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Wolfpac
03-07-00, 01:04 PM
So What's with the German connection???
What I just read (see NERV post) German has a big connection to Evangelion - Auska, Nerv, Seele
neo_knights
02-09-00, 10:15 AM
Hmm, yeah, you're right !
Why Germany ? Why not the other countries ?
'Cuz the culture ?.....Nah
'Cuz the tech ?.....Not even think about it
Why ? Can somebody tell us why Germany ?
Because Germany is leading the world in engineering and technology at the moment, so it is probably that Anno decided to use them and America as locations for the other NERV sites
Cuz the Japanese were sorta with the Nazi's at one time. It's kinda scary that this bond would last this long after WWII
Then where do the Americans fit in? I don't recall them being on the Axis side in WWII :lol:
They don't really fit in there, I think the fact that both of the American made Eva's were duds or at least destroyed is sort of a knock at American workmanship even though the problems with the Eva's had nothing to do with that. It's proably some hard feelings left over from Hiroshima. Kinda like saying "you may of kicked our asses but at least we can build Eva's that work!"
Instrumentality
03-09-00, 03:14 AM
Even more importantly, Why Japan?
Surely a more mystical and prophetic (?) site would be somewhere in the middle east.
I was told that hitler searched for the lance of destiny during WW2, perhaps...?
Japan was on the Brits side in WW1
"Even more importantly, Why Japan?"
Because it is a Japanese Animation.... if you think that is ovbious... then why did you ask the question... lol
Ok...ok... Look at it this way, Falty Towers... is a British commedy... SET in ENGLAND.... Deep Impact involved the first half of the meteroid hitting left of America... while the larger half was going to Hit America.... WHY?!.... .Marvel Comic HEros are all found in NEw York.... WHY?! Because the writers have better knowledge of their surroundings... its that simple...
If I was going to write a story... I would be heavily infleunced by Australian traditions.... I would not set my story in Japan... for I know very little of their customs.... SUCH AS eating on the floor or what ever... I am totall ignorant to their customs. I have heard that people believe that Kangeroos and Koalas are everywhere in Australian, however I have never seen a Koala except on Tv. And Kangeroos... are considered pests and are shot.
Now why Germany, well I think maybe because alot of classical music came from German, and possible inspired Anno to focus on it. Possible because he is interested in German literture or speaks German, or just learnt alot about them in School. Beetoven 9th symphony has German lyrics... and many of the words such as SEELE are spoken in the song... maybe that specfic song inspired him to make EVA... who knows... for all I know it may because Japan has high trade with Germany, and Anno antipated that if Japan was going to make an EVA, Germany would be the first country they would ask to help.
Possible Germany has relgios significance, such as where Christ was crucified.... or whatever.... whos to know, (Dont nit pick this last paragraph, I dont really care where Christ was crucified...)
[Edited by Access on 03-09-2000 at 05:25 PM]
Instrumentality
03-09-00, 03:52 AM
Hello Access, someones going around with your avatar and its confusing me.
Anyway, yes your right about people writing about there surroundings, yet I cant help but be a little irritated by the endless disaster movies written by americans and blowing up america. No-one seems to care that laws of probability are being violated willy-nilly.
ALL meteorites hit the US. ALL aliens attack the US first. ALL virulent Plagues infect America first... theres heaps more. I just find it incredibly shallow. :(
"Possible Germany has relgios significance, such as where Christ was crucified.... or whatever.... whos to know, (Dont nit pick this last paragraph, I dont really care where Christ was crucified...)"
Umm wh...ah nevermind.
I would imagine that the "US built broken Evas" thing, if at all significant, was just a bit of a joke, and not a serious attack on the US, considering they're Nerv's plans, Unit 03 wasn't finished, and Unit 04 was destroyed by the S2 engine.
Anyway, I would say, the reason America was building Evas for seemingly no reason (Compared to Japan and Germany) would be, it's the US. It's good for international relations, and the US is pretty freakin' rich to waste money on having robots blow up :)
Originally posted by Commander Ikari
Then where do the Americans fit in? I don't recall them being on the Axis side in WWII :lol:
of course not, but if you remember, the american govt. alledgedly signed a contract with the Nazi scientists - thier knowledge in exchange for immunity from persecution...
