Goddam that is some good st00f!

[Pengi_Ken-Ohki]

---- I love Robotech. I spent all day watching the 36 episodes. I hate Min Mei, that character pissed me off something severe (Rick shoulda been lynched for standing up Lisa to see Min Mei) but yeh.. that series is so damned beautiful. It was the english version, so some of the voices (and especially that goddamned singing) were REALLY annoying.

Is there are series of it too? I know it's called Macross these days, did they re-dub it or something? or is Macross/Macross Plus a new series based on the original Robotech one? cos in Robotech ya never see em go find the Robotech masters homeworld. are there m/any movies and stuff? gosh durn it kix some ass!

[thedarkmarine]

The age old question. I'll try to answer.

Robotech is actually 3 series linked together. Macross, somthing, and something. They somehow made these transitions between the series so they all fit in one timeline. Macross is the origonal but because of an American ep limit (I think it requires at least 51 eps or something), they linked the 3 series together and called it robotech. Macross Plus is set in the Macross Universe, not Robotech. AND IT KICKS ASS. *Drools*

[isamudyson]

thedarkmarine is right, Robotech is a combination of three unrelated series (Macross, Southern Cross, and Mospeada) so that it would've been enough episodes for US TV. There was a series called Robotech: The Sentinels which was started that followed the the SDF3 to the Robotech homeworld, but it was never finished.

The Robotech dub can be annoying at times, mainly the narrator who talks constantly and the repition of the same Minmei songs, but it's pretty good none the less.

There are more Macross seroes but they have nothing to do with Robotech. There's Macross II, Macross Plus, and Macross 7. Plus is considered to be the best of them. There's also Macross: Do You Remember Love? which is a movie following the same story as the original Macross series which is pretty good.

[death]

Originally posted by thedarkmarine
The age old question. I'll try to answer.

Macross Plus is set in the Macross Universe, not Robotech. AND IT KICKS ASS. *Drools*

I know.

Pitty the americans dident do a better job at the series. It was OK but cold have been better...

ALot better

[Ura]

Isamu hit the nail pretty much on the head. Though there was Saturday Morning sanitisation too. There was more blood and violence in Macross (Though Macek got away with quite a lot).

*SPOILER*






Roy's death from massive bloodloss without shedding a drop is a good example of this.





*END SPOILER SPACE*

Also the plot was altered slightly to fit with Southern Cross and Mospedia. There are no Robotech Masters or Protoculture in Macross as Isamu explained. There is no dub for Macross in its true form. Harmony Gold has the rights. But Animeigo is releaseing Macross on DVD sub only and the masters look amazing. I mean it tale a look at ADVs DVDs and then a look at the screenies of Macross... They have done so much work.

Isamu touched on Sentinels. It was actually finished and ready for distribution but a warehouse fire destroyed everything Except the first 3 episodes which had been sent to networks. The project was abandoned anyway.

[Benard Strass]

But what about the differences from the 4 part macross pluss series and macross pluss the movie. Why were there better senes *spoiler* of the death of Guld, and the full frontal nudity sene of the blond isamu shacked up with in the shorter movie and not included in the DVD 4 ep box set?

[isamudyson]

The movie was more "dramatic". The battle with Guld and the Ghost was better eye candy and had more emotion to it. The way the story unfolded was presented in a more "dramatic" way as well as the ending. More satisfying and easier to follow. Plus, there's no doubt that I bagged Lucy in the movie :D

[Pengi_Ken-Ohki]

ok so Robotech is actually 3 series linked? Help me out here, where does each start and finish? Did the original series (macross) end when they got to earth or something?

I only missed 1 episode out of the 36 episodes, yet I still don't really understand what protoculture is.

I kinda figured that narrator's voice wouldna been there as much in the subs, but I can understand that the show originally played for children in the mornings or something so they might need it.
the recap episode sux. the one where the captain goes over what has happend over the last year, but that's cos I didn't need a recap, I watched the full 15 hours or whatever of robotech straight ^^

[Ura]

First 36 eps is Macross. Each one has a different sub title that helps to...

The Macross Saga is Macross. Otherwise known as 1st Gen.

The second I think is referred to as the Robotech Masters. I just call it Superdimensional Cavalry Southern Cross

The third I think is called New Generation and thats Mospedia.

The easiest way to tell where the change is though is with characters and mecha. All 3 series are unrelated. Therefore the characters are always different with some flimsy shred of attachment with the previous etc. eg. Dana Stirling.. Supposedly Max and Myrias daughter from Macross.

But Macross had the Valkyries. Mac plus 2 and 7 have them also. (Planes)

Southern Cross had the Guntanks

Mospedia had the Motorbikes.

[isamudyson]

The 3rd Robotech series The New Generation (Mospeada) had transfomable planes too. The Legioss was pretty cool, but it didn't look like a modern aircraft like the Macross ones did.

Since Minmay sticks out very easily, if she's not in an episode, then it's not part of the Macross Saga. You can look around at Robotech.com to learn more about Robotech.

[thedarkmarine]

I want one of them toys.

[Pengi_Ken-Ohki]

ah I c. I went down to the local video store and noticed the 3 diff series. I got out the robotech movie "Do u remember love" or something like that. I was lucky, it's in it's complete original subbed form, and on the back of the video it says that Kiseki (the company) are proud to keep anime in its original form and all that.

now if only other companies would follow suit

[thedarkmarine]

DYRL is the entire macross series compressed into a Movie.

