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Nairohe
10-01-02, 03:58 PM
I haven't gone far enough but I'm onto episode 9... due to time constraints, i can't watch the series straight through like i normally do... sniffle*
How did Gatt's get his sword? Do they ever explain it in the series? I remember him mentioning that because the sword was special, he was able to fight with that bull demon. I believe this is around episode 5. It was the battle that allowed Griffith to rise up in rank.
Drizzten
10-01-02, 07:17 PM
They show Gatts training at a young age with a larger-then-usual size sword. I don't know if that is the same one he starts off with when the anime begins...something I doubt since it's unlikely he could swing that massive thing efficiently as a child.
Morbius
10-01-02, 07:44 PM
I think Gattsu has known the blacksmith, Godou, who made the sword he has in episode one for a while... It doesn't mention it, but he might have made all the swords for Gattsu...
Shenrezade
10-01-02, 09:44 PM
The Dragon Slayer was the sword Gatt's uses in the first episode and (I believe) the majority of the manga. The sword Gatts uses for most of the anime was given to him by his "guardian" while they were on the battlefield one day. That sword was destroyed shortly after his fight against the 100 men. Shortly before he returned to the Hawks, Godou forged him a stronger sword. I have heard that later on in the manga, he recieves an even stronger (not to mention bigger) sword than the Dragon Slayer. If that's true, then over the series, he's had four different swords.
He got the Dragon Slayers pretty much immedietly in the manga. He also used the Skull Knights sword for a while (which was imho one of the coolest bits in Berserk, mostly his "FATE CAN F*ING GO TO HELL!!!" speech :cool: ) when he fends of the demon thingies.
How many episodes are there? I only got to episode 9 becuase thats are far as I could rent to... I know cheap ass but hey.
You're not even near as cheap-ass as we fansub people are. :D
There are 25 episodes and a lot of mangas. They're still doing the manga, I think.
Petezilla
19-09-02, 12:09 PM
23 vols so far for the manga 24 comming out in January i think.
Have all the mangas been released in Japan ages ago and the ones we get a translations, or are they still doing them too?
Petezilla
20-09-02, 09:22 AM
vol 23 was released not so long ago 4-5 months and it was translated 2 weeks later when vol 24 comes out it will only take the translation team 2 weeks to finish it. thats what i read anyway but i think the guys on the icefall forums know there bereserk best so this should be accurate info.
the manga is still ongoing and i think there will be at least 7 more mangas comming out. thats if miurai doesnt finish things without tying up loose ends.
Originally posted by Nairohe
I remember him mentioning that because the sword was special, he was able to fight with that bull demon. I believe this is around episode 5. It was the battle that allowed Griffith to rise up in rank.
What I thought Guts had meant by that is that if his sword wasn't the huge size it was then he would have lost by then, not that the sword was special or anything apart from the size of it..
Petezilla
20-09-02, 10:41 PM
yup the sword was nothing special it just had 3 times the thickness of a normal sword
I believe (based on the story so far) that at least another 10 volumes are coming out, and considering Kentaro Miura takes at least half a year per volume we will have to wait at least another 5 whole years before we can read the whole story.:eek:
I believe the manga was started in 1989 (or 1986?) and it's still continuing. Amazing how an artist can focus that long on one project. I wonder if there are more mangas that have been in production this long by the same drawer.
every chatper of berserk is released once a month in a anime magazine, then when all the chapters are done he just puts it together into a volume.
Vandread
04-10-02, 01:21 PM
Since the topic is on Gatt's sword....Is there a replica of his sword? What I mean is....was there ever swords of that size and strength ever weilded or is it all just in the mythology of BERSERK?
Well, it was said in Rurouni Kenshin (ep 4-6, not exactly sure) that the similarily proportioned sword Sanosuke used to wield, the Zanza-tou, was originally used to cleave mounted horsemen or something (much like medieval europian greatswords IIRC), but not commonly used because it's so heavy to use.
