FF7 vs FF8

[Lil Tenshi]

well this is kinda hard for me. FF7 has a much better storyline. FF8 has much better characters n enemies. FF7 has all other better stuff dan ff8. but this is MY opinion

[heart havok]

i can't participate in this thread...

i love all the final fantasy games, and i do not compare one to another in terms of which is better. i will say this though!

final fantasy VII's ending sucked ass! but yes...

[Oogami Ichirou]

I agree with lil tenshi, FF7 is better with depth and storyline, even gameplay, FF8's graphics are sharper tho

[Lil Tenshi]

yes it's true it sucked, but da rest of da story is madd good. I can barely follow ff8's though

[heart havok]

that's because the story in ffVIII is for mature audiences

[Oogami Ichirou]

I can follow FF8's storyline farely well, I just find FF7's storyline more attractive and interesting. :| That's just my opinion...

[daniel480]

I, too, cant participate but I can give my opinions...

FFVII had a DEEP storyline, deeper than several FFs. It, as said pevious, is a "mature" storyline therefore it seems more real, it also attracts more. It is dramatic and ironical storyline... different from several previous games... It had drama, tragedy, death, horror [a teenyweeny bit] and more...

[heart havok]

[b]while desiphering which you like, you have to put the idea to the side that ffVII's story is more 'whateveer'... they were both equally involving and indepth and twisted, and etcetc... it's just that ffVII is a psychological thriller whilst ffVIII is a tragedy/drama/romance... they're two differnt types of stories. that's like comparing the illiad with the dictionary. but yes... final fantasy VII's ending sucked ass... it just pisses me off thinking about it. ffVIII's is awesome. and i';m gone.

[Yalind]

Well I liked FFVII more than I liked FFVIII, and that´s that! :)

[Lil Tenshi]

well, it's just i like rpg's that has to do wit saving da world. FFVII has a much better story to do wit saving da world

[Lil Tenshi]

I'm a lil curious. Who likes FF8 more ??? n why ??? i think i know da answer to FF7 so i won't ask that. :D

[Foryth]

Even though i liked both, i think i liked FF8 better. It was very character devlopment and interaction oriented, and i must say i prefer this aspect of the game over FF7. But both have they pros and cons.

[Lil Tenshi]

Da onlythang i hate about FF7 is da graphic and character development. You can barely see their noses and mouth in battle. I'mnot really sure y Cait Sith had to be a character. He looks ugly. They should let us use the man who controls Cait Sith, Reeve.

[MrBS]

Originally posted by heart havok
[b]yes... final fantasy VII's ending sucked ass... it just pisses me off thinking about it. ffVIII's is awesome. and i';m gone.

What? um.. uh what! I love the ending of FF7 it the reason why I've spent so much time playing that game, just to go through all the plot developments again and again until I reach the finale. As for FF8 after watching the end I promptly returned the game and never played it again, not even to do the subquests, where's my motivation?

[daniel480]

Final Fantasy VII's ending FMV i ok... it did sumwhat dissapoint me a teeny bit but overall I still found it statisfactory...^^ I especially loved those Weapon FMVs... I LOVED the weapons and thought they were awesome! diamond weapoin, ruby weapon, emerald weapon, ultima weapon, and whatever that swimming weapon that attacked junon harbor was called...

[Lil Tenshi]

almost all of da weapons look da same. well not really. but the ultima weapon seem to have almost nothin in common wit da other. It got wings n i think it was da only one wit a mouth. How come ???

[Shadow War]

They are both good but FF8 feels strange in places. FF8's graphics overall are better, but that means nothing in the overall opinion of the game. FF7 is the type of game you can play so many times. It is really a great game.

Squall is the most unlikable character in all the final fantasies! I just don't like him, more than cloud. I have played FF7 about 5 times and FF8 2 times. On that I would say FF7 is better but they are all good. What about FF9?

[Lil Tenshi]

well i nevr played ff9 yet.....

[Oogami Ichirou]

FF9 looks pretty good I guess, isnt the main characters Adelbert Steiner? Yeah it is.. heh :heh:

[heart havok]

hmph to those of you who actually compare any final fantasy to another!

[Lil Tenshi]

well chu want me to compare LoD wit ff7 ?!?! surely ff7 should win

[daniel480]

Geez... each FF game is unique from another guys... there are some terms where you can't compare between FF games... Each one has its special traits... kindof like a person if you think about it... only a few things are the sane in all of them.. such as te chocobo and the well known Final Fantasy Prelde played before almost every FFgame besides a few such as FFV...

BTW... Albert Steiner is not the main character of FFIX.. he is the big knoght that accompanies themain character in the story.^^

[Yalind]

You´re right daniel, each final fantasy game is good in it´s own way...

[Lil Tenshi]

so, there's no point y i CAN'T compare da final fantasies

[Rudy Roughnight]

FF7 is way better than FF8, mostly becuase it has a better storyline, better characters, and most of all, it has the mp system unlike ff8.

[Lil Tenshi]

yes. but the character development is much worst dan ff8's. dats all i liek about ff8

[heart havok]

actually, you may have your terms mistaken... ffVIII had terrible character developement... the only thing that kept it going was the gameplay and the romantic storyline. ffVII, on the other hand, had the great character developement, cloud's a clone, sephiroth's bio-engineered, daryl this, marlene that... all ffVIII had was 'ooh, we all grew up in the same orphonage' yay... that wasn't that big of a deal in character developement. it fit well with the story though, therefore, it was fesable.

