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Linna32
03-02-02, 12:53 AM
it was so confusing ????
i didnt even get half the thing
^^b
Nairohe
03-02-02, 01:03 AM
I haven't watched it for a while. From what I understand, the Puppet master and Kusanagi are high tech beings who are able to exist in both the net and the real world. The puppet master wanted Kusanagi to see this so he had been searching for her.
Think of it as the same concept used in the MATRIX. after all, Matrix was inspired by Ghost in the Shell. I'll go watch it again... ehehehe...
ParticleEffect
03-02-02, 02:59 AM
ill be watching it for the 1st time very soon.
orochi X
03-02-02, 03:05 AM
i dont think many people understood GitS, i didnt i havent watched it for about 3 years now . . . id rewatch it again if one of my friends didnt lose my copy . . .
i didn't understand the 1st time i've watched it but i've understand it the 2nd time...
I'm not a doll
03-02-02, 04:08 AM
not that I've bothered to watch it for forever and a day ,,, but I really wouldn't mind knowing what people found so confusing ..
cloakactive
03-02-02, 04:15 AM
I watched it, and i understood it. I still dont' like it. I still remember when i first joined this mb and someone grilled me for posting a negative review on the show. :heh:
I understood it the first time I saw it. I also enjoyed it, but when watching it again it seems a bit slow. The musics good though, done by Kenji Kawai (I have no idea why I remember that...).
EVA fiend
03-02-02, 01:16 PM
I understood it after the first viewing...., but reading the manga multiple times before hand sorta helps..., :heh: Now, if anybody read the manga & understood it the first time round.., then I'd be impressed...., :D
7thKeeper
03-02-02, 02:22 PM
I understood the movie quite well..I saw it before getting the manga...the manga took little bit longer. But I loved the Masamune humour in it.
From what I understand, the Puppet master and Kusanagi are high tech beings who are able to exist in both the net and the real world. The puppet master wanted Kusanagi to see this so he had been searching for her.
Not exactly right. The Puppetmaster was a computer espionage program created by Section 6 that gained self-awarness. The Major is as far as we know, just a regular cyborg. It's pretty hard to say since not much of her past is know. But she's a full-body cyborg with pretty much only her brain (and spine I think) left of her body. She doesn't exist in the net like the Puppetmaster does.
Fatal Outlaw
03-02-02, 02:38 PM
no, i never understood any of it. its just a shame that i havent seen it again to fully comprehend it.:(
I don't understand what is so difficult to understand in Ghost in the Shell?! please enlighten me as to what the difficulty is
yeah I loved the music in this film, and the animation I thought was excellent as well as the dialogue and the plot
Fatal Outlaw
03-02-02, 08:37 PM
Originally posted by Dazman
I don't understand what is so difficult to understand in Ghost in the Shell?!
i wasnt really paying too much attention when i was watching it. i also saw it like...years ago, when i wasnt really into anime. but i bet if i watch it now, ill understand it.
hai hai
watch it again and you'll understand ^_^
Stalinist
04-02-02, 12:04 AM
I hated it. It kept you in the dark way too long. There wasn't enough character introduction either.
hai hai
it does lack character introduction...
Linna32
04-02-02, 05:36 AM
Originally posted by Fuhrur
I The musics good though,
good
i though the jap choir was a bit lame im a sucker for drum and guitar combinations and correct me if im rong but did you watch us edited version? coz i watched the madman edited one
Linna32
04-02-02, 05:38 AM
Originally posted by Dazman
I don't understand what is so difficult to understand in Ghost in the Shell?! please enlighten me as to what the difficulty is
yeah I loved the music in this film, and the animation I thought was excellent as well as the dialogue and the plot
hehe, the sound sucked too
IcedHildaChan
04-02-02, 01:54 PM
:confused: What's so confusing about it? I understood everything the first time around. I thought it was great, the music, the storyline, the animation. Definitely worth the praise it's received.