I never really meant to say that it was a personal attack yet it could very well be seeing as to how most countries like Japan feel about the "western world". I think that The US was included in there because let's face it, the US is too big of a world power to be ignored here. They have the most sophisticated military technology on the planet and if anyone is going to make Eva's it'd be them. I myself still find it kinda amusing that the "American Evas" were duds though and that could be a kind of joke about American workmanship cuz these sort of attitudes are even revealed in the earlier episodes like in episode 7(the one with the Jet Alone) when that guy on the plane said "The Americans seem to be allergic to unemployment but they'll soon learn". We all know that Americans' aren't well liked here. You already know my opinions on the German connection but we don't know the full story, maybe Anno has some good friends or relatives in Germany. Or hell, maybe they just put on a blindfold and threw darts at a map of the world and one hit Germany. The truth is we don't have the full story here.
Killjoy
03-09-00, 11:12 PM
hehe... funny image of a depressed japanese guy wrestling with the concept of a country to put in his story, then throwing a dart at a world map. :D
Maybe Germany rose out of Second Impact ahead of everyone but Japan.
*Takes a bow*
Thank you, thank you, I try really, that's right people, I'll be here all week!
NervCommander
04-09-00, 02:03 AM
mabey they use germany because it's a cool country i mean just imagine australia or new zealand or ethiopia in evangelion.........
Gobb trevisic vil kine engel zine!!!
:ssj:
Australia would rock in NG...... however it being one of the flatterst countrys in the world I would imagine it would be non existant.... or at least washed of most life on it.
Come on people Aussie rules...
Aussies invented;
Power Stearing
Flight Recorders
Interscan
Crop Harvesters
Rotary Hoe
Photocopier
Refridgeration
Car Airconditioning
Vegemite!
Killjoy
04-09-00, 01:15 PM
Ouch, Second Impact destroys Australia, then no more eva2000? Maybe eva2000 should move to some higher place, while there's still time ;)
Personally I would like to see a branch of Nerv in Canada. An Eva could go berzerk, eat an Angel and then pick it's teeth with the CN Tower! Yeah, it'd eat that Angel like a piece of Canadian bacon! Them Angels would learn what Canada's all aboot! eh?
vsavatar
04-09-00, 03:14 PM
I just came up with an interesting thought. There's so much barren wasteland in Canada that you could easily hide a massive technological power in Canada... Wait a sec. Now I know! Those bastards have been hiding it from us all along! Canada is really a technological super power with futuristic weapons but they hide it in all the barren wasteland up north. Really clever. I really should switch back to reality sometime, but this is far too fun.
penpen4
05-09-00, 11:28 PM
good point aboot canada:) austrailians invented vegimite? what's that? and one last point, when the news is on durring the ramiel episode, there is a map of japan in the back ground, it looks exactly the way it does now, no flooding?
Ha! Canada having great technology! what rubbish
*climbs back into Eva and walks off into sunset*
Wolfpac
06-09-00, 12:02 AM
Wouldn't Japan be wiped off the map after 2nd impact???
It isn't that far away from Australia
Yes... they say that 2nd Impact stuff ALOT up in Japan... however Japan... is alot hillier and above sea level ALOT more than Australia is!
good point and the water must have risen atleast 60m look at Asuka STrikes for confermation
Instrumentality
10-09-00, 03:08 AM
Well, in "Asuka Strikes" you do see a city that has obviously been submerged but that could have been from geological activity, sinking land not rising water.
Good... I was waiting for someone else to bring that up... well dont forget it is out to sea... so their is NO evidence to suggest that is a Japanese city.... which is what it is commonly mistaken as.
NervCommander
10-09-00, 03:46 AM
didn't say the countries name like new caladonia or something????
gott weib ich willkine ENGEL sein!
Instrumentality
10-09-00, 04:21 AM
It was likely to be a city that was on an island before 2nd Impact, and after was no longer.
Um perhaps it was Nairohe's house?
yeah of course.... but as I said most people say that it is part of Japan that has sunk... I guess use are all to smart to think that.... got I love the intelligencia..
Instrumentality
10-09-00, 04:40 AM
Theres nothing to say that it was'nt part of Japan. I got the impression that they only took a few hours to reach the harbour after they fought the 6th angel. So it could have been an outlying island owned by Japan.
Instrumentality
10-09-00, 04:41 AM
"Mathematics are the language of Nature.
All things in nature can be represented and graphed using numbers.
If you graph the numbers of any system patterns emerge.
Thus, their are patterns everywhere in nature."
Access, this is from Pi is it not?
(dont you read the whole thread)
"Theres nothing to say that it was'nt part of Japan. I got the impression that they only took a few hours to reach the harbour after they fought the 6th angel. So it could have been an outlying island owned by Japan."
