Karou

[Wolfpac]

I don't really know how to sugar-coat this so I'll come right out and say it:

Is Karou Gay???

[ATh]

Certainly not.

He does seem to have the capsity for love, though for any physical manifestation of this you would hav eto be making it up.

Check out my website in a few days time, i will have put up my symbols section (well some of it, i did no work today as i formatted my HDD, and as usual, took 5 hours to get my comp running again)

http://www.ath.myeva.net
(thanks to eva2000 for the hosting :))

ATh

[ryezen]

i have to agree with ATh in saying that Kaworu is not Gay

so here's what I think:

first of all, Kaworu is an angel, and angels are supposed to be androgenous and because he is an angel, he is not subject to the gender laws we humans have.

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"unlearn what you have learned"

[eva2000]

i agree with ATh as well, Kaworu ain't gay...

and wow ATh your web site is coming along nicely :D - you know you don't need the 'www' in the front it can be accessed at

http://ath.myeva.net/ as well :D

glad you like my free 20 MB hosting... a little plug for myself, other members you can get your own free 20MB web site at http://myeva.net/hosting/ ;)

[ATh]

Thanks,

i even did some more work today on it. and no i did not know that.

i do now though thanks.

ATh

[David Ikari]

I did not think that is someone was gay that they had to 'express themselves' in a physical manner. Somebody who is gay merely feels attraction or love for a member of the same sex, and sexual intercourse is something that may come of love. Scince Kaworu is an Angel, he is not subject to our laws of love. But (as stated in ep 25) he was human as well. He may have just felt a strong love for all in the lillim culture, or may have just been that way inclined.
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'Heaven for Climate, Hell for company'
-Mark Twain

[EVA UNIT 01]

I found a web site devoted to Kaworu Nagisa and it has two pages on this topic the URL is:

http://members.aol.com/KaworuNGE/

Hope it helps answer questions

[fireguy]

I don't think he is gay. It is just the way he expresses himself. His innocence and honesty of character lead to him to act in no other way. He hasn't been corrupted by the values which a human society place on such things, so he doesn't understand those sorts of concepts.

[Wolfpac]

See he is gay.:lol:

Kaworu: Let's take a bath and have a sleepover, Shinji. That way no matter what happens to the world in the future, we will be immortalized in endless yaoi fanfics for this one night.
Shinji: Oh, OK. Sounds good. What's "yaoi"?
Kaworu: It's where I gaze at you and say I love you. Like this: I love you.

[Yuusuke]

Um. . .please tell me you know what yaoi means. Or. . .at least what it's used for (like the terms lemon, lime, and waff).
And, it would be normal to have a public bath (well, public to the people at Nerv, it seems).
And Shinji slept at Kaoru's because he didn't want to go home and face Misato.
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Tatsuko

[Wolfpac]

I've got a rough idea what "yaoi" means, but why don't you tell the Good people at Home what Yaoi means

[Yuusuke]

Yaoi, when used in fanfiction, is usually a term for refering to gay fanfics (as in, there are male characters that are gay). They're sometimes lemon fics, but, I'd rather not see (read) those *shudders*
If you wish to find some examples of yaoi fanfiction, your best bet would be to look on a search engine for 'Yuyu Hakusho fanfiction,' most all Yuyu Hakusho fanfiction seems to revolve around yaio'ness (I just made a word) and deal with Hiei and Kurama, which I really don't like :(
Oh, and there's a word that'd be the opposite of yaoi (that is, a female-female type fanfiction), but I can't remember the term used.
As for past fanfiction, I'm not really sure what the meaning of yaoi would be, it's probably closely related (or the same) though.
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*One of these freaks killed my sister.*
Mikagami Tokiya

[Wolfpac]

I thought so
And see Karou is Gay:lol:

[Yuusuke]

So, if that webpage says that he is gay, then he is gay? Hm. . .I wonder if I can get them to write something about you ;)
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Recca

[Wolfpac]