Larisha UDG
04-02-02, 03:16 PM
yeah i didnt understand a small portion of it.. i got most of it... but what was up with the angels and such and such before she got all shot up?
ParticleEffect
04-02-02, 09:34 PM
i just saw it.
i did feal like i was missing info alot of the time. and it seemed a bit short, and huried maybe. the sound and animation was fine and the dub was fine by me also.
i know watching it again would help but i think i got most of it this run( i ddnt even have a synopsis of it b4 i watched it =p). im pretty sure i pulled a message from it also.
it seemed so short though, by the time i was learning the chars and just barely seeing into there motivation it was over. and the ending, atleast atm, just leaves me yearning for more.
when was it made?
i think it was made around mid 1990's...
Final_Eschelon
04-02-02, 11:10 PM
1995, to be exact.
The first time around I watched the English dub and I didn't quite get all of it. Don't get me wrong, the dub is good, I just didn't get the movie's premise first time around. Then I watched it a second time around, In Japanese with subtitles, when I bought the DVD. That helped even more than just seeing it a 2nd time would have. Not only did I pick up on visuals and audio that I missed the 2nd time around, I also got a translation that was closer to the screenwriters' original ideas for the film.
It is one of the more provocative anime films out there. It isn't the best (Akira owns that spot), but it is certainly high up on the charts in terms of intelligence needed to understand all the facets of the film.
After seeing GitS a second time I decided I needed to go buy the manga by Masamune Shirow (I had just gotten into Appleseed at the time and was a bit of a Shirow fanatic. Still am ;) ). Turns out the manga, as is usually the case with books and movies made out of them, was better than the movie. There was simply more space to flesh out the characters. However, I will say this about the movie: it is easier to understand overall than the manga is. This is partially due to the fact that Mr. Shirow has a fetish for putting extremely complex details into his stories. Stuff like how the shells for his fictional guns work, the real-life military benefits of landmates (if they existed in real-life), or the complete political systems of his fictional worlds (anyone who has read any of his graphic novels, with maybe the exception of Dominion Tank Police, will know what I'm talking about). These details, while very accurate and helpful in creating the world of these stories, tend to bog the actual plots of the stories down in the process. The result is almost like reading a data manual for a computer, with a side story of the person who built it strung along inside the manual for kicks. I exaggerate, of course, but that is the only real way to explain the sometimes very convoluted methods that Mr. Shirow uses to write his mangas. But I'm spouting off like a senile old fool.
After seeing Ghost in the Shell a third time (again in Japanese with subtitles), I was able to connect all the elements of the movie together. It is a great film and I highly recommend it to anyone who enjoys intelligent anime.
Originally posted by 7thKeeper
(snip)<br>The Major is as far as we know, just a regular cyborg. It's pretty hard to say since not much of her past is know. But she's a full-body cyborg with pretty much only her brain (and spine I think) left of her body.<br>(snip)
I would disagree, there is something special about kusanagi, she is acting weird for a cyborg and why would the puppetmaster choose her. It is unlikely to be pure coincidence (what in an anime script ever is coincidence anyway :-) the puppetmaster said he had learnt of her in the net, long b4 kusanagi knew he existed, so what caught his attention?
there are a few other details in the anime i m not sure about yet, exactly when did the puppetmaster decide to go AWOL, the defection of the programmer is the beginning of the movie and he allready says, that there is a problem with 2501, yet the interpretator's brain is hacked later by the puppetmaster, which serves section 6's goals to find an excuse for dealing with col. maless (name?) by accusing him of trying to foil talks with gavel.
And who was that pale guy at the helicopter, that section 9 was going to apprehend, he couldnt have been the puppetmaster, though from the sub one might think he is, was that the col. who was arrested after being accused of hacking the interpretator, but why would section 9 handle such an arrest...
Fanatic
05-02-02, 08:35 AM
would disagree, there is something special about kusanagi, she is acting weird for a cyborg