A sword as heavy and wide as the one Gatts wields is just too heavy and unwieldy to use, plain and simple (especially with only one completely functional arm as in the case of our Berserkish hero). I'm no expert on these matters, but attacking would leave you wide open to attack for much too long period of time. Of course it should do well in cleaving monsters like Zodd and co. :D
Petezilla
26-11-02, 03:13 PM
Since the sword would weigh around 500 pounds(personnal guess) I dont think many people would be able to use a sword like that. Even if someone had the strenght to lift it he still wouldn't be able to hit anything because of the speed problem.
Vincent V
22-12-02, 04:31 PM
Guts, Gatts, whatever is name is (in the anime, it's Guts, while in the manga, it's Gatts (messed up sh!t, huh? :D)) has the sweetest sword. How many of you guys remeber the game for Dreamcast called "Sword of Berserk" ? Its a pretty sweet game tht revolves around Gatts sword (they call him Gatts in the game also) and how you are supposed to feed this sword with the blood of your enemies and stuff. Kinda like a Shinobi (PS2) thingy and you go throught almost e whole anime, and it's really swet game. But, back to the subject, his sword is called the Dragon Slayer, like some of you guys said, and it has anet weight (i researched this) of aout 480 kilos. Pretty cool huh? Gatts is one hec of a strong guy!! :D :D :D
Petezilla
22-12-02, 09:40 PM
480 kilos huh that seems a bit extreme what's your source vince.
I read a thread on this on another board and some scientist group(I really have my doubts about this) said that the sword would weigh in at maximum 363 kilos if it was forged entirely out of iron.
Iron? I'm quite sure it's made of steel, a very high quality type at that.
So everybody agrees it's like two-three times his body weight (Gutts being way over 100kg himself and his armor being a good 20-40 more)? Damn, that's a heavy sword. :eek:
Zaphikel
24-12-02, 08:18 AM
Originally posted by Alesil
Iron? I'm quite sure it's made of steel, a very high quality type at that.
So everybody agrees it's like two-three times his body weight (Gutts being way over 100kg himself and his armor being a good 20-40 more)? Damn, that's a heavy sword. :eek: I'm pretty sure it's made of iron. My gues is it is about 200 k/g.
Vincent V
29-12-02, 01:20 PM
Petezilla, love the avatar. That's one of my favorite mangas. We should make a forum devoted to Hunter X Hunter, if we already don't have one, I don't remember. But yeah, I guess there are different opinions on the size and weight of Gatts' sword, but this was actually from the "official site" of Berserk, "The Hawks." But I beg to differ with some of you. There is a type of metal called Ultrium, which is almost a mixture of the compunds and features of steel and iron together. Yes, this is a real metal, my class ring is made out of it. But, iron would be my second guess at best.
I'm a bit confused by this Ultrium stuff, as steel basically just is iron that's gone through a lot of treament (including coal and stuff IIRC). I suppose mixing refined steel and pure iron might result in something, though.
Oh right, they do refer to the Dragonslayer as a "big slab of iron". I find this a bit odd as making there'd be no point in making a sword out of iron if steel was available and an iron sword probably wouldn't have survived the beating the one in question has. Any experts of metals present? I'm a bit err... rusty on this stuff. :)
Nagha's revenge
29-12-02, 03:38 PM
Alesil
I'm a bit confused by this Ultrium stuff, as steel basically just is iron that's gone through a lot of treament (including coal and stuff IIRC). I suppose mixing refined steel and pure iron might result in something, though.
I have not read anything anyone has said. Honestly I see nothing new coming from this thread, but just one thing.
Steel is refined iron. It's hard improving somthing by adding something that does not offer any desirable qualities.
This is steel. (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=steel) It is mixed with carbon(coal) among other stuff and if I recal correctly it's melted at far higher temperatures to burn away the imperfections in the iron.
