The Official X Thread

[Westlo]

Since X TV 01 just came out yesterday and the OAV has been out since august and with a movie from a couple of years ago and lots of manga. I think it would be time to start a forum for X let alone an official thread.

So who is a fan of X, speak out.

[Fukiya Yuma]

Yay X! I like Sakurazukamori! YAY EVIL CHARS! Erm.. yeah. ^.~ I really should finish the manga. I've only made it through the sixth volume. O.o I got caught up on Yami no Matsuei XD

[snowcherry]

Fuuma...Yuuto...the Sakurazukamori...*_*

I like evil characters too. Kamui and Subaru may be pretty, but they're boring XP Angst only takes you so far, y'know.

Has anyone else noticed how much better-looking X has become over the course of the manga? Most of the characters---especially the male characters---look a LOT better in recent volumes than they did in the beginning. Maybe one day Kusanagi will actually be decent-looking, ne? o_x

Erm, enough fangirl-babble. I liked the OVA, from what I saw. I am indescribably anxious to see the TV series. Damn it, the fansubbers have to wait for the R2 DVDs to come out for their video source. I can't wait that long! ;_;

[Westlo]

ep one is out snowcherry comeone get movin

it's damn good quality it's 212meg and i only have 30meg

[Pengi_Ken-Ohki]

tsk tsk, no talking about downloading anime etc. :nono:

Actually i have a question about X. I have a video clip of it and the characters look a lot like those from 'Tokyo Babylon', is there any relation or is it simply co-incidence?

[The Captain]

I don't remember exactly, but I think a few of the characters are taken from CLAMP's other series like Tokyo Babylon. It's definitely no coincidence.

[Fukiya Yuma]

:Sweatdrops:: Subaru and Seishirou, the Sakurazukamori ARE Tokyo Babylon's main chars and they battle it out finally in X. So yes they cross over into it. Subaru is a LOT younger in Tokyo Babylon. All that hinting in Tokyo Babylon finally makes sense in X.

[Nokari]

I'm definately a fan, but all I have is the X/1999 movie :( , until I get more money...

[snowcherry]

I tried downloading it last night, but then my computer froze just before the download started! XO I was so upset. I guess I'll have to see if any distros get raw tapes of it, 'cause I'll just order it raw.

Oh, and not only do Tokyo Babylon's main characters cross over (even Hokuto plays a semi-important role in X), but the CLAMP Campus Detectives also do. They assist the Seven Seals. I always wondered what they'd look like older...XD

[Fukiya Yuma]

::flips out:: THEY DO?! ::is going to RUN out and get more of the manga now:: DANG! I'm now officially happy. *_*

[^FallenAngel^]

X ep 1 is out?? coolies!! I was fairly disappointed with X/1999 movie.... since the manga's so long... and still going... I think i am lost half way through the manga now!

I'm hopeless with character names.... but I like the wind guy... errr... dunt know his name. I like the guy who can see the future as well, he's on the bad guy side! :o

I've seen Tokyo Babylon the first one. So pls fill me in... what's with them crossing over characters??? huh???

[Yumiko]

I thought the X OVA was one big expensive commercial to the series...

anyone agree? :heh:


As for the series, I've been following it and, it's been pretty good and very loyal to the plot of the manga so far. Subaru looks really sexy, and so does Seichirou, without that one eye. I wanna see the fight between them in action... I cried when I read the manga for that fight.

The X movie got it all wrong. They let Seichirou kill Subaru! >< I was so pissed at that. I too disliked the movie.

IMO, Tokyo Babylon was way better than X. At least the manga was. I hate CLAMP's little habit of not finishing their manga series though... although, I must admit, Chobits is pretty good for a shounen manga. I still wanna finish CLOVER.

[Westlo]

Commercial well yeah you could take that view but i took it as a preview. Either way were both right, just a coincident that the character they focus the ep 00 on dreams of the future isn't it. Though the bit they showed of the subura and Seichirou has left me wanting more.

Anyone know the name of the ending theme for the X oav?

[cloakactive]

Originally posted by Yumiko
IMO, Tokyo Babylon was way better than X. At least the manga was. I hate CLAMP's little habit of not finishing their manga series though... although, I must admit, Chobits is pretty good for a shounen manga. I still wanna finish CLOVER.

:D Chobits... Am i reading your response correctly? :confused2 You like Chobits? Don't you think Chi is cute? I just recently got the second manga... but hasn't the third one come out already?

[snowcherry]

*points to attachment*

Grown-up Campus Detectives...^_^

The OVA -was- basically a commercial, but it was the best damn commerical I've seen in a long time.

So...I gotta know...Dragon of Earth, or Dragon of Heaven? Which would YOU be? I very much see myself siding with the Dragons of Earth. Face it, they're cooler XD

The ending theme is called "Strength", by the way.

[Pengi_Ken-Ohki]

---- I wanna see X. I'd actually had the X music clip way before seeing Tokyo babylon, but the other day I was watching the clip more closely because of the song behind it. When I first seen the start of the second video of 'Tokyo Babylon' I thought I recognised the tree, and it's in the video clip as well.. so I watched even closer and seen in 1 short bit where the 3 of them are standing there, and the girl from the series is unmistakeable in her way of being really casual. That's why I asked ^^.

What's with the blonde girl tied to a cross with these strings? In the music clip he walks up, and smiles as he pulls on 1 string, and then it goes into another scene and those strings are tightening and cut her to ribbons!

[Fukiya Yuma]

::drools at the detectives:: Wahh! I have to get the rest of the manga!

The blond girl is Kotori. She's Kamui's childhood friend and she has a crappy future. You really have to read the manga or watch it to understand without major spoilers.

[Bomberman00004]

j0.. X rules ^^ so does X-Japan! (the band responsible for the ending theme, Forever Love) ^_^

[Ratty]

Originally posted by cloakactive


:D Chobits... Am i reading your response correctly? :confused2 You like Chobits? Don't you think Chi is cute? I just recently got the second manga... but hasn't the third one come out already?


lol I know this is a little OT...but I love Chobits!! The artwork is nice. Chii is ultra-kawaii yah :nod: cloakactive: yes the third manga has just come out.

Ok just to keep this post on topic...I haven't watched X yet but I want to..after hearing so much stuff on it :D Which is better the movie or the OVA?

[snowcherry]

Originally posted by Ratty
Ok just to keep this post on topic...I haven't watched X yet but I want to..after hearing so much stuff on it :D Which is better the movie or the OVA?

The manga :) Well, between the movie and OVA, I MUCH prefer the OVA. The movie is a pretty, shiny, attractive piece of crap, IMO. But don't take my word for it ^_-

[Draconian 101]

I saw X the Movie and loved it. The only complaint I have is no character developement. So I'm sitting there thinking, 'Okay this person just died, and I care why?' Although I did care when that girl with the phantom dog died. It's just what she said. "I've never been in love as woman should, but I wish I'd met someone who would cry when they burried me.' I also like that Satsuki chik. The beloved Beast. But I really like Kamui. Me and my friends argue over Kamui. And all started because of Fuuma's quote. "You fool I am Kamui!"

[Westlo]

anyone been watching x its been fansubbed upto ep 4 now and i still got 110 meg to go of a 220 meg file before i can watch ep one

[Darkside]

Please explain to me how ANYONE could POSSIBLE enjoy the X movie. It was one of the most horrible anime movies I have ever watched in my entire life. Just the sheer fact that the last fight scene lasted 10 FReAKING SECONDS????????? One of my friends said she likes it cause of the "character confilct between the main hero and his buddy he has to fight at the end" ----> note I didnt bother learning the names cause I dont want to even give the anime THAT much credit. Ok ....what freaking character confilct??????? The fact he has to fight his friend....BIG FREAKING WHOOP......WHO CARES!!!!!! Look....at the end of another series....((I dont want to say which one in case of spoilers)) a certain red coated individual has to fight his brother....but if he didnt have to do that IT STILL WOULD HAVE BEEN A PHAT ANIME!...character development is NOT a substitute for cool action...and also vice versa...you cant have one without the other. In my opinion X looked like a rushed put together story. It was visually stimulating but thats about it.

[snowcherry]

Originally posted by Darkside
Look....at the end of another series....((I dont want to say which one in case of spoilers)) a certain red coated individual has to fight his brother....but if he didnt have to do that IT STILL WOULD HAVE BEEN A PHAT ANIME!...character development is NOT a substitute for cool action...and also vice versa...you cant have one without the other. In my opinion X looked like a rushed put together story. It was visually stimulating but thats about it.
Y'know, I agree with you totally. Especially about that other anime involving a certain red-coated guy and his brother :D I did not like the X movie, but the manga...heh, I worship the manga. There's much more time for character development there.