[Edited by heart havok on 02-10-2000 at 11:45 AM]

[daniel480]

I agree heart havok.. oh yeah... you grade the FF's by what YOUR tastes are... I personally like all of them in their own ways... heh^^;; you can say I examine RPGs while playing them^^;;

[Lil Tenshi]

cloud's not a clone. He's a messed up boy who couldn't make it to SOLDIER so he went on to Shinra Inc. Sorceresses are kool that's why i picked ff8 for dat

[Lil Tenshi]

oh yeah, in addition to cloud. He made himself take Zack'd place to impress Tifa.

[Oogami Ichirou]

Who is the main character in ff9 then??? O.o;

[daniel480]

See... there is where you are wrong... Cloud didn't take Zach's place on purpose... notice how he believed it to the extent that Tifa had to go into his conciousness to recess his true past? This I think, is another work of Jenova...

The main character for FFIX is that thief boy.. remember? know the name but not sure about the spelling... there are a few others such as the knight *Albert Steiner*, The black mage... etcetc.

[Lil Tenshi]

well still i dun think FF7 has da beta character dev. And remember this is my opinion !!!

[Shadow War]

I agree...

[Krang]

No just kidding. I like FF7 way better than FF8, but only a bit better than the other FF's.

I thought Cloud was a clone. I better play through it again.
But Bigfire's got my copy.

[Shadow War]

Cloud was not a clone, On the 3rd disk go back to the mansion in clouds hometown and down to the basement. A scene will happen and show how Cloud and Zack escaped from been experiments and what happened to Zack. He was going to be made into something but he escaped, but he still had jenova cells from the experiments.

Also read some of the books at the back of the room in the basement, they explain a bit too.

[Lil Tenshi]

yeah. so if you think clouds a clone, i think you should play it all over again

[daniel480]

Yes.. cloud was not a clone... but cloud was engineered like sephiroth was... te only difference between them is that Sephiroth was engineered and subdued in mako at his very beginning of his life while cloud was experimented and enginered as a teen... [age differences when engineered basically...] Zach looks kind of funny with his haitdo.. reminds me of dragonball Z... :heh: ... oh well.. he looks awesome in the real pencil drawings I've seen from an FFVII art book... oh well...

[heart havok]

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cloud IS a clone... when you go into the back of shinra mansion and all that ----, then what it's showing is the making of "the cloud." a title part of one of the flashbacks that were taken out of the finalized game. however, when it shows cloud and zack in the tubes, then it showing that cloud's a clone of {guess who!}... now come on guys, you can't tell me that you were actually fooled by that! they were trying to pull you AWAY from the truth. simple story telling... when the reader's getting too close to the truth before you want them to, then you throw them off with something. this was that something... when they break out, then the process is not completed, thus, the "headaches"...

eitherway, another thing is that cloud DID NOT take place of Zach on his own... i find it hard to fathom that anyone would be thrown off on that part. in cloud's memory, he KNEW his past incorrectly... it's that simple. it's called confagulation... a psychology term which is the meaning for a LIE that you've created, yet you believe it as well. there's also given proof that Jenova cells also helped ---- up cloud's mind, but i wouldn't know about that because they don't go into enough detail.

and finally, there isn't a main character in ffIX. it's not only going back to it's roots so as where the setting is more of a medieval nature, but it's ALSO going back to its roots so as everyone's a main character. most like ffIV and VI, ffIX is consentrating on each character's addition to the developing plot. less so like ffIV, moreso in ffVI, it could be argued that the plot revolves around terra, but that's not true, because the plot revolves more around espers in general. then you could say it revolves around cecles, but then, she's not there from the beggining. then there's locke and the figaro twins. oin ffIX, however, it shall be moreso obvious that it revolves around ALL the characters because at specific times, you will be able to see -by choice- what the other characters are doing in the specific town you are visiting. also, there will be many times when you will be focusing on a differant character than Zaidane. also, Hironobu Sakaguchi says so.

[the following is for your information]
FFIX character names...
Zaidane -[male]bandit. boy wonder with a tail-
Vivi -[male?]9year old black mage-
Edward Steiner -[male]Royal Knight of Alexanria. personal bodyguard of Princess Garnet-
Princess Garnet -[female]a princess and white mage-
Eiko -[female]rumored to be a summoner-
Fajita -[female] dragoon-
Quina -[male]something that cooks. LOOKS like the "Cait Sith" of ffIX-
Salamander -[male]the only character whose fingers don't fall below the knee. he's a kickboxer type like sabin, yang, tifa, etc.-


there you have it... enjoy. i can also list the known summons if you'd like.

[Baldur]

Hi all...my quick 2 cents here!
Indeed, as many of you have stated..the plot in ff7 was very deep and very easy to follow (for most), and the graphics in ff8 are much better than in ff7. In my own opinion here, at least for me, i would much prefer better plot over better graphics! Seriously...graphics are great..and add to the overall affect of the game, but bah! Great plot makes the playing all worth while. You can actually finish the game and smile and tell yourself, "that was one heck of a game!". You know the feeling you get..
anyways, thats just my 2 cents!
Hope I didnt bust anyones fuse on that one.. =)
Catch you all later!

-Baldur

[heart havok]

hey there Baldur, thank you for sharing your 2cents, and welcome to the furums!

[MrBS]

Originally posted by Baldur
In my own opinion here, at least for me, i would much prefer better plot over better graphics!

Well if I didn't agree with you theres no way in hell I could of gone back to FF7 because FF8 looks sooooo good!