Dont be so difinitive... lol
Your reason is possible if it was an island... but what island around Japan has a city that big.... besides it sounds like an excuse... a little to forced for my liking.
Oh and Pi... yes it is...
One of.. if not THE greatest movie of ALL time... I love it!!!! I fell in love with it the momenet i saw the Theatrical preview of it... lol.... sound tracks kicks to!
[Edited by Access on 10-09-2000 at 05:53 PM]
Instrumentality
10-09-00, 05:31 AM
Dont be so difinitive... lol
Your reason is possible if it was an island... but what island around Japan has a city that big.... besides it sounds like an excuse... a little to forced for my liking.
I dont understand...? Perhaps it would help if you realised that sarcasm is not easily read.
well Japan didnt sink thats for sure. remember the battle with Ramiel? when they were about to charge the positron rifle? they showed a good aerial view of Japan (mostly intact) running out of lights. why it didnt could be bec its elevation is higher, yes Access already said that....
twice in fact... lol
Same point three times in the one thread... hehehe
Instrumentality
10-09-00, 06:01 AM
And I still dont understand.
I was saying that:
1 It could have been another nation's city, BUT it only took the UN fleet a few hours to get to Japan from there so it implies that it was close to Jpn, or they have very fast ships.
2 It could have been an outlying Japanese isalnd, BUT there is the problem of finding a big city on an island.
What did you think I meant?
well if you really want to know, do a little research - check the elevation area of all countries and see which ones will survive if the sea level were to rise by 20 (was it 20? whatever) meters. sink those countries then trace the nearest route from Germany to Japan using your new map. then figure out the rest
Instrumentality
10-09-00, 06:21 AM
Ships often dont use the shortest route so they can utilise currents.
It was 80 meters.
Geological disturbances could have screwed up the exact 80 meters fomula.
You're misunderstanding me, nevermind.
[Edited by Instrumentality on 10-09-2000 at 07:24 PM]
One thing that I thought was weird was that when it cut to an aerial shot during the power outage to fight the 5th Angel that both the Japanese landmass and Chinese coastline weren't terribly altered not to me if there was a chatostrophic flooding coastlines would become unrecognisable.
well, when the third Angel attacked there were images showing submerged buildings as the thing swam towards Tokyo-3. same thing when that angel that could split in two attacked, Asuka hop-scotched on submerged buildings to get to it. Only a catastrophe such as the 2nd impact could have caused the sea level to rise even a few metres, local geological activity can't do anything substantial
by the way, second impact is soon people... get ready
Nairohe
10-09-00, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by Instrumentality
It was likely to be a city that was on an island before 2nd Impact, and after was no longer.
Um perhaps it was Nairohe's house?
.....
Like said before it could also have been sinking, in any size earthquake (or tidal wave) land can go through liquifaction, which means it becomes all gooey and stuff sinks into it, as well as it sinking
But in the episode with the 6th Angel the submerged city was very very deep underwater, it seemed a few hundred metres down easily.. I wonder how on Earth that could have happened? Must be the combined effect of geological activity resulting from the 2nd impact as well as the massive rise in sea levels
You could always say 2nd impact affected plate tectonics, maybe it had enough force to shove one of them enough... but that could be reaching for answers a tad too much
Originally posted by Stu
You could always say 2nd impact affected plate tectonics, maybe it had enough force to shove one of them enough... but that could be reaching for answers a tad too much
Well its not as far fetchted as you might think.
after all, it is always summer in Japan because the earth was thrown off this axis somewhat, so it was a pretty big explosion.
ATh
Instrumentality
13-09-00, 07:51 AM
Ath, you suggested I do some research a page or two back. Well, I did, and here it is in excruciating detail :)
The most direct route between Germany and Japan is by air.
The second most direct route is through the arctic ocean, but this is frozen (yes?) so it is unlikely the way that was taken.
The third most direct route is via the meditteraenean (sp) and the suez canal (going east).
The fourth most direct route is west between the americas.
By using a piece of string and a globe I found out that Japan is 22cm away from Germany by air, 51cm by the eastern route, and 57cm by the western route.
I therefore conclude that the UN fleet took the eastern route.
I thought about how far away from the Japanese port they would have had to have been when Gaghiel attacked, and I realised that from the conclusion of the battle to when they arrived could only have been a few hours at most and, probably more like one. How far could a ship travel in an hour? If the port was on Japan's main island (Honshuu?) then it (the battle) would have had to have taken place at least as far north as one of the southern islands (? and ?).
