Join me in signing our decleration of hatred to Nelvana!!

[Ronin Aquila]

Welcome, gentle reader. What you are about to read may offend with the intensity of the contents and the opinions expressed herein. If you might be offended, I advise the pressing of the Back Button.

Ready Now?

It took me some time to copy this, for the Nelvana website somehow knew angry loyalists (like me, for instance) of the original CCS will use the following quote as an argument against their unforgivable injusitice towards the original series. Therefore, it was somehow impossible to copy what they said and paste it directly here. And upon attempts to print the said page, all you get is the main page on your A4.

Anyway, when asked the following:

Why did Nelvana edit the show and alter the content from the original Japanese version.

...and the answer, Ladies And Gentlemen...

Nelvana has a strong reputation for providing quality children's entertainment worldwide with 30 years in the industry. Cardcaptors is directed at children between approximately 6 to 14 years of age and we have made certain decisions to exclude portions of the original in keeping with our standards for children's entertainment. We believe these edits do not take away from the overall positive Cardcaptors experience for viewers.

Dear Mr Eva2000, please shut off the swearing eliminator in the future , for the following sentiments can only be expressed at its true intensity with real profanity....

To the inbred semen drinking motherf^ckers at Nelvana

:ssj: F^CK YOU F^CK YOU F^CK YOU F$UCK YOU ALL THE 18TH PIT OF ASIAN HELL!!!! :ssj:

The original Japanese version did have a target audience of that age and older , f^ck you very much!!

Loving your friends is bad? Heartwarmingly majestic music is wrong? Being kind and polite is abberant? In case I'm not mistaken, positive children entertainment is menat to breed helpful members of society, not turning them into misogynistic and rude brats!! :ssj:

And in case you have not noticed, PEARL HARBOUR WAS SIXTY F^CKING YEARS AGO!!!!!! It's not our fault that some of us are born Chinese or Japanese (I myself am one fourth of the latter and three fourth former), or any other Asian race, for that matter!!

And yet, if what your claim of "exclusion for the sake of standards" is true, the refusal of acknowleding the existence of our race would mean that like what is cut from Japanese works of art as dictated by your high-horse American standards, we Asians are wrong and sordid by nature.

Don't try to deny it!! Your little statement basically says that what is wrong must be removed, you racist motherf^cker!! :ssj:

The extent of the harm that Nelvana promotes with its cuts to CCS extends far beyond mere harm to the narrative, but also in its promotion of cynicism, misogyny, and above all, racism. :(

I know in previous posts I was reminded of the futility of petitions. WHY SAY ITS IMPOSSIBLE IF YOU DON'T EVEN TRY!!

Whenever I receive and ample amount of signatures (IE, email addresses and mails) concerning this grevious outrage, I shall send them post haste to the devils at Nelvana.

Or, better yet, send exceptional statements of anger to newspapers for widespread public acknowledgement. Though it may only knock out support for Nelvana's CC in Melbourne, or possibly a few more cities in Australia, it would still
do the following:

A) Save hundreds of new anime fans from the indignity of being brainwashed by cut up anime.

B) A few cities of Nelvana haters is still a powerful statement.

If you feel equally zealous, please send your sentiments to the Email Address Below:

hatenelvana@yahoo.com

Take Care Brothers And Sisters.

[Eddy]

i HATE ANIME BEING CUT! aND I CAN'T TELL WEATWEATHER THE bRITUISH VERSION WAS CUT OR NOT?? WHAT BITS WERE CUT THEN?

[Fatal Outlaw]

Chill out dude, they cancelled carcaptors PERMANENTLY. and also, they also have the uncut japanese version released by pioneer in america, if you dont like how nelvana did with carcaptors, then go buy the pioneer release!

[Black_Knight]

Agreed…

Did they keep the Cardcaptor theme? I mean the instremental part… I really enjoyed that part…

BTW, this (Cardcaptors) was tame compaired to the Saban trailer for Sailor moon…

[Fungus]

yes, they took it off WB 2 weeks ago:mad: I really have no idea WHAT this orignal sotryline is, anone miond doing a brief fill-in?:confused:

[Ronin Aquila]

Originally posted by Fatal Outlaw
Chill out dude, they cancelled carcaptors PERMANENTLY. and also, they also have the uncut japanese version released by pioneer in america, if you dont like how nelvana did with carcaptors, then go buy the pioneer release!