[daniel480]

heh^^ nodnod... VERY VERY true heart havok... great persuasional post there!^^

[Lil Tenshi]

fine tell me, if cloud is a clone, aint he supposed to be like da other clonez ? Ur makin me REAL confused

[MrBS]

The way I see it is Cloud is not a clone. He was Tifa's childhood freind who went off and joined soldier and failed. After that little Sephiroth bezerko incident back in his home town Cloud was used in the reuinion experiment. After escaping his friend Zack was killed. The injection of Jenova cells as well as being nearly killed &(*&^ him up so he decided to start living Zacks life (distirbed boy). Sephiroth stating he was 'created' five years ago might have just meant his current state not that he was built from nothing or it could have been mind games. Well I think I've crapped on enough.

[Lil Tenshi]

yeah datz wat i mean. so he aint a clone

[daniel480]

heh^ My first thought was that Cloud was being injected with Jenova while in the tube with Zach... and that is why he was all groggy when he came out... and Sephiroth went throught te process that Cloud just went through many years agao so he doesn't remember or something... no real answer to that... just people's guesses on what happened...

[Yalind]

Well the question of whether or not Cloud is a clone is hard to answer, everyone can just guess really which is the real truth...
And everyone has their own opinions and theories on what is true or not...as it would appear from the game Cloud is not a clone just someone who´s been tampered with using the Jenova cells, Mako exposure, memory lapses and all that...but it can also be true that he is indeed a clone with fabricated memories and such as both Sephiroth and Jenova try convincing him of...

[Lil Tenshi]

i believe he's NOT alone, :D

[ssjkasey]

Nope my vote says he's not a clone. Hi Yalind :B:

[MrBS]

The though of Cloud not being a clone was never in question with me (except the first time round, of course. However I'm more perplexed about the fact that the Sephiroth that the crew follow around throughout the game, is he clone?

I think he is because of the remark that Sephiroth has the tatoo '1' on his hand and the fact that you find Sephiroth fused in materia in the creater even though he was running around terrorising Cloud and the fact that you have that final final encounter with Sephiroth after killing him already. Either the Sephiroth in the game right up to the end is a clone or hes some kind of mental projection from the Sephiroth fused in the materia, any thoughts?

[ssjkasey]

Yes indeed. I think he is a clone.Been a while since I played it. Could he be one of the successful clones Hojo was trying to make?

[MrBS]

Originally posted by kamikaze_kasey
Could he be one of the successful clones Hojo was trying to make?

Going by the evidence I'd say he was the first sucessful clone and only sucessful clone of Sephiroth

[ssjkasey]

I agree. :B:

[Yalind]

As do I...Sephiroth has to be the one clone that was successful...

Well, i have a question...could that be the reason why Hojo refers to Sephiroth as "his son", because of the fact that he is a clone that Hojo MADE...or is he REALLY the father of Sephiroth? We get told in the game that Lucrecia is the real mother of Sephiroth, but I didn´t get a clear picture of who the real father is...I can´t remember that they say anywhere in the game that they (Lucrecia and Hojo) had a relationship of some sort...i just remember being "hearing" that Lucrecia was pregnant and such...but i could just be suffering from memory loss... :)

Well, could anyone enlighten me on this matter...?

[ssjkasey]

I have no clue..heheh I might have to play the whole game again :B:. Oh didn't they say something in the flashback when Vincent gets his ultimate weapon in Lucrecia's cave? I can't remember..

[Yalind]

I don´t remember if they said anything important in there either...not about Hojo at least...total memory loss... :D

[ssjkasey]

Maybe we've both lost our minds. Oh well, kick back and relax with me Yalind. Have some rootbeer with me :beer:

[Yalind]

Oh rootbeer :B: why thank you kasey...And yes I have definitely lost my mind...I´m totally insane :B:

[ssjkasey]

We can start a club! You have to be out of your mind and drink lots of rootbeer. :B:

[Yalind]

:lol:
Yes the fanclub of Insanity! :B:

Anyone wanna join? :B:

[ssjkasey]

If we build it they will come.... *sips some rootbeer*mmmm

[Yalind]

Yes they will...all the insane and crazy people... :B:

[ssjkasey]

:B: .....who drink rootbeer.....

[Yalind]

Yes that too!! :lol:

[heart havok]

i don't drink caffeen...



well... Hojo and Lucrecia were together... Vincent is their son {x-turk), when Vincent was turned into a Vampire, then Hojo went insane, and attempted to create a new "son" Sephiroth. the Sephiroth experiment failed, Lucrecia died, Hojo realized Sephiroth's powers, therefore decided to clone Sephiroth. the onle {somewhat} successful clone was the CLOUD. CLOUD was living thru Zack's memories... meaning; he thought Zack's memories were his own {this is called confagulation... when you truly believe your own lie}.

[Lil Tenshi]

well how can he be a clone when he was tifa's childhood friend.
if vincent was their son, why did like like Lucrecia ?
so....maybe i'm goin insane ? can i join da club too ?

[Drythemis]

Well, I didn't play as much of FF7 as I did of FF8,
but there are lot of good and bad things about both.
FF8 definitely had better CG, and in some ways, fights.
It could've been a slightly better storyline in my
opinion, and there are some things I'd change about
the fighting system. FF7 seemed to get a little drawn
out in some of the Cloud sequences in my opinion...

Drythemis, who thinks FF3 is the best anywayz...

