about the struggle between reason and emotion.

I suppose it's fairly obvious that the main metaphore of FLCL is the sexual relationship. More of a Freudian color to it.

1. HORNS are a Freudistic symbol of libido, expressing one's sexual desires.

2. The horns appear from a sort of sexual innuendo by a person of opposite sex.

3. The horns "burst" when there's a person of opposite sex present, and generally when there's a sort of sexual tension.

4. The guitars being taken out of heads are representations of active libido (proved by acute nosebleeding of female staff).

Thus, just like the MM Factory, they're exactly what they look like.

Another theme is that of "everyday boring life" (represented by Mabase), "new and exciting stuff" (e.g. Haruko), and "foreign intrusion" (Medical Mechanica).

A town with no place to go (Ep6) = Endsville; "Candid" (both Medical Mechanica and Atomsk) attempts to burn it down.

The characters & their role

I won't touch Naota or Haruko for now; other characters are just as interesting and are key to many of the more concealed layers of FLCL

0. Tasuku

He left when the MM Factory appeared. The factory reportedly imprisons Atomsk. Haruko's swing reminds Naota of his bro. Naota has a connection to Atomsk's power when he thinks of his bro. All this and some other things brought me to the conclusion that Tasuku is Atomsk. And the "Blond gal" he got in "America" is actually Haruko.

Atomsk has this metallic ring in his nose/beak that attracts Haruko's bracelet. Does this mean they're engaged?

BTW, Atomsk means "Atom city" in Russian.

1. Mamimi

Her smoking is heavily reminiscient of the MM Factory's smog. She began coming under the bridge since Tasuku left and the MM Factory appeared. She threatens to "overflow" (with sexual tension, presumably), and acts as a catalyst to most of the MM encounters.

She has strange beliefs about burning the town down and Candide the Dark Angel. She burned the school some years ago, Tasuku rescued her, and she thought he was an angel? Then Candide the TV-boy rescues her in exactly the same fashion.

Her eyes often look like MM beacons, as do Ninamori's in Ep3 and the Terminal Core eyes in Ep6. Naota's eyes also look that way in Ep3 just before the ears were translocated to Ninamori.

She usually smokes the Never Knows Best cig at the time of MM Robot arrivals (Ep1, Ep2, Ep4, Ep6). Apparently there's only one such cig at a time, but I'm not sure whether it's the same one.

The process of burning cigs reminds of her burning down houses. She seems to be serious about destroying Mabase. I wonder if she knows her true effect on things; do her rituals have any sense, or is her belief in them false? Did she really make a pact with the devil? One thing for sure, she does have some effect on Medical Mechanica. Her smoke seems to revive robots.

Just a naughty bit: When she's washing up in the river, is it cause she's been bullied, or it's just the period?

2. Candid

If he is an MM Utility robot overtaken by Atomsk in an attempt to flee MM, why did Haruko bash him on the head? If he wasn't Atomsk, why was he fighting MM in the first place? If Haruko wanted Atomsk's head, why didn't she get it when Candid was bashed in Ep1? Apparently he's a part of the "giant hand robot", but why didn't he merge with it in Ep5?

Otherwise it is clear Candid was subdued by Haruko just like Kamon; like Amarao, he wants his head and pride back, and tries to cover the hole at the back of his "skull" with glued pieces of himself found around the burned school/embankment. Like Naota he can't hit with the bat.

The whole "merging with Naota" thing is complex; looks like physical consumption is not necessary, a psychological connection could suffice - trigger Atomsk's power in Naota (see Ep4).

Finally - is Candid REALLY and angel? Sounds like Mamimi's nonsense, but... her other nonsense has a strange connection to reality... Candid seems kind, charitable, and chivalric, unlike so many other FLCL characters. And in the end he remains to help people out in everyday's life.

3. Miyu-Miyu

The Miniature-Giant Space Cat looks like Haruko's superior, or at least an instrument of communication. Who was she reporting to? Not Amarao, I believe. So was she a loner, or there was some network behind her?

The cat has a bell which sounds quite like Haruko's bracelet. Possibly he appeared at the same time as MM Factory.