:Sigh: Thank you sir. I know the "if you don't like it don't buy it" argument. However, as I said, my murderous rage towards Nelvana stems from the fact that they truned the sweetest and nicest animation in existence into another promoter of cynicism, racism and gangsta language, like all other contemporary American cartoons. :(

[Foxxe]

I'm not affected by any of this but I'll support any plight where fans are oppressed by executives who tamper with their beloved anime.

[Eddy]

Originally posted by Ronin Aquila


:Sigh: Thank you sir. I know the "if you don't like it don't buy it" argument. However, as I said, my murderous rage towards Nelvana stems from the fact that they truned the sweetest and nicest animation in existence into another promoter of cynicism, racism and gangsta language, like all other contemporary American cartoons. :(

I thought you were compalining that the cuts made it more innocent? that's what most cuts are about...... are you a guy or girl Aquilla?

[cloakactive]

Originally posted by Eddy


I thought you were compalining that the cuts made it more innocent? that's what most cuts are about...... are you a guy or girl Aquilla?

Ronin is a guy... maybe you should cosplay as Sakura? :lol: .... wait... :dodgy:

[Dryden-san]

Exactly which part of their webpage did that quote come from, Ronin? I can't seem to find it. I did find this, however... Seems Nelvana won two Parents' Choice Awards. What is a 'Parents' Choice Award,' you ask? Why it's this:

"The Parents' Choice Awards seal of approval is awarded to products that meet and exceed standards set by educators, scientists, performing artists, librarians, parents and kids. The Foundation's purpose is to search out and recommend fairly priced products that help kids grow - imaginatively, physically, morally and mentally-and that are fun, safe and socially sound."

Now, guess which show did NOT win a Parents' Choice Award? Settle down, all of you, this one is for Ronin Aquila. Ironically, CCS might have been a candidate for a Parents' Choice Award if they had given it the treatment it deserved. But instead they hacked it to death in the quest for the next Pokemon. Isn't that hilarious?! I knew you'd agree. :p

Look, I hate Nelvana as much as the next CCS fan, but you are not going to get a positive response (or any kind of response) if you send a petition full of insults titled 'Hate Nelvana.' You need a calm, polite, well-reasoned letter. This is assuming you want an actual response instead of being interested solely in blowing off steam. Fact is, a company gets a letter like this in their inbox. they're just going to delete it. If you actually want them to read it, you need to reign yourself in a little. When you do, I'll be glad to sign your petition. In the meantime let me know where you found that quote. I must admit, the irony there is... stunning.

[Ronin Aquila]

:sigh;

Thank you, Mr Dryden-San.

It was found on the FAQ section of Nelvana's official Cardcaptors website.

I was planning to send the Signatures on a seperate Email Address. My other address lupum_argentum@yahoo.com is already occupied as it is, and therefore I created hatenelvana@yahoo.com specifically for the purpose of handling such extrenuous mail. Once received, however, they will be sent (somehow) through my home Email Account.

Anyhoo, the "Dryden" that you are based upon would not happen to be the merchant from Visions of Escaflowne, would he?

[Project Akira]

Originally posted by Ronin Aquila

:Sigh: Thank you sir. I know the "if you don't like it don't buy it" argument. However, as I said, my murderous rage towards Nelvana stems from the fact that they truned the sweetest and nicest animation in existence into another promoter of cynicism, racism and gangsta language, like all other contemporary American cartoons. :( My aren't we stereotyping a bit here? While I will agree that the majority of American cartoons is like that what about Batman the Animated series? Exo Squad? There are probably about 5 or 6 other series that I can think of that are not like any of the things that you mention. Ronin I think you need to settle down and think calmly and rationally about this.

[Dryden-san]

It does not do to judge a man by the things he says in a rage, Akira. Even if that rage has lasted for several years. :p I believe it's a valid criticism, though, if you understand what he's saying. There is quality American animation out there; I wouldn't have gotten into anime at all if I wasn't a fan of animation in general. I've seen all kinds, and what Ronin is true, broadly speaking. Now, I wasn't much impressed by Exo-Squad, but the Batman series (most of them), Gargoyles, Ren and Stimpy (the early episodes), Rocky and Bullwinkle (I don't care what you think of the animation; the dialouge in this show is priceless), etc. are all examples of quality American animation. But that's not the problem.