"Where in the Nine Hells did you get the idea that I
would fight fair?" ~Drizzt Do'Urden

[heart havok]

yes... FFVI compares well to the two considering it was made in '93, doesn't it? welcome to the forums, Drythemis!

[ssjkasey]

<<i don't drink caffeen...>>

I'm sure we can find you some caffeen free rootbeer ;)



<<well... Hojo and Lucrecia were together... Vincent is their son {x-turk),>>

I'm pretty sure that wasn't said in the game. :confused2 How did you come to that conclusion?

<<when Vincent was turned into a Vampire,>>

Again I don't remember him being a vampire in the game. Only having vampiric like characteristics.

<<then Hojo went insane, and attempted to create a new "son" Sephiroth. the Sephiroth experiment failed, Lucrecia died,>>

I'm lost.. when did she die?

<<Hojo realized Sephiroth's powers, therefore decided to clone Sephiroth.>> I agree with you here ;)

<<the onle {somewhat} successful clone was the CLOUD. CLOUD was living thru Zack's memories... meaning; he thought Zack's memories were his own {this is called confagulation... when you truly believe your own lie}.>>

Since I don't believe Cloud is a clone I have to disagree. Cloud was mentally exhausted from being experimented on. So ashamed that he couldn't make it in soldier, his mind created the reality where Zack never existed and he was a high ranking soldier. And because he did find his own memories he could not have been a clone.

[Lil Tenshi]

i thought they showed Vincent shot by Hojo and did a surgery on Vincent to make him look like a vampire ?

[Lil Tenshi]

are you sure it's true n dat ur not making it up heart havok ? cuz i never heard about those.

[MrBS]

Originally posted by Lil Tenshi
are you sure it's true n dat ur not making it up heart havok

havok making stuff up to please himself? I don't think so http://www.hearthavok.com

[Lil Tenshi]

i was just guessing.....

[MrBS]

Originally posted by Lil Tenshi
i was just guessing.....

sorry if I came over a little harsh so I'll reiterate

havok making stuff up to please himself? I don't think so (fantastic level of sarcasm)

[Lil Tenshi]

yes it is.....i think....sorrie

[MrBS]

ok thats enough apologizing, we've got to be tough, so we can take the ---- out of atomic at a moments notice

[Lil Tenshi]

yep hehe

[Lil Tenshi]

i'mgonna beat him sum day wit da posts. it'll have to be a miracle though

[jww1477]

Gotta tell ya, I really didn't adore FFVIII. Truth be told, it sickened me how bored I was with it. I loved it up until Disc Two, when the final real drama of the game ends.

The two gardens collide in a head to head battle, the motorcycle troops and jetpack troops pour from the Galbadian Garden, Squall saves Rinoa after a difficult and dramatic mini-game battle, there's seemless integration of FMV and gameplay... beautiful. And then the battle with Seifer and Edea... awesome, albeit easy. Unfortunately, now the interesting part of the plot is over, Edea joins you, the entire game turns into purely incomprehensible science fiction, with no real villain save some ALL NEW Sorceress from the future. I wanted to gag.

I still beat the game, I still found every card, all the items, beat the weapons, yadda yadda. FFVIII was pretty, but had no soul. The dialogue was terrible, and the drama was predictable and guided completely by stupid coincidence (all the characters come from the same orphanage : how lame is that?). Selphie and Zell were completely undeveloped and boring characters, actually they all were except for Squall and Rinoa. Ultimecia just pissed me off to no end... I mean give me a Golbez, a Kefka, a Sephiroth, SOMETHING more to work with than some lame bitch (IN THE FUTURE)

Now FFVII, THAT I adored, and is the main reason I loathe FFVIII - relative to one another. FF8 isn't horrible, it just doesn't live up to previous Final Fantasies. Well, FFV had a weak plot too, but I haven't played it all the way through. FFVII was awesome thought-provoking science fiction, but not as far out as FF8 star trek like continent of Esthar. Come to think of it, Midgar was a friggin modern-day Earth metropolis, and everything else on the planet looked like it was back in either the Renaissance or at least before the Industrial revolution.

But I suppose I'm just biased... Problems in FF8 are significant flaws, Problems in FF7 are just odd quirks. I suppose this is because of all the intrigue, all the well developed secondary characters like the Shinra Execs and the Turks... FF7 had an AWESOME rogue's gallery, and more (and better) science-fiction drama than almost any other movie I've seen in quite some time.

Of course- I adore Sephiroth, the ultimate tragic anti-hero. He believes that he was the last of a race that mankind obliterated. He sees that man has done horrendous things to his biological mother in the name of science, while his birth mother was never allowed to hold him, or even to see him. His is a lonely and bloody existence, used as a tool for Shinra, and out of some sense of unholy vengeance, or poetic justice, he decides to reciprocate this death and destruction of his people on the people that used him and lied to him.

On the tier of video game villains, he is the only one beyond Kefka, and well, I could go on and on about my adoration for FFVII and the manner in which the plot is so ever-expansive and beguiling. Never was there a Playstation RPG where I so merrily pressed the circle button to find out what new twist to the plot would develop - whether it was Hojo's betrayal of Gast, the revelation of Sephiroth's father, the true identity of Cloud, the final fate of Aeris, etc. - I never knew where it would end up, and as my friends gathered around me when I ultimately slew the One-Winged Angel as the Latin Choir chanted and after the Supernova hit, we were all in awe. Complete awe at the majesty of the game before us. FF7 did not disappoint - it raised the bar for other RPGs, and made it hard for me to truly get into another console RPG since - they just seem inadequate.

