Official Noir discussion

[Seventh Child]

I've watched the first 9 episodes of an awesome anime called Noir, and I think it is one of the best animes I've ever seen. I'm sure that others have watched it as well, so I thought maybe we could get into a discussion. But please, I don't want the ending spoiled, so if you're going to post spoilers, clearly indicate beforehand that you are going to do so. Thanks. :)

(I already uncovered a major spoiler by accident, and now I'm kicking myself for doing so! :p)

[Israfel]

Well, I have only seen 6 eps so please don't spoil me :D

So to kick this thread off I would like to ask a question...

What are the names of the opening and closing themes of Noir...

I think I know the first but the ending theme in my opinion is one of the best songs so please tell me :heh:

[rei-gouki]

* Holding Noir OST 1 in hand *

The OP is called "Copellia no Hitsugi" by Ali Project and;
the ED is called "Kirei na Kanjou" by ... I'm not sure. The Kanji name has a couple of possible readings.

[Israfel]

ah, thanks... So is there/or is there going to be another OST?

[rei-gouki]

Not a clue. I'm just calling it that cuz I heard it somewhere and it stuck. They might actually consider releasing one with the short OP+ED and other stuff, but wouldn't know what else they'd actually include besides the short vers that isn't already on the one I have right here.

[Kaji01]

Ive seen up to 25 episodes and its gets better and better by time...

Spoiler only if u knew whats typed in the blanks...:p

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[rei-gouki]

You mean you haven't seen the last ep and you're already dishing out spoilers!! :nono:

:p j/k

[Israfel]

Originally posted by Kaji01
Ive seen up to all 25 episodes and its gets better and better by time...


Subbed?

[Kaji01]

Originally posted by Israfel


Subbed?

but of course.:)

[Seventh Child]

He would have to have seen all 25 eps subbed, seeing as it hasn't been dubbed yet. :p Unless, he understands raw Jap...

And the 2nd OST of Noir has already been released in Japan. And I know someone has already said this, but the opening theme is called "Kopperia no Hitsuji" (Coppelia's Coffin) and the ending is called "Kirei na Kanjou" (Pretty feeling). And yes, the opening rulz, one of the best I have heard!! I can never get sick of it :D

Ok, so what's everybody's favorite character? (There's only really four to choose from, but anyway...;)) Mine is Mireille. I really like her style and way of handling certain issues.

BTW, anyone got a Noir site? If so, do you want to link? There aren't many English Noir sites out there, so the more there are the better! :)

[Kaji01]

Ok, so what's everybody's favorite character? (There's only really four to choose from, but anyway...;)) Mine is Mireille. I really like her style and way of handling certain issues.

Kirika... :D

BTW, anyone got a Noir site? If so, do you want to link? There aren't many English Noir sites out there, so the more there are the better! :)

http://www.geocities.com/marduk_nerv/noir-main.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/noir/noir.htm
http://infanity.net/noir/04media/04000000media.htm

[Seventh Child]

Thanks Kaji, but I've already been to all those sites you listed, and linked 2 of them. What I meant was have YOU got a Noir site that I can possibly link to. :)

And Kirika is awesome as well. The Noir team is excellent and skilled. :D ;)

[Kaji01]

Originally posted by Seventh Child
Thanks Kaji, but I've already been to all those sites you listed, and linked 2 of them. What I meant was have YOU got a Noir site that I can possibly link to. :)

And Kirika is awesome as well. The Noir team is excellent and skilled. :D ;)

Opps I didnt know that ...Sorry.

oh and Chloei/Cloe is cool too...Shes so dreamy... :inlove:

[Ronin Aquila]

I love Kirika, she's soooo kawaii!! :kawaii: Every time she smiles or cries is a warm moment of tenderness to be treasured. :kawaii:

Also, for those people out there who have seen over half the series, notice how the less firearms you use in this series, the more powerful and fearsome warrior you are...

[^FallenAngel^]

I really like "NOIR" as well!! I've only seen 6 eps, but got addicted to it!!!

My fav character is Kirika, I like her ability... especially in ep 4 i think, where she can pinpoint each people's location... that was awesome! I wish I can do that..... :o

OST's good! I really like "Canta per me", "Snow" and "Zero Hour"!!! Latin singing was groovy!!! :inlove:

[Ronin Aquila]

Wait till you see her fighting with a broadsword!! Truly one of the greatest warriors of the modern age.

[Seventh Child]

Oh, I want to see the rest of the series so much!!! And yeah, in ep 3 with the Albert Dux assasination, it was clever how Kirika thought of putting popcorn on the floor to indicate when ppl were creepin up on them and it was cool how she could sense their position. lol, I love the look on Mireille's face when Kirika fired that first shot without looking and hit a guy :D

[Ronin Aquila]

John Woo would be so proud of his influences upon this series, particularly those found in Episodes 17-18...

[Israfel]

Originally posted by Seventh Child
He would have to have seen all 25 eps subbed, seeing as it hasn't been dubbed yet. :p Unless, he understands raw Jap...


Well, I don't know him that well so... maybe he could have speaked fluent jap :heh:

but now I know otherwise :D

[Ronin Aquila]

Krika could very well be the mightiest "normal" human in anime. In fact, she could very well defeat Himura Kenshin if she fought him on his terms. Don't believe me? Watch Episode 24.

[Seventh Child]

You're just loving making me crave for more eps aren't you Ronin? :D :p

[Ronin Aquila]

True, Ture. I want to succeed where I failed with my dumbass friend who disliked Noir after watching a mere 3 episodes. And that idiot, spoon fed on Stan Lee's Marvel type divas, dared to dismiss Kirika and other kawaii "Big Eyes Small Nose" girls as ugly of all things!!

Sacrilige!! How dare he insult a girl as cute as she is!! :ssj:

Anyhoo... if you thought Trigun or Neon Genesis Evangelion rips your heart out and feeds it to pitbulls, keep watching Noir ... :)

[Kano Miyazawa]

Originally posted by Ronin Aquila
Krika could very well be the mightiest "normal" human in anime. In fact, she could very well defeat Himura Kenshin if she fought him on his terms. Don't believe me? Watch Episode 24.

I don't know about beating Kenshin, but Kirika rules.:kawaii: I just watched episode 24 today and that fight was definetly very cool. I think it's one of the best ones in the series so far. Kirika is awesome; she's my favorite character in Noir.

[Ronin Aquila]

And shes sooooo kawaii !!!!

And Altena the b!tch will BBBBLLLLLLEEEEEEEEDDDD for making her suffer!! :ssj:

[Kaji01]

Originally posted by Kano Miyazawa


I don't know about beating Kenshin, but Kirika rules.:kawaii: I just watched episode 24 today and that fight was definetly very cool. I think it's one of the best ones in the series so far. Kirika is awesome; she's my favorite character in Noir.

Episode 24 was cool but Episode 25 was much better. : P

[Ronin Aquila]

Does Altena the B!tch bleed? Well does she does she :kawaii:

[Seventh Child]

*covers eyes* please no spoilers!!! :p Don't worry, I won't ever ever EVER dismiss Noir as just another anime, its awesome, rivalling Eva in my opnion. Mireille and Kirika are the best!!! :D :)

I want to see more eps!!!

[Ronin Aquila]

Originally posted by Seventh Child
*covers eyes* please no spoilers!!! :p Don't worry, I won't ever ever EVER dismiss Noir as just another anime, its awesome, rivalling Eva in my opnion. Mireille and Kirika are the best!!! :D :)

I want to see more eps!!!

About bloody time someone agrees this series rivals Evangelion !! Kirika is easily the coolest (not to mention cutest :kawaii: ) anime chick within the last decade, and the story line just keeps you screaming for more :D !!

And ah yes, to Altena for making our Darling Kirika suffer so much...

BLEED B!TCH BLEED!! BLEED B!TCH BLEED!! BLEED B!TCH BLEED!! BBBBBLLLLLLEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDD!!

[Kano Miyazawa]

Originally posted by Ronin Aquila


And ah yes, to Altena for making our Darling Kirika suffer so much...

BLEED B!TCH BLEED!! BLEED B!TCH BLEED!! BLEED B!TCH BLEED!! BBBBBLLLLLLEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDD!!

YES!!!!!!!!!!

God! I really do NOT like Altena....
stupid... manipulating... blah blah :mad:

**must see ep 25** :D

[Ronin Aquila]

Originally posted by Kano Miyazawa


YES!!!!!!!!!!

God! I really do NOT like Altena....
stupid... manipulating... blah blah :mad:

**must see ep 25** :D

When the devil is it coming out in Australia, Dammit!!

[Seventh Child]

Originally posted by Ronin Aquila


When the devil is it coming out in Australia, Dammit!!

Not for ages, I presume, it isn't even licensed in the US yet. I hope ADV gets it, and does a good dubbing. I don't want to see Noir destroyed or butchered, altho, I don't know how the dub could possibly compete with the original Jap voices. ;) :D

And yes, Kirika is pretty kawaii. Mireille rocks. Altena sucks :p

[matsu]

yeah i like Mireille.
Kirika is really cool also ^_~ i like the episode (episode 6 i believe)
when Kirika has an emotional conflict, whether to kill the former KGB agent or not. for the first time, she is hesitant with the mission.

[Seventh Child]

Yes, that was ep 6 - Stray Cat and it was a cool ep. Hey, ALL the eps are excellent. How about in ep 8 and 9 (the Intoccabile ones) where we could actually see Mireille afraid of somebody? That really showed that Mireille had some humanity left it her, even after she had killed so many people.

[Ronin Aquila]

Mireille is also hinted to be able to lov (or once been able to) as shown in the episode when Kirika befriends a decorated war hero who is now a peaceful artist.

Poor Kirika-Chan :bawling:

Hmm, "1111" post? It might be a very auspicious omen....

[^FallenAngel^]

I've just watched Noir 9-12! I'm still addicted to it!

It's getting much more interesting now.... since Soldats are involved.... hehehe... gradually showing their faces... :lol:

I really want to know what's going to happen.... sooo tempted to read summaries... ahhhh....

In a way, Chloe remind me of Kirika in the beginning... no emotions, just kill! Like a doll.... :(

[Ronin Aquila]

Originally posted by ^FallenAngel^

I really want to know what's going to happen.... sooo tempted to read summaries... ahhhh....



Don't, for being rudely shocked by the plot curveballs that the writers throw at you is part of the fun of watching this series :kawaii:

[rei-gouki]

Originally posted by Seventh Child
Not for ages, I presume, it isn't even licensed in the US yet. I hope ADV gets it, and does a good dubbing. I don't want to see Noir destroyed or butchered, altho, I don't know how the dub could possibly compete with the original Jap voices. ;) :D


I don't know about ADV... They did a reasonable dub with Eva but added a load of bull which confused the sh*t out of the Eva fans that took it as canon. Then there was that ---- up with BGC2040. IMO, ADV is too big to get it right in the dub side of things. I'm still with the mob that dubbed MKR when it comes to dubbing. However, it seems that skimmed when they made the DVDs 'cause there wasn't any previews or omake, at least in MKR II.

Originally posted by ^FallenAngel^
In a way, Chloe remind me of Kirika in the beginning... no emotions, just kill! Like a doll....
IMO, Cloe has emotions. She uses it to pursue the title of Noir with zest. :) ... I can't believe I actually used the word 'zest'.

[Seventh Child]

Originally posted by Ronin Aquila


Don't, for being rudely shocked by the plot curveballs that the writers throw at you is part of the fun of watching this series :kawaii:

*cry* must....fight...urge....to...spoil...series!!! :p

Oh, pls I need more Noir!! I think I'm going to go crazy if I don't get my Noir fix soon!! :p

Oh, and rei-gouki, I guess ADV has gotten pretty bad since Eva. IMO, the Eva dub wasn't too bad. The BGC2040 wasn't too crash-hot tho. And, yes, you used the word "zest", lol :p

[Nairohe]

Anyone got an idea who coopeila is? erm... remember the opening song that goes Coopeila's coffin? i know it has something to do with the series itself how they're assassins... erm...

as for Noir... i was looking around and found a film about two femme fetale assassins... er... but its got nothing to do with the anime... I know noir stands for two goddesses responsilble for death... something like that... i'm ranting... ^^

[rei-gouki]

Copellia is Italian. I don't know if it's a name or not, though. If I have time, I'll look into a Italian dictionary.

Noir is French and it means black. What it stands for is a separate matter that has already been stated.

[Seventh Child]

Yes, Noir represents something else entirely in the series, it is irrelevant what the real, literal meaning of the french word "Noir" is. Part of what Noir is is descirbed at the beginning of each ep:

"Noir...
The derivation of the word means fate which will follow death
Two women who are harbingers of death....
The black hands over the green fields (?? can't remember this line)
Please protect the peace"

Something along those lines is said at the beginning of each ep. :)

[Ronin Aquila]

Actually, the word otome means "maiden" or "virgin."

Hence Noirs are " maidens who are harbringers of death.

One of the few flawed translations of the otherwise excellent "Soldats" fansubbing group.

[Westlo]

i've been following this series for a while and though haven't even seen ep one (hangs head in shame) i know how popular it is over irc.

my question is how was the ending to this series i've had 5 positive opinions and no negitives so far.

though ep 26 is pretty new it got fansubbed like 2-3 days ago or something

anyone here seen it, can they tell there view with and without spoileers

[Kaji01]

Originally posted by Westlo
i've been following this series for a while and though haven't even seen ep one (hangs head in shame) i know how popular it is over irc.

my question is how was the ending to this series i've had 5 positive opinions and no negitives so far.

though ep 26 is pretty new it got fansubbed like 2-3 days ago or something

anyone here seen it, can they tell there view with and without spoileers

I only saw half of epi 26 but im not done with dl it yet...So dont ruin it for me.:D

[Ronin Aquila]

The person who spoils the ending for us will be tied up with duct tape along with a hairdryer plugged in a wall socket and switched on and tossed into a bathtub full of water :lol:

[Seventh Child]

Yes, the person who spoils the series for anyone will get punished...severely :D :p We'll hire out Mireille and Kirika to assasinate them! ;) :p

Oh, and I got that translation for the #bakaMX fansubs. :)

[rei-gouki]

Wooo, the translation. I wouldn't mind a copy.

[Seventh Child]

I'm confused. Why would you want the translation for? You can just read it off the bottom of the screen. Unless, you're talking about the script. ;) :D

[rei-gouki]

Translation or script, both are good. I currently have neither nor do I have a copy of the eps in question.

... wait, what's the difference by your definition? :confused:

[Seventh Child]

Not much of a difference in the English translation and script, except some fansubbers may get different interpreations of certain words, but I was actually just talking about the original Japanese script.

[rei-gouki]

Oh. Actually, I wouldn't mind if the script was in Japanese either. It'll let me test my knowledge of Japanese.

[Seventh Child]

well, sorry, but I'm not really sure where to find one. Have you tried various anime script sites? :)

[random1377]

Originally posted by rei-gouki


I don't know about ADV... They did a reasonable dub with Eva but added a load of bull which confused the sh*t out of the Eva fans that took it as canon. Then there was that ---- up with BGC2040. IMO, ADV is too big to get it right in the dub side of things. I'm still with the mob that dubbed MKR when it comes to dubbing. However, it seems that skimmed when they made the DVDs 'cause there wasn't any previews or omake, at least in MKR II.


IMO, Cloe has emotions. She uses it to pursue the title of Noir with zest. :) ... I can't believe I actually used the word 'zest'.

Last I heard, ADV decided NOT to pick up the rights to Noir. The way I heard it, they were in negotiations to get it, and something went wrong so they dropped it ((shrug)) then again, you can't believe everything you read on the net. ;)

As for Chole, I just watched ep 11 (I think the third ep with her in it) and at no time did I get the impression that she was emotionless. I got the impression that she was a cool and methodical killing mechine... the 'true Noir' :P

[Kaji01]

Originally posted by Ronin Aquila
The person who spoils the ending for us will be tied up with duct tape along with a hairdryer plugged in a wall socket and switched on and tossed into a bathtub full of water :lol:

Then ill be the first one then...:p

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The ending was alright I guess but it left me confuse and some unanswer questions.

I actually felt sorry for Artena *dodges rotten Tomatoes thrown at me*If u seen it there was one scene where a soldier gets her in a bed and *ahem*rapes her.
and Im kinda ---- because they didnt even use the swords which I was hoping they would.
and if im not mistaken wasnt this the first episode where they were against females and not males?
Oh and what u guys all waited for Artena dies.
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[Seventh Child]

Thanks for the warning Kaji. I didn't read your post :)

[Ronin Aquila]

Hands up who thinks SBS ought to televise Noir after it is officially subtitled? :kawaii:

Or when all else fails, (shudder) maybe even have it screened on "Adult Swim' to get international recognition?

[[EVA 0-0]Rei Ayanami]

WOW!

When i recieved this anime last week, I hadnt heard of it, and i didnt think much of its title either. But hell, im only upto episode 9 and I think it could be one of those all time greats up there with NGE, Bebop. Its just brimmin with style and class, and a fabulous Soundtrack to boot. Im glad i dont have to wait too long for the rest of the series, cos it should be with me mid week. Other than that ive still got up to 16 to watch.

WOW

Definitely one of the best anime TV series ive seen in a long long long long long time :D

Noir: the movie, roll on!!

[bravejaf]

I just finished #9 and I love this series. It is becoming one of my all-time favorite series. The two main characters are great and the music is excellent. I especially love the BGM in episode 1 when Mireille is having the flashback. That is my all-time favorite piece of BGM. I also really like Kirika's character. So much depth in this show. I hope some company licenses it soon so I can get the DVD's.

[Ronin Aquila]

I love you, Kirika-Chan!! :kawaii:

[[EVA 0-0]Rei Ayanami]

Any one else get the feeling that Kikira and Chloe would make a better team?

Both a bit mad, and both damn good at killin :)

Where as Meirielle she could erm, be their skantily clad secretary :p

Ive only seen upto ep16 so far btw, i hear in ep17 Merielle proves her worth. :D

/me looks forward to it

[Ronin Aquila]

Here's an analogy of our Darling Kirika-Chan for those who are unitiated to the marvelous world of Noir :

"Maehara Shinobu of Love Hina on PMS."

Till Next Time Take Care Of Yourselves And Each Other. :kawaii:

[Seventh Child]

Originally posted by [EVA 0-0]Rei Ayanami
Any one else get the feeling that Kikira and Chloe would make a better team?

Both a bit mad, and both damn good at killin :)

Where as Meirielle she could erm, be their skantily clad secretary :p

Ive only seen upto ep16 so far btw, i hear in ep17 Merielle proves her worth. :D

/me looks forward to it

Hey, don't diss Mireille!!! :p :D She's my favorite character/assasin, and I don't think she needs to prove anything! :p She's a professional, excellent assassin, but Kirika is awesome as well :)

[Westlo]

can anyone say how good or bad the ending to noir is without spoliers?

[Ronin Aquila]

One word:

Poifect!! :kawaii:

[random1377]

Question on The Ending...


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So... did they die or not? :P

[Yui_Reborn]

Saw the first episode of Noir. There were some things I really liked, and some things that I felt could have been better, but overall it whet my appetite for the rest of the series.

About the good: Style over substance, but oh what style. A lot of thought obviously went into the mood and presentation of the show, obviously the background music and animation. Seeing as I've only seen the first episode, my opinion that it's style over substance may very well change when the story starts developing a bit more. Character designs for Mireiyu (sp?) and Kirika were very detailed and attractive, although Kirika reminded me that Rei Ayanami has been the most iconic and influential character design in the recent histor of anime. Even though the details are different, she has that lost look, that Zen quality, that made Rei so unbelievably popular. Mireiyu is an interesting design because you don't see anime main characters with long flowing blonde hair too often. Some shots of her made her look a bit too big-eyed and young for the characters personality, but otherwise it's all good.

The music was great, as everyone invariably mentions with this show, and I'm a fan of classical/techno type stuff so I definitely want this soundtrack. Unfortunately, BECAUSE the music is so good and distinctive, it upstaged whatever was going on onscreen. Also, most background music is just that; it just fades into the background, because it matches the action on screen. This music all sounds like individual tracks rather than background music, and because of that you realize how many times they repeat the same melodies. In only the first episode I noticed them playing variations on the same two or three tunes (including the pocketwatch tune-blech) at least twice through each. This could develop into a problem if they don't vary the selection of music more, although until I see the rest of the series there's no point in worrying about it. I am looking forward to hearing more of the BGM though.

The Good and the Bad-direction. This show has obviously been influenced by Eva and Lain, which isn't saying much considering every anime in the past five years seems to be inspired by at least Evangelion. The languid pacing in some parts, the constant close ups, the long awkward silences-I like it when anime take a more experimental, live action style approach to direction rather than having every second taken up with action and dialogue, but in some cases it seemed forced, an attempt to create drama that isn't really in the story by using directorial tricks. When Mireiyu finds Kirika at the building site (whatever that was), they must spend about thirty seconds focusing on both characters faces, back and forth. There really isn't that much drama here because we don't know anything about either of these characters yet, or why they're meeting like this is significant, yet the direction is show-offy and saying "Look at the dramatic pause! This here is an important scene!"

Again, once the story gears up this problem could dissapear, since dramatic direction works when something is actually happening.

The bad: The story. How many times have we seen cute girls who are actually the best assasins on the planet? How many times have we seen a psuedo-reliegious spin put on an anime to make the plot seem more interesting ("these two women will be the harbingers of death, blah blah blah, we watched Eva a lot")? How many times have we seen generic, heartless men in suits get gunned down no matter how they outnumber the heroines, no matter how they constantly have a totally clear line of fire and miss while the heroines always get them in one shot? and How many times have we seen the villians made out to be practicually inhuman drones with no redeeming qualities, to get around the moral conundrum that cool gunfights invariably end up with people dying?

Once again, this is based on the first episode, and should not be taken as a condemnation of the series Noir. I welcome anyone to point out to me how the series improves on these points, or why I'm wrong about some of them. I hesitated to even post about this series at first, because when other people come onto the forums and say how they hate such-and-such series, I'm often the first to point out that what anime people like is a highly subjective subject. However, it seems kind of ridiculous that I wouldn't want to discuss my impression of an anime, in a forum for discussing our opinions of anime, because I might be hurting someone's feelings or something. And considering this whole thread has been full of nothing but glowing praise for Noir, it didn't seem like such a bad idea to play devil's advocate and drum up some discussion about the merits of the show.

Anyone?

[Kaji01]

Originally posted by random1377
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So... did they die or not? :P

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I dont think they died. The gun shot at the end of the episode was pretty strange but I dont know what it was suppose to mean?
Probably symbolic ...I have no clue.

[Seventh Child]

Originally posted by Yui_Reborn
The bad: The story. How many times have we seen cute girls who are actually the best assasins on the planet? How many times have we seen a psuedo-reliegious spin put on an anime to make the plot seem more interesting ("these two women will be the harbingers of death, blah blah blah, we watched Eva a lot")? How many times have we seen generic, heartless men in suits get gunned down no matter how they outnumber the heroines, no matter how they constantly have a totally clear line of fire and miss while the heroines always get them in one shot? and How many times have we seen the villians made out to be practicually inhuman drones with no redeeming qualities, to get around the moral conundrum that cool gunfights invariably end up with people dying?

Once again, this is based on the first episode, and should not be taken as a condemnation of the series Noir. I welcome anyone to point out to me how the series improves on these points, or why I'm wrong about some of them. I hesitated to even post about this series at first, because when other people come onto the forums and say how they hate such-and-such series, I'm often the first to point out that what anime people like is a highly subjective subject. However, it seems kind of ridiculous that I wouldn't want to discuss my impression of an anime, in a forum for discussing our opinions of anime, because I might be hurting someone's feelings or something. And considering this whole thread has been full of nothing but glowing praise for Noir, it didn't seem like such a bad idea to play devil's advocate and drum up some discussion about the merits of the show.

Anyone?

You've raised some very interesting and valid points, but I'm so blinded by my love for Noir right now that I can't flaw it. ;)

Noir may have possibly been inspired by Eva and maybe a few other animes, but I feel that it is rather different from most of the series being made nowadays. For example, Noir is set around Europe and some other places, while most animes revolve around Tokyo/Japan. This is obviously a refreshing change, and I don't know if you noticed this, but quite a few songs in Noir have a"frenchy" feel to it which really suits the mood.

Anyway, my Noir OST 1 arrived yesterday and it is an excellent CD. :) I can't wait to ger the 2nd and 3rd one (when it is released) :)

[wstml32]

Hi guys is it ok if i ask a few questions?
1)Seeing as Noir appears to have female charecters in the leading roles does that mean Noir is aimed at female anime fans?
2)How many episodes are there in the Noir series?
3)When is Noir coming to Australia?

I hope my questions arent too anoying.

[Schizm]

1. Wouldn't it be logical for female characters to be used to attract a male audience? You make me wonder, wstml32. Are you 'that way'?

2. Noir has 26 episodes, which is the standard number.

3. Noir won't be in Australia officially for some time yet, but the fansubs are here.

It is not your questions that are annoying. It is you :lol:

[Kaji01]

Originally posted by wstml32

1)Seeing as Noir appears to have female charecters in the leading roles does that mean Noir is aimed at female anime fans?
Yep...and maybe guys too.

Oh and check out this pic...
http://www20.big.or.jp/~x-black/cp/riku/picture08.jpg
Dont know who she is dress up to be ...Hmmm Meirielle?

2)How many episodes are there in the Noir series?
26

3)When is Noir coming to Australia?
cha...dont know.


Westlo

can anyone say how good or bad the ending to noir is without spoliers?

Good in my opinion .

[wstml32]

Whos that picture of, one of the VA's?
26 episodes, how is it that all you guys have seen it or have yous only seen a few episodes?

This is what really bugs me, i want to see all these cool animes but the stupid anime distributors wont get of thier backsides and distribute them.
So when Noir finally does hit Australian shores who will distribute it Madman or Manga Entertainment?

I suppose im a huge fan of bgc2040 and the main chatecters in that are female so i dont see why i wouldnt like Noir.
BTW:are the female charecters in Noir drop dead gorgeous?:p ;)

[Kaji01]

Originally posted by wstml32
Whos that picture of, one of the VA's?
No. Shes a cosplayer.Probably a fan ...

26 episodes, how is it that all you guys have seen it or have yous only seen a few episodes?

Fansubs...

BTW:are the female charecters in Noir drop dead gorgeous?:p ;)
No Comment. : P

[Yui_Reborn]

About the pic, maybe Mireiyu dresses like that at one point or something, but that dress is DEFINITELY Aya Brea's from the playstation game Parasite Eve.

I just was yellin' and screamin' about Noir for like ten paragraphs! Let's discuss it yo! *pointing gun with Kirika-like accuracy-but at least if I shoot you, you won't bleed!*

[Kaji01]

Originally posted by Yui_Reborn
About the pic, maybe Mireiyu dresses like that at one point or something, but that dress is DEFINITELY Aya Brea's from the playstation game Parasite Eve.

Are u sure the gun looks alot like an Walther P99...The some one Meirielle uses.

I may have have not seen that epi but I think Meirielle wears a black dress once... If im right...:confused:

Or is it vi versa...?

[random1377]

Originally posted by Kaji01


Are u sure the gun looks alot like an Walther P99...The some one Meirielle uses.


That's definitely Aya Brea... how do I know? Well, for one thing the pic was circulated about 2 years ago -- well before Noir ever aired. For another... it comes from a Parasite Eve fan page. :D

Oh, and I think it's a Baretta she's holding...

[wstml32]

So if Noir is 26 episodes long and youve seen the entire series via fansub then you folks must be pretty darn rich.
I wish i had some money so i could splash out and buy some anime.

[Kaji01]

EDIT: opss wrong person....

Thx 4 clearing it up Random.


From wstml32
So if Noir is 26 episodes long and youve seen the entire series via fansub then you folks must be pretty darn rich.

We download Fansubs off the web...Well Many of us.

[wstml32]

Oh i see i thought yous meant you bought the fansubs.
But still dowloading 26 episiodes is a pretty big task.
Wouldnt the fansubs take up a huge amount of hard disk space?

[random1377]

Originally posted by wstml32
Oh i see i thought yous meant you bought the fansubs.
But still dowloading 26 episiodes is a pretty big task.
Wouldnt the fansubs take up a huge amount of hard disk space?

((whispers)) CD Burner... :P

[wstml32]

I see.:) thanks for that random1377.:)
I think id better buy a cd burner.:p

So with these fansubs are they subbed?

[random1377]

Originally posted by wstml32

So with these fansubs are they subbed?

<bows> I'm sorry... but I cannot resist the temptation to comment -- that's what the sub part of fansub stands for, buddy!! ;)

[wstml32]

Oh yeah geez im an idiot.:p
So have any of you folks seen the entire series?
What did you think of it?

[random1377]

I've seen it all (watched Ep 26 today, as a matter of fact). Great series in my opinion. Bit slow at times, but for 26 eps, what do you expect? ;)

HATED the last 20 seconds of the last ep.... HATED it!!! :mad:

[wstml32]

Are there any male charecters in the series?

So how would you rate Noir in comparison to other animes? Is it up there with best of them?

[random1377]

Originally posted by wstml32
Are there any male charecters in the series?

So how would you rate Noir in comparison to other animes? Is it up there with best of them?

No, there are no major male characters in Noir. Some male bit-parts, but that's it.

I would rank it up there pretty high. Some of the best fight scenes I've ever seen (especially in ep 20... <shiver> DAMN that was cool!! :) )

I'd put Noir in my top 10. Not sure if it makes the top 5... need to watch it again.. :P

[Ronin Aquila]

I am ssssooooo going to add Noir to my DVD collection!! For a film student and a martial artist/combat enthusiast, it is invaluable source material.

Kirika-Chan is the best!! :kawaii:

Also, a good comparison to Noir in sheer terms of gritty, dark action would be Ninja Scroll. :kawaii:

[Yui_Reborn]

So Ronin, are you going to buy the Region 2 DVD's of Noir (assuming they're come out)? Or are you planning to wait for a US or Aus release (sorry forgot where you live:D )

Right now, Noir isn't licensed by anyone (apparently the Japanese company is asking a lot for it, and no one seems willing to pay the asking price-YET.)

I'm also an appreciator of good animated fight scenes (and good manga fight scenes, because I'm trying to get ideas for my own manga project and I know very little about martial arts), so regardless of my 'problems' with Noir, it's probably worth watching just for that.

.............and this after I just reamed everybody out about bloodless violence on the other Noir thread.......:lol:

[wstml32]

Yui_Reborn
What countries are included in region 2?:confused:
It looks like it will be a very long time before Noir is released in Australia/America if the rights to the dubbed version havent been bought yet.
BTW: good luck on your manga project Yiu.:)

Before i go does anyone know of some good Noir websites?

[rei-gouki]

Originally posted by Yui_Reborn
So Ronin, are you going to buy the Region 2 DVD's of Noir (assuming they're come out)? Or are you planning to wait for a US or Aus release (sorry forgot where you live:D )Lives down here around Melb. I think the first DVD is out... need to check it w/ my issue of Newtype.
Originally posted by Yui_Reborn
Right now, Noir isn't licensed by anyone (apparently the Japanese company is asking a lot for it, and no one seems willing to pay the asking price-YET.)I heard ADV juped the gun in their announcement before the deal was finalised and pissed off the Japanese contingent so they with drew... not that I even want to consider them dubbing it if their gonna do a ---- job like with BGC2040 after a passable one with Eva. :mad:

wstml32: I know of the existence of 2 Noir sites only...
http://www.jvcmusic.co.jp/m-serve/tv/noir/index.html
http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/noir/index.htm

First is Japanese, second is... I'm pretty sure it's at least mostly English.

[Seventh Child]

wstml, Region 2 includes Japan and Europe. R1 is the US/Canada, and R4 is Aust/NZ.

Ronin, I really want to add Noir to my DVD collection as well, but I think I'll wait until at least the US release. I love this anime so much! :)

As for Noir websites, I know a few besides the ones already listed:

fayevalentine.net/noir
www.infanity.net/noir
www.traumatic.nu/nerv/noir

And I've also made a small Noir site, myself: :)

www.angelfire.com/realm/fightersofdestiny

[Ronin Aquila]

I will skin the motherf^ckers alive if they dare give our darling Kirika-Chan a bad dub voice. Especially if it is Hillary Haag!!

Till Next Time Take Care Of Yourselves And Each Other. :kawaii:

[Seventh Child]

ROFL!!! Hilary Haag as Kirika?! Please no!! C'mon they couldn't do that, Kirika is not that sort of happy, boppy person! ;) :p


Speaking of which, they had better not stuff up Mireille's perfect voice... ;) :)

[Ronin Aquila]

A sweet, sad and gentle voice like Amanda Winn Lee's would be more appropriate for Kirika-Chan, don't you think? :kawaii:

Till Next Time Take Care Of Yourselves And Each Other. :kawaii:

[Seventh Child]

lol, ronin, yes Amanda Winn Lee would be more appropriate for Kirika, but then ppl will complain that Kirika reminds them of Rei! :p

[Ronin Aquila]

Personally, I think of Kirika-Chan as "Rei Done Right." Ayanami Rei would have been much more kawaii than she was, and Kirika-Chan shows how cute a "sad' girl really can be. :kawaii:

Till Next Time Take Care Of Yourselves And Each Other. :kawaii:

[rei-gouki]

So what you're saying is that you'd prefer the Rei of the manga more than the Rei of the anime, right?

Anyway, Rei just doesn't have the capriciousness(sp) in her personality to be cuter than she is. In her role, that is perfect.

[Ronin Aquila]

Rei does not even have a soul, for crying out loud!! She is but a piece of meat grown in a tank, to be churned out as needed.

Kirika-Chan, however, has a soul to begin with, lost as it is in the begining. And her journey to its ultimate rediscovery is truly touching and heart warming.

Till Next Time Take Care Of Yourselves, And Each Other. :Kawaii:

[wstml32]

So if you folks dont mind me asking how have you gone about seeing Noir? Have you 1)downloaded the episodes of the net or 2)have you bought them on fansub?
If 1 do you have broadband Internet access?
If 2 where did you buy them from. I know that Tamarket sells Noir but they dont say the price for some strange reason.

While im here may i ask you good people why there arent any male charecters in Noir? Isnt that a tad sexist?
Is this where anime is heading with animes having females as the main charecters?

BTW: thanks for the links Seventh Child.:)

[Schizm]

Tamarket fansubs cost $6. Says so on the Fansub page...........Baka :D

[Ronin Aquila]

Hmm, one may say that it is not as much sexist as that male characters do not play any significant roles towards the narrative. And even if it is reverse-sexist, it dosen't matter...

Because Kirika-Chan is ssssooooo kawaii!! :kawaii:

Till Next Time Take Care Of Yourselves And Each Other. :kawaii:

[Eddy]

Well for something that is kawai it sure does have a weird name....

[Ronin Aquila]

No No No, Silly Billy!! :kawaii:

Only Kirika-Chan (and the kitten that she picks up in Russia) are the kawaii parts of Noir. But Kirika-Chan's cuteness alone makes the show worth watching. :kawaii:

Till Next Time Take Care Of Yourselves And Each Other. :kawaii:

[MrT]

I've watched the whole series now. All in all, the fansub was top notch. The bit rate was high enough that it didn't look half bad on my projector. Since people were asking ealier in the thread, I found an FTP site in IRC.

I can't wait for this to come out on DVD to re-watch. I'm have mixed feelings about ADV not doing NOIR though. They do a good job on most of their releases and include a fair ammount of additional material but I think don't think they go the extra mile on the actual transfer. (i.e. Anamorphic Transfers, etc.) Not to pick on ADV, they do average to above average work. I'd just like to see Noir distributed in the best way possible.






** Minor Spoiler








Question on the last episode, the two gun shots at the very end? I feel like I've revisting the "Is Mr. Pink Dead?" debate. What gives? Symbolic or what?

[rei-gouki]

Originally posted by MrT
Question on the last episode, the two gun shots at the very end? I feel like I've revisting the "Is Mr. Pink Dead?" debate. What gives? Symbolic or what?
Aaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!

Spoiler Warning PLEASE!!! :mad: :kaioken:

[Takahashi]

Most dissapointing episodes ever, episode 8 and 9. Just watched it and I don't get it, I mean what so special about that intoccabile woman? She's a sweet misunderstood little girl compared to most other anime character(or regular movies for that matter). I especially don't like the way people reacts when they hear her name, like she some kind of saint:dodgy:
Whats with Mireille anyway, I went like WTF!!! it a shot within 10 feet radius, make the shot!!! Hell I could pop the woman between the eyes with a rock from that short distant. This did not just happen once it happens twice!

[MrT]

I don't know if I'd call them disapointing. But it did provide a little more background into Mireille and her family, and it's roots to "legitiment italian businessmen". :)

I think the episode was designed to make you ask hard questions about the characters. It also showed that up until that point most of the most of the gunmen were the Red Shirts from Star Trek.

Best episode...no...of course not. But it has it's purpose.

[Takahashi]

Well they atleast could have made it interesting, for start they could get rid of intoccabile the "you should not get involved with" line, sounds really stupid, made me think she Vash the Stampe or something. For god sake, if they are creating a bigger than god character atleast give the woman some skills and some weapons, shees:dodgy:. I am gonna pee my pants looking at that knife, while holding my magnum or whatever gun, oh please:dodgy:.
True it does have plotline value, but thats about it, I think her henchman are far more dangerous than she is. Why does Mireille hesistate to kill intoccabile(whatever the name was, its rather lame), seems she has no problem killing anybody who rush her with a machine gun, but ooh a knife and she choaked?:dodgy:

[rei-gouki]

The Intoccabile did have a skill. It was the power to instil fear and awe.

And Mireille's fear has its roots in her childhood. How many phobia's from your childhood have you overcome?

[Takahashi]

Originally posted by rei-gouki
The Intoccabile did have a skill. It was the power to instil fear and awe.

And Mireille's fear has its roots in her childhood. How many phobia's from your childhood have you overcome?

Ooh, thats some skills, can you actually believe what you just wrote there? Now Batman instil fear into you, that woman looks like an innocent little teenager. I could woop her ass with my bearhands, does that sound like fear to you?

As for childhood fears, I have overcome;
Fear of heights
Fear of the dark
Fear of closed room, yes I was afraid to go to the toilet when I was young.
Fear of driving on the road(this one was recent)

The only thing I wouldn't touch now is a snake or a rodent, maybe its not fear but more of disgust, I have no trouble of picking up a dead rat up with plastic bag.

[Ronin Aquila]

Actually, let us not forget that Intocabile also has a reputation throughout the last decade since her meeting with Mirelle of slaying a multitude of VERY dangerous men, most likely accompanied by men armed with heavy automatic weaponary or armed so themselves, with but her dagger.

In this age of advanced firearms, it would be most unusual if reputations of such a degree of skill in the martial arts did not inspire fear in other creatures of the underworld, who come to rely on such technology.

[Takahashi]

Originally posted by Ronin Aquila
Actually, let us not forget that Intocabile also has a reputation throughout the last decade since her meeting with Mirelle of slaying a multitude of VERY dangerous men, most likely accompanied by men armed with heavy automatic weaponary or armed so themselves, with but her dagger.

In this age of advanced firearms, it would be most unusual if reputations of such a degree of skill in the martial arts did not inspire fear in other creatures of the underworld, who come to rely on such technology.

Like I said all talk and no play makes intoccabile a very dull and useless little girl. Now if she has Chloe ability with a dagger or a knife than I am OK with that, but come on she was disarmed and she didn't even notice it, makes you wonder why Noir didn't just blow one through her head instead of the knife?:dodgy: I think the killing has been done by her henchman and all she ever did was stabbing unarmed old men, shees whats the skill in that.

[Ronin Aquila]

Kirika-Chan was well aware of the fact that a head shot would have taken care of business then. However, such was the velocity that the blade travelled at that had she not broke it with her bullet, it would have entered Mirelle's solar plexus as Intocabile's final action even if the bullet did hit the skull. To an expert like Kirika-Chan, this was the most logical course of action to save Mirelle's life.

[rei-gouki]

Originally posted by Takahashi
Ooh, thats some skills, can you actually believe what you just wrote there? Now Batman instil fear into you, that woman looks like an innocent little teenager. I could woop her ass with my bearhands, does that sound like fear to you?
Heheh, you're afraid of Batman. :lol:
That innocent little teenager has history and reputation. Mireille even had a close encounter with her dangerous personality as a child so she knows much of the reputation isn't just rumour.

Originally posted by Takahashi
As for childhood fears, I have overcome;
Fear of heights
Fear of the dark
Fear of closed room, yes I was afraid to go to the toilet when I was young.
Fear of driving on the road(this one was recent)

The only thing I wouldn't touch now is a snake or a rodent, maybe its not fear but more of disgust, I have no trouble of picking up a dead rat up with plastic bag.
Anything actually scary?? :P
Seriously, did you grow out of it? Or slowly convince yourself it isn't actually scary? How much time you think Mireille spent trying to get over the fear of Intoccabile considering she thought she wouldn't have to face her again?

I suppose the best question is "What you fear now: is it from reputation and rumours, or fact?" I doesn't even have to be fear. It could be worship or respect.


Ronin: :up: Right on! Exactly what i was thinking! Creepy.

[Ronin Aquila]

Are you a Martial Artist too, Mr Rei-Gouki? :kawaii:

[rei-gouki]

Me? No. But I do have a good mind for 3D motion... well, at least it hasn't exactly failed me yet.

[Takahashi]

The big idea of batman is he is a menace with a black belt in Jujitsu and has some ninja skill and he would woop your ass with it, if you stand face to face with him I think you would probably pissed your pants, as for intoccabile you could probably trip her before she even can draw that little kitchen knife(yes my mother has a set of knife that are way bigger than that). Let me tell you, she could of made the head shot way before the charge, thus render intoccabile useless, she chosed to wait for Mireille to take action how unprofessional is that. Then from the moment she charge there is about three seconds to make the head shot, as intoccabile is hit in the side of her head, the logical action is to fall to the left side and not forward as you have predicted. The only time that it would seem too late is if the weapon has already been halve inserted into Mireille and that is not the case here.

[rei-gouki]

And how many would fear him because they knew his skills? He relies on that costume of he for most of the scarin', right before he gets close enough to "woop your ass".

Little kitchen knife? Sheesh, it's a knife, not a short sword. No craftsman would bother decorating the scabbard(sp) of anything larger. Not if he/she wanted to make a living. And not to speak ill of females, but Intoccabile is one and how much knife could she actually wield effectively anyway.

Kirika shoot first? Not likely since Mireille had her gun out. Mireille hadn't failed to fire before so why should Kirika assume any different?

Shoot before the charge? Talk about rude. They were having a nice chat. How would you like it if Kirika shot someone you were hoping to get information from, mid-conversation?

Body following the head? Not as much as you think. A bullet to the head is likely go right through, taking most of the kinetic energy with it. The momentum she had would have carried her to her target, regardless.

[Ronin Aquila]

Better to have an enemy alive to give you information than a dead one who cant.... :)

[oppa]

Awesome series. I finished this a while back but never noticed this thread here in General ....silly me.

Although there are some "been there, done that" type storytelling and animation within Noir, overall, it still had a flair of originallity and mainly, it had good character development and history. There were some dry moments, but then all anime has that here in there, especially in a 26 ep. series.

Hell, just after watching the first few episodes, I had alreadly felt Noir would be in my top ten. I don't really have an official top ten, but if I did, it would be there for sure. :D

I will say there is one large disappointment that I had...

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After watching up to episode 25, and seeing as how this whole series had a somewhat depressing mood to it, and especially with what went on IN episode 25 ....I was TOTALLY expecting a sad, if not VERY sad (but still good) ending to this incredible series. But, as we who have seen the last episode know ...the ending was actually quite ...quite ...happy, in a way. It ended decently, and I have no problems with it, but the FACT that I was EXPECTING something sad and did not get something sad actually screwed up my expectations. Get it? It's quite ironic actually. :lol:

Anyway, all in all, this is a must watch series. Totally.

Oh, and Chloe is my fave character of this series. I got so pissed in ep 25 cuz she is so awesome.

[Ronin Aquila]

Ah, Chloe;the coolest Anime lesbian sine Daidouji Tomoyo...: kawaii:

[MrT]

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One of the things I liked so much about the series is the attention to detail. In 25 when use see the end result and then see the fork Chole took earlier in the series. It's those kind of details that make the series.

[Ronin Aquila]

Symbolism, after all, is a crucial factor in film noir...

[oppa]

I found that scene to be tremendously sad. The series went a long way in the storytelling, but it was just sad not only what happened but what was used to do so.

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It touches me even more deeply since I think Chloe was so awesome. Damn that Artena in warping her fragile little mind which resulted in her death.

*sniff* ...a moment of silence for our beloved Chloe. :(

[Westlo]

Has anyone here watched the noir special or making of noir?

[oppa]

Yea.

It's nothing much. Think of it as a little "making of" for Noir. It has the director as well as the two main seiyuus answering questions and talking about certain things within the series. It also shows some scenes from the series. It's interesting but nothing real great.

[Seventh Child]

Thanks for keeping this thread alive while I've been away! :) Rei-gouki and Ronin: I agree and support all your arguments about the Intoccabile issue with Takahashi. :)

BTW, Ronin, if you think Kirika is kawaii in the show, have you heard her sing the Jap version of 'Canta Per Me'? It's so cute!! :D :)

[Ronin Aquila]

KKKYYYAAA!! Kawaii!! Kawaii!! Kawaii!! :kawaii:

:kawaii: MustGetNoirOST3MustGeMustMustGetNoirOST3GetNoirOST3tNoi rOST3MustGetNoirOST3MustGetNoirOST3!! :kawaii:

Kuwashima Houko-Chan and Kirika-Chan rule!! :kawaii:

:kawaii: When does it come out, anyway? :kawaii:

[Panzer]

i totally agree that chloe is freakin awesome shes my favorite anime babe right next to asuka! i;ve lost 4 days worth of sleep because of this series but i have no regrets! has anyone noticed that mirelle and misato sound alike? (there va's) does anyone know misatos and mirelle's va?

[Kaji01]

Originally posted by Panzer
i;ve lost 4 days worth of sleep because of this series but i have no regrets!
Huh why?:confused:


has anyone noticed that mirelle and misato sound alike?

Yep...
Misato and Mirelle voices are both by the same VA , Kotono Mitsuishi.

http://tomoe20.tripod.com/K/Kotono.gif
Note:Remove Http://

Heh Purple hair.:D

[Panzer]

i lost 4 days of sleep because one of my friends with dsl mangaged to find and dl all 26 eps and burned them for me. i love noir so much that i had to watch it all as soon as possible. i got about 2-3 hours of sleep because of noir. muahahah

[Seventh Child]

Yay! A Noir forum has been created! About time! :p

Ronin: the Noir OST 3 came out in Japan on 11th November 2001. So, it's available right now at CD Japan and other online Jap stores :)

Panzer: Good ear!! Mireille is voiced by the wonderful, most talented Mitsuishi-sama, the same person who did Misato and Excel and a whole lot of other cool roles!! :D :) My favorite seiyuu in one of my favorite animes! :) ;)

[Panzer]

what do you people think of chloe? shes so cool.... *get all dreamy*

[Kaji01]

Originally posted by Panzer
what do you people think of chloe? shes so cool.... *get all dreamy*

yea...:inlove:

[Lihnn]

Cloe rules!
Only problem is that she's got a really weird personality if you ask me (refrence to when she decided to become an assasin).

Other than that, yeah she's cool. Just Kirika is waaaay better.


On a side note, does anyone know what type of hair gel Cloe uses? Whoever makes it must be a millionare by now for the amount Cloe must use.
I've got to get me some of that!"

[rei-gouki]

Originally posted by Lihnn
On a side note, does anyone know what type of hair gel Cloe uses? Whoever makes it must be a millionare by now for the amount Cloe must use.
I've got to get me some of that!"
Don't know but must be the same guy that supplies Trowa. :)

[Panzer]

i don't think she needs gel. hair defies the laws of physics in anime. :)

[Takahashi]

Originally posted by rei-gouki
And how many would fear him because they knew his skills? He relies on that costume of he for most of the scarin', right before he gets close enough to "woop your ass".
Actually the fear is due to his reputation, the guy beats up extremely dangerous criminals for relaxiation, on his own.

Little kitchen knife? Sheesh, it's a knife, not a short sword. No craftsman would bother decorating the scabbard(sp) of anything larger. Not if he/she wanted to make a living. And not to speak ill of females, but Intoccabile is one and how much knife could she actually wield effectively anyway.
On this point you either carry a really big knife for close combat situation, use throwing knife for silent range attacks, or you carry very small stabbing knife, you do not use kitchen knife to slash up people, only housewife do that to unfaithfull husbands.

Kirika shoot first? Not likely since Mireille had her gun out. Mireille hadn't failed to fire before so why should Kirika assume any different?
If she thought Mireille was competent why did she shoot? There was no need to rush to the scene then?

Shoot before the charge? Talk about rude. They were having a nice chat. How would you like it if Kirika shot someone you were hoping to get information from, mid-conversation?
I don't know if you have notice, but Noir works on a shoot first ask question later if their still alive. Also the information they needed was already there as stated by intoccabile, so what is to talk about. The only person who wasn't clued(the significant of the contract between Nova Costra and the Landlord) in was intoccabile. In the assasination business there is no room for error, stated by Mireille, one mistake could be fatal, seems like choking is a big feckin' mistake to me, she was lucky Kirika was there to correct it.

Body following the head? Not as much as you think. A bullet to the head is likely go right through, taking most of the kinetic energy with it. The momentum she had would have carried her to her target, regardless.
Between the three seconds the first two could have made her fall to the side, the last second could be too late, reaction time is 0,2 second and pulling the trigger within half a second I say she has plenty of time to shoot, notice that she has the target already locked in her sight. Shooting the knife should take atleast a few more seconds to aim and the chance of hitting the knife is like 80%(cause the knife is way smaller than the head) less than hitting the head on that shot, this could only happens in animes. To bring up the knife, do you actually think a knife could break as easily as that, a bullet might be able to dent it a bit, but not good enough to break it, if intoccabile has a strong enough grip, then the impact would have shattered all the bones in her arm. As I said before, a knife is made of metal and cannot be broken as easily as if it was made of glass. Armor piercing bullets could only make holes in metal, there is no such thing as breaking metal with a bullet(Or you have the most crappiest knife in this world).

[rei-gouki]

I hope there's a good reason why you took so long before trying to make another shot.

Originally posted by Takahashi
Actually the fear is due to his reputation, the guy beats up extremely dangerous criminals for relaxiation, on his own.
Hmm, shot yourself in the foot there...

On this point you either carry a really big knife for close combat situation, use throwing knife for silent range attacks, or you carry very small stabbing knife, you do not use kitchen knife to slash up people, only housewife do that to unfaithfull husbands.
I'll re-iterate: How much knife does Intoccabile look like she can handle?

If she thought Mireille was competent why did she shoot? There was no need to rush to the scene then?
She shot for the same reason everyone thinks: it was obvious by mid-charge that Mireille was hesitating. And rushing to the scene was to cover Mireille's back. Since Mireille was invited by Intoccabile, there was a good chance that she would at least be safe until Intoccabile was done.

I don't know if you have notice, but Noir works on a shoot first ask question later if their still alive.
The missions and contracts are a sfaql as well as when their life is being threatened.

Also the information they needed was already there as stated by intoccabile, so what is to talk about. The only person who wasn't clued(the significant of the contract between Nova Costra and the Landlord) in was intoccabile.
Mireille thought Intoccabile knew more, of course, or she would never have agreed to the meeting.

Between the three seconds the first two could have made her fall to the side, the last second could be too late, reaction time is 0,2 second and pulling the trigger within half a second I say she has plenty of time to shoot, notice that she has the target already locked in her sight. Shooting the knife should take atleast a few more seconds to aim and the chance of hitting the knife is like 80%(cause the knife is way smaller than the head) less than hitting the head on that shot, this could only happens in animes.
She only fired when Mireille didn't. And she wouldn't stay "locked on" for long at all. It takes alot of effort to stay on target and there was no telling how long Mireille would talk for. Thus she'd only hold it in the general area. Even if Kirika did "lock on" that firing solution is good as long Intoccabile stood still. Once she started moving, it becomes a totally different situation. To hit a moving target, she would have had to have tracked it for at least 1 second to be on target. Probably another second for the accuracy. Given Kirika's abilities, there is little difference to her to aim for the blade instead of the head.

To bring up the knife, do you actually think a knife could break as easily as that, a bullet might be able to dent it a bit, but not good enough to break it, if intoccabile has a strong enough grip, then the impact would have shattered all the bones in her arm. As I said before, a knife is made of metal and cannot be broken as easily as if it was made of glass. Armor piercing bullets could only make holes in metal, there is no such thing as breaking metal with a bullet(Or you have the most crappiest knife in this world).
The knife is old and so is the technology that made it. There's a good reason why it's so wide. It was most likely designed to be hard so that it'll keep it's edge. Making hard steel back in those days just means adding more carbon, but this process also makes the metal brittle. Because of that, the blade would have to be made wider to make it harder to snap.

Ronin Aquila, could you back me on that last bit about the knife or do you think I am wrong? :confused2 And could you do me a favour and take over for a while and confuse Takahashi with some of your expert prose? Please?

[Takahashi]

Reason I was so late with a reply was because I was in France for the weekend, after that I haven't felt like visiting Noir Forum for a while. I got pissed by that newby remark about siding with you guys about my theories, thats why I replied.

Shoot myself in the foot? It was common knowledge that Batmans works alone and also that he beats up criminals for fun, I can't say the same for intoccabile. She always have guards and henchman around her. As you stated she can't carry a big knife cause she looks weak to you, tell me how am I suppose to fear that in comparison to a 6ft+ menace in a black suit, who actually fight against enhanced humans with his bear hands, remember batman reputation, never used a gun or any weapon other than his batterangs(I am not referring to hollywood gun happy movies here).

The weapon(knife) is probably a relatively new weapon, as in its not a 2000 year old, the age at max would probably be 500 years:confused: (I don't have the episode at hand to check when Nova Costra started) if it was a heritage piece, Metallurgy 500 years ago isn't the same as medieval metallurgy as you suggested. The only real difference from than and now is that metal these days could be strenghten by using different combination of metals. Also the weapon looks like it has been made with care, handle was decorated not normally done cause it has no purpose during combat and don't tell me a daughter of Nova Costra is gonna choose a rusty 2000 year old dagger to fight with. And no the weapon she has is definately not a weapon of choice for anyone who is serious about killing, army knife are specifically made to take out the enemy at close range, light weight, strong, sharp and specifically has a black blade so that it would minimise detection in the dark.

[Seventh Child]

Originally psoted by Takahashi:

Reason I was so late with a reply was because I was in France for the weekend, after that I haven't felt like visiting Noir Forum for a while. I got pissed by that newby remark about siding with you guys about my theories, thats why I replied.

Who are you calling a newbie?! :mad: I may not have been a member here as long as you guys, but I have been here long enough to know what I can and cannot say! What the hell is your problem?! I sided with Rei-gouki and Ronin b/c I agreed with everything they said, and how they said it. Are you saying that it pisses you off that there are now three people against your comments?!

And in case you haven't noticed, this is MY thread, so I am completely entitled to voice my opinions, especially if it is to defend the flaws you picked out from Noir! So if you don't like Noir, and can't handle more than two people disagreeing with you, then leave! :mad:

[rei-gouki]

Originally posted by Takahashi
Reason I was so late with a reply was because I was in France for the weekend, after that I haven't felt like visiting Noir Forum for a while.
Sou nareba ii. :nod:

Originally posted by Takahashi
I got pissed by that newby remark about siding with you guys about my theories, thats why I replied.
She is a "newby" by 4 days compared to me. And where the hell is Ronin.

Originally posted by Takahashi
Shoot myself in the foot? It was common knowledge that Batmans works alone and also that he beats up criminals for fun, I can't say the same for intoccabile. She always have guards and henchman around her. As you stated she can't carry a big knife cause she looks weak to you, tell me how am I suppose to fear that in comparison to a 6ft+ menace in a black suit, who actually fight against enhanced humans with his bear hands, remember batman reputation, never used a gun or any weapon other than his batterangs(I am not referring to hollywood gun happy movies here).
Those guards are there just to make sure nobody interrupts her fun. And her fun isn't beating the crap out out of crims, it's killing her target. And you just shot the other foot. So far you've used "reputation" and "common knowledge" as the reasons Batman is feared. Both apply to Intoccabile though the second term would have to be applied selectively to her circles.

Originally posted by Takahashi
The weapon(knife) is probably a relatively new weapon, as in its not a 2000 year old, the age at max would probably be 500 years:confused: (I don't have the episode at hand to check when Nova Costra started) if it was a heritage piece, Metallurgy 500 years ago isn't the same as medieval metallurgy as you suggested. The only real difference from than and now is that metal these days could be strenghten by using different combination of metals. Also the weapon looks like it has been made with care, handle was decorated not normally done cause it has no purpose during combat and don't tell me a daughter of Nova Costra is gonna choose a rusty 2000 year old dagger to fight with. And no the weapon she has is definately not a weapon of choice for anyone who is serious about killing, army knife are specifically made to take out the enemy at close range, light weight, strong, sharp and specifically has a black blade so that it would minimise detection in the dark.
It's a piece of art as well as a fully functional knife. I don't know about you but making the knife out of softer metal would require it to be sharpened more often. How long do you think a knife would even last under those conditions?

I don't think iron was is in use in that area 2000 years ago so oxidation is probably a better word :P And 500 years is pretty close to medieval. Again, Ronin WHERE THE BLOODY HELL ARE YOU?! Give us a bit of history here will ya?

Army knives are of mass production design. The closest thing would be a dagger in those times. From the looks of the design, they didn't take modern philosophies(sp) on weapons design into account. They wouldn't have added a nifty, well decorated scabbard otherwise. :D

Not serious about killing... I don't know where you got that from but if you were passionate about something, you'd want that thing to be one of a kind or something like that, wouldn't you? And Intoccabile is a girl (again, no offense intended) so a pretty, well decorated knife that looks one of a kind is must.


And thanks for the backup Seventh Child. :)

[Seventh Child]

Originally posted by rei-gouki


And thanks for the backup Seventh Child. :)

More than happy to back you up. :) But, sorry, I don't know much about ancient knives, like the one Intoccabile was using. The only thing I know about it was that she killed both her father and grandfather with it, and then tried to kill Mireille as well. But then, everybody who watched eps 8 and 9 knows that much.

[Takahashi]

Sorry, but there is a thin line between been supportive and counter productive, if you have nothing to add than don't say it. I have nothing against you, but that remarks is just spammed. I haven't seen you make any contribution to the discussion except getting mad at me, for being mad at you? Wanna shoot my theorie out of the water, fine with me, present it to me, not I can relate to that crap, it means nothing and just isn't adding anything. I would consider that a spam, unless you can prove to me there is some deeper meaning to it, I think not. I don't give a damn how many people are against my ideas, its the useless spam is what I am against, atleast the people who are against had something to say, they might even be able to change my mind about certain things. Everything is open for discussion if you're willing to discuss it. The whole idea was to convince people that I am right or they prove me wrong, what you did is counterproductive leaving less room for discussion and less opinion to be formed, cause everybody is gonna start saying, ooh your so right, I agree with so and so, making this one feckin' boring discussion. Eventually you are gonna start talking about how cute Kirika looks in a blue dress:dodgy: I think it was heading that way untill I came along, brought some live back to the discussion and now look what you have done.

Remember you pissed me off first. I consider all spam during a serious discussion a newby reply, I don't care if your eva2k or one of the mods or how long you have been here, a newby reply is a newby reply. If you don't like the way I am heading then change it with a well thought or interresting idea, you wish to entlighten us with. This discussion has taken an ugly turn and I don't want to chase anybody up the walls, so I don't think I will be back any time soon, don't feel like making enemies at animeboards. Sorry for being rude, but I had to say whats on my mind. Lets let it cool down, maybe you won't hate me anymore in a couple weeks.

[rei-gouki]

Takahashi, I don't consider you an "enemy". Just check out my little battle with Eddy in the "Nadesico vs Evangelion" thread. There the battle was waged, there the battle remained. You have been an excellent opponent since this started. You even fished us back from a(nother) debate about hair gel in anime. :)

Whilst it's true that Seventh Child included the word "discussion" in the thread title, there is little chance of it staying serious indefinitely in any thread.

And just because people want to indicate who they support or believe in without furthering the discussion themselves doesn't mean the post is newbie-esque or useless. Being more or less a democracy probably doesn't mean much here but opinions do count. As you say, you don't care how many are against you, and nobody should. It's just that sometimes (not that it has happened here), when others hold a different to you yet the same to each other, you would... you should consider that your perception may be incorrect before blowing your top. At those times, numbers count.

Anyway, I doubt Seventh Child wanted to intrude too much considering I was your opponent, not her.

PS: are you pouting? :P j/k

[Seventh Child]

Takahashi, I don't hate you, nor do I enjoy arguing with you. I'm sorry if I made a stupid "newbie" comment, but all I was really doing was clarifying which side of the arguemnt I was on. I didn't support my argument b/c 1) Ronin and Rei-gouki said it all quite well and 2)I didn't want to get too involved. But I guess that's too late now. I have nothing against you voicing your opinions, however, I don't think you shoud flame the first who joins in the "discussion." Anyway, I hope we can continue this debate in a more controlled, civilized manner.