Speaking of which, last month's Asuka X segment was -way- too suspenseful. I don't want to spoil anything for anyone, but ergh. I can't wait to see what happens next, though I have a feeling I know who will be the next to die. Sob, sob ;_;

Oh, and I STILL haven't seen any of the TV series yet, other than the opening sequence. Hurah -_- Pretty flashy opener though.

[snowcherry]

Time to ressurect this thread, 'cause I have finally seen X TV episode 5 ^_^

The verdict?
WOW.

Though my computer has "issues" with divx (yes, my computer is a piece of crap), I managed to finally get the file to play. I decided to download the latest episode as opposed to getting the first one, mostly because I've already read up to the latest manga installment of X and felt as though I knew the beginning well enough to drop in this late into the series. At least, I should, given the TV series is only up to like volume 3-ish and I've read up to stuff that's going to be in volume 17 or 18 ^^;

Anyway. the animation is absolutely stellar and amazing. Wow. Madhouse scores again. The character designs are attractive, except that I think Sorata, Arashi, and Aoki were all much better-looking in the manga. However, that's nitpicking ^^ I LOVE, emphasize that, LOVE the voices! Sorata's is nasally and cute and obnoxious, Arashi's is girlish and sweet but deadly, Hinoto is played by Hisakawa Aya (enough said), Yuzuriha sounds just adorable...and everyone sounds just like I would imagine them to sound.

From what little I've seen, the manga is followed quite nicely. This makes me very happy. Somehow, the Yuzuriha-Kusanagi meeting is so much sweeter here :kawaii: Maybe because anime Yuzuriha hasn't annoyed me yet. Heh.

In conclusion, I would rate the TV series as a definite must-see. It damned well better be, the freaking episode took me an entire day to download :p

[Takahashi]

Spoiler up ahead, don't even go there unless you have seen up to episode 4.
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Did they actually, pulled the Heavenly sword out of Fuma's and Kotori's mother, is that the fates that awaits Kotori as hinted by someone in episode 5. In the other thread about evil character, they mentionned Fuma, how could the ultimate nice guy become evil?

[Westlo]

yes the animation in x is astounding, madhouse are experts in this field thats for sure. Still haven't got all of ep one yet unfortunely, is the ending song good. Is it better than the ending song in the x oav?

[Takahashi]

I can't help but it, but I am watching the opening over and over again, just because I like the opening song, someone tell me did the opening? I would love to listen to it in my car:D The ending song is much similar to the X ova, sounds a like it but still different, that doesn't make any sense does it:heh:.

[snowcherry]

***Spoiler space to answer Takahashi's question***











Saya (Fuuma and Kotori's mother) "gave birth" to the sword. There is one other sword, and unless the TV series is suddenly going to be completely different than the manga, it will not be from Kotori. Kotori has a different yet equally unpleasant fate. As for Fuuma...oops. I was the one who initially mentioned him as one of the best villains, thus ruining quite possibly the biggest plot twist in X -_- It shouldn't be too long (sometime in January, maybe, or perhaps late December) before the TV series shows how and why this happens. This will also show what happens to Kotori, so...er, yeah.
***End Spoilers***

Oh yeah, I wanted to mention: Sorata isn't nearly as obnoxious in the anime as he is the manga. Damnit. I love his stupid flirtatious comments to Arashi :p

[tekblade]

the anime is kinda different then the manga in some aspects but the animation is still 100% top notch quality :D

[Takahashi]

Actually I could make out that, Fuma is gonna be a villain, cause its shown all over the opening and also its hinted in the OVA, the only question I had was why, he promised to protect not to kill???

BTW, I found out the name of the opening Song, its eX Dream, sang by Miyuji(don't know if I spelled the name right)

[tekblade]

well in the manga even though fuma swore and all it was destined that whatever path kamui chosed fuma will become his direct opposite since their linked or something

[snowcherry]

Er, yeah. Sort of what tekblade said. Fuuma is Kamui's (hee, I almost want to just leave it at that :p) twin star, and therefore must become whatever Kamui decides against. Kamui chooses to become a Ten no Ryuu, and therefore Fuuma becomes a Chi no Ryuu.

[Takahashi]

Holy crap on a stick! I just saw X the movie :eek2:
Its a good movie, great animation and to the ones who are complaining about the plot, how much can you fit into a 1hour and 37minutes movie? Although the last battle was a bit short, but that is not the point is it?

Heavy spoilers ahead, you don't want to read it unless you have seen the movie or read all of the manga, just highlight the text to read.



You don't wanna go there:nono:




I am telling ya, you don't want to go there:hmmm:




Last warning:)





Either you lied or they change the entire story, actually they change the story, cause the first sword is from Kamui's mother. Second was pulled out of Kotori by Fuma:eek:. Their explanation is, Fuma doesn't remember anything of his past after his power is unleashed:dodgy:, but I can go for that. They however explain it too late, in the last half hour I was constantly thinking, WTF this guy sure is easy to persuade and then he starts to change his entire personality. Although I agree the entire human race should be wipe out(been thinking of that for years), its just that Fuma accept it too easily for a caring person, at the very end they explain it, in my opinion they should have said so before, I would have enjoyed the last half hour much more if I wasn't distracted by it so much.

[snowcherry]

Erm, they grossly changed the story in order to create an "action flick". The manga (and hopefully the TV series) was never about all-action; it's shoujo, so it's more about relationships and character development than bloody apocalyptic battles.

[Takahashi]

Like I said who gives a damn about the action, which I must admit is just as good as Akira and also like I said you need atleast three more hours to do a deeper character development otherwise you would only see little bits and pieces which you won't understand, thats where the TV serie comes in :) where they have time to do character development deeper storylines and along the lines also good actions scenes. I like the TV serie and thats why I went and look for the movie and when you watch it in that order the movie doesn't seem half bad at all. They made a lot of changes to the story in the movie cause I don't think they can really pull a lot of detour like where the swords comes from, elaborate on childhood sentiments introduce a lot of characters, it does seem a bit rushed if you don't know all of the dragons before hands, so in my opinion you should watch the tv serie first and then just enjoy the movie as it is, like an alternate world to X.

[KAS]

Every time I watch X I want to see it again and again. I like Kamui's sword the best!!!!

[Takahashi]

I just saw X episode 6, a must see to any one no matter what your taste is, the true tragic hero Soragata. Eventhough he was fated to die, he still looks death straight in the face and laugh, like nothing in the worlds could harm him. Also one of the most openhearted character in anime ever, he doesn't shove his feeling under the table whenever he is talking to the object of his desires. Straight like the flight of an arrow he breaks down the barriers she is putting up between them, no beating around the bush(I wish I could be like that).

[heerogf]

just saw x tv :eek: OMG!!!! was it the best thing i've ever seen..well, one of, stil!! i feel like fainting when watching the opening alone, i thought when it's a tv series, the animation will not be as good as the movie, actually, it's still pretty much the same, but what i like so much is that it have feathers!!! ::faint::

[Westlo]

w00t just saw ep one finally w00t

Animation is top notch no doubt about it

Music is wonderful whats the theme that plays throughout the visions of the future in the ova and after kamui after he reflected the divine spell back onto hinoto

The fights so far have been quick but well done is it as violent as the manga?

[snowcherry]

The manga is slightly more violent than the anime. Later volumes get kind of gross, but I'm not sure if the anime will be like this as well. I kind of hope it is, just as I hope the later episodes keep the heavy yaoi innuendo of the manga ^^

The fights generally -are- quick, until you reach the important ones. Shouldn't be too long before one comes up.

[Takahashi]

Whats is this weird obsession with yaoi you girls are having? I think its kinda gross and get a really funny feeling when something happens like a guy kiss another guy. I hope something like that won't happens.

btw, how many ova are there?

[Westlo]

i agree with you takahashi

as for the ova only one consider it episode 00

So this series should be 26 eps but will it be the only series??

[Takahashi]

Originally posted by Westlo
i agree with you takahashi

as for the ova only one consider it episode 00

So this series should be 26 eps but will it be the only series??

Thats strange, I found a guy with an ova 01 and it has a different filesize than my ova 00:confused:

[Westlo]

Well when the x oav was released that many groups jumped on it it wasn't funny.

i think i've seen at least 10 different versions

i grabbed the first one i could a lq 130 meg version but this was like during the week it got released so i didn't mind

[Takahashi]

Same here. Grab the first version I laid my eyes on.

[Kodachi]

Do I have to watch those other series first (Tokyo Babylon and CLAMP Detectives and whatnot) in order to enjoy and understand X?

[Takahashi]

Not really, I haven't seen above mentionned and stills enjoyed it.