Just a naughty bit: Miyu-Miyu is obviously male; Ta-kun the kitten is engaged to a feminine-looking cat in Ep6; yet Ta-kun expresses "love" towards Miyu-Miyu, and the latter is not amused (Ep2).

Another tidbit: Haruko's baseball team ("the outsiders") have a logo that closely resembles Miyu-Miyu en face; and Mabase "home team" is called "The Martians". Miu-Miu = alien?

4. Medical Mechanica

The factory activates when an MM Robot (or at least its Terminal Core) is in this dimension. All robots have the form of hand (to move the iron), except Candide. The robots have insignia reminiscient of US Army (WW2 anyone?).

Agenda: there must be something more to it than sterilization of planets. Kitsurubami mentioned "straightening out wrinkles of our brains". I guess this is the metaphore for cultural invasion, but there could be something else.

They seem to turn planets totally blue - Ep6 + the explosion in Ep4 (when the sky is turned blue). Does this mean purity? The contrast between clear, bright blue (MM) and angry red (Atomsk) = the struggle between reason and emotion? MM is the epitome of intelligence unfettered by instincts, and Atomsk represents the "beast" nature in humans. Naturally the struggle and unity of opposites - I grow weary of Yin/Yang symbolism.

The Robots:

Main component - Eye in the center of palm, the Terminal Core. We know that eye (particlarly one in the palm) is a common symbol of soul. Thus, the Robot needs the SOUL.

Ep3 Robot: he let go Ninamori when his eye was crushed.

The Terminal Core is supposed to synchronize with its peripherals. Candid is actually a component (that's why Amarao wants to destroy it? Or does he realize that only in Ep6?), and so is Naota.

Maybe Atomsk's essence exists in Naota, and Candid is merely a receiver? Haruko thought it was the other way around, and so in Ep5 ignored Naota in favor of Candid, but then discards the robot and returns for Naota's head.

Haruko wants the power for herself, thus attacks Naota. But he chooses love, and the kiss "opens a portal" for Atomsk to leave Medical Mechanica and Naota.

5. Interstellar Immigration Bureau

Agenda: apparently they want to "get rid of outsiders", which can be interpreted as both the Japanese isolation policy and the desire for "golden middle" between Reason and Emotion. They represent "average human" with a resentment for both blind passion (Amarao's eyebrows) and absolute order (for Amarao the goal of Medical Mechanica - imposing absolute clarity of the mind - means nothing). They're not against love, but prefer its regular, mundane version; however, are fascinated by the extremes of passion, and can conduct deeds of self-sacrifice (if only in the most demanding moments - such as taking the death blow for someone you love).

Political theme

Cameos by stuff like USSR symbolics, Russian Cossack uniform, Nazi uniform, US uniform (sort of), and tidbits akin to "choose the left turn and take over the world" (mentioned by someone on this forum), or the WW2 weapons (Walther, Russian PTRS heavy sniper rifle), all point to a political layer. Besides WW2 and the "invasion" of Japan by american culture, I can't think of anything.


Well, that's enough for today. Not much, indeed, but maybe we'll unearth something truly interesting during the discussion.

Drizzten
12-09-01, 01:53 PM
Says Constantine Dragomirov
0. Tasuku
He left when the MM Factory appeared. The factory reportedly imprisons Atomsk. Haruko's swing reminds Naota of his bro. Naota has a connection to Atomsk's power when he thinks of his bro. All this and some other things brought me to the conclusion that Tasuku is Atomsk. And the "Blond gal" he got in "America" is actually Haruko.

Atomsk has this metallic ring in his nose/beak that attracts Haruko's bracelet. Does this mean they're engaged?
Tasuku is Naota's brother, who is supposed to be in America playing baseball. What other evidence do you have to support your theory that he is Atomsk? I would submit that Haruko's bracelet is exlplained best as a power tracking device...

1. Mamimi
One thing for sure, she does have some effect on Medical Mechanica. Her smoke seems to revive robots.
I think that she is the catalyst to MM activity only because she brings it out of Naota. It seemed to me that Naota would have an "event" when under emotional pressure...and Mamimi tended to provide that pressure most of the time.