[MrBS]

All I can say is 'I agree'.

I found FF7 great, FF8 seemed as if something was holding it back.

[ssjkasey]

We can hope that 9 will be a step above them both.

[heart havok]

Originally posted by kamikaze_kasey
<<i don't drink caffeen...>>

I'm sure we can find you some caffeen free rootbeer ;)

no thank you. but thanks for the offer.

NOTE : i'm quoting you simply because it's the most thorough, thus the easiest for me to use to explain what i'm talking about. so please don't think i'm attacking you.


Originally posted by kamikaze_kasey
<<well... Hojo and Lucrecia were together... Vincent is their son {x-turk),>>

I'm pretty sure that wasn't said in the game. :confused2 How did you come to that conclusion?

there's a particular storysequence in the game {after you find out that he's a turk} where it shows vincent in the shinra manor and they talk about hojo and lucrecia being together.


Originally posted by kamikaze_kasey
<<when Vincent was turned into a Vampire,>>

Again I don't remember him being a vampire in the game. Only having vampiric like characteristics.

also in the same story sequence... vincent was shot and hojo attempted to keep him alive. it went wrong.


Originally posted by kamikaze_kasey
<<then Hojo went insane, and attempted to create a new "son" Sephiroth. the Sephiroth experiment failed, Lucrecia died,>>

I'm lost.. when did she die?

when you're in the cave, you speak with Lucrecia's ghost.


Originally posted by kamikaze_kasey
<<Hojo realized Sephiroth's powers, therefore decided to clone Sephiroth.>> I agree with you here ;)

great!



Originally posted by kamikaze_kasey
<<the onle {somewhat} successful clone was the CLOUD. CLOUD was living thru Zack's memories... meaning; he thought Zack's memories were his own {this is called confagulation... when you truly believe your own lie}.>>

Since I don't believe Cloud is a clone I have to disagree. Cloud was mentally exhausted from being experimented on. So ashamed that he couldn't make it in soldier, his mind created the reality where Zack never existed and he was a high ranking soldier. And because he did find his own memories he could not have been a clone.

again. confagulation. however, as long as you're satasfied with the game, believe what you want. that's the whole beauty in games like ffVII. eitherway, it appears that you missed one of the secret story sequences... perhapse you should play again.

[Edited by heart havok on 15-10-2000 at 08:51 PM]

[heart havok]

Originally posted by kamikaze_kasey
We can hope that 9 will be a step above them both.


without a doubt, i am with you all the way. it looks VERY promising, and the more i see of it, the more i look forward to it.

[heart havok]

Originally posted by mrbs
Originally posted by Lil Tenshi
are you sure it's true n dat ur not making it up heart havok

havok making stuff up to please himself? I don't think so http://www.hearthavok.com


so does eva2000 have the webpage domain http://www.eva2000.com just to please himself? i don't think so.

and eitherway, my webpage is titled after a character of mine who i TOOK my screen name from so you can suck my ass. {joking, please make note of that}.... eitherway, feel free to make any assumptions you want about my personallity, but please do it in the insult forum where it belongs.[/b]

[ssjkasey]

<<there's a particular storysequence in the game {after you find out that he's a turk} where it shows vincent in the shinra manor and they talk about hojo and lucrecia being together.>>

No no no :) What I meant was how did you come to the conclusion Vincent was their son? I do remember that scene. Just not where they implied he was their son.

<<when you're in the cave, you speak with Lucrecia's ghost.>>

Oh, I never thought of her as dead though... maybe :D

<< again. confagulation. however, as long as you're satasfied with the game, believe what you want. that's the whole beauty in games like ffVII. eitherway, it appears that you missed one of the secret story sequences... perhapse you should play again.>>

I am satisfied with the story :p Maybe your looking too deep into the story? But I think it's time to play it again anyway as sort of an annual ritual every few months :B:

<<NOTE : i'm quoting you simply because it's the most thorough, thus the easiest for me to use to explain what i'm talking about. so please don't think i'm attacking you.>>

Of course not. I hope you didn't think I was attacking you. I just had some questions to see if I had missed anything.




<<<I'm sure we can find you some caffeen free rootbeer>>>

<<no thank you. but thanks for the offer.>>

Oh I see, rootbeers not good enough for you huh? Okay...... no rootbeer for you! :P

[heart havok]

Originally posted by kamikaze_kasey
<<there's a particular storysequence in the game {after you find out that he's a turk} where it shows vincent in the shinra manor and they talk about hojo and lucrecia being together.>>

No no no :) What I meant was how did you come to the conclusion Vincent was their son? I do remember that scene. Just not where they implied he was their son.

they mention that Vincent's their son when he gets shot.


Originally posted by kamikaze_kasey
<<when you're in the cave, you speak with Lucrecia's ghost.>>

Oh, I never thought of her as dead though... maybe :D

yes, that's why she disappears. and i recall {may be wrong about this} her mentioning something to the idea of being able to "fade away" now that she's seen Vincent again... i may be wrong though.


Originally posted by kamikaze_kasey
<< again. confagulation. however, as long as you're satasfied with the game, believe what you want. that's the whole beauty in games like ffVII. eitherway, it appears that you missed one of the secret story sequences... perhapse you should play again.>>

I am satisfied with the story :p Maybe your looking too deep into the story? But I think it's time to play it again anyway as sort of an annual ritual every few months :B:

that's true, i might be looking too deep into the story, but hey... as long as we both are still able to appreciate it! right? yeah, i've played it a plenty number on times now... don't think i will again for QUITE some time.