I therefore conclude that the buildings were part of Japan, most likely a sunken part of the mainland (I will take the orbit shots seen in other episodes to be a mistake/erroneous/an incongruency), and retract any comments I may have made about anyone's house...:look:
I put forward the theory that little to no thought was put into the buildings under the sea and their inconsistencies with the orbit shots.
Finally, does anyone have any idea why Unit 02 was'nt transported by air like unit 03 was?
Does that make sense?
[Edited by Instrumentality on 14-09-2000 at 05:24 PM]
well, if EVA-02 was transported by sea then it'd be no fun when the 6th angel came along would it?
But then, it was all probably planned well.. Adam was being transported in the same fleet and so EVA-02 was probably being transported in the same fleet to offer protection if needed.
Instrumentality
13-09-00, 08:18 AM
Then why not transport Adam by air as well?
"I therefore conclude that the UN fleet took the eastern route.
I thought about how far away from the Japanese port they would have had to have been when Gaghiel attacked, and I realised that from the conclusion of the battle to when they arrived could only have been a few hours at most and, probably more like one. How far could a ship travel in an hour? If the port was on Japan's main island (Honshuu?) then it (the battle) would have had to have taken place at least as far north as one of the southern islands (? and ?).
I therefore conclude that the buildings were part of Japan most likely a sunken part of the mainland (I will take the orbit shots seen in other episodes to be a mistake/erroneous/an incongruency).
I put forward the theory that little to no thought was put into the buildings under the sea and their inconsistencies with the orbit shots.
Finally, does anyone have any idea why Unit 02 was'nt transported by air like unit 03 was?
Does that make sense? "
Cool I just did the EVA MArathon and am questioning somethings about this to and was planning to do some research some time... HAHAHA thanks!
Now I was watching NG today and they said that that they were like one day away... so my conclusion is that it is part of Japan as well..... about your little inconsistency... I think their isnt one, the real question is, how well do you know Japan geography? I just assumed it looked like Japan.... maybe it could of been a bit slim... can someone check this...
well, maybe they intentionally transported the EVA and Adam by air to lure the 6th Angel because they knew that the 6th angel could only swim.. it was all planned and thought out beforehand..
Instrumentality
14-09-00, 02:20 AM
Would'nt it be better to run from an enemy than deliberately try to incite a battle?
Well, they did have to kill the angels at SOME point.
Personally, I thought it was to defend Adam. Gendo even tells Kaji on the phone something like "I have provided Unit 02 as a body-guard, as well" (Or maybe I'm just insane.).
The reason they don't ship Adam by plane is, well, one shot, kaboom, plane's gone, third impact.
Not a good way to do it :)
"The third most direct route is via the meditteraenean (sp) and the suez canal (going east).
The fourth most direct route is west between the americas.
By using a piece of string and a globe I found out that Japan is 22cm away from Germany by air, 51cm by the eastern route, and 57cm by the western route.
I therefore conclude that the UN fleet took the eastern route."
wait, i just remembered, the fleet delivering 02 was the pacific fleet so they could have taken the one between the americas....
Hehe, and it looks like you put a bit too much work into this ryzen :)
Gendo said he had provided Kaji with a spare pilot for Unit-02 but if things got too bad he could always leave
markie... I dont believe ANYONE knew where the angels were or looked like..... remmeber when the UN fleet was approaching Japan... eyes lit up underneath the ship... the energy of Adam passing over woke up that Angel....
Seele didnt know where any angels were (except Adam and lillith of course) cause when Nerv found the Angel in the Volcano Seele admitted they need an angel for theur plans and authorised Nerv to capture it.... they didnt know where it was to begin with....
Originally posted by Ura
Hehe, and it looks like you put a bit too much work into this ryzen :)
Gendo said he had provided Kaji with a spare pilot for Unit-02 but if things got too bad he could always leave
me? hehe, didnt do that research... it was Instrumentality
Instrumentality
17-09-00, 12:42 AM
I watched episode 14 last night (this, for the people with poor memories, is the on that is taken up by a reveiw of the preceding episodes and the second Unit 00 berserk incident).
During the reveiw of the fight with Gaghiel it quite clearly says (in one of those white text on black bits) that the fight took place in what was once the Ito Peninsula. Thus this question is resolved. Does anyone know where the Ito pen. is?
well its good you took the initiative Instrumentality!
...Ito peninsula?.... it sounds Japanese... im not sure, maybe we should ask the Japanese members if they are familiar with such....
EvaRobby
18-09-00, 02:21 AM
Well hurry up, I want answers!!!! ;)
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