2. Candid
If he is an MM Utility robot overtaken by Atomsk in an attempt to flee MM, why did Haruko bash him on the head?
Maybe Haruko wanted to "free" him prematurely...?

The whole "merging with Naota" thing is complex; looks like physical consumption is not necessary, a psychological connection could suffice - trigger Atomsk's power in Naota (see Ep4).
I saw it as the near-complete merging of Atomsk's power back into one being. Maybe Haruko needed to "prime" a recepticle (Naota) in order to help free Atomsk...after that, Naota became aware of the power he and Canti wielded and Atomsk realized that he could act through a proxy...therefore, when they merged back into one, Atomsk could harness his powers without revealing himself. Or, Naota could have "pulled a Shinji" and essentially acheived the FLCL version of 400% synch rate and not really remember anything afterwards.

3. Miyu-Miyu
The Miniature-Giant Space Cat looks like Haruko's superior, or at least an instrument of communication. Who was she reporting to? Not Amarao, I believe. So was she a loner, or there was some network behind her?
This is one of the larger enigmas in the series. It also (along with the ending) leaves open the chance for a sequal, since there is a whole set of entities that were not directly involved.

The cat obviously had superiority over her. The cat never appeared to belong to Naota's family...yet we didn't see it with Haruko when she was introduced. It's possible she dropped him off earlier...

Constantine Dragomirov
13-09-01, 12:16 AM
I have a feeling my post was too rushed, and isn't nearly enough original... oh well. Sorry for wasting time, then.

"What other evidence do you have to support your theory that he is Atomsk?"

You mean except that I've already presented? Well: Atomsk's power makes Naota a good batter; Haruko swings like Tasuku; Medical Mechanica is in many ways a representation of the United States. Just way too many coincidences.

"I would submit that Haruko's bracelet is exlplained best as a power tracking device..."

Then the reason for Atomsk's beak ring? They're a perfect match (except the size). And wouldn't Haruko's bracelet confuse Atomsk with other sources of power? No, I'd say the 2 rings are designed to point towards each other. Maybe they're parts of a broken chain (a "living metaphore").

"I think that she is the catalyst to MM activity only because she brings it out of Naota."

I don't think so. Mamimi is more than just an "object" for Naota. A system develops:

Ep1: She started coming under the bridge when Medical Mechanica arrived, but cannot point out the exact reason. The "overflow" was directly connected to appearance of the 2 robots; Mamimi's role was probably not much less than Naota's.

Ep2: She undertakes something like a satanistic ritual (Never Knows Best cig present). Naturally, a "rabbit out of the hat" appears.

Ep4: She called for "Nostradamus' King of Kings" "day in and day out", and voila. Impending doom. Besides, in that episode Haruko provided the "pressure".

Ep6: She returns under the bridge and lights the Never Knows Best cig. And immediately the terminal core crawls out. It is dying, but she covers it with smoke (symbol of MM) and revives. The TC obeys Mamimi and to some extent reflects her feelings; although at a certain point its "primary objective" takes over, but who says it wasn't what Mamimi wanted all along? To burn Endsville down forever?

These are all obvious observations (I've yet to unearth something more concealed), but put all together, they produce a string of events too systematic to treat as accidents.

"Maybe Haruko wanted to "free" him prematurely...?"

Would that "free" him or "take his head"? I suppose the latter, but it could have been Haruko's goal all along.

"I saw it as the near-complete merging of Atomsk's power back into one being."

Yeah, that's the "normal" merging. But what about the "spiritual" merging in Ep4 - appears that Naota doesnt have to be in Candid to access Atomsk's powers (yet he still does it in Ep5, apparetnly haven't realized the above).

Also, the whole role of Candid and Naota as parts of the Hand Robot necessary to trigger the doomsday device points to that MM wanted to use Atomsk's own power to wipe out Earth; but if Naota's merely a portal, why is he necessary? Unless he's the one who actually possesses Atomsk's essence?

"This is one of the larger enigmas in the series. "

It's pretty much inexplicable. BTW, I didn't get what exactly the "Space Police fraternity" is.