Originally posted by kamikaze_kasey
<<NOTE : i'm quoting you simply because it's the most thorough, thus the easiest for me to use to explain what i'm talking about. so please don't think i'm attacking you.>>

Of course not. I hope you didn't think I was attacking you. I just had some questions to see if I had missed anything.

yes, that's the way that i always understand it as, thank you for being certain it was clarified though! i just had to point that out on my behalf because it appears that a few people on these boards take me as an aggressive person. however, i'm simply answering and questioning.



Originally posted by kamikaze_kasey ]
<<<I'm sure we can find you some caffeen free rootbeer>>>

<<no thank you. but thanks for the offer.>>

Oh I see, rootbeers not good enough for you huh? Okay...... no rootbeer for you! :P

nah, cafeen free ANYTHING just tastes terrible! i'll just take a 7up, thanks though! adieu.

[Edited by heart havok on 15-10-2000 at 09:45 PM]

[Lil Tenshi]

but i nevr remembered cloud being a clone..

[heart havok]

hey, then that's because of one of two things...

1...you didn't get that part.

2...the story simply did not connect to you in that way

[Lil Tenshi]

da only person who said dat was Sephiroth. But then Tifa helped him fidn out who he really is...

[Yalind]

Oh god :confused: ...Hmm well if Hojo and Lucrecia were Vincents parents...didn´t he (Vincent) say he was in love with Lucrecia??? I could have sworn he says that at more than one point in the game... memory blackout again... :)

And I CANNOT remember that part of being told that Vincent is in fact their actual son...gaahhhh... ::going mad::...

[Yalind]

Originally posted by Lil Tenshi

so....maybe i'm goin insane ? can i join da club too ?

Oh yes of course you can!! The more insane people the better! :B: And you are very welcome to the club :B:

Hey kasey! ::shouts down his underground tunnel:: , we have a new member!! :lol:

[Lil Tenshi]

Yay !!! i feel so special, hehe

[Lil Tenshi]

yeah i heard he loved Lucrecia too

[heart havok]

can't you love your mother? or is everybody in the world now-a-days terrified of those two words together?

[ssjkasey]

Originally posted by Yalind
Originally posted by Lil Tenshi

so....maybe i'm goin insane ? can i join da club too ?

Oh yes of course you can!! The more insane people the better! :B: And you are very welcome to the club :B:

Hey kasey! ::shouts down his underground tunnel:: , we have a new member!! :lol:



Madooba? anista anista!

<Translation from mole language> (really? that's three already!}

[Lil Tenshi]

yah we need more members, :D

[Lil Tenshi]

yeah u can luv ur own mother

[Lil Tenshi]

but don't chu think Vincent's kinda too large to be a son ?!?!

[heart havok]

:dodgy: enough

[Edited by heart havok on 16-10-2000 at 09:17 AM]

[Lil Tenshi]

but it'z true, he's like 6' sumthing n dere....umm.....lessay short

[Shadow War]

I did a test.
I played FF7 from the start and after all this time I still loved the game. I started to play FF8 from the start and I thought” I have to stare at that summon 10000000 times” for 40-50 hours! The start of it is so boring after the fantastic opening cg. The GF’s are one of the things that ruin the game.
Start of FF7, going on a mission to destroy a mako reactor with an underground terrorist group. That is so much cooler! FF9 should be great! (I hope it is)

[heart havok]

[b]tenshi... my brother is 16 and 6'5" my mom is 43 and 5'6"...


as a great jedi master once said "size matters not"



and shadow war... i see what you're talking about. i personally still couldn't decide though... they're two different lives i've lived. and yes, ff9 WILL be awsome.

[ssjkasey]

I stopped using the guardian forces all together. I found it was a lot funner to keep Squall at low health and use his limit over and over and over. I think one of the downsides of eight was the difficulty. I had to limit myself from becoming to powerful just to keep a challenge. Like keeping stats fairly low and never using meltdown and doomtrain so I wouldn't give myself an edge over the bosses. The battles in eight, to me, never reached the heights of seven. Seven's fights were full of excitement. Seven's story is by far superior to eight's. Being outdone only by Six's. The love story in eight didn't bother me as much as it did some people. I think it could have been done better though. Another love inspired story is Lunar, which I adore. So if forced to compare I would say seven wins hands down. I'm done now.....

[Edited by kamikaze_kasey on 17-10-2000 at 06:09 PM]

[heart havok]

alright

[Lil Tenshi]

but it's better to use limit breaks in ff7 cuZ you don't have to have a low hp to use limits like ff8's, :D

[MrBS]

the tricks of using 'meltdown', 'aura' etc along with low hp limit breaks really took all the challenge out of FF8 (still all the FF's are pretty easy, well maybe not 5) and I just couldn't stand having to spend 30 mins on some feild enemies when your on level 100. Isn't it your reward to be able to kill an enemy in one go if you have managed to get that high?

[daniel480]

Yes.. FFV is a real challenging game.. those bosses in the X-zone are sunply tough... I relalyliked that game...

[ssjkasey]

Yes, five had it's moments. I never thought it was all that hard though.:P

[daniel480]

heh^^ exactly what level were you on when you were thee?.. I don't build up my character levels until the very end...

[ssjkasey]

:B: Been a while since I played it :p I have no idea what level I was. I hardly ever run from fights maybe that was why.

[Lil Tenshi]

i nevr played FFV....