In the manga they call the Dragonslayer a big slab of iron, it's a translation. It could be steel, but a big slab of steel versus a big slab of iron makes little difference. You can choose iron over steel because it gives a gruff edge to the expression, but that's subjective. Steel generally gives you a polished and smooth mental image where iron is all rough, stained, and rusty. Like I said: subjective.
*edit* It says "Forged from a big slab of iron". Perhaps it hints to the Dragonslayer being sculpted rather than poured. It's like wood. If you make a figurine by sticking little pieces together it will be weaker that if you just scuplt the same figurine out of one solid piece of wood. The latter obviously requires more skill and time. So saying it's iron is not so far fetched. The Dragonslayer does undergo regular (and intensive) maintenance.
something tells me that gatts is pretty strong, beeing able to lift his, probably around 300kg, sword from his back with only one hand. that is quite a strong thing to do. anyways it's probably made out of iron
Vincent V
03-02-03, 01:37 PM
Yes, but i still don't think it's made of steel, because steel would either rust or scratch up after all that they've been through. After all the blood that has been on that thing, sheesh, you'd think that there would be some stains...... :rolleyes:
Petezilla
03-02-03, 05:00 PM
vol 24 spoiler
The Gatts crew were all reseving magic weapons to fight easier against the undead demons, now when the little with saw his sword she appeared to recognize it which might mean that the dragonslayer might be a magic sword with abilities we haven't seen yet.
Originally posted by Vincent V
Petezilla, love the avatar. That's one of my favorite mangas. We should make a forum devoted to Hunter X Hunter, if we already don't have one, I don't remember. But yeah, I guess there are different opinions on the size and weight of Gatts' sword, but this was actually from the "official site" of Berserk, "The Hawks." But I beg to differ with some of you. There is a type of metal called Ultrium, which is almost a mixture of the compunds and features of steel and iron together. Yes, this is a real metal, my class ring is made out of it. But, iron would be my second guess at best.
Well, what you describe sounds very similar to a forging process known as "Damascus Steel" ... the process involves the hammering and fusing together of both Iron and Steel while "folding" the two metals as they are hammered together ... this causes a multilayered alloy that is comprised of many interlocking layers of Steel and Iron ... thus giving the metal the proporties of both Hardness (steel) and flexibility (Iron) ...
... this process became famous and so named because it was first prefected (documented) in use by swordsmiths in Damascus. This type of forging process is visually striking, in that the layers create a very prominant "water ripple effect" ... similar to the growth rings on trees.
SamIam
SPOILERS*************************
the dragon slayer has the element of shadow..skully tells him that the DS has been forged by the countless hatred from spirits that he has killed.
Shiro, when does he say that? Been a while since I read the mangas, so I probably missed that bit.
Originally posted by Alesil
Shiro, when does he say that? Been a while since I read the mangas, so I probably missed that bit.
It's in the newest chapter(s) of future Volume 26 that are published in YA.
SolBadguy
14-06-07, 04:41 AM
I haven't gone far enough but I'm onto episode 9... due to time constraints, i can't watch the series straight through like i normally do... sniffle*
How did Gatt's get his sword? Do they ever explain it in the series? I remember him mentioning that because the sword was special, he was able to fight with that bull demon. I believe this is around episode 5. It was the battle that allowed Griffith to rise up in rank.
Okay, first off, the sword used to fight Nosferatu Zodd(Zodd the Immortal...what ever you wish to refer to him as) had nothing special about it. Compaired to the Dragonslayer used in the begining of the series(both anime and manga) Guts' teenage(when he defeats Basuzo, the 30 man slayer) sword is, I'd say, 3 times smaller.
In the manga it explains how Godo forges the various swords.
As for Drizzten's post, Guts never had a larger-than-usual sword as a child... just because it was a proportional sword to a full grown adult doesn't mean that it would look right being weilded by a 9-10 year-old thus making it look larger than it actually hapened to be. As Guts grows older his sword grows bigger.
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