You see, we have too much stuff like Batman Beyond and nothing like Cardcaptor Sakura. Really, the show just exudes this aura of happiness and charm and sweetness. It's adorable. It's more addicting than crack. And when was the last time you saw something so utterly charming on Saturday morning? So there is a gap to be filled here, but instead of filling it, they ripped the soul of the show out and replaced it with this gaping, apathetic, void of shallowness and superficiality. In their quest to market it as the next Pokemon and make it palatable to the percieved mass market, they removed everything that made the show good to watch. That's what we're angry about: it wasn't enough they had to slash and burn another anime, they turned the epitome of sweetness and light into a twisted mockery of what it once was.

And yes, I named myself after the merchant from Escaflwone. Millerna was a fool to choose that shallow playboy Allen over his rugged good looks and burgeoning brainpower. :) I checked the Cardcaptors website, and it seems to be down. I imagine since the show was cancelled, it'll be removed completely before too long. A pity. I'd have liked to see that quote for myself. Maybe it's for the best... But I doubt it.

[Icantpickascreename]

The directors of the american version will not change it. Believe me I was mad for 2 years, and what a waste. Who cares about the american version? Just watch the Japanese DVD's and chill....jeez mon.

[Project Akira]

Originally posted by Dryden-san
It does not do to judge a man by the things he says in a rage, Akira. Even if that rage has lasted for several years. :p I believe it's a valid criticism, though, if you understand what he's saying. There is quality American animation out there; I wouldn't have gotten into anime at all if I wasn't a fan of animation in general. I've seen all kinds, and what Ronin is true, broadly speaking. Now, I wasn't much impressed by Exo-Squad, but the Batman series (most of them), Gargoyles, Ren and Stimpy (the early episodes), Rocky and Bullwinkle (I don't care what you think of the animation; the dialouge in this show is priceless), etc. are all examples of quality American animation. But that's not the problem. Rocky and Bullwinkle IS classic televison. The dialogue is full of witty humour and can be watched by people of all ages. Before creator John Kricfalusi was fired (stupidly) by Nickleodeon, Ren and Stimpy was the series that had brought cartoons into a new era and in fact pop culture with it's gross out humor and sharp wit. I miss those early episodes but was pleased to see Kricfalusi do those Yogi Bear cartoons about two years ago that were the funniest stuff I had seen since well, the original Ren and Stimpy episodes.

[rascal45]

Hey PA, you like John K.'s work? He's now working on another series called the Ripping Friends on FOX, Saturday mornings at 10 am EST. Anyway, I don't really like how they handle Cardcaptors. But, heck anything was better than Pokemon in my opinion. :p

[Ronin Aquila]

What do you mean better treatment? Yoko Kanno's original music that accompanied Sakura-Chan's battles were meant to inspire wondrous dreams of epic heroism in kids.

Nelvana's nihilistic techno-trash-noise, however, accopanying the already somewhat frightening images of the majestic clow cards manifested, would give them Goddamm nightmares, Dammit!!

This is evidence is a newly found argument in my statement of hatred towards Nelvana's unforgivable murder of CCS.

[Ronin Aquila]

And yes, Mr Cloakactive. Sakura-Chan is on my 'to do in the future" list of cosplays. :kawaii:

Till Next Time Take Care Of Yourselves And Each Other. :kawaii:

[Shenrezade]

I am a bit new to cutting stuff from Animes and games to make them more appropriate. However, I now know why people get so uppity about it. This is off topic, but I'll get back on it shortly.

I'm sure you people have probably heard of the Tales of Destiny game for the Playstation? Well, I own it, and enjoyed it. When I heard the sequel, Tales of Eternia, was coming out, I rushed to find out anything about it. ToE is the third in the Tales series, with ToD being second, and Tales of Phantasia(Japan only) being first. ToE had a great opening song, and the title and character names were good, as well. However, all was not right. For when it arrived here, I found out that the name was changed to Tales of Destiny 2, merely for marketing purposes. Additionally, names were changed for the sake of Americanization, and the beautiful opening music was changed to a bad instumental piece, merely because the localization was a) too lazy to bother to translate it, or b) figured that leaving it the way it was would be dumb. I wasn't happy, and this is what led me to dislike cuts and changes.

Now, back on topic, The name of the show is Card Captor SAKURA, is it not? It's a shojou magical girl anime, right? It deals with things that young girls go through, such as school, and crushes on older guys. It had great music, right?(I still wanna dance every time I hear the opening theme!) So, why go and tear it to pieces, and completely reformat it so that it seems to center more around Li and being tough and such than it does around Sakura and her experiences? At least Sailor Moon was still about Sailor Moon and not Darien when it got hacked to pieces. If they can't leave a good majority in, they shouldn't bother trying to realease it in the first place. Cause the rewrite alone is a buttload of work, isn't it? They should've just changed it, minisculy( and by that, I mean, just remove words, while still making the story make sense) so that it doesn't say right out that girls and boys that young are gay. It is possible, you know.

[Ronin Aquila]

Well, all I can say about those brainless know-nothing hypocrites at Nelvana is that they are too busy jacking off in Massage Parlours with underaged servants to care. :(

[Shenrezade]

I have photos. Hehehehehehe!!

[Ronin Aquila]

Photos???!!!!??!!! :vomit:

[Icantpickascreename]

Originally posted by Ronin Aquila
Welcome, gentle reader. What you are about to read may offend with the intensity of the contents and the opinions expressed herein. If you might be offended, I advise the pressing of the Back Button.

Ready Now?

It took me some time to copy this, for the Nelvana website somehow knew angry loyalists (like me, for instance) of the original CCS will use the following quote as an argument against their unforgivable injusitice towards the original series. Therefore, it was somehow impossible to copy what they said and paste it directly here. And upon attempts to print the said page, all you get is the main page on your A4.

Anyway, when asked the following:

Why did Nelvana edit the show and alter the content from the original Japanese version.

...and the answer, Ladies And Gentlemen...

Nelvana has a strong reputation for providing quality children's entertainment worldwide with 30 years in the industry. Cardcaptors is directed at children between approximately 6 to 14 years of age and we have made certain decisions to exclude portions of the original in keeping with our standards for children's entertainment. We believe these edits do not take away from the overall positive Cardcaptors experience for viewers.

Dear Mr Eva2000, please shut off the swearing eliminator in the future , for the following sentiments can only be expressed at its true intensity with real profanity....

To the inbred semen drinking motherf^ckers at Nelvana

:ssj: F^CK YOU F^CK YOU F^CK YOU F$UCK YOU ALL THE 18TH PIT OF ASIAN HELL!!!! :ssj:

The original Japanese version did have a target audience of that age and older , f^ck you very much!!

Loving your friends is bad? Heartwarmingly majestic music is wrong? Being kind and polite is abberant? In case I'm not mistaken, positive children entertainment is menat to breed helpful members of society, not turning them into misogynistic and rude brats!! :ssj:

And in case you have not noticed, PEARL HARBOUR WAS SIXTY F^CKING YEARS AGO!!!!!! It's not our fault that some of us are born Chinese or Japanese (I myself am one fourth of the latter and three fourth former), or any other Asian race, for that matter!!

And yet, if what your claim of "exclusion for the sake of standards" is true, the refusal of acknowleding the existence of our race would mean that like what is cut from Japanese works of art as dictated by your high-horse American standards, we Asians are wrong and sordid by nature.

Don't try to deny it!! Your little statement basically says that what is wrong must be removed, you racist motherf^cker!! :ssj:

The extent of the harm that Nelvana promotes with its cuts to CCS extends far beyond mere harm to the narrative, but also in its promotion of cynicism, misogyny, and above all, racism. :(

I know in previous posts I was reminded of the futility of petitions. WHY SAY ITS IMPOSSIBLE IF YOU DON'T EVEN TRY!!

Whenever I receive and ample amount of signatures (IE, email addresses and mails) concerning this grevious outrage, I shall send them post haste to the devils at Nelvana.

Or, better yet, send exceptional statements of anger to newspapers for widespread public acknowledgement. Though it may only knock out support for Nelvana's CC in Melbourne, or possibly a few more cities in Australia, it would still
do the following:

A) Save hundreds of new anime fans from the indignity of being brainwashed by cut up anime.

B) A few cities of Nelvana haters is still a powerful statement.

If you feel equally zealous, please send your sentiments to the Email Address Below:

hatenelvana@yahoo.com

Take Care Brothers And Sisters.

another useless post to try and hate Nelvana when they have already done something you cannot change....Look people! There are DVD's and VHS' of the original version out there! Just stop whining, flaming, and hating nelvana, when you could discuss about the original CCS. That's why this forum is called CCS.,... :rolleyes:

[AKACutie121]

What if you only know what cc is like?!? :( don't hate me for being a newbie!!! I know of no other kind of cc!!!:o

[Ronin Aquila]

Watch the original Japanese version, and you'll develop a most healthy hatred for Nelvana's act of butchering the franchise too. :)

[John Faulkner]

Maybe you lot should get fox kids then-didn't see too many cuts there.Theme song,kero's corner,all there.

[Ronin Aquila]

But I presume Tomoyo-Chan's love for Sakura-Chan is regrettably abscent, correct? :(

[John Faulkner]

What exactly happened between them?

[Ronin Aquila]

Tomoyo-Chan is basically a caring big sister figure who genuinely loves Sakura-Chan and makes it her purpose in life to give Sakura-Chan happiness and glory. (Ain't that just so sweet!!) :kawaii:

[John Faulkner]

Yeah,I think the scenes with Madison and Sakura were in there.

[Ayanamipuff]

Originally posted by Eddy


I thought you were compalining that the cuts made it more innocent? that's what most cuts are about...... are you a guy or girl Aquilla?


They made it LESS innocent.

[Ronin Aquila]

I love CCS because it has an idealistically innocent world that can never possibly exist.

And yes, I'm a guy. :)

[Ayanamipuff]

Originally posted by Ronin Aquila
I love CCS because it has an idealistically innocent world that can never possibly exist.



I love it for that as well. The opposite of Evangelion.

[Ronin Aquila]

Evangelion's failure is that it contains far too much reality for what is fundamentally an escapist fantasy that fulfils violent and carnal adolescent fantasies of authority and sexual omnipotence.

[icie]

Evangelion was not a failure. It quite successfully combined reality and fantasy to appeal enough to viewers (albeit warped viewers).

[Ronin Aquila]

What I meant was the show's fatal flaw , much as it is a respected classic. :)

[Ayanamipuff]

I didn't mean that as a bad thing! I like Card Captor Sakura andEvangelion equaly because when you think about it, they are absolute opposites, meaning I love them for opposite reasons.

[icie]

sai-yo...

I love Eva because it is twisted, and to some degree, I am twisted too.
I love CCS because it appeals to the childish and "good" side of me...

damn...I sound like a schizoprenic(spn?)...

[Ronin Aquila]

Originally posted by icie
sai-yo...

I love Eva because it is twisted, and to some degree, I am twisted too.
I love CCS because it appeals to the childish and "good" side of me...

damn...I sound like a schizoprenic(spn?)...

Don't worry, aren't we all. :heh:

And "Good" does not always mean childish, buddy. :kawaii:

[icie]

for me it is... :)

[Ronin Aquila]

Well, at least you don't have an elder sibling who regurgitates all her rage towards her father on the nearest male substitue when he is overseas. Namely, that male substitue is yourself. :(

Consider yourself very lucky in that regard, young man. :)

[Project Akira]

I've got a simple solution for you people that hate Cardcaptors so much; DON'T WATCH IT!!! And if you get enough people to not watch it then networks will have no choice but to not air the series anymore for lack of an audience! Good lord don't you people have lives other than to bash a harmless children's show simply because it deviates from it's Japanese original?

[John Faulkner]

I managed to get hold of a few episodes of Cardcaptors in Japanese the other day and found the Japanese version to be better on account of a better opening and ending sequence and Kero's voice sounded better.Some bits are cut out in the English version e.g. episode 1 a part was cut out from the Sakura-Touya at the breakfast table bit,episode 2 Sakura visiting Yuki was cut out.However,only a few scenes were cut out from each episode.

Other differences would include Kero having an Osaka accent as opposed to a 'cool dude' accent,Sakura's surname being Kinamoto rather than Avalon,Tomoyo Doudeji to the English version's Madison,and different music in some places (e.g. the battle sequence between Sakura and the Shadow card episode 2).I still think the dubbed version is not too bad though.

I'd prefer to think of Evangelion as a predominantly escapist fantasy setting designed to saturate a shallow one's instinctive sexual and megalomaniac desires,yet simultaneously satisfying the brain's need for philosophical enhancement and soothing the insecurities of one within.Plus,it had a pretty good plot.

And you're right Project Akira,I thought the english version was harmless too,although Ronan I get this feeling you disagree......

[Eddy]

i suppose if you rearanged evangellion and Cardcaptor sakura you could have shinji capturing angels with a magical staff and Sakura piloting an eva fighting clow cards:lol:

you could have Cardcaptor evangellion and neon genesis Sakura.....

would'nt it bve great if they did anime spin-offs with all sorts of different caharcters meeting each other? Kenshiro (fist of the north star) meets Sakura. that would be an interesting match.




:D

[Ronin Aquila]

All Sakura-Chan needs to do is to freeze his ass with the time card, and she'll be making ken burgers with the sword card in no time. :kawaii:

Woo Hoo, I'm A Forum Master Now!!

[Eddy]

So that would make you a... let's see..

Junior member-cadet
membrer-private
senior member-corporal
executive member-seargeant
forum junkie-Lieutenant
Forum addicted-Captain
forum elite-Major
Forum master-General
Moderator-Senator
Senior moderator- secreaty of state
Administrator-President

so that makes you a General Ronin aquilla:lol: ...hmmm....General Aquilla..has a nice ring to it.

[Ronin Aquila]

Why naturally!! :kawaii:

The word "Aquila" is after all Latin for:

1) Eagle

2) The Roman Army's Bronze Standard Pole, which bares a Golden Eagle.

Thank you ever so much, Lieutenant Eddy. :kawaii:

[Eddy]

Thanks General! *salutes*.....*i may get a promotion for this:D *

[Ronin Aquila]

I hereby grant thee the title of Centurium Pirmium of the Legionem Aquilam. Stand up to receive thy knighting, Centurion Eddy!! :D

[Eddy]

Centurion? .....i wanted the rank of Grand Admiral:( :lol:

[Ronin Aquila]

:lol: Sure, I'll throw in a fleet of Carthagian Warships manned with wild haired Spaniard Mercenaries while I'm at it.

[Lt Zechs]

(I only read the first post, so it may seem off-current-discussion)
Anime is a Japanese art from and I think that it has to be the best in all the world. You compare ANY western drawings to Japanese drawings and they stand no chance. That’s why the US and other countries have to rip, cut, butcher, defile, and 'translate' Japanese Anime since they cant draw for peanuts and they know it. What they do to Anime is a desecration of art and shouldn’t be tolerated by the Japanese, the US must pay a lot of money to be able 'edit' the Anime the way they do, its not fair to the western Anime fan community.
Isn’t their someway to stop this violation of Anime?

[icie]

Interesting fact:

Many anime (especially the trade mark "big eyes") were inspired by the first Disney movies.

But of course, anime has since overtaken all western cartoons and disney as well (which has turned into a bloated corporation of gimmicks).

[Eddy]

Well anime first came from American comics that japaneese prisoners saw from American POW's..so in a way i guess "Americinising anime" is'nt all that violating. Anyway they only really hack into kids shows like Pokemon and CCS. i've seen the changes made to CCS and there's nothing much to complain about except the accents..i don't think i've seen the Nelvana version. anyway i prefer dubbed to subbed. Sometimes "Americanising" anime is a good thing. Especially in Nadesico, The english version of Admiral Munetake's voice was unreplacable^^ and Spike Spencer does the role of all his characters much more emotionally than the original VA's.

to me, it' all a matter of the quality of the dubb not who dubbed(or VActed it).

[John Faulkner]

Most dubs are really rubbish though where everyone speaks in monotone voices.Also,I don't like the way the English versions always seem to leave out the proper beginnings and endings.That said,good dubs are definitely welcome.Once you start seeing a lot of dubbed stuff,all the characters from different series suddenly start sounding like each other......

Stylish new picture by the way Eddy-is this your feminine side showing through?

[Ronin Aquila]

Originally posted by Eddy
...Spike Spencer does the role of all his characters much more emotionally than the original VA's.



Actually, he failed as Mackie Stingray and Ikari Shinji, for both of them are emotionally stunted characters, and therefore the original (and more callous) performances were much more apporopriate to their incapability of expressing proper emotions.

[Eddy]

Err..when i meant emotionally i just meant the tone of his voice fitted in with how he was acting. the emotion of solitude is STILL an emotion and there is a certain tone of voice you need.

[Eddy]

Stylish new picture by the way Eddy-is this your feminine side showing through? [/B][/QUOTE]

Oh you!... hee hee hee!:o

[Lt Zechs]

Yes I do agree that the English dubs do tend to 'sound' alot better in the way of character voices, although I have heard the same english voice in about 4 different Anime cartoons.
But I still don't see the point in the way they take out scenes and edit out certain animations, I saw a episode of CCS in both Japanese and English dub (I dont know the title, it was the one with the clow card in the painting) and a scene they took out was when they were trying to be quiet so they used signs to communicate with each other, now the signs were in Japanese but in the English dub that part and many other scenes with Japanese writing were taken out.
Now I dont know why they would do that, are they trying to hide the fact that its a Japanese cartoon? If so they are useing pitiful means and arent doing to well either.

[Ronin Aquila]

Just like in Americanised Sailor Moon, they did not even bother to paint out the Japanese letters on the screen. For a bunch of Japanese hating captitalist racists, the censors are not really putting a lot of commitment into their hatred.

[Ayanamipuff]

Heheheheheh.... I've found a site showing the differences betwixt CCS & CC... The site has some spoilers, just to warn you.

Card Captor Sakura vs. CARDCAPTORS (http://www.ccsvscc.com)

Have fun!

[Eddy]

Originally posted by Lt Zechs
) and a scene they took out was when they were trying to be quiet so they used signs to communicate with each other, now the signs were in Japanese but in the English dub that part and many other scenes with Japanese writing were taken out.
Now I dont know why they would do that, are they trying to hide the fact that its a Japanese cartoon? If so they are useing pitiful means and arent doing to well either.

They're doing it because most english speaking kids and adults can't understand japaneese language. What's the point having them using japaneese writing if no-one understands it?

If that's the best you can say about How bad Amricanising anime is you really should stop being so picky, Remember Cardcaptor Sakura was intended for a wide kids audience, not jsut for anime fans.

[Lt Zechs]

(Not being picky) :/
Its just that was a good scene, and I think its unfair to the people who only see the Americanised versions for them to miss out, and unfair to the other people who have to import DvDs just to watch them in full effects.
I just really dont like finding out later after watching something that it had bits cut out just to sensor a bunch of mythical small minded childern that the US think are the basis for all people and need to be protected.

[Eddy]

that's like japanees ekids saying "those signs on scoobys doo's van were made english! what are japaneese people rying to do, censor the fact that scooby doo is english?"^^

[Lt Zechs]

Why would anyone in Japan want to watch scooby doo?
They have so much cool Anime to watch instead! :)
I think that there just shouldnt be any difference at all between the countries, except maybe the voice actors, if its needed/wanted.
Also in Cardcaptors the season ended early, before the 2nd series even (well in Australia anyway) why was that? or has this question already been answered?

[Eddy]

i can't tell....Miss Mcken\ie was acting weird a lot and it ended shortly after that.

[Ronin Aquila]

Maybe it is because the censors' "don't talk about romance" policy got in the way of romance's integral importance to the closure of the first narrative arc, realised that it's too late, then packed up and ran before anyone notices.

[suzaku]

Originally posted by Lt Zechs
Why would anyone in Japan want to watch scooby doo?
They have so much cool Anime to watch instead! :)
I think that there just shouldnt be any difference at all between the countries, except maybe the voice actors, if its needed/wanted.
Also in Cardcaptors the season ended early, before the 2nd series even (well in Australia anyway) why was that? or has this question already been answered?

you know why Japan watch Scooby Doo...'coz it's an american animation

for Japan, American animation is somehow equal to anime to us non-japanese otakus...but a little bit fanatic

[suzaku]

Originally posted by Lt Zechs
Why would anyone in Japan want to watch scooby doo?
They have so much cool Anime to watch instead! :)
I think that there just shouldnt be any difference at all between the countries, except maybe the voice actors, if its needed/wanted.
Also in Cardcaptors the season ended early, before the 2nd series even (well in Australia anyway) why was that? or has this question already been answered?

you know why Japan watch Scooby Doo...'coz it's an american animation

for Japan, American animation is somehow equal to anime to us non-japanese otakus...but less fanatic

[suzaku]

>_<

damn lag time...

can any of the mods delete my last post???

arigatou