If you know any sites where I could enlighten myself without bothering this forum, be kind enough to share the wisdom.

Drizzten
14-09-01, 02:53 PM
I am disappointed that more people haven't posted here.
Says Constantine Dragomirov:
Just way too many coincidences.
Fair enough. I'll have to re-review the series again and keep a closer eye on the similarities.

Then the reason for Atomsk's beak ring?
:sweatdrop
To be honest, I don't remember Atomsk's ring. My powers of perception must have dulled while I was watching.

These are all obvious observations (I've yet to unearth something more concealed), but put all together, they produce a string of events too systematic to treat as accidents.
She seems to be a part of many events regarding the series, I won't deny that. Her past is mostly glossed over, with the exception of her pyrophilic acts. Then again, a parallel could be drawn between those acts and the apparent cleaning that MM does from time to time on planets.

if Naota's merely a portal, why is he necessary? Unless he's the one who actually possesses Atomsk's essence?
From what we are given, we know that Atomsk is an infamous space pirate that can cause immense destruction. He has surfaced before and Haruko has seen him "in the flesh." We don't know much about circumstances with these past events, though. All we can assume is that "portals" were used and the major players are aware of that. Haruko uses the guitars to open the portal and it is my belief that Amaro uses his eyebrows (in additon to shore up his self-esteem) as a laughable defense against the opening/utilization of a portal. He slaps a set of eyebrows on Naota ,which may have been for a self-esteem boost as well, but I also think he was trying to protect him from the portal as well.

Why is he necessary? Maybe Atomsk needs to rest after revealing himself and doing battle or pirating something. He's suspended somewhere. It seems like a great way to take a breather and recoup after a fight. Of course, the danger in that is losing control over the portal/object he retreats into. Maybe be runs across Haruko one day...and she either falls in love with him or with his power. Bam, you have a person willing to follow you around and keep an eye on the portal process who has no qualms about interrupting the lives of others.

If you know any sites where I could enlighten myself without bothering this forum, be kind enough to share the wisdom.
http://www.juri.nu/flcl/
This is the only substantial FLCL site I've visited. Every FLCL websearch I've done pulls up little. Somewhere in this forum is a thread about FLCL links...

I'm not a doll
15-09-01, 01:44 AM
Originally posted by Drizzten
I am disappointed that more people haven't posted here.


to the most part the poeple with an intellect have yet to post due to, I'd say not wanting to make FLCL the another of the compicated anime series out there after all it is :|

The cruel angel's thesis
15-09-01, 05:08 AM
I'll post my opinions on all this when I get home from school, okay drizz? :)

byped
23-09-01, 06:05 AM
Hey, this my first post on these boards, I actually made an account specifically to join this thread :p I think FLCL has a lot of depth to it, all of which should be explored. Anyways, to work...

I'm intrigued by Constantines connection between MM, and the US's role in WW2, I really think he's on to something there. I think the show is trying to explore how cultural imperialism can be a two-edged sword. It can damage people and the town, like when the MM robots come to whup it up in the town. But it also brings positive aspects, and two of the show's most important sybols, the guitar and baseball, are american "imports"

I'm not really sure I subscribe to his claim that Naota's brother is atomsk tho, it seems like we don't really know enough about his brother to make that kind of connection. It's obvious that there is *some* sort of parallel between his brother and when atomsk's power is released, but I think it has more to do with the relationship between Naota and his brother. Naota idolizes his brother, and sees him as an example of someone who has power, and isn't afraid to use it. So he thinks of his brother when he sees Haruko's swing because she too has that kind of power and detirmination. Whenever he calls out for his brother, as when he hits the bomb in ep. 3, he has ambition for his brother's power, and this kind of ambition and drive is what atomsk channels.

One main theme in the show seems to be the differences between being a "kid" and growing up. Kids are basically defined by not having (or more likely repressing) either sexual urges, or a desire for power. The process of growing up is learning how do deal with these urges. Two main examples of growing up are given in the show. There are "failed" grownups like Amaro who try to become grown up by altering themselves in superficial ways(the eyebrows), and repressing both their essential childishness and sexual urges. He tries to ignore how childish Haruko makes him feel, but is really envious of how she has handled her sexual drive, and his defenses eventually collapse like in the scene in ep. 5. Interestingly though, while haruko has more or less mastered her sexual urges, her urge for power is still out of hand, shown by her envy of Atomsk's power. In ep. 5, the little bubbles of color floating around her when she's staring at Atomsk (in canti) at the end look just like the bubbles around Amaro earlier.

Mamimi has two interesting quirks about her that probably merit further investigation. As constantine suggested, she has a penchant for the occult, shown in her obsession with fire and her rituals in ep. 2, her seeing canti as "the dark angel of fire", and her quoting nostradamus in ep. 4. Not just this but she also seems to always have some sort of camera around, and is always taking pictures. It might be just me, but when she finds the terminal core in ep. 6, doesn't it look sort of like a camera? Not really sure what all this means, but I think there's a lot more to Mamimi than just being a trigger for Naota's furikuri fits.

Drizzten
23-09-01, 07:21 PM
Welcome to Animeboards and the FLCL forum, byped. :wavey:
You said:
One main theme in the show seems to be the differences between being a "kid" and growing up. Kids are basically defined by not having (or more likely repressing) either sexual urges, or a desire for power. The process of growing up is learning how do deal with these urges. Two main examples of growing up are given in the show. There are "failed" grownups like Amaro who try to become grown up by altering themselves in superficial ways(the eyebrows), and repressing both their essential childishness and sexual urges.
If you think about it, there really weren't any "model" adults in the series.
Naota's father - pervert, shifty salesman, and let himself be abused by Haruko
Naota's grandfather - pervert, crappy baseball manager
Naota's teacher - overbearing and overreacts to everything
Ninamori's parents - rocky relationship mixed in with political troubles
In face, the only adult that I can remember that acted remotely "normal" was the policeman at the scene where Haruko crashed into the MM building.

Constantine Dragomirov
24-09-01, 09:39 AM
1. Atomsk/Tasuku

Although you can say that Tasuku is just a symbol for Naota rather than Atomsk (the absolute manifestation of libido), I find there way too many coincidences.

2. Atomsk/MM/Haruko

Atomsk reportedly "steals" planets, MM "cleanses" them; if we assume a "planet" (or "civilization") is an extrapolation of a single consciousness/mind, then Atomsk (emotion) steals said mind (makes people act on instincts), and MM "cleanses" it of those instincts.

Haruko is working for the Stellar police fraternity; normally she'd be Atomsk's enemy, but she's no friend of MM as well (even putting aside her selfish interest in A's power). Mayhap she's been working with Amarao before; though not in the Immigration agency, since it seems like a purely Earth organization. So, it could be that once they both belonged to SPF, until one day their paths diverged - and Amarao chose to serve as Earth's protection from meddling "aliens".

3. Mamimi

She's definitely made a pact of sort with MM. It is exceedingly obvious in Ep6:

Mamimi is splashed by a moped, gets mad;
She's seen anxiously looking for something in the grass;
Then she's lighting the Never Knows Best cig (apparently she's been looking for it or the lighter);
She isn't one bit surprised when Terminal Core crawls out;
She exhales the smoke on TC and revives it;
The TC obeys her;
She makes a "pact" with TC by sacrificing a part of herself (memory of Tasuku);
She uses the TC to execute revenge on the biker (that would explain WHY she was looking for the smoking stuff immediately after being splashed);
Her smoking/eyes are like MM steam/beacons.

Basically she KNOWINGLY summoned the Core, revived it, and commanded it. For a Gainax anime, that would be enough to point out Mamimi's strong connection to MM. But even more, she does this sort of thing almost every episode! Even her name might be for Medical Mechanica what FLCL is for the Weber Syndrome. That would explain why she refers to herself in 3rd person - she's in fact more than just herself.

Westlo
19-10-01, 04:09 AM
completely off topic

to CD

remember you're little excursion into the escaflowne forum, while not saying you're views are wrong because it is YOUR opinion. Can you at least finish what you started and at the least make a closing argument for the arguments you started in the forum.

BTW where did you go for a while?