Yeah I'm the straght Hero Blowing the Homos apart
Just Kidding, I'm not that anti Gay :lol:

[DeadManSeven]

Nah...he's not. I have my own theories as to why he isn't. I will, however state that although he may say he loves Shinji, that does not mean he is in love with him. I saw Kaworu's love for Shinji once described as similar to God's love for humanity, and I like that idea. However, there also seem to be a lot of people out there who also like the idea of Shinji/Kaworu yaoi fanfiction...hey, what you don with your life is your business...just don't expect me to get involved. :)

[Wolfpac]

Yeah Karou like Shinji for his P.P.P.Personallity (what did you think I was going to say)

[fireguy]

I thought you were gonna say Pride, :lol:

[Redlotus]

Jeeze guys, cut Karou a little slack....he knows nothing about society in general...he most likley dosent know what the terms "gay" and "straight" are!

[Hiyoku]

~cough cough~ Yuusuke-san...Yuri is the term yer lookin' fer..
~twitchCchhHHTwiiitCcchHHH~
...hmmm...Kaworu can't really be viewed as gay..I mean, amongst the Angels, do they _really_ have any sexual denomination..?
O.o

~Tasuki No Miko

"..I don't care how you feel, tell me before you feel a whole hell of a lot worse."

[Wolfpac]

"Jeeze guys, cut Karou a little slack....he knows nothing about society in general...he most likley dosent know what the terms "gay" and "straight" are!"

If he could speak perfect English (or Japanese) he would have to know what those world ment

[Yuusuke]

Um. . .I'm not gonna ask, but. . .thanks, Hiyoku (Inverse?).
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Domon

[BlackXIII]

Kaoru is not gay. he ment it not in a physical way but in a more deeper sense

[ryezen]

Originally posted by Wolfpac
If he could speak perfect English (or Japanese) he would have to know what those world ment

not necessarily, remember, laws of men are made for men. since kaworu is an angel the laws of humans do apply to him. He may be referred to as "He" only bec. the physical form which was given to him is that of a human male - also Kaworu houses Adams soul, and the original Adam as we know has the form of Eva w/c ofcourse no gender is applied.

so i'll say it again:
KAWORU IS NOT GAY, KAWORU IS NOT GAY, KAWORU IS NOT GAY!

[Touji]

Okay, I accept the argument that angels have no sexual definition etc. But I'm talking about his personality and relationship w/ Shinji.

C'mon, if some guy in your class came to you, held your hand and said "I love you", what would you call him?

[ryezen]

put it this way, Kaworu's love for Shinji is like Christ's love for humanity. remember, there are many forms of love -the lowest is physical love, with the highest as heavenly love, it is this heavenly love which Kaworu showed Shinji, the touching and the "i love you part" were just some ways by which he was able to convey that love in the language known to Shinji.

but if your going to take the scenes w/c contain homosexual undertones as it is w/o looking into the details surrounding the event, then that's up to you :D

[BlackXIII]

if some guy came up to me at school and sayed he loved me i would be scared too (i'm a guy) but it would be another thing if he became my freind, then stole an Eva and could utilize his own AT field (does anyone know what an AT feild is in real life? i found it in a book and lost my page never to find it again) and called himslef the 17th angel. the 2 subjects are almost irrelivent (or thats my perspective [then does that mean its my/the truth?]

[kaji]

My opinion: Kaoru's Gay
Reason: why not? :B:

My FRIEND's opinion: Kaoru's not gay
Reason: Jap translation means 'I like you' not 'I love you'

:?:

[ryezen]

oh well... if reason wont convince you... :D perhaps this will:

:goof:


hehe... i really like this one!

:goof: :goof: :goof:

[gaspacho soup]

kowaru is cool, and definitly NOT gay

[Shadow War]

Does it matter if this character is gay or not? I personaly don't think he is but it should not be a big issue.

[Pen²]

kaworu CAN'T be gay...he is neither female nor male (even though he resembles a guy)...u have to be of the same sex to be gay...geez look up definitions before you post on this board.