[heart havok]

taking time to learn jobs bored me. other than that the game was great. yeah, i don't take the time to build up my characters until the very end as well. however my thorough searching gets me into many fights, and i don't run from fights either. {unles i'm just NOT in the mood for them}... but yeah, the first final fantasy was the only one i found difficult. and in ffII i died during the first battle! damn, i thought that i was getting rusty or something! {only those who've played ffII will get this joke}

[Lil Tenshi]

hehe, we're getting off da topic. o well

[Lil Tenshi]

this thread is popular. well neways lets get back to the topic. are you sure he's a clone ???

[Shadow War]

He’s not a clone. That would ruin the game. Mr hero was really a loser and a clone!

[Lil Tenshi]

that's what i been thinking about...

[Shadow War]

Oh well...

[Lil Tenshi]

but wats weird is...how can he handle a sword larger dan him ???

[Lil Tenshi]

is it bcuZ he's weird like me ? or is it bcuZ he trained alot ???

[Lil Tenshi]

oh yeah...i just remembered...we need more chicken members and insane members in da chicken club n da club of insanity !!! :heh:

[Lil Tenshi]

I THINK I ANSWERED MAH OWN QUESTIONS

[jww1477]

Well, both Sephy and Cloud were infused with Mako energy, so both had superhuman strength, which would explain how they could wield such massive blades unencumbered by their width or length.

[Lil Tenshi]

but he's not a clone ryte ?

[Shadow War]

It doesent matter. The mako has given him better strength.

[Lil Tenshi]

we're getting off da subj. still.
who like ff7 more say umm...... "ff7"

[Einherjar]

definitely ff7, ff8's only good thing was its graphics and that's all. ff7's story has depth, drama and is very broad, the materia was also good. Junction was pathetic, sorry ff8 fans, in my opinion ff7 is a must-have for every playstation owner while ff8 is just a pathetic excuse for a sequel.

[Lil Tenshi]

yeah. :D. But what i don't like is that you can put only a few materia at a time. but their limit breaks looks kyooler. The storyline's better. and that's all i can think of ryte now

[Yalind]

Hmmm, well i think EVERYTHING about FF7 is better than FF8 actually...the storyline...characters...fights...limit breaks and all that...it has better gameplay all together and is simply a better game.
The only thing "better" about FF8 i guess was the graphics, but then again that is NOT the important thing about a game.

[Lil Tenshi]

da movie too, hehehe

[Shadow War]

? strange...

[Rika]

OOOOOK! I finally read through all these posts and I have a lot of catching up to do!

First off, I like FF8 better and the Graphics have nothing to do with this decision (like you said, graphics don't make a good game). The story was pretty interesting to me (though, I'll admit FF7 has more twists) and I liked the GF system better then the Materia system. The cost of having to trade off some of your physical strength and defense for magical strength was, to me, unnecessary.

Now, on to the Cloud issue. Cloud was called a Sephiroth clone because he was injected with Jenova cells and, like those people in the black robes in Nibelheim, it preyed on his mind (explaining the memory loss). But, he wasn't really a clone in the same sense. He was called a clone because he possessed the same Jenova cells as Sephiroth, but, he wasn't created by Hojo. After the incident in Nibelheim when Cloud was 16, the Jenova cells in Cloud and Cloud's desire to be in SOLDIER created those false memories and, like some of you said, it took Tifa to help bring them back.

Now, on to Vincent. The scene of Vincent's past you see in Lucrecia's Cave makes it appear, to me, that Vincent was in love with Lucrecia, but, that Lucrecia married Hojo (Talk about bad taste in men!). Which also leads to the conclusion that Hojo really was Sephiroth's father, biologically.

I hope I covered everything and I hope everything I typed makes sense. I think I need to play FF7 someday again, too. ^_^;;

[Edited by Rika on 25-10-2000 at 05:07 AM]

[Lil Tenshi]

nevah told y u like ff8 more...i think ?

[Rika]

Yes I did.

[Lil Tenshi]

oh i guess i didn't read it all

[Shadow War]

Good point Rika. I like all the Final Fantasy games. I started playing FF8 again and I will try to make another conclusion if I find anything.

[Rika]

Good point about what? Sorry, but, I said a lot of things in that post. ^_^;;

[Shadow War]

Good points I meant. I was talking about the whole post..Anyway I haven't said hello to you yet, well Hello! :wavey:

[Rika]

Oh ok. Cool! Hello to you, too! :D

[ssjkasey]

Hello Rika

[Draco]

i liked ff8's bright happy world :)
its a nice can from the post apocalypic world <- i mean messed up worlds, that most ff story take place in

[Draco]

freak... i can't spell i meant nice change not can... :heh:

[Rika]

Hi, Kasey!

Originally posted by Draco
i liked ff8's bright happy world :)
its a nice can from the post apocalypic world <- i mean messed up worlds, that most ff story take place in

Yeah, that's another reason I liked FF8 better. It wasn't as depressing.

[X.E.R.O]

Hmmmm..FF8 & FF7..I can't really decide..:confused:

[Lil Tenshi]

XERO....say ff7, hehe :D:D:D:D:D

[Rika]

Let him say what he wants, Tenshi! He may like them both about the same. :B:

[Lil Tenshi]

fine u can pick wateva......

[Rika]

Sorry for being so rough before, Tenshi. I just think everyone has a right to their opinion.

[Shadow War]

Yeah, that is true...