[Ura]

Originally posted by isamudyson
The 3rd Robotech series The New Generation (Mospeada) had transfomable planes too. The Legioss was pretty cool, but it didn't look like a modern aircraft like the Macross ones did.


I knew that. I merely used the examples as an easy way to distinguish. There were planes in Southern cross too (absolutely hideous ones) but none had the coolness of the valkyrie

[Pengi_Ken-Ohki]

Originally posted by thedarkmarine
DYRL is the entire macross series compressed into a Movie.

yeh I figured that when I saw that Roy is in it. but part of loving robotech involves me having to see anything related to it

[Kizzim]

Id just like to point out that robotech was the very first anime series i ever watched and it got me hooked for life. It doesnt matter what graphics are like, etc, The robotech series will blow you away. The characters towards the end feel like your best friends and the overall story is amazing. Ive seen all the entire 3 parts (macross, southern cross and new generation (maesopea?). I beleive my favorite out of all them would probably be new generation, im one of those sick people who like to watch people who are totally outgunned, and the series dipicts a pilot who crashed to the earth (which has been taken over by the invid), he leads a small band of survivers trying to take the planet back. The invid are obviously the coolest badguys.

[isamudyson]

ADV is supposed to be releasing both Southern Cross and Mospeada in their original format. They'll be subbed only, but otherwise the same as they were when they were aired in Japan. The quality of them will probably be like the Robotech ones by ADV. No million dollar restoration for them unfortunatly :(

[cloakactive]

Originally posted by isamudyson
ADV is supposed to be releasing both Southern Cross and Mospeada in their original format. They'll be subbed only, but otherwise the same as they were when they were aired in Japan. The quality of them will probably be like the Robotech ones by ADV. No million dollar restoration for them unfortunatly :(

Well... it may not be a million dollar restoration, but as long as it subbed will be awesome. The one thing I'm pretty disgruntled about so far about the ADV releases is that there is no Japanese track. :dodgy: isamudyson, you seem to be the man to answer... or anyone else in here, but when is Southern Cross and Mospeada coming out on DVD with a japanese track included? I haven't brushed up on anything macross/robotech related in awhile... so i'm playing catchup since watching macross again for the first time in a long time. :heh: Thanks much all. :)

[Kizzim]

Originally posted by isamudyson
ADV is supposed to be releasing both Southern Cross and Mospeada in their original format. They'll be subbed only, but otherwise the same as they were when they were aired in Japan. The quality of them will probably be like the Robotech ones by ADV. No million dollar restoration for them unfortunatly :(

Mospeada and Southern Cross are both going to be released by ADV Films and they are both DUBBED there is a reason for this. Southern Cross and Mospeada are their japanese names, but these are REALLY called MASTERS and NEW GENERATION. These are american cut and dubbed, they were only created in english, these were specially designed to be shown on american TV. If you want to find the japanese versions you must go elsewhere but im guessing that since ADV Films owns the rights to these videos that they also own the rights to the original japanese versions, shrug, dunno. They do not have the remastering that the 'macross series' got.

[isamudyson]

Ok, maybe I wasn't clear in what I wrote earlier. ADV has announced that they will release Super Dimensional Cavalry Southern Cross and Genesis Climber Mospeada, but have given no date as to when they will be. This is in addition to the modified versions of those series that became Robotech Masters and Robotech: The New Generation.

So if they follow through with their annoncement, there will be dvds for both the Robotech versions and the original Japanese version of these series.

The Japanese versions will be sub only since ADV would have to make their own dub of them since there is no dub for either of those series. The Robotech version can't be used as a dub because it's too different. Everything fom character names to mecha is called something different. In Mospeada for example, the main character is named Stick and not Scott like he is in Robotech. The fighters is called the Legioss and not an Alpha Fighter. The aliens are the Inbit and not the Invid. And the list goes on. The biggest difference is the Refless in Mospeada doesn't talk anywhere near as much as the Regis does in Robotech. Mospeada is so much quieter than Robotech: The New Generation.

I couldn't find te link at Animeondvd.com, but there's been some talk at Macrossworld Forums (http://www.macrossworld.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi) about these upcoming dvds.

Here's some threads from there about it.

http://www.macrossworld.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/topic.cgi?forum=17&topic=526

http://www.macrossworld.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/topic.cgi?forum=17&topic=710

http://www.macrossworld.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/topic.cgi?forum=17&topic=519

[sidewinder]

mospeada had the VAF's....alphas = teh r0x0rs :) ....mospeada was the best of the three....cyclones and alphas just plain rule

just felt like saying that....

[Valkyrie]

Just to clarify a point, after the Mcaross original series, Robotech has little/no similarities with the Macross timeline. Thus anything like Macross Plus has nothing to do with Robotech. Robotech doesn't even follow up DYRL at all and isn't 100% consistent with the original Macross series. Stating Robotech to a lot of Macross series and ideas is very confusing :confused:

By the way, Isamu, are you registered in Macrossworld??

[isamudyson]

Originally posted by Valkyrie

By the way, Isamu, are you registered in Macrossworld??

Yes I am, but I'm not Isamu there. There were already 10+ variations of Isamu there so I go by another nick.