[SephirothTG]

x

[nightREQUIEM]

I LOVED the X oav *drool* its was soo *sob* sooo *pulls out kleenex *SOOOO depressing *begins to flood forum with tears* FUUUUUUMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAA!!!! *x japan's forever loves plays in the background*:( :(

[Westlo]

Does anyone know the song that plays in the ova while it features scenes from the series. It's also in ep one after kamui reflects the divine spell on that chick and goes i'll kill you or something

[Pengi_Ken-Ohki]

shouldn't this thread be in the Magic Knights Rayearth forum?

hehe, I got the DVD and I loved X btw ^^

[Westlo]

Why should it be in the Magic Knight Rayearth Forum

They are only made by the same ppl CLAMP but thats no reason still.

If you loved X the movie imagine a tv series with better animation and gasp story and you have X TV Series

[Takahashi]

I don't think it belongs to MKR, cause besides being made by the same people, they have nothing in commen at all, not the story not the character nor the animation and X is serious.

[snowcherry]

Hah, that's like, "why do we have a KareKano forum, an FLCL forum, AND Evangelion forums?" -_- The stories are different, not even taking place within the same continuity. Though I might've liked to see Fuu be just another sad casualty in some Chi no Ryuu attack. *cough*

Damnit, the official page hasn't updated the episode screencaps since November 14th :p I don't have the time to download all of those episodes, I rely on the screencaps to inform me.

I'm still anxiously awaiting the anime equivalent of tankubon 13's events. My favorite volume so far XD

[Pengi_Ken-Ohki]

Originally posted by snowcherry
Hah, that's like, "why do we have a KareKano forum, an FLCL forum, AND Evangelion forums?" -_- The stories are different, not even taking place within the same continuity. Though I might've liked to see Fuu be just another sad casualty in some Chi no Ryuu attack. *cough*

Damnit, the official page hasn't updated the episode screencaps since November 14th :p I don't have the time to download all of those episodes, I rely on the screencaps to inform me.

I'm still anxiously awaiting the anime equivalent of tankubon 13's events. My favorite volume so far XD

I am prolly completely wrong, but I would have thought that X would be far more popular/well known than Magic Knights Rayearth which most fansubbers are still selling (is the license owned?). Although I see ur point and knew it even when I posted what I did.

Eva2k needs to think up better ways to arrange these forums, they are simply gonna get too large. Perhaps catagorising them by company or by sub-genre would work. e.g. CLAMP, GAINAX.

[Westlo]

Originally posted by Westlo
Does anyone know the song that plays in the ova while it features scenes from the series. It's also in ep one after kamui reflects the divine spell on that chick and goes i'll kill you or something

Comeone snowcherry youre my only hope if you don't knoe this song than who does:confused:

[JadeFire]

Evvvvvvvvvvilllllllll characters XD!! FUUMA FUUMA FUUMAAAAA!!!!!! Kyaaaaaahhhhhh~~~~~~~~!!!!! *calms* Ok.... I'm calm ^.^; true snow cherry, angst only takes me so far, about as far as I can get to get a giant hammer to beat some sense into the likes of Kamui and such. My fav thing about X is the abundance of truly evily characters.

The movie: BLARG It was alright, but they were trying to cram a huge story into such a short period; doesn't work yo. The animation was a bit weird, the music rocked, Fuuma was ultra evil (wooo), and the ending sucked (damnit, Kamui sure hugged decapitated heads in that alot huh?).

The anime: Waiting to try, waiting for some cash flow, not seeing it happen.

The manga: Going a bit slow, I think CLAMP lost me when they made Satsuki so fanservicey ._.;

[snowcherry]

It seems lately CLAMP has been very fond of fanservice. Not only with the creation of Chobits, but Satsuki has gone up about two cup sizes since her first appearance -_- Not that she was ever flat, per se, but oi. Geeky Hacker Girl is awfully well-developed.

Only CLAMP would use a reclusive computer-obsessed genius as a sex symbol, eh? :lol:

[JadeFire]

Yeah, its really too bad ._.; CLAMP is so good in most cirumstances, but some of their stuff is just fanservice and annoys me >.<;

[snowcherry]

Kyaaa...I just read the latest X segment from Asuka...bad things are going to happen, bad, bad things.

*spoilerish stuff for the manga*
*don't read it unless you're up to speed on the X manga*
*I'm warning you, these are big spoilers*
Supposedly, one -more- Dragon of Earth is going to die and be replaced by another Dragon of Heaven, like what happened with Seishirou and Subaru. Only this time, the Dragon of Heaven that appears to be the one changing sides is...Arashi! XO That means either a) Sorata will die soon, which is unfair because I think they just had sex o_O or b) she'll kill Sorata, which is even less fair for the same reasons. And I think Hinoto is going to kill herself, which also sucks, but evil Hinoto is trying to kill the greatest CLAMP couple-who-isn't-really-a-couple ever, Aoki and Karen. ERGH.

I'm very angry with CLAMP right now.

[JadeFire]

.............. @@;;;;;;;

Ok, CLAMP was losing my interest in X, but I liked the characters enough not to completely be pissed. I liked most everyone except a few (Kamui being one of them, gomen Kamui fans), so I tolerated CLAMP's sudden obsession with fanservice, death, and blood (wait.... they always had those obsessions, but idiots like me after seeing and/or reading Rayearth, CCS, Wish, and others would think they could produce things with taste, my bad). Seriously, that just makes me feel.... really annoyed.

>.<;

Off-subject-ness: snowcherry, I like your avatar (Sattttoooosssshhhhiiiiii XD ).

[Westlo]

Okay lots of stuff to put here

X TV is currently fansubbed upto ep 10

X TV is apparantly only going to be 24 eps long

Any idea if theirs going to be only on season of X or more

Snowcherry could X tv get from where it is now to the end of the manga in 14 episodes?

[snowcherry]

Jade: Yes, Satoshi rocks XD

Westlo: I doubt it, actually. They'd have to skip a lot of stuff unless it was absolutely essential. Let's just hope they decide to do a second season, because it appears to me that the series is not progressing really quickly -_- I'd hate to see such a promising anime be screwed up by a rushed and potentially incomplete ending.

[Takahashi]

Apparently you need to see tokyo babylon, to understands the backgrounds of Subaru and why he wants Seichiro dead. This may well be the biggest plot twist next to the second Kamui thing.

[snowcherry]

No, it's covered eventually in X as well...you'll see...it is definitely the next biggest plot twist. It's also much more complicated than simply wanting him dead ^_-

Of course, the TV series -could- do a real injustice to the manga and not go into why, nor the circumstances surrounding it...all you really need to know beforehand about the two is a) Subaru (along with his sister, Hokuto) lived with Seishirou for a year a long time ago (9 years, I think, assuming Subaru is 25 in X) and b) Seishirou is an assassin---the Sakurazukamori.

And that concludes our brief "Angst Boy and Seishirou-kami-sama" lesson for today ^_^

[Westlo]

yeah hopefully their is a second season any idea how popular X TV is in japan?

[Sigurd Fatima]

I'm a new fan and it's definately fitting into my current top 5 anime list. Now that the series is taking off and the movie DVD is available most everywhere we need a forum. Great manga art!

[Serekith]

I too am a new fan, but already I love it. I was really disappointed with the movie only because, it seemed to be about character dvelopment BUT being a movie, it was short and thus had no time for character development, which was really annoying. Also I hate short movies.

Then I saw the OVA (or is it OAV? Either way I guess). OMG!!!!!!
It's beautiful! I really need to see the TV series... and seeing what everyone is saying about the manga, I'll have to obtain that somehow too...

I also agree that X should have a forum. This thread is starting to get long...

Anyhow, off I go to find that music from the OVA.

[Takahashi]

You should check Ex Dream, the opening of X TV, its on my playlist everyday. Also the OVA is kind of a preview to X TV serie, so you know the quality and great animation so get ready for the character and story development:)

[Westlo]

Yeah Ex Dream is pretty good and the ova is basicily a 30 min commerical for the tv series (the best commercial i've seen though).

X fans post in the forum request forum that you want an X forum

[Serekith]

Yeah, the OVA was like a giant commercial, like a really long trailer. I really like trailers though. Often they can be better than the movie itself. (mumbles to self: especially when that movie is JP3). Anyhow that OVA was great, nice and trailery (that's not a word is it?);)

Ex Dream eh? Think I'll be getting that now.

[Westlo]

SO Snowcherry since X TV is now subbed upto ep 17 has it already started to move away from it's manga roots or does it look like it's going to end up being over 2 seasons?

Also if you have not done so already can you go to forum requests and request an X forum

thanks

[tekblade]

ive read some of the manga but unfortunately i cant remember if the series is tied with the manga, but as you know anime always differ from its manga counterparts so there was some changes, maybe some parts taken out. ive seen up to 17 and i must say its at least different from the movie version :D

[snowcherry]

Originally posted by Westlo
SO Snowcherry since X TV is now subbed upto ep 17 has it already started to move away from it's manga roots or does it look like it's going to end up being over 2 seasons?

Unfortunately, it's going to be one season. It follows the manga for the most part, but it speeds it up considerably (well, lately at least---the events of episodes 15 and 16 just -zoomed- by) and puts some minor things out of order. The TV series, as can be expected, is somewhat less violent than the manga---the manga had decapitations and a large amount of blood, while the TV series just shows people dying prettily and [relatively] cleanly o_O

Also, there's a bit less shounen-ai in the TV series, but once again, that can be expected.

[Westlo]

I heard episode 21 of X TV was real sad

sniff

[snowcherry]

Episode 20 was sad too...haven't seen 21 yet, but 20 had me choked-up.
Then again, the manga version did too. I guess they had to be more subtle about the sex for a television airing, though...

Ep. 19 SUCKED. The manga was so much better. The anime version was cheesy and unromantic. God I sound like a whiny little spoiled fangirl. Eh, maybe that's what I am :p

[snowcherry]

Okie-dokie, saw 21. Yes, it was sad. Three deaths in one episode! Three of my top five favorite characters, even! Wow. Seeing Seiichiro cry wounds me so. Oddly, I didn't even get choked-up.

Karen's death was cheap. I felt cheated. I guess she had a new power though, not just fire. She has...the power of the Catholic Church! Hurrah. I always knew religion couldn't be trusted. It's what killed Karen, after all. I hate character deaths that result from using their Hyper-Super-Mega-Secret Power. It's a bit played-out. Hopefully, when she dies in the manga it'll be more...uh...I don't know, but it'll be better.

I'm glad that jerk Yuuto is dead. He may be one of my favorite characters, but he's a bastard. Believe me, anime Yuuto is not much like manga Yuuto. Manga Yuuto is less...brutal.

Satsuki's death was cheap, too. Everyone who has ever seen anything pertaining to X knows that BEAST will be what kills Satsuki, but still. Not enough BEAST-Satsuki drama there. And more blood!

*smacks Kawajiri with a rolled-up copy of X 17*

[heerogf]

u know, this IS a tv series, and they only have 26 ep to work with, so i wouldn't complain much about that =)

[snowcherry]

Firstly, I wasn't complaining per se, just making a point about the, well, questionable directing choices ^_- And also, there are only 24 episodes. Bah.

But most importantly,

Dubbing on X TV has begun. (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=1826)

Dude, that came out of left field. Wendee Lee is in it. Yay! But who licensed it? Manga Entertainment doesn't go for TV series generally, so I really don't think it's them (THANK GOD).

My guess is Tokyopop, but we'll see, won't we ^_- If dubbing has begun already, you know it'll be out this year or early next.

[cloakactive]

I just read that article and was about to post that in here.... looks like you beat me to it. :lol:

Anyways, personally I'm hoping that Pioneer or Bandai has the rights... If its anyone else, I would be slightly skeptical and fearfull of the outcome. :dodgy:

[Westlo]

The peeps at www.animeondvd.com (they have like a 20 post thread just on who licensed it) are split between Mediablasters and Pioneer.

Mediablasters because they use Bang Zoom Studios alot and Pioneer because they are really quick at getting R2 (japan) to R1.

I think most are hoping for Mediablaster so they don't have to buy an 8 dvd set (pioneer have 3 eps a dvd).

[cloakactive]

Originally posted by Westlo
The peeps at www.animeondvd.com (they have like a 20 post thread just on who licensed it) are split between Mediablasters and Pioneer.

Mediablasters because they use Bang Zoom Studios alot and Pioneer because they are really quick at getting R2 (japan) to R1.

I think most are hoping for Mediablaster so they don't have to buy an 8 dvd set (pioneer have 3 eps a dvd).

Theres pros and cons to looking at those 2 groups.

Mediablasters=Less DVDs', More eps for less cash... however rushed subtitles, zero quality in spell check. :bawling:

Pioneer=High quality subtitles with high quality job done on spelling and zero gramatical erros... however as you just pointed out Westlo, More DVDs', Less eps per DVD, More Cash shelled out. :dodgy:

Really though, it is an issue that would split alot of people. Its really perfectly understandable.

[Snake Eyes]

For X-tv, I'll gladly pay for quality. Let the company with the best quality win, regardless of price!

[snowcherry]

I don't think it's Pioneer. I just don't have that feeling (it didn't appear in my dream...sorry, bad joke :p). Though it would be nice to have Pioneer...not only for their amazing quality, but for their GORGEOUS box art! Seriously, Pioneer puts out the most beautiful covers.

Why Tokyopop? It's ballsy of a company to begin dubbing on a series without even announcing it as licensed. It means that the release will be without any fanfare. Whoever licensed it thinks (rightfully so) that they have a guaranteed market for the series. Tokyopop often thinks like this, licensing various series and not informing anyone until like a month before it is released, and even then it's a casual mention o_o Look at the Angelic Layer manga. Also, Tokyopop is fond of shoujo series, it seems, and X is -quite- shoujo.

Mediablasters was my second choice, actually. They do tend to go for series that were popular as fansubs (Weiss Kreuz, Rurouni Kenshin), particularly those with an action-y bend. I'd be thrilled with Mediablasters; I can overlook poor sub quality (do we forget that we've been watching digisubs? -_-) and I like their release schedules.

And Cloak...of course I beat everyone to it...I'm the X otaku of AB ^^;

[heerogf]

i like MB, since i'm just a bad english student myself, i never actually notice the grammatical errors @_@ lol

i hope MB did it, they do good with series with shounen-ai in it! in x case tho, just a bit

and didn't u say before u were a spoiled girl cherry? i guess i forgot that? :lol: j/k

i'm an x otaku too!! the movie is my fave movie of all time!! :p

[Adriel]

I hope Pioneer gets the rights; I'v never really liked Media Blasters (subtitles are screwed up, and I'm mostly a dubbed fan, and their dubs leave a lot to be desired.) Tokyo Pop has a great interest in CLAMP's properties, so they could be them as well. But I guess it doesn't matter, as long as SOMEBODY brings X TV to the US!

I hope it won't be a repeat of my incident with X: The Movie, wherein I waited FOUR YEARS for Manga Ent. to release it, only to have it suck severely. *Le Sigh*

Well, I wonder what role Wendee Lee will play...She'd be a great Karen, IMO.

[snowcherry]

Originally posted by Adriel
Well, I wonder what role Wendee Lee will play...She'd be a great Karen, IMO.
I agree. God, how I agree. I disliked Karen's seiyuu.

I think she'll end up playing more than one role though. My guess is Arashi or Kanoe, and Karen. Hell, she'd be good for a lot of roles.

Heh, anyone think David Lucas is getting a role in THIS one too? That guy's been all over the place lately, and he's often cast alongside Ms. Lee. If he does, he is SO Yuuto.

[Magicfangirl]

I've only seen X the movie and I have only 2 volumes of X/1999 the manga, but from what I've seen, I LOVE IT!

The only thing I didn't like about the movie was that it was so friggen sad! ( but I loved it anyway)
I love the manga and the movie very much! And the only character I don't like {hate} is Kotori. Which is odd, I usually hate all lot more of shoujo's then just 1 person but I love everyone else! ( I favor Nekoi more then any girl in the show and manga)
^_^ And Kamui and Fuma are lovely as well!

[Westlo]

Hmm true Snowcherry Tokyopop are quite agreesive licensing Samurai Girl Real School Bout (Gonzo) before it was aired last year and their manga licenses as well


oh well we can at least agree that as long as one of Mediablaster, Pioneer and Tokyopop get it its better than anything manga can do (still crying that manga got Read or die)

[Maccy99]

This has probably already been asked in this thread but it's too big to find out, so, sorry if i'm being repetetive. I've been thinking about checking out the X, it sounds interesting. I'm just wondering, what should I watch first OAV, movie, or tv series?

[Westlo]

OVA first then the tv series and after that watch the movie if you want to see a compressed version of X with a different (and crappy) ending

OVA and TV series only available as fansubs but dubbing shall be started next week^^

[snowcherry]

OVA and TV are the same continuity (OVA is just a preview), so those first. If you enjoy the TV series, by all means acquire the manga. If you don't, don't watch the movie. It will only make you hate X, CLAMP, and possibly the entire world.

I only recommend the movie if you a) love all things X related and can't get enough Kamui; b) love all things X related and have a strong desire to see it all just for the sake of having done so; or c) enjoy the TV series/manga, have a morbid, twisted sense of humor, and can laugh at your favorite characters' brutal, violent deaths.

[Takahashi]

Actually I saw the movie after I saw the first 8 episode of X the TV serie, so the movie was quite enjoyable, thought it did spoil me with the twin Kamui thing.

[Adriel]

Something of Interest: Viz has announced that they're releasing X now in graphic novel-only format, with X 9 coming out in time for Christmas! *happy little jig* Thank God I won't have to wait each month for a 16 page installment in Animerica Extra (Bleagh!) :D

[tekblade]

hmm i was just curious if kamui became a dragon of earth :D

[Westlo]

Well X has finished airing in japan and episode 23 is out (the dling must be killing you snowcherry...are you still on 56k?) i'll like to get two diff opinions

The manga fan snowcherry and the movie fan Takahashi, what did you think of the ending to X TV series and was it better than the movie, was it a let down, did i live up to your expectations etc

I know you can't really answer this fully until you see ep 24 but you can talk about lots of charcters deaths and etc or just ignore this post until you have watched the last ep ;)

Hmm X has finished, now Chobits starts long live clamp (saw the trailer to chobits i can't wait^^)

[cloakactive]

Wha?!? 23 is out already? I was unaware of this. Didn't 22 just get released? :confused2

As for X being finished in Japan... sorta funny you should bring that up due to the fact i was asking Yumi earlier this week if it was done...

//goes to look for 23.

[snowcherry]

I've seen screencaps of 24 and read a script. Oh yes, I was prepared. 23 is finishing up, but I read the script and saw screencaps beforehand. I had heard bits and pieces of what would happen, and frankly I have to force myself to watch the ending.
All in all, it was a big, big let-down.
I figured I'd better not go into EVERYTHING I think about the series right now, because that would make one very long post. Let me just say right now that the ending is stupid and too happy for X, there are too freaking many plotholes, and Fuuma's characterization sucks.

Good things about the TV series:
*Most of the seiyuu, esp. Fuuma's, Hinoto's, Satsuki's, Kamui's, and Arashi's
*Animation
*Most of the character designs
*Music
*Episodes 1-13, 15, 16
*Daisuke
*Kotori not making me want to kill her
*The scenes taken directly from the manga
*Arashi's ending
*Yuzuriha and Kusanagi living happily ever after

Bad things about the TV series:
*StockVillain™Fuuma
*PatheticLoser™Subaru
*PACING
*Lack of shoujo-ness
*Episodes 14, 17-24
*Plotholes
*"Sadame" being played in every goddamned episode
*Karen's death
*The presence of Seiichiro's wife---okay, personal bias
*Hinoto dying way too early
*Kakyou's utter uselessness
*The circumstances surrounding Nataku's death
*Too few episodes to work with
*The fact that everyone cool other than Arashi dies, but that's going to happen in the manga anyway
*Campus Detectives replaced by Ugly Mustache Man
*Worst of all, though...no Keiichi!

EDIT: http://www.pioneeranimation.com/news.php?id=3

I guess all you Pioneer people were right :p Vol. 1 coming in fall, damn that's quick.

[Magicfangirl]

Originally posted by snowcherry

Good things about the TV series:
*Kotori not making me want to kill her
*The scenes taken directly from the manga
*Arashi's ending

EDIT: http://www.pioneeranimation.com/news.php?id=3

I guess all you Pioneer people were right :p Vol. 1 coming in fall, damn that's quick.

I really had no idea it was possable not to want to kill Kotori.
:heh:

I've never seen the TV series, so I hope I'll be able to find it soon!


( and I hope I don't cry as much as I did at the movie)

:bawling: Poor Kamui and Nekoi! :bawling:

[cloakactive]

Originally posted by snowcherry

I guess all you Pioneer people were right :p Vol. 1 coming in fall, damn that's quick.

~wheeeeeeee~ :D

I was really happy to hear that Pioneer did acquire the rights. This is definitely a good thing due to the fact that now we know the subtitle qualities will at least be very accurate and proofread more then once. :p And if Pioneer is doing it we might be lucky and get a nice box set to go with those dvds.

**crosses fingers**

[Westlo]

Well ep 24 is out their now Cloackactive in case you didn't know

Pioneer.....it's all good, now theirs a chance this baby can come to australia.

How many osts are their for X and are their any more planned?

Snowcherry which ending did you prefer the movies or the series and since you don't like both maybe its just really hard to write a good ending for X i dunno

[RCX]

Just watched the final episodes... was a big let down :(

[snowcherry]

Hrm...I like to pretend that the movie never happened. Movie? What movie?

I -do- think it's possible to create a good ending for X. Some aspects of the TV series' ending I like. One did not go into the series expecting that ending (if you've seen it, you know). Rumor has it that Ohkawa Nanase (the writer of the manga) specifically told the animation staff to end it differently from how the manga would end. Previous CLAMP endings lead me to believe that the X manga will have a horribly depressing but relatively satisfying ending. Loose ends will be tied up, and that was, in my opinion, the TV series' biggest flaw. PLOTHOLES. With 20 volumes to work with (that's almost definite, at this point; 20 volumes to cover cards 1-20 of the Major Arcana of the tarot, plus one more artbook to cover card 21, "The World"---card zero, "The Fool", was the first artbook), the manga doesn't really leave anything unexplained. It has no excuse to.

Aside from plotholes, the TV series also cut out most of the lighthearted moments. The manga has a fair amount of comedy relief (and god how it needs it), but all of these fun little moments are absent.

[klinky]

X = let down in my book.

I saw the first episode and was like "WHOA " when that 'charm' turned into that bird and stuff, "this is gonna be cool". Then it was really dry for a long long time. I enjoyed all the episodes that had Satsuki in them, she was cool, didn't really get what happened to her at the end, did Beast consume her or something? Anyways, the middle episodes were really boring and then they seemed to have rushed everything near the end. What sucks is the character deaths, everyone has last words...EVERYONE.. No one just dies, it's always where they're holding each other in their arms and they say something meaningful and heartfelt... Felt cheesy and fake to me.

I don't know if I'll watch the X movie, I tried once, but got bored 10 minutes in and didn't feel like completing it..

As for you Kotori haters, I enjoyed her character even though she was killed like after a few episodes or something...bah! She was cute...

~klinky

[snowcherry]

Originally posted by klinky
I saw the first episode and was like "WHOA " when that 'charm' turned into that bird and stuff, "this is gonna be cool". Then it was really dry for a long long time.
True, it was quite slow-paced for the first 10 or so episodes...but being a manga fan, I'm used to it ^^
I enjoyed all the episodes that had Satsuki in them, she was cool, didn't really get what happened to her at the end, did Beast consume her or something?
Yay for Satsuki...anyway, I'm pretty sure BEAST either electrocuted her or just drove the wires too far...I don't know, I only watched that episode once.
Anyways, the middle episodes were really boring and then they seemed to have rushed everything near the end.
Meh, I wouldn't call them -boring-, per se...bias speaking again...but the pacing DID suck.
What sucks is the character deaths, everyone has last words...EVERYONE.. No one just dies, it's always where they're holding each other in their arms and they say something meaningful and heartfelt... Felt cheesy and fake to me.
X is shoujo. When important characters die, everyone must get mushy and sentimental. Unspoken rule, y'know.
Besides, there's nothing "real" or "gritty" about a story that puts feathers and/or flower petals in every frame of animation.

As for you Kotori haters, I enjoyed her character even though she was killed like after a few episodes or something...bah! She was cute...
Have you read the manga? She's much different there; she's sort of, uhm, nuts. I like anime Kotori a lot, actually.

[tekblade]

did any of you see the last episode yet? i saw it but for some reason i liked the movies ending a lil better in a way but thats just me :D

[klinky]

It seems X has more official endings then Eva has ficticous endings... :lol:


~klinky

[Adriel]

But how in god's name will the manga end?? They don't have much left... :bawling:

[Westlo]

Request an X forum (http://animeboards.com/t32319/s.html)

C'mon if you haven't already you know you wanna request it

Hmm one wonders how clamp will end the manga for x their two endings they have already made missed the mark of satsifying ppl

[Snake Eyes]

Well, they could always leave the last few pages blank and let everyone draw their own ending.

Or, they could do one of those "choose your own adventure" deals.

[heerogf]

just saw ending of x, anyone care to explain to me what happen? @_@ i don't get kamui's wish...

[snowcherry]

Snake Eyes: Somehow, I can see the legions of angry X fans out for blood if CLAMP did something like that...

Heerogf: The ending can be explained quite easily: the writers fell asleep and let the janitor take over for the last few episodes XP
Kamui's wish was to protect Fuuma---the "real" Fuuma, not "Dark Kamui" Fuuma. So, the only way he could do that was to sacrifice himself. He should have saved everyone the trouble and let Fuuma kill him back in episode 12 :p

I have a few theories on how the manga will end, and I'm almost positive I know who'll be present (or at the very least alive) for the final battle.

[klinky]

Well I was thinking. "If it's all gonna happen and there nuffin you can do about it why try..." There was alot of crap about not changing destiny or whatever.....yet they flipped it upside out and whoops Kamui changed destiny. WTF was princess Hinoto for anyways.Geez.
What is the timeline for these events? It seems like it took ten years for anyone to act on anything. The Dragon's of Heaven and the Dragon's of Earth were too friendly to each other ... "Let me kill you while we chat over some tea..." Those Stupid heads!

Someone also tell me about the basketball episode. Was that to re-enforce Kamui's and Fuuma's bond? He can't win a silly game unless Kamui is looking at him...Seems a lil' Yaoi to me.. Hey I guess X was a Shoujo... I didn't know that . I thought the feathers were to represent something else...


~klinky

[Westlo]

X marks the box (10:49 AM EST): According to Pioneer's site, the first volume of X will be released in two flavors, one with a box and one without. The standard version without the box retails for $29.98 while the version with the box retails for a sweet $34.98.

"Two choices, two sides, one future... Two groups of supernaturally powered warriors begin a prophetic battle to shape the future- a clash that will rock the foundations of the planet! The Dragons of Earth swear to purge humanity from the world, while the Dragons of Heaven are the last hope of all mankind. One young man holds the key to the Earth’s destiny.

Contains X TV episodes 1-3 and Episode 0: An Omen. This Bilingual DVD also contains Pioneer Animation Previews (trailers) and a printed, limited edition X character guide! Created by CLAMP (Rayearth, Cardcaptor Sakura) with Animation by Madhouse (Vampire Hunter D, Trigun, Cardcaptor Sakura).

Run Time: 100 min
SRP: DVD w/ Collector's Box: $34.98 / DVD: $29.98"


Anyone going to get it?

[oppa]

For sure now. I was going to hold off until a box set, rather IF a box set was going to be released, but after I saw this news at AoDVD, news of Pioneer ACTUALLY BEING SMART, I have more faith in them now.

It still a shame that it's an 8 disc release, but X TV is well worth it. Especially now that I can have a nifty box to go with the series. :)

[Snake Eyes]

I'll be getting it. Count me in for a box baby!!!
I cannot wait until I can watch X-tv on my TV.

[Fatal Outlaw]

i wasnt planning on getting the dvd's since i have it on vhs-fansubs which are pretty good quality, but when i read that it will come with a box, i just had to get it (i MUST have all collector's boxes! so far, i have love hina, bebop, eva, and later today, berserk!)

[Westlo]

Hehe a box freak, theirs so many of them on AOD

Pioneer seem to be pro box now with boxes for Hellsing and X TV with their first volumes.

Lucky sob getting berserk! I have to wait to October to buy it if madman doesn't push it back.....

Hopefully this gets released in australia, it should be....

[cloakactive]

Boxes are fun! And personally, I'm glad X is going to come with a box... I just hope that the art is good. :sweatdrop

[snowcherry]

I doubt you have anything to worry about, Cloak. I've yet to see crappy art from Pioneer. They are the reigning kings of beautiful cover/box art.

I'm sort of glad they won't be using the Japanese covers. Has anyone seen those? They're tacky! The title and character names are much too big and with the detailed background art, it just makes the covers look cluttered. I think they'd look a lot better without the character names.

Anyhow, I'm buying the DVDs just for the extras (ie., the character guide).

[JadeFire]

*sigh* I really should break down and get X TV, I've heard good things about the animation at least, but bad about ending. How to bring myself however to have to see that much of Kamui animated? I don't think I can bring myself to do it... and I've heard how Fuuma's a loser in the tv in comparison to Fuuma of manga. *le sigh* Then again, if I see it and hate it, I can make cruel Kamui TV jokes for a year or more, and one can never have too many substantial Kamui jokes...

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... one day, just to see some of those cool X females animated... as for Kamui- bleh. I guess I'll just take notes on evil and devilish Kamui TV jokes while watching the episodes to feel more enthusiastic.

(note: I was overdramatizing, I promise you the decision whether to see or not to see X TV does not pry on my brain :P I'll see it... sometime... after I stare at Chobits and such nummy series for ages)

P.S. Does anyone know if Viz stopped releasing their translated version, or is it just the typical Viz slowness that is affecting it, or did they put it on the backburner? Its so much easier to read manga when I don't have to look up and down from a pc screen with translations back to the manga. ^.~

[Snake Eyes]

They had stopped or paused or something. I heard so many different things and never bothered to check. On their website they say:

"VOLUME 7: RHAPSODY
Available May 2002!"

Maybe its out, maybe it isnt. There are a few days left in May ^^;

[snowcherry]

Viz seems to have an official policy of "taking as painfully freaking long as possible" with X. I understand their legal problems, but the next volume is due out in August, last I heard ¬¬ Oh well, I much prefer the original format anyway. The tarot cards are a nice treat.

JadeFire: Between Subaru and Kamui, I don't know who needs to be whacked with a mallet more. Well, no, Subaru wins. At least Kamui develops as a character. It's really all about the evil guys, no? XD

Fuuma's not so much a loser in the TV series as he is [huge freaking spoilers ahead] a shallow villain. He loses that deviously fun side, the side who dines with assassins and wears stuffed frogs on his head. Then again, maybe that does make him a loser. *ponders*

[JadeFire]

Noooooo... he loses that wonderfully dorky and odd villianous side of himself... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO the agony (dramatizes) and they didn't animate THE FROG!?! Was the frog unpopular in japan, I demand a reasoning, an answer dang CLAMP ^.^;

[Westlo]

What did you guys think of the music in X TV?

and Fatal Outlaw is the Berserk box as good as it looks?

[Fatal Outlaw]

Originally posted by Westlo
What did you guys think of the music in X TV?

and Fatal Outlaw is the Berserk box as good as it looks?

so far, i like the music, and the berserk box is gorgeous! although im returning it in exchange for another one becuase the side was scratched

[Snake Eyes]

Westlo, I was just ranting to some online buddies about X-tv music before coming in here. I absolutely love the musice from X-tv. I am listening to one ofthe OST's right now. For all of you who loved "Sadame" (track 02 on the OST1) you have to hear "The Last Battle," which is on OST2 (track 12), this is if you have not done so already. It's a truly awesome piece of music (imho).

My favorite tracks from OST1 are:

eX Dream - Track 1/op
Sadame - track 02
The future is always alone - Track 07
Ten no Ryu's theme - Track 11
Sadame piano vers - Track 12
Secret Sorrow - Track 13/ed

OST2 favs are:
Strenth - Track 02
Tada no Nozomi - Track 07
eX Dream (string quartet) - track 13

[Siberian]

X is one of my favorite animes!!! Along with Tokyo Babylon! My favorite characters are Seishirou Subaru Fuuma and Kamui! I've seen almost the all of series and the movie *my friend has it on vcd* and I have TB! The series is much better than the movie I think at least... Though I like Kamui's seiyuu better in the movie Seki Tomokazu! hehe one of my fav seiyuu's. I love clamps work!!! I have to say they have the best animation out of the companies *well at least that's what I think ^ ^* All their animes and manga's usually take my breath away!

[snowcherry]

Siberian: CLAMP is not an animation studio. CLAMP is a group of mangaka.
Sorry, but I see that mistake all too often around the boards. Madhouse is the animation studio responsible for X in all its animated incarnations, Card Captor Sakura, the recent Chobits, and Tokyo Babylon as well, if I recall correctly. They seem to be CLAMP's studio of choice.

As for the music, I'd have liked it a lot more if the same songs didn't show up in every episode. There should be an X TV drinking game, like "drink two shots for every time you hear 'Sadame'". Actually, that'd probably kill a horse by the end. The music is very good, but it seemed like the soundtrack was really limited. Some really good songs only got played twice or so, while others were played over and over and over.

Snake Eyes: I don't recall if nor where this song was played elsewhere (such great observational skills!), but you wouldn't happen to know the name of the song that plays in episode 19 while young Karen plays in the church, would you? It's really light and ethereal, different from most of the songs in the series.
And yes, "Last Battle" is a great song.

JadeFire: The lack of frog (and lack of Keiichi, and lack of Campus Detectives, and lack of cool poofy CLAMP School uniforms) isn't CLAMP's fault; it's the fault of whoever decided that roughly 20 volumes of manga could conceivably fit into 24 anime episodes ¬¬
*mourns the loss of Frog, Keiichi, the Campus Detectives, and those cool poofy uniforms*

[Siberian]

Oh thanks Snowcherry I actually didnt know that! I just figured Clamp had everything to do with it! Oh well the animation and still wonderful *which was my point* and thanks for the info ^ ~

[Fatal Outlaw]

just finished watching all of X tv...all i can say is WOW, this series is awsome! X tv is now one of my favorites along with Cowboy Bebop and Vandread :D anyway, thoughts (o yeah, spoilers too):

favorite character: kamui/Fuma. Kamui was really cool for the first 11 episodes, but when "he comes back to his normal self" (according to Fuma), he turns gay (not literally), and when Fuma awakens as kamui's gemini, all of a sudden, he turns cool:cool: and o yea, Sorata is pretty cool too, as for Subaru, i didnt get the deal, i got it but i need more info, maybe i should watch tokyo babylon...

stupidest character: Satsuki. never liked him.

favorite episode: that episode where sorata/yuzuriha/arashi cooked for Kamui.

so...as a conclision...watch X everyone!!! im looking forward to Pioneer's release of X, aswell as the box :o


and o yea, can someone explain the ending? :heh:
all i got out of it was kamui 'passed' his wish to Fuma and then his kekkai went out...

[snowcherry]

Originally posted by Fatal Outlaw
stupidest character: Satsuki. never liked him.
*blinks* You watched the entire series and never noticed Satsuki's breasts?
On Subaru: watching Tokyo Babylon will give you ZERO insight on his behavior. Reading Tokyo Babylon's manga will give you a little, but not much you didn't see in episodes 9 and 16 anyway.

For the ending:
SPOILERS, TOO LAZY TO COLOR THEM, DEAL WITH IT
Kamui's "wish", as I saw it, was to protect the old Fuuma. If Kamui won and lived, he'd have to kill Fuuma, but if Kamui lost and died, Fuuma would be alive, right? Hence, Kamui died, put up his kekkai to protect Fuuma and basically the whole world, and everyone lived happily ever after.

I'm just curious to know if Fuuma went back to being Dorky Fuuma or if he stayed as Homicidal Fuuma. That's never explained.
END UNCOLORED LAZY SPOILERS

[Fatal Outlaw]

Originally posted by snowcherry

*blinks* You watched the entire series and never noticed Satsuki's breasts?
On Subaru: watching Tokyo Babylon will give you ZERO insight on his behavior. Reading Tokyo Babylon's manga will give you a little, but not much you didn't see in episodes 9 and 16 anyway.

For the ending:
SPOILERS, TOO LAZY TO COLOR THEM, DEAL WITH IT
Kamui's "wish", as I saw it, was to protect the old Fuuma. If Kamui won and lived, he'd have to kill Fuuma, but if Kamui lost and died, Fuuma would be alive, right? Hence, Kamui died, put up his kekkai to protect Fuuma and basically the whole world, and everyone lived happily ever after.

I'm just curious to know if Fuuma went back to being Dorky Fuuma or if he stayed as Homicidal Fuuma. That's never explained.
END UNCOLORED LAZY SPOILERS
spoliers.

i meant her lol but honestly, i never noticed her breasts until that one episode where yuto dies (then i went back and watched that one episode with her background). and about subaru, i kinda get it, but that whole thing when subaru killed seiichiro is kinda blurry (that 'thats the way i killed your sister' thing is the part that i didnt get). anyway, im currently in the process of obtaining the manga...i know theres 7 volumes out released by viz, another question, how many volumes are there anyway?

[snowcherry]

Ah, I get it.
BIG HUGE SUBARU-SEISHIROU SPOILERS
What Seishirou (Seishirou is the guy who gets killed by Subaru; Seiichiro is the flustered wind-master---believe me, everyone relatively new to X gets them confused XP) meant---and this is kinda vague in the anime, it's more clearly explained in the manga---is that Hokuto, Subaru's sister, had with her dying energy cast a spell on Seishirou and Subaru. The conditions of the spell were that if Seishirou were to attempt to kill Subaru in the same manner in which he killed Hokuto (hand through the chest), the attack would reverse itself and Subaru would (inadvertantly) end up killing Seishirou instead. Being that Hokuto -told- Seishirou that she had cast this spell (hoping that it would never have to take effect; after all, she only wanted the two of them to be happy), Seishirou knew and made the attack, knowing full well that it would kill him. Essentially, Seishirou kills himself by Subaru's hand.
END HUGE SPOILERS

There are 17 manga volumes to date, with number 18 coming soon. 20-21 volumes total is the expected number.

[Snake Eyes]

I'll find out the name of the song you are looking for =)
(or at least try anyway)

EDIT: Well, it seems that I don't have it =(
It's not on either soundtrack that I have. I went throuch each track at least 3 times listening for that specific piece played at the beginning of ep 19....this leads me to think:
1) One of my OST's (possibly both) are incomplete
2) It is on an OST I have not acquired yet
2) It is not available 'yet' at all
3) It wont be made available

I'll keep my ears open
The first two options make me a very unhappy camper, the last two are fine. I guess the hunt begins. Release the hounds!!

[Fatal Outlaw]

Originally posted by snowcherry
Ah, I get it.
BIG HUGE SUBARU-SEISHIROU SPOILERS
What Seishirou (Seishirou is the guy who gets killed by Subaru; Seiichiro is the flustered wind-master---believe me, everyone relatively new to X gets them confused XP) meant---and this is kinda vague in the anime, it's more clearly explained in the manga---is that Hokuto, Subaru's sister, had with her dying energy cast a spell on Seishirou and Subaru. The conditions of the spell were that if Seishirou were to attempt to kill Subaru in the same manner in which he killed Hokuto (hand through the chest), the attack would reverse itself and Subaru would (inadvertantly) end up killing Seishirou instead. Being that Hokuto -told- Seishirou that she had cast this spell (hoping that it would never have to take effect; after all, she only wanted the two of them to be happy), Seishirou knew and made the attack, knowing full well that it would kill him. Essentially, Seishirou kills himself by Subaru's hand.
END HUGE SPOILERS

There are 17 manga volumes to date, with number 18 coming soon. 20-21 volumes total is the expected number.

wow...thats amazing

[snowcherry]

Snake Eyes informs me:
Well, it seems that I don't have it =(
It's not on either soundtrack that I have. I went throuch each track at least 3 times listening for that specific piece played at the beginning of ep 19....this leads me to think:
1) One of my OST's (possibly both) are incomplete
2) It is on an OST I have not acquired yet
2) It is not available 'yet' at all
3) It wont be made available
Well, balls. I'm guessing it's just not ever going to be released. I hate when that happens. We're more likely to see an album of nothing but "Sadame" remixes than see another full OST album.

I'm starting to really wish we had an X forum. *smiles sweetly and not at all demandingly*

[Fatal Outlaw]

oooh i have one more question! whats the deal about subaru's wish about not wanting to see through his right eye?

[snowcherry]

Ah. That requires some TB manga background ^^

SPOILERS FOR BOTH TOKYO BABYLON AND X!
Seishirou lost his right eye defending Subaru back in Tokyo Babylon. Subaru wanted to repay him in some way (sort of), feeling guilty about Seishirou's injury for his sake. He wished to lose his right eye as well, to feel the pain Seishirou felt when he took that injury. It seems to be a common theme in Japanese culture, to injure oneself in order to "repay" someone for being injured while protecting them. I've seen it in multiple anime/manga.
END SPOILERS

[Fatal Outlaw]

Originally posted by snowcherry
Ah. That requires some TB manga background ^^

SPOILERS FOR BOTH TOKYO BABYLON AND X!
Seishirou lost his right eye defending Subaru back in Tokyo Babylon. Subaru wanted to repay him in some way (sort of), feeling guilty about Seishirou's injury for his sake. He wished to lose his right eye as well, to feel the pain Seishirou felt when he took that injury. It seems to be a common theme in Japanese culture, to injure oneself in order to "repay" someone for being injured while protecting them. I've seen it in multiple anime/manga.
END SPOILERS

wow...CLAMP's amazing! maybe i should get the clover manga ive been wanting to read

[mtyoo]

Fuuma wears stuffed frogs on his head? WTF?

[Ronin Aquila]

Don't touch!! Arashi-Neechan is mine!! Mine I tells ya!! MMMMMIIIIIINNNNNNEEEEE!!! MUHUHWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! :kawaii:

[snowcherry]

Yes, a stuffed frog (http://www.bishounen.net/frog).
Manga Fuuma is a much less shallow villain. He has more sides than just "homicidal maniac" ;P

[mtyoo]

That site is one very strange corner of the internet.

[Westlo]

For anyone interestied in the dub

http://www.animeondvd.com/dcforum/DCForumID19/564.html

[snowcherry]

Good lord...preliminary comments:

Ron Allen (Fuuma)
Christ I hate this man's voice. He was Yoshikawa and Kikuchi in GTO, and both of them sound like little sissy nerds.
EDIT: I just read that he's Fuuma. Great, so not only has he destroyed a Midorikawa Hikaru ([insert senseless fawning here]) role, but also a Suwabe Junichi one too now? Bleh.

Crispin Freeman (Kakyou Kuzuki, the dream gazing Dragon of Earth)
I love Crispin Freeman, but he'd be a better Seishirou. He's too deep for Kakyou. He's a good actor though, so I'm sure he'll pull it off.

Wendee Lee (Karen Kasumi, the firemaster)
David Lucas (Seiichiro Aoki, the windmaster)
Wahaha! Those two actors have mad chemistry. I'm happy to see them cast together like this, but David Lucas sounds a little too...eh...I dunno, he's not quite white-picket-fence-suburban-dad enough to play Aoki. He'll manage, I'm sure.

Rafael Antonio Oliver (Sorata Arisugawa, the stargazer from Osaka)
Oh no, this is the "dude, where's my car?" guy from the GTO dub. If Sorata starts doing a Keanu Reeves-esque "whoooa" I'll kill someone.

Lia Sargent (Arashi Kishuu, Shrine maiden of Ise Shrine, sounding a bit like R. Dorthy from Big O)
Uhm. Is she capable of a non-annoying, non-grating voice? She can act, mind you, but her voice is so...piercing. I could be biased because I'm very fond of Arashi's seiyuu.

Melissa Williamson (Kanoe)
Yay! She's good, she'd be excellent as the darkly sensual Kanoe.

Overall, it sounds pretty decent, as are most Animaze dubs. I'm still so happy about Wendee Lee as Karen...

[Fatal Outlaw]

when i was watching the fansubs a while back, my first thought when i saw karen was "wendee lee is perfect for her role in the dub" sure enough, she got the role.

and since we're on the subject, here's the picture of the dvd. and the reversible cover is the R2 covers :)

http://www.animeondvd.com/images/other/xpeek1.jpg

http://www.animeondvd.com/images/other/xpeek2.jpg

[snowcherry]

I think everyone who watched X thought "Wendee Lee!" as soon as Karen was introduced. Especially after hearing her godawful original seiyuu. She sounded older than Lady Sumeragi.

Oh yes, I saw those pictures over at AoD a few days ago. I knew Pioneer would have gorgeous packaging. However, I wonder if, since the covers are all going to be reversible, they'll use -all- of the Japanese release covers, whether for the front or for the reverse. There are twelve, after all. I'd hate to see them use, say, the Sorata and Arashi cover, but not use the Karen and...well, whoever she's with (Yuuto?) cover, even as a reverse. Yes, the bias is shining through today.

But what I really wanted to gloat about mention is the SPJA (Society for the Promotion of Japanese Animation) industry award given out last month at AX. The X manga won the award for "Best Manga, Japanese Release". The world is a happy place.

[Westlo]

AnimeOnDVD's X TV Volume One Review

http://www.animeondvd.com/reviews2/disc_reviews/1351.php

I guess he likes it since he's watched it 3 times already.

[Westlo]

http://www.selectsmart.com/FREE/sel...ient=xcharacter

Just a fun character thingy I got of the AN forums

My results

Sumeragi Subaru - dragon of heaven

Followed by

Sakurazuka Seishirou - dragon of earth
Shirou Kamui - dragon of heaven

[snowcherry]

Ooh, I've taken that quiz like twenty times XD

1) Yatouji Satsuki
2) Monou Fuuma
3) Nataku
4) Kasumi Karen
5) Sakurazuka Seishirou

I'm clearly quite evil.

Has anyone seen the two official sites for the English release? I don't want to link to them, as they have episode clips. Anyway, there isn't a whole lot there, but I guess they're sorta interesting. The clips are from the dub, and so far:
*Kamui sounds appropriately surly. His voice doesn't sound like the actor is straining to sound young, which is shocking for a dub. Very good. I like.
*Kamui's name is pronounced correctly. If you've seen the movie dub, prepare to be shocked.
*Hinoto's name is not pronounced correctly. Thankfully, it's only a case of misplaced emphasis (HI-no-to instead of hi-NO-TO), so it's not that bad. Souhi and Hien (her servants) sound good as well.
*Sorata's voice pisses me off. The actor mispronounces "Arisugawa", but says it really quickly (I assume to make the mispronunciation less obvious). He sorta overacts and doesn't sound goofy or playful, more angry instead. Yuck.
*Yuuto sounds flat. Completely flat. It sounds like his actor is just reading the lines. Maybe he was going for "bored and casual", but he came off as "reading the Yellow Pages". Bad.

I can't wait for this dub. It sounds...interesting. Very anxious to hear the rest.

[Fatal Outlaw]

i already have the X promotional dvd, as for the dub, i liked it, the only ones i had a problem with is sorata and yuuto, but besides that, i thought the dub was great!

[blindside]

i have the x movie but that is all

it has great art but the story is a little bit lacking....but thats just my opinion

[Westlo]

Read it on Animeondvd here's the artbox for X TV

http://www.dragonsofheaven.com/artbox.html

[Shale]

Bah...what's an artbox without any cool art? All that has is headshots. I'll pass.

[snowcherry]

I have to admit, I was a bit disappointed myself. That's some pretty...uh, mediocre art.

[mtyoo]

Yeah, but look how the individual disc titles are arranged on the side: A RAINBOW! :dead:

[Fatal Outlaw]

...am i the only one who likes the box?

btw, the box may not look bland (as some people see it), those pictures are just skecthes

[Westlo]

So what did you think of the disc, dub, box etc

[Takahashi]

Originally posted by mtyoo
Yeah, but look how the individual disc titles are arranged on the side: A RAINBOW! :dead:
Well thats the exact same way the manga has been arranged.

[snowcherry]

Speaking of the manga, even though I know very few people here keep up with the Japanese release, has anyone seen volume 18's tarot card and picture? BEAUTIFUL. Just beautiful. A fitting tribute for the latest Dragon casualty (and my second favorite character, damn you CLAMP).

I need to hurry up and go buy both vol. 18 -and- the DVD (and the '03 calendar, if Kinokuniya has it). Maybe I can whine my way into it next weekend.

[Fatal Outlaw]

i just got the dvd box, it actually looks better when you have it on your hands, but overall, id say its avergae (the vandread box on the other hand, is gorgeous)


Speaking of the manga, even though I know very few people here keep up with the Japanese release, has anyone seen volume 18's tarot card and picture? BEAUTIFUL. Just beautiful. A fitting tribute for the latest Dragon casualty (and my second favorite character, damn you CLAMP).

:bawling: im collecting the english versions. i seriously need to get the japanese volumes. btw, how long is the manga going to be? is it even close to finishing?

[snowcherry]

Originally posted by Fatal Outlaw
:bawling: im collecting the english versions. i seriously need to get the japanese volumes. btw, how long is the manga going to be? is it even close to finishing?
It's either going to be 19 or 20 volumes, probably with one more artbook as well. It's pretty close to finishing, but they keep delaying it by taking one or two month breaks (currently in a two month break right now, next installment of X comes November 24th---withdrawls, man XP). I sometimes think CLAMP doesn't -want- X to end.

[Reika]

I really like the box. I unlike the above mentioned didn't think the Vandread box was anything special. Just production art put on the sides of the box and the cover pic of the first volume put on the backside.

The X box itself is very sturdy compared to a lot of boxes and thick. The dark fading tones really fits the atmosphere of the series.

The first volume is also nice. It has its own black slip case with a red chromium X across it with "[ONE]" underneath it. Each volume will include the slips (the box was made to fit them). Very nice stuff here. The case is clear and the cover is reversible. I prefer the R1 cover, the reverse side then shows through when you open the dvd which has a nice effect. The disc itself is red with a X across.

There is also a character guide included. Each of the main characters get their own page and some side characters were given their own little sections as well.

Nothing more you could ask for really, other than a release on 6 dvds as opposing to the 8 we're getting.

[James]

I just got the art box and DVD myself. Overall I really enjoyed the first few episodes, and am looking forward to the second volumes release.

[Fatal Outlaw]

since no one has said anything about the dub yet, i thought i'll give it a rundown:
pretty good overall. its not the best dub out there, but good nonetheless. Sorata's voice seems a little awkward at first but it gets to you (same with Kamui's voice). and as i thought, (judging from episode 0) Wendee Lee as Karen is perfect, and so is lucas for Aoki. Satsuki's english voice, i thought, was the best. for bad roles...Yuzuriha and Arashi, i cant stand their english va's. if id grade the dub, i'll give it a B+

btw, to anyone who hasnt got the dvd yet: you're gonna want to buy it soon, the character guide is pretty good ^_^

also, volume 4 is going to kick so much ass!

[James]

I too enjoyed the dub.

I only wished they would have gotten the VA who played Kamui's voice in the dub for the X movie by Manga. I kind of prefer his voice over this new guys, but he's still good regardless.

All in all I thought the dub was pretty good.

[Makoto Hyuga]

I thought the dub was well done. Kamui pretty good. Sorata is well cast, as is Arashi. Seiichiro dubbed by David Lucas is perfect in its own right. Karen only has limited screen time, so I can't make a call yet until I see more of her character. Yuzuriha takes some getting used to, as does Kotori. But for the life of me, I don't know the VA who plays Subaru. He sounds great but I can't find his name anywhere! Well, the Dragon's of Heaven are very well done and I am glad the dub is as good as the show.

[Midvalley]

The dub is outstanding. I can place at least 6 VAs that I have heard in other anime, and the rest all do great jobs for their characters.