[Boltarion]

Kaworu isn't gay. He never said he found Shinji attractive, he just said he loved him. Gay people find other men attractive physically and I don't think Kaworu felt that way about Shinji.

[asuka_131]

kaworu sure acted gay, but that's because that is how humans percieve the way he acted as. i thought it was pretty funny when he wanted to go bed with shinji (he said this while they were bathing together), but no - i don't think that kaworu is gay. i don't think he'd even understand the concept of gay.

[kaji]

He's GAY

it adds more spice in the story!

[ATh]

I do not believe it 'adds spice to the story'

If anything the innocence Of Karou and His short, yet truely meaningful, friendship with Shinji is one of the highlights of the entire series.

But neither Shinji nor Karou would engage in sexaul activities with oneanother.

ATh

[Pen²]

i'm pretty sure angels CAN't have sex....

[3foolishmen]

Hmm, doesn't seem hard at first...

Here's the solution:
Since both statements cannot be true simultaneously, it follows that either, or both, are false.

Assumption 1, both are false.
If the first statement is false, then it follows that the second statement must be false, which in turn means that the first statement is true. This contradicts Assumption 1, therefore Assumption 1 is not valid.

Assumption 2, the second statement only is false.
If only the second statement is false, then it follows that the first statement is true. The first statement states that the second statement is true. This contradicts Assumption 2, therefore Assumption 2 is not valid.

Assumption 3, the first statement only is false.
If the first statement only is false, then it follows that the second statement is true. The second statement states that the first statement is false, a conclusion that validates Assumption 3. Therefore, only the first statement is false.

Did I get it right?

btw, Pen2 and Pen^2, which is the Pen2 from the older board?

[Pen²]

Pen2 is the one

i'm the newer one :D

And yep...dead on...very nice reasoning...letsee if nebody else can do better ;)

[Nexus]

Always the same arguments. I know Americans are overly christian, up to the point of being religious zealots, but when will people stop saing Kaoru is an angel and as such must be androgenous. The original word "shito" means messanger not angel and this is the word used by the creators of the series. If they wanted them to be angels they would have used the Japanese word for angel. I myself am gay (If you've got problems with that, deal with it it's none of your business. You filthy bigot! Do you want to be a second Hitler or something?) and I'm annoyed that so many people deny their relationship. I don't have gay-dar or anything, but I think the love between Shinji and Kaoru is the purest, most beautiful love I have ever seen (and most obvious). Even in real life. The EoE movie has a beautifull scene with Shinji in Eva-01 and a giant Kaoru reaching for him with his hands, as to hug him. Shinji responds with a truly happy smile and a content look on his face. I think it's the only time in the whole movie that he smiles. What with being near catatonic after having killed Kaoru.

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Kaoru to Shinji: "I love you."

[BlackXIII]

he was a "messanger" than. eather way he was not human. if anything he was another form of human. a difrent species all together if you think about it. i dont want to give anything away if you havent seen the movie so i cant go into detail

[jww1477]

I don't really think he's gay, but I'll admit that he's as much human as Rei is. He's taken human form, with Angel powers as perks. Although I always wondered if the Angels really were evolving and adapting as they learned about their human opponents...

First of all I'm not a zealot, I'm even a nonbeliever so there goes that theory.

Regardless, while I do get uncomfortable around gay people, and I suppose I would probably just believe Kaoru isn't just by default, I would say there's pretty clear evidence he loves, or is strongly sexually attracted to Asuka and Rei... Only after he can no longer relate to any of the women in his life, does Kaoru come into it. I think if there was another pretty girl entering his life, he would just reject them out of fear of rejection. But Kaoru is warm and friendly to him, when he's emotionally the weakest he's ever been.

Hmmm. I don't know. I don't like to think about it because it isn't THAT important. I mean, maybe Kaoru IS, we know Shinji isn't so... Aw, hell. Don't make me think about it, it's just easier to say he's not, it's mistranslated, and that's that.

Besides, the dubbed voice sounds gay on purpose, and the sub mistook like for love.

[shinji]

While I don't think we can technically define Kaworu as 'gay', I do thinnk he loved Shinji, and I DO think that had a sexual component...if Kaworu hadn't have died, who knows what might have happened?
But the arguement that Shinji is strongly attracted to Asduka/Rei doesn't work with me, I'm sorry.
When Instrumentality came, he was granted with his most fervent wish, which was?
Kaworu.

But then, we could debate this until the cows come home...No-one can win.

shinji.

[Wolfpac]

Originally posted by shinji
But the arguement that Shinji is strongly attracted to Asduka/Rei doesn't work with me, I'm sorry.
When Instrumentality came, he was granted with his most fervent wish, which was?
Kaworu.Umm Shinji, I think you might be reading a bit to much into this, I think the reason that Shinji wanted to wish Karou back was because he was feeling really bad that he killed someone, and that someone was the only person ever to say that he loved him. And if Karou was alive he wouldn't feel bad anymore.
So what about the last sceen of EoE, why is it that Auska is on top of Shinji, not Karou behind him :lol:

[shinji]

Good point...whenever I bring up this topic, someone always says 'but what about _that_?'
Here's my theory.
From what we know of Shinji, he's obsessed with being liked, right? He hates the fact that he's hated, although he also accepts it fatalistically.
IMHO, he therefore can't accept any feelings he might have for Kaworu because that would label him as 'gay' and therefore 'detestable'.
So as soon as they are formed, his superego rejects his true feelings, and quite possibly either-
1) projects them onto Asuka, so as to create a nice heterosexual fantasy; or
2) attempts to blame Kaworu - which puts a spin onto Ep. 24. Kaworu's 'betrayal' was not only of trust ("how dare you lie to me and put me in this position") but also one of self-control ("how dare you make me feel this way about you! I don't want to be gay! I don't wanted to be hated!") And so he destroys the only thing that can make him happy, because he cannot admit why this is so.

Obviously, Shinji is mucho screwy in the head.
But that's probably a statement for another thread.

shinji.

[Killjoy]

Oy, this thread again.
I don't think Kaoru is gay; I believe that he loves Shinji in a friendly way, not in a sexual way. But who gives a damn? Does it really matter whether or not Kaoru's gay? Or what the definition of his sex is?

I think it's amazing that Anno managed to create such controversy and such a great character over the course of about five minutes of actual time being featured during the course of the episode.

[BlackXIII]

well Kaoru was not a human. He was an angel. Another one of our possibilitys. so how coudl he be gay. I mean he was not human so it owuld be like you loving your dog. You are from 2 diffrent species so does it really matter? i mean it looks like they are the same but he is n angel so he has to be diffrent

[Shinjikarity]

He's not gay.

[shinji]

Ep. 25 (or words to this effect)
"He was an angel! Kaworu had to die."
-Although he was human as well?
-Rei: "Although he was an human as I am?"

Anyone who doesn't go 'oooh, gross' when dealing with the poss. of a shinji/rei pairing means we have to treat Kaworu/Shinji the same way.

Shinji.

[Wolfpac]

But when you think about it Rei and Shinji is kinda sick, because realy, it is Shinji's mother were talking about here.

[shinji]

Originally posted by Wolfpac
But when you think about it Rei and Shinji is kinda sick, because realy, it is Shinji's mother were talking about here.
Exactly - and yet there are fervent Rei/Shinji fans out there. I think Kaworu/Shinji is quite normal in comparison.

shinji.

[Wolfpac]

You set me up and I took the Bait, I should have seen it comming
Well he still likes Auska, or he wouldn't have kissed her

[Githon]

<<So as soon as they are formed, his superego rejects his true feelings, and quite possibly either-
1) projects them onto Asuka, so as to create a nice heterosexual fantasy>>

Yeah, let's not forget, as Wolfpac said, Shinji did kiss Asuka volunterally, but more importantly, he did so way before Kaworu is around.

Also before Kaworu even shows up, Shinji's having one of his hallucinations as usual (ehehe, well, yeah, not a hallucination, but you know :P), and Misato, Asuka, and Rei all do that thing about "Would you like to become one with me, it would be very, very nice" (etc.)

Shinji already liked Asuka, there's no projecting involved, that's not a valid reason.

[shinji]

Originally posted by Githon
<<So as soon as they are formed, his superego rejects his true feelings, and quite possibly either-
1) projects them onto Asuka, so as to create a nice heterosexual fantasy>>

This was only a possibility I mentioned. I don't think any of us really understand Eva well enough to say anything for certain.

Originally posted by Githon
Yeah, let's not forget, as Wolfpac said, Shinji did kiss Asuka volunterally, but more importantly, he did so way before Kaworu is around.
Haven't you kissed people you haven't really liked?
I know I have (and yes, they've been girls, too.)
After all, if he refused he would have looked suspect...weak. He would have given Asuka an edge over him.

Also before Kaworu even shows up, Shinji's having one of his hallucinations as usual (ehehe, well, yeah, not a hallucination, but you know :P), and Misato, Asuka, and Rei all do that thing about "Would you like to become one with me, it would be very, very nice" (etc.)
That's because in that scene EVA-01/Lillith is trying to tempt him into merging with itself. EVA-01 and Lillith are both gendered female, therefore they would use female forms to represent themselves.
Besides, haven't you ever wondered why he declined? :-)

Shinji already liked Asuka, there's no projecting involved, that's not a valid reason.
You haven't countered my other reason(s) yet.

Please don't spoil my fun. It's not hurting anyone, it's completely innocent....and it gives me stuff to write fan-fics about.

shinji.

[Wolfpac]

Originally posted by shinji
Haven't you kissed people you haven't really liked?
I know I have (and yes, they've been girls, too.)
After all, if he refused he would have looked suspect...weak. He would have given Asuka an edge over him.
But if he didn't like Auska why kiss her while she was sleeping??? When he kissed her after she left so guy at the ferris Wheel make sence because she almost forced him to do that, but the other one makes no sence
You haven't countered my other reason(s) yet.

Please don't spoil my fun. It's not hurting anyone, it's completely innocent....and it gives me stuff to write fan-fics about.He Githon, I think were winning, but there's alot of stuff that can make wonder about him though

[shinji]

Originally posted by Wolfpac
[QUOTE]But if he didn't like Auska why kiss her while she was sleeping??? When he kissed her after she left so guy at the ferris Wheel make sence because she almost forced him to do that, but the other one makes no sence

Okay...Shinji's lyin' there. There's a beautiful, gorgeous, sexually alive young woman just in front of him. He's supposed to feel somthing for her...maybe he does, maybe he doesn't...whatever it is, it is isn't as strong as it *should* be, so he thinks, maybe if I just kiss her, than like the fairy tale, he'll be transformed...from a gay baka to a straight prince.

2) Maybe he does like Asuka. I'll admit that. What I won't admit is that for Shinji a relationship with Asuka would have been more enriching/fulfilling than one with Kaworu. If you want to think Shinji was 'in love with Asuka', go ahead, fine.
It just means he's bi, though.


Originally posted by Wolfpac
[QUOTE]He Githon, I think were winning, but there's alot of stuff that can make wonder about him though

Winning? Never! You'll never turn my beloved little Shinji, no matter how many feisty red-heads you throw at him!

shinji (with a goofy-lookin' grin on his face).

[Githon]

<<maybe if I just kiss her, than like the fairy tale, he'll be transformed...from a gay baka to a straight prince. >>

:lol: Okay, now you're just being dumb.

Wolfpac, just ignore him :sweatdrop:
It's not worth it.

[shinji]

Originally posted by Githon
:lol: Okay, now you're just being dumb.
That's your opinion.
I'll be sure to take it under advisement.

shinji.

[Wolfpac]

Originally posted by shinji
Okay...Shinji's lyin' there. There's a beautiful, gorgeous, sexually alive young woman just in front of him. He's supposed to feel somthing for her...maybe he does, maybe he doesn't...whatever it is, it is isn't as strong as it *should* be, so he thinks, maybe if I just kiss her, than like the fairy tale, he'll be transformed...from a gay baka to a straight prince.

2) Maybe he does like Asuka. I'll admit that. What I won't admit is that for Shinji a relationship with Asuka would have been more enriching/fulfilling than one with Kaworu. If you want to think Shinji was 'in love with Asuka', go ahead, fine.
It just means he's bi, though.Actually I don't think that Shinji is in Love with Auska but he's is deffently actracted to her, well who wouldn't be. An georges beautiful female is living with him, and he hangs out with Misato and Rei all day. The Horny Guy just wants some.
At this time I think he's not Bi-sexualy. If there is any chance of him being Gay was once he met Karou. He didn't think about it untill he met him. Look what he said to Kaji
Kaji : Can I by you a drink??
Shinji : Kaji, I'm a Guy
See he didn't like men then, so untill Karou arrived he was as straight as you and me

He may be Bi when he has all of these Redheads around him but not with a Redhead (Auska), a Bluehead (Rei) a Blackhead (Misato) a Brownhead (Maya) and a Blond (Ritsuko)around him all day

[kusinagi-kun]

you're all insane!!!! everyone knows Pen Pen is the UlTiMaTe PiMp DadDy! w00t w00t!

yikes. sorry for that. seriously, the Kauro=gay threads are getting old and i've just joined yesterday... but the truth, or at least my version?

well, we all know Ritsuko AND Misato are into Kaji

Misato is kinda freakily attached to Shinji cause she thinks like he's her kid.

Shinji is attached in the same way to Misato, though less intense and more vaguely sexual.

Asuka is desperate for a kind hand and will thus throw herself at anyone. though she does get shot down a lot. or she realizes that this person isn't what she thought they were.

Rei has feelings, very very deep feelings for Gendou.

and thems is the facts!

~jason (get your poison tongue out of my ears!)

[Githon]

<<Kaji : Can I by you a drink??
Shinji : Kaji, I'm a Guy >>

Wolfpac, is that from the scene after Kaji was hitting on the Magi Tech, then talks to Misato (I think), then offers Shinji a drink?

Damn dub. In the sub, Shinji says something along the lines of "But I'm a boy", in refrence to the fact that he's too young to be drinking.

Damn I hate dubs! Aaarg! Could they at least NOT suck??

[kusinagi-kun]

COPIED FROM EVA DISCUSSION FORUM ON SAME SUBJECT:

well, first let's put it this way. this post is silly. and second : he's an angel. angels are asexual (as far as we know).

~jason (i remember a threeway road with your wife and the library girl! that's good lovin')

[kusinagi-kun]

i didn't mean asexual as in steril, but as he reproduces via other methods... sporing or the like.

~jason


(Shinji : ewww! Kawrou dropped a spore!

Kawrou : did not!

Asuka : I saw you , freak-o!

Kawrou : Damn. I'll get you, woman! )

[jww1477]

Wow. I've been convinced. Kaoru is definitely gay. And so is Shinji. I've utterly changed my mind. In fact, I think the entire series is a giant metaphor for Shinji's fear about coming out.

I mean, all it took was 5 billion posts <twitch, twitch>... and I'm convinced...

:splat:

Insert expletives here ___________.

[Coign]

There isn't a closet big enough for THAT to remain a secret. Coming out of it would be like Earth suddenly losing all gravitational force and everybody falling into the depths of space, (if they don't burn up in the atmosphere of course), and then dying of explosive decompression.

Am I the only one that thinks that sounds fun?!

[kusinagi-kun]

more fun than gay sex with Shinji ? mmmm... tough one


~jason

[jww1477]

It sounds like fun of course... but what a mess.

You decide which one I was talking about.

:smokin:

[shinji]

well, if you all agree with me now, obviously my work here is done. :B:
But seriously though, someone a coupla posts ago suggested that Kaji was hitting on Shinji was he offered to get him a drink, and that Shinji's refusal "I'm a boy" means he obviously isn't interested in that sort of thing.
Okay.
1) I didn't think Kaji was coming on to him, and hell, you'd think if there was even a chance of that *I'd* be the one reading into it.
2) It's just after Maya rejected him (she prefers blondes, natch), and he's embarassed himself in front of the boy. He standing in front of a vending machine and he tries to regain his momentum by changing the subject - and offers to buy Shinji a 'cup o'tea' (according to the dub).
3) Shinji doesn't want it because it doesn't seem manly to him.
At least, that's how I saw that scene.
Kaji and Shinji? Ewww....that's twisted.

shinji.

[jww1477]

Can I shoot him, boss? Eh? Ehh? Can I???

[Wolfpac]

What Shinji, You are totally convinced that Shinji is Gay, but you didn't think Kaji was hitting on Shinji, Boy I thought that you would have been the first to think of it. But Shinji's Straight and there's nothing that you have said to say that he really is, but you only seem to argue why he can't like Girls

And you still didn't say it you think that Shinji was Bi, before or after he met Karou

[X.E.R.O]

It is hopeless..:p

[kusinagi-kun]

you're all fools for even thinking that shinji doesn't regularly have rei's pale white booty.

~jason

[Delirium]

i'd still do it with kaoru!

and i'm a girl!

[kusinagi-kun]

y'know what ? so do i ... and i'm a guy ... so , i guess that proves me that i'm wrong!

~jason

[X.E.R.O]

Go right on ahead..:)

[Delirium]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by kusinagi-kun
[B]y'know what ? so do i ... and i'm a guy ... so , i guess that proves me that i'm wrong!

not really....
i think it would just mean that we got a hell of a great taste for guys!

[kusinagi-kun]

again, good point.

~jason (i'm not gay! seriously! i just think Kawrou's all hot for a guy... an anime guy at that)

[X.E.R.O]

Originally posted by kusinagi-kun
again, good point.

~jason (i'm not gay! seriously! i just think Kawrou's all hot for a guy... an anime guy at that)

Hmmmm...:dodgy:

X.E.R.O out!!!

[Delirium]

i also think rei is a hottie for a girl!
although i admire asuka's attittude, i'd still prefer rei!

[kusinagi-kun]

rei in three words : pale white booty.

~jason

[Delirium]

although i also think her mysterious way pretty sexy!

[kusinagi-kun]

rei hiaku :

rei's pale white booty
is but one of her many
excellent features.

(pause for applause)

~jason

[Asuka 4EVER]

Shinji, gay? Say it ain't so!!! Does that mean no getting it on with Asuka? hahaha don't mind me, I'm just killing time... =)

[Yoshi-kun]

I'm so happy that this topic has been adressed intelligently! Thank you shinji! 'Cause I think it has more depth and possibility than most people are willing to grant it offhand...anyone will admit that Evangelion has complex (and controversial, no?) psychological, philosophical, and religious implications, but stop when it comes to Eva's sexual depth. (ah, freudian phrasing!!)

When I first saw ep. 24, I didn't doubt for a second that Kaworu was interested in showing physical affection (manifestable in part through sex) for Shinji. Shinji says, "I have to go to bed," and Kaworu says, "With me?" From this line, I think we have to accept that we as an audience were at least intended to question Karowu's sexual identity. I realize that the two do end up sleeping with each other...just in the same room, not the same bed.

I don't see any reason for Kaworu as an angel to be _homosexual_, but I can see many reasons that he would be _bi-sexual_. He is not limited by the same mores that most humans are, he is capable of having an expansive and unjudgemental view of right and wrong. I believe he sees things for what they are, like he sees Shinji, and _loves_ Shinji in an unconditional way that completely transcends physical love without making sex useless.

Quite a mouthful, I'm not good at keeping my senteces short. Here's what I think is going on:

Shinji has a confused sexuality. This could be for many valid psychological reasons (read Shinji's posts for some great ideas regarding this). Remember that he does masturbate when he sees Asuka exposed in the EoE, so there IS something about her that is sexually attractive to him. However, he is a really repressed person. I suspect Kaworu has intense energy, including sexual energy / vibrations that don't discriminate between gender, and Shinji picks up on these, just as he picks up on Kaworu's platonic love for him and responds. Kaworu can see how confused Shinji is, and makes a gesture, "With me?" He does have sexual organs (witness the urinals), and might consider such gesture the proferring of a gift that he can tell Shinji, in some way, desires.

I consider Kaworu to be so enlightened as to be open to any possiblity, AND so enlightened as to see into what is going on with Shinji. (this is one of the things that makes Kaworu so FRICKIN AWESOME to me...he is a pure being!!) What this means is that the subtext of the Shinji / Kaworu relationship (which is in no way primarily sexual) depends mostly on what _we_ think Shinji is feeling and thinking. I think he is attracted to Kaworu in many ways, as we are, for instance, attracted to those we love in many ways.

love,
Yoshi-kun

[ryezen]

now I have not been following this thread (since i am quite tired of the topic) but after seeing Shinji and Yoshi-kun's responses, I am happy to say that there are others amongst us who still defend (and what a defence!) the fact that Kaworu and Shinji are not "gay"

anyway, I commend you guys for coming up with such answers in - Keep it up guys! :)

[Yoshi-kun]

hehe...I didn't even realize that I was defending that. But I certainly do mean that he is not "just" gay, if you understand the distinction.

love,
Yoshi-kun

[ryezen]

Originally posted by Yoshi-kun
hehe...I didn't even realize that I was defending that. But I certainly do mean that he is not "just" gay, if you understand the distinction.

love,
Yoshi-kun

yes, there is the implication of something other than that - but since I am pretty tired of the subject, I do not wish to delve into the matter any further

[Yoshi-kun]

this topic, if you check the left side of it on the main Chit Chat page, is flaming. Get it, "flaming"? lol! I'm so perceptive and funny!

love!
yoshi-kun

[Gobi]

Originally posted by Yoshi-kun

I consider Kaworu to be so enlightened as to be open to any possiblity, AND so enlightened as to see into what is going on with Shinji. (this is one of the things that makes Kaworu so FRICKIN AWESOME to me...he is a pure being!!)...


...
love,
Yoshi-kun

Nice. Very nice. Those last three-ish words finished the argument perfectly. :)

[jww1477]

Wow - this thread actually came to something after all...

Despite my best efforts.

:heh:

Hmm. Interesting - I thought that all these gay posts were just a nuisance, I shall have to monitor this one more closely.

[shinji]

I just read Yoshi-kun's post, and THANKYOU.
It's good to read someone who doesn't dismiss me as a whacko just because they think Shinji'd be better with Asuka and/or Rei.
You all know what I think - Shinji Ikari is at the least, confused in his sexuality. He is quite probably bi, if not homosexual. I think this is a facet of his character and was always there from day one - Kaworu merely brought it (him?) out. I think Kaworu, being an angel, and therefore free of all the bigortity, hatred and stupidity that envelops mankind was able to love someone completely and wholeheartedly. It didn't matter what sex that person was, but Shinji happened to be male, so Kaworu loved a guy. It seems clear to me, that due to his lack of hang-ups, Kaworu saw physical love (ie sex) as the ultimate expression of the love for his soulmate, and that's something we can probably all agree with.
There. We've gone over all the old issues, brought up every arguement. I have compromised from my initial position; some of what you have said has made me go back over my assumptions, watch a lot of Eva and change my mind.
I've said enough.
Probably.

shinji.

PS. But between you and me, I think Shinji may have carried a little torch for Touji.
Just a parting thought.

[kusinagi-kun]

Originally posted by shinji
PS. But between you and me, I think Shinji may have carried a little torch for Touji.
Just a parting thought.

oh boy. i see a new thread emerging.

~jason