[Lil Tenshi]

it's okie. every1's tought on me. yep :D

[Rika]

awwww! I'm sorry! *hugs ya* :B:

[Lil Tenshi]

:D:D:D:D
ThanX, hehe

[Rika]

No prob! :D

[Lil Tenshi]

Originally posted by Shadow War
Yeah, that is true...
wat did u mean by dat ?

[Rudy Roughnight]

FFVII cause of the better storyline and better magic system. I hate FFVIII cause it's more futuristic! FFIX all the way!!

[Lil Tenshi]

nevah played ff9 yet......

[Rika]

I bet hardly anyone has played FF9. FF7 was pretty futuristic, too. More so then FF8 to me.

[Lil Tenshi]

f8 was more futuristic......tome though

[Shadow War]

OK, lets get back on topic. FF7 is better than FF8(In my opinion). FF9 might be better than both, we will have to wait and see...

[Rika]

I thought we were on topic. We're still talking about FF7 and FF8. I already said which one I thought was better.

[Lil Tenshi]

o well......

[Rika]

Yeah, oh, well. *is confused*

[Lil Tenshi]

i was confused to begin wit.
ff7 is much more better, da story, da magic (kind of), da limits, n so on.....

[jww1477]

FFVIII had a spaceship, teleporters, holograms, space travel, and time travel.

:dodgy:

FFVII had Midgar: a metropolis with skyscrapers, a single giant laser cannon, and cloning technology.

In short, Midgar is a few decades removed from us. Esthar is several centuries removed from us.

[Lil Tenshi]

Esthar - a city that looks kinda weird in a way.
Midgar - a city that looks like a pile of junk, hehe.
In other words...i'd go wit none :heh:

[Shadow War]

FF7 Wins I think!!!

[Lil Tenshi]

yep :D

[daniel480]

heh^^ I like both of them in their own ways but I prefer FFVII... the story in FFVII is mature, deep, and filled with many inspiring elements such as drama, tragedy, love, good, evil, etc... It had wonderful character personality depths... The main villain was very different and special in his own way... so many things that were better than FFVIII... I'm not saying FFVIII is bad... I prefer FFVII.. although you guys can have your own opinions...

BTW... I think this thread is a bit aimless now... haven't we all stated that we like FFVII more?... than why continue this thread?... oh well...

[Lil Tenshi]

i think it bcuZ every1 disagrees, or new members want to tell us wah dey like as well :D. These are a few reasons why it continues to be one of da best ff threads ^^. SUm ppl like ff7 n others ff8. so we argue for dese reasons: To convince others to like ff7 or just to plain ol fight for da game u like better :heh:

[daniel480]

heh^^ well.. it is their opinion... they might look for something different in a game or they might like that realistic look... I guess you can continue this but it is pretty pointless to me... oh well.. carry on ^_^

[Lil Tenshi]

yes i thought dat too......but atleast it has a meaning unlike dat LoD vs ff8, i duNNo y i started dat...

[daniel480]

I fogive you... heh^^ [so does the others I think]... anyway.. just continue I guess... I don't see why peopl keep this thread alive... oh well^^...

[Lil Tenshi]

it's for da new members n da ppl who disagree ^^

[daniel480]

Fine wih me... go ahead and carry on... but please try to stay on the same subject... ^_^ thanks

[jww1477]

Sigh... and I thought this thread had potential... I wanted some real hardcore debate over the merits and flaws of each game... but it doesn't appear to be possible - besides even if others were willing, it appears most choose 7 over 8 anyway.

[Lil Tenshi]

yep but wah did u choose ? ff8 ? or ff7 ?

[ssjkasey]

Choosing one over the other comes down to opinion. If people choose 7 over 8, it's because they played both and preferred one over the other. It's not because one is better than the other one. And they choose it because they like it. If I say Final Fantasy seven had better gameplay than eight, I'm not saying it is a fact. If someone were to say the story in eight is better than seven, or vice versa, it isn't a fact. It is their opinion. There is no way to debate it. It's their personal taste. Don't confuse an opinion for a fact. But if you feel we are not "intelligent" enough for your posts jww1477 , then feel free not to grace us with them.

[daniel480]

yes... this is very true... As I constantly state all over the place... these are a persons "OPINIONS".. you can't really change someone's opinion if it doesn't have a bases of merit and evidence... you can't really scrape up any evidence for this debate because the evidence is also a person's opinion... This is what other people "look for" in a RPG... some like FFVIII and some FFVII, they all like something particular in each of them thus causing them to chose the one over the other...

[jww1477]

This is ultimately true. I was just commenting on the fact that this thread seems to have lost purpose - save for people commenting on how it has done so.

I didn't mean to sound intellectually elitist. Forgive me if that's how I came accross.

And also, even if this was not the case, we have basically a unilateral support of one over the other, which makes for a lousy discussion - like a presidential debate where both candidates agree on all the issues.

Ah well. I'm just so excited about FF9 - I could care less about much of anything at the moment.

[daniel480]

So I'm gguessing that this thread is sort of dead beside fo new members coming in to post their opinions? okee^^

[ssjkasey]

Yeah I guess so. Maybe some of the new members will even like eight better than seven.

[daniel480]

hmm.. okay... then we should stop wasting posts in this thread then..

[Lil Tenshi]

or maybe they would like seven more than eight...

[Shadow War]

FF7 is better than 8 overall. That is all...

[daniel480]

o_O ok.. that's your opinion... there may be some others that prefer FFVIII over VII...

[Lil Tenshi]

but not REALLY alot as ppl who like ff7 dan ff8, :B: