one harsh mononoke review...

[Yebisu Beer Penguin]

i just read one harsh princess mononoke (mononoke hime) review.

read it here.

http://filmcritic.com/misc/emporium.nsf/ddb5490109a79f598625623d0015f1e4/4baf742f36dad6f2882567e2001c4f59?OpenDocument&Highlight=0,mononoke

some of the key quotes from it were...

"...the movie is almost recommendable."

or how about this...

"...in its present state, it's a disappointment that few will enjoy immensely."

OUCH!

:rolleyes:

personally, i loved the movie.

so he can kiss my anime-biased a$$.

:mad:

hehe just kidding!:D

[Escaflowne Chick]

OUCH! That was mean of them! How could they say those mean things? Now I'm angry :mad2:

[bloodgod]

*couf* Monoko hime is only the most seen anime in Japan (actually only toppet by Titanic)

This Athan Bezaitis guy remind me of one of BBC's critics who ALLWAYS complane :vomit: sickening

[orochi X]

Mononoke is a great movie grr:mad:

[Fatal Outlaw]

to tell the truth, i didnt like mononoke, i thought it was stupid! (dont flame me for expressing my opinion, even though if you think my opinion sucks) but mononoke didnt deserve a really bad review like this one though

[Drizzten]

From the review:
Based upon Japanese folklore, Princess Mononoke is the animated story of the war between the encroachment of civilization and the beast gods of the forest. While the forests are being devastated by the Tatara clan, producers of iron, the Great God of the Forest gives power to the other forest gods to protect their domain against the humans in the form of giant animals. Sound confusing? That's just the beginning.
:lol: :lol:
If this guy thinks the plot is confusing, then he's a moron.
More...
Supposedly this film grossed over 150 million dollars in the Japanese box office. The only two other films that have come close are Jurassic Park and Titanic, so one would figure that this film would fare as well with the American audience right? Wrong again. We're so used to basic plots and lots of action in our animated flicks that many Americans will be sleeping in the aisles.

Director Hayao Miyazaki is one of Japan's leading animators. Unfortunately, his rep will not proliferate here in the U.S. without a few changes and some serious editing. The movie does have potential, but in its present state it's a disappointment that few will enjoy immensely.
Wha-? :confused2
What is he trying to say? That it's the fault of the creator that it's more successful in Japan than the US?

Hmm, this guy also reviewed Perfect Blue. http://filmcritic.com/misc/emporium.nsf/ddb5490109a79f598625623d0015f1e4/14c211de96509278882567fe0007a920?OpenDocument *gag* Her based his review on the DUB and called it "crude" and "canned and sappy." Gave it two stars. Bah.

[mrgazpacho]

Originally posted by bloodgod
*couf* Mononoke hime is only the most seen anime in Japan (actually only toppet by Titanic)Actually, the latest Ghibli movie "Sen to Chihiro no Kamikakushi" just passed Titanic in terms of audience figures (because it's aimed at kiddies, the actual takings haven't gone past it yet).

[Yebisu Beer Penguin]

i've been reading a good amount of reviews on different movies from different movie critics...

all i have to say is...

movie critics are HARSH.

actually that might be a good thing...:confused:



i say "we hunt him down" and beat him for his different and ludicrous opinions...:lol:

[Petit Charat]

It's the filmmakers adaptation and production that seems to be at fault. Case in point: The film has some excellent animation, including several background shots that often appear real, but the characters' faces seem far too homogeneous. I could hardly discern between Samurai and peasant. Will someone tell me why our hero Ashitaka looks like he just stepped out of an episode of Speed Racer?


...The FILMMAKERS fault? She dosen't even know who she's talking about...I mean, we are talking about GHILBI and MIYAZAKI! Nothing they do is at fault...:sweatdrop:

And I WONDER why he looks like he stepped out of speed racer? Any suggestions?:rolleyes:

[BigFire]

I'm no huge fan of Mononoke, it being my least favorite Miayzaki film (although that doesn't mean it's bad at all :) )

But this critic is a fool. He's right about it being good for one hour and then going a bit downhill about that, but his comments about Ashitaka's face and the character design reveal him for the ignorant person that he is.

He also doesn't get anywhere near the main problems of the film, which to me are the useless sideplots, and the abrupt ending (although one could say that Laputa and Totoro also end abruptly, they didn't make me feel ripped off like Mononoke did. I thought the ending was a bit of a cop-out)

[So Full of Mercy]

I don't think there's anything about Princess Mononoke I didn't just love, it's my favorite anime movie of all time (until I see more) and well, this man is stupid, but he'll get his... oh yes...

[Fatal Outlaw]

i know the problem! the critic is a girl for crying out loud! girls have no sense!











just kidding...

[So Full of Mercy]

FO, I concur mightily!:heh:

[KardKaptor]

LMAO @ Fatal Outlaw.

The only two other films that have come close are Jurassic Park and Titanic, so one would figure that this film would fare as well with the American audience right? Wrong again. We're so used to basic plots and lots of action in our animated flicks that many Americans will be sleeping in the aisles.

Hmmm......No wonder she found it boring. It had to much of an actual plot happening.

[thedarkmarine]

:music: <--- if that guitar was a shotgun...

[icie]

cool it, peoples. From what I can gather from that review by that Athan d00d (oh, and I couldn't find his email address...so no bombing... :( ), Mononoke could not perform in America because of the following factors:

1) Too long. Americans with low attention span die.
2) Too complex ideas and plots for American's with dim minds.
3) Graphics and pictures that do not fit in with the minds of American's which are used to crappy cartoons.
4) Not enough action for action-addicted Americans. (Huh? Not ENOUGH ACTION???)

I can probably add a few other points:

1) Disney did not do enough to advertise the film, and it was not given a proper fighting chance as such.
2) Many American people and companies have problems with movies that are outside of the small square they live within.

Now, I am not saying ALL AMERICANS are idiots. However, I am saying that the critic should not blame the poor success of Princess Mononoke on the film. Instead, he/she should blame it on the warped American society which cannot accept real ideas.

[PenPen2]

First of all...

I am a girl...

Second of all...

I am an American...

Third of all...

I LOVED PRINCESS MONONOKE...

It's not my favorite... But it's number 4 on my list of favorites. (Evangelion, Ninja Scroll, and Akira top the list for me.)

How can that critic be so stupid? He's basically saying that no American in their right mind would like it... But... EVERYONE I know, in America... That has seen it... Has loved it. And classify it as one of their favorite movies- COUNTING American, crappy, action movies... <sighs deeply> I personally like Anime more than most of the movies I used to like...

Mononoke was the first Anime I saw... And that made me want to watch more... And I've been watching a lot of Anime... Mononoke started it... Evangelion fed the slowly growing addiction. :)

This is the smiley I give the critic... :finger:

[Pen2]

I see it, and raise you one.

http://www.mrcranky.com/movies/princessmononoke.html

Reviews can always get worse.

[EVA Type-R]

No no no. Half the reason they probably didn't like it was because of watching the dubbed version. SUBTITLES, PEOPLE.

Supposedly this film grossed over 150 million dollars in the Japanese box office. The only two other films that have come close are Jurassic Park and Titanic, so one would figure that this film would fare as well with the American audience right? Wrong again. We're so used to basic plots and lots of action in our animated flicks that many Americans will be sleeping in the aisles.

Director Hayao Miyazaki is one of Japan's leading animators. Unfortunately, his rep will not proliferate here in the U.S. without a few changes and some serious editing. The movie does have potential, but in its present state it's a disappointment that few will enjoy immensely.

This guy is either immensly racist against Japanese (unlikely), or immensly stupid. I like the second one better. Here's some comments I have on this.

1. I admit that the plot was a LITTLE tough to follow, but nothing you couldn't figure out without watching more than one time. I mean look at Pulp Fiction. There isn't a man withing 600,000 miles that could understand that without watching it more than once. Lazy bum.

2. This guy makes Americans look like stupid people who eat squirrels for dinner and study the spiritutalness of cheese. Get it right, man. Some can solve 2 + 2.

Every once in a while a movie comes along that is downright frustrating. No matter how badly you want to enjoy it, you end up walking out of the theater feeling deprived. Such is the case with Princess Mononoke (aka Mononoke Hime). Packed with an abundance of creativity and an innovative albeit complicated plot, the movie is almost recommendable. To its credit, it succeeds in captivating the viewer for a good hour, the downside is that the film lasts for almost two and a half. And believe me, that downside is a long slow, slipping down ride.

Cockmongrel. More opinions:

1. Again, this plot isn't that complicated. And there really is no downside to the movie... Except when it ended. I wanted more.

2. What's this? Almost? I think I speak for 7/8 of the people who watched this anime in saying: "You suck." This movie is great. Watch it if you haven't.

That's all for tonight. Gooooodnight everyone.

[icie]

pen2:

cool down. That is a satire site. They diss every single movie to ---- people off. That's what it is for, anyway. IOW, that is a joke site.

[FUnK_THIS_SHIrT]

1) Disney did not do enough to advertise the film, and it was not given a proper fighting chance as such.

i do remember seeing a preview of it a long time ago and forgot to see it, but when i did i almost kicked myself in the crotch for not seeing it

[Kodachi]

There are critics and there are critics... Mononoke got only good reviews around here.

[Eternity]

i thought it was abit weird, and only started to get interesting after the first hour. :sulkoff: i think that disney helped to make that films well.

[PenPen2]

2. This guy makes Americans look like stupid people who eat squirrels for dinner and study the spiritutalness of cheese. Get it right, man. Some can solve 2 + 2.

Spiritutalness of cheese???..............................



:lol: That's a good one! No... Really! ...But I'm an American... And I took offense to this article this moron wrote... :mad2:

Here comes the birdie again... :finger:

[Rulakir]

My advice is to not take the words of critics for granted. Watch the movie yourself and decide whether or not YOU liked it. Critics have guidelines they follow when rating something, so do you and in most cases, it's not always the same. Judge things for yourself; don't let someone else do it for you.

[death]

Critics will allways be critics.

THey cant help it they must find every wrong thing in a move and tell every one about it.

[Pen2]

Originally posted by icie
pen2:

cool down. That is a satire site. They diss every single movie to ---- people off. That's what it is for, anyway. IOW, that is a joke site.


Cool down? I'm not even remotely irritated. I'm perfectly aware that it's a satire site, sweet cheeks. I'm just pointing out that a lot of reviews simply try too hard to be controversial.

[Renard Baines]

Critics know next to nothing. Heck, the movie critic for my local paper is an idiot!

Take his review of Jurassic Park 3....he said Dr. Alan Grant returns as the hero from the past two movies...huh? He wasn't even in the second one!

So, my opinion on most critics is, they mostly suck.

As for the comment eariler on the dubbing, I loved the dubbing in this movie! It's the japanese voices I can't stand! (especially Moro....she sounds like a freaking guy in the japanese version!)

[icie]

your wording made it seem as if it were a "real" critic site. You did not tell us that it was a satire site in your post, and people could have easily taken it seriously and made themselves a fool by posting flames in that site. And no, the "pen2:" part addresses your post, not you. so that "cool down" was for people who read the review and were bursting with anger.

Dont call me "sweet cheeks". It sounds obscene. Which pair are you referring to??!

[Pen2]

Originally posted by icie
Dont call me "sweet cheeks". It sounds obscene. Which pair are you referring to??!

Whichever pair you'd prefer...

Okay, so that sounds bad.

And if you have a look at your post, it does say Pen2: Cool down. Sorry for the confusion there, no harm done I hope. :)

[icie]

n/m does not matter...

[CrashXero]

Well.. I just read the review. I must say that I really enjoy watching Mononke Hime. I think that each time I watch it I learn a little more about life and what it means to some people. I think the movie overall has a wonderful plot and great moral value. Granted, if you don't like anime, or the style of animation, the movie can drag sometimes.
From Review
Will someone tell me why our hero Ashitaka looks like he just stepped out of an episode of Speed Racer?
I'll tell you Mr. Bezaitis... Probably because the only anime you've seen is Speed Racer and that's all you can compare too. I can understand if you live in America and you don't really know or understand Anime and that it can have deep thougtfull meanings, but the movies shouldn't get /THAT/ bad of a review. Overall.. A big thumbs down for Athan Bezaitis...

[mrgazpacho]

Originally posted by Renard Baines
Moro....she sounds like a freaking guy in the japanese version! Moro was voiced by a man in the Japanese version.

[Renard Baines]

That would be why she sounded like a guy :D

But Moro just sounds, weird in Japanese....I just really like the dub of this movie.

[Miss_Misato]

Ironically the critic probably loved The Lion King and Atlantis...

But i will give her some credit, it took me a few times watching to actually get all of the plot down, and there are still some parts I'm a bit shakey on, but that's the American film industry's fault, they make movies too damn shallow, so when a movie comes along with actual depth, people freak out because they actually have to think. Roger Ebert loved mononoke hime because of its depth, but then again, he's also much smarter than the average critic, he knows what anime is...

[Palchan]

"...in its present state, it's a disappointment that few will enjoy immensely."

http://home.iprimus.com.au/mikirob/FF6/Edgar/laugh.gifhttp://home.iprimus.com.au/mikirob/FF6/Edgar/laugh.gifHahahaha, ok, I admit, this statement is very very cruel for this movie. I saw the movie today and loved it, excellent, http://home.iprimus.com.au/mikirob/FF6/Edgar/win.gifhttp://home.iprimus.com.au/mikirob/FF6/Edgar/win.gif but I can think of dozens of other media-in-general that this statement could apply to. Very clever use of words. ^^

[Sastan]

1) Robert Ebert is the only reviewer I take seriously. And lucky for the anime world, he appreciates anime, meaning Mononoke Hima got a very favourable review:


http://www.suntimes.com/ebert/ebert_reviews/1999/10/102904.html

2) What's Speed Racer?

[Drizzten]

Look here (http://www.speedracerdsl.com/speedracer/) for info on Speed Racer. It's a classic Japanese cartoon-anime from the 60's that got a lot of air time in America.

[FayeFayeV]

Speaking of airtime and reviews for Monoke Hime, Toonami ran a review and trailer for it when it first appeared. I know a lot of you are Toonami-flamers, but i like then because they are trying to bring anime to america...but anyway, Toonami gave it a grand review, and they even mentioned something critical that american audiences need to know.."It's NOT for kids, though.." Good thing they mentioned it, becuase you know parents would bring their kids to see a cartoon, and come out thinking.."what have i done? I'm going to write a letter to BAN anime! mwahahahaaa.". And just recently,I was watching Final Fantasy: the Spiritswithin,and a man brought his fouryear old daughter into it andhe started freaking out when the characters diedor swore...and at the end,he scolded his daughter, saying."you're not picking the movie ever again.." Maybe he's the one whoshould have read the PG-13 rating it was given...This just goes to show oyu..most americans are stuck onthe idea that animation is for kids...it's shallow and has the plot of a booger..:mad: I SO wanna move to Japan..

[hell]

I actually prefered watching Perfect Blue to Princess Mononoke. And ive read these reviews. This person doesnt have a clue what they are going on about. If they are going to get people to view and review these anime movies at least have onces who know what they are talking about. They'd be better of getting anime fans to watch them at least we know a good anime when we see it and can give gud/bad coments and advise that others will know are valid enough to take.

[Fenix]

The movie completly rocks! I can't see why they gave Princess Mononoke such bad reviews. Within the first few minutes I was interested. Same with the rest of my family. It's a great movie...and animation doesn't always mean kiddie stuff. Why can't people understand that? :rolleyes:

[genius]

speaking of harsh reviews, i just read this at the imdb:

>Date: 7 July 2002
Summary: Quite Possibly the Worst Movie I've Ever Seen!!!

Quite possibly the worst movie I've ever seen. I'm not going to even express my hatred for this stupid beyond belief anime. The animation is awful. Maybe it's good by Japanese standards, but compared to American movies like Beauty & the Beast and other Disney classics, It's horrible! I can honestly say that with the right equipment, my best friend Ray and I easily could have done some of it. The plot is awful. I could (and have) come up with a better story than that. I don't know why anyone likes this movie. Maybe if all you had watched your whole life was Japanese anime, then maybe you would like it.

Demosthenes<

how he compares mononoke hime to beauty&beast ist realy funny :-)
de gustibus non est disputandum, sed...

[Icantpickascreename]

This is an ignorant person, who is too stubborn to admit it was a good movie, but it was too confusing for his puny brain! :mad:

[thedarkmarine]

Technically, Disney animation is superior to most anime. However, Disney is pure kiddy, shallow crap with little story.

[Marius]

Disney? Pffft.

[thedarkmarine]

Yeah, I couldn't believe it either, but when you think about it, Disney animation is supreme.

[Icantpickascreename]

Well, I think it's time for them to create more "mature" movies, because I'll tell you, the '40's are over...:rolleyes:

[Marius]

Originally posted by Icantpickascreename
Well, I think it's time for them to create more "mature" movies, because I'll tell you, the '40's are over...:rolleyes:

Hell yeah.

True their animation is superior but it's a different style that they use. I don't like it that much. It looks CG instead of being drawn.

[Icantpickascreename]

Yeah...And I defenently think they should get off of the sequels...I mean some of their movies were made 50 years ago and now you have sequels to them?! What's next Bambi 2002?! Bambi's mom survives and he becomes a Rapper of the woods?! I mean come on Disney, pull yourself together!

[ADdispatcher]

Damn that ludacris blasphemor and may he eternally burn in hell for the horrible things he hath spoken!!! :kaioken:

[Destructa]

Originally posted by ADdispatcher
Damn that ludacris blasphemor and may he eternally burn in hell for the horrible things he hath spoken!!! :kaioken:

I hope that becomes true.

[shad0w child]

You know, by saying that the U.S. found the movie too complicated to enjoy is only promoting the fact that our majority is a bunch of idiots.

[RKwannie]

To my, whilst Disney have superior animation. Anime featured movies have much more detail in their art.

You can call it a trade off. Whilst American stuff is generally animated more fluidly, Animes generally have greater detail in their art. Only a few exceptions such as Beauty and the Beast which the art detail can match Anime movies. Then again, it can also be said for certain Anime movies.

This is my opinion tho, so no flamming please.

[icie]

What is the meaning of "more fluid"? The recent foray into 3D effects by Disney?

Full Metal Panic
Spirited Away

to mention a few, also use it to great advantage. Spirited Away, especially, has it extremely well blended in, so well that you don't really notice on first glance.

if you notice, 3D integration has become more and more common with the new anime coming out. The advantage that the American film industry had for the past few years because of their earlier acceptance of 3D effects will be lost. The new anime will have both vivid detail AND fluidity.

The prize for "most fluid" would have to go to Makoto Shinkai's work, most notably Hoshi no Koe. No Treasure Island or Treasure Island 398 can beat it. (Well maybe 398 can, but then if you take into account the technology with time, and the people involved...) Makoto Shinkai managed to make the entire animation himself!

And with his new film coming out in 2003, his mastery will be sealed!



**Actually cannot believe this thread can be resurrected more than 5 or 6 times **

[RKwannie]

I suppose hey? The current Japanese Anime's Animation is getting better and better. I suppose that nowadays, Disney needs CG to help their animation.

I was mainly comparing to say many TV series anime which was released during the 1996 and before era. Whilst the animation was limited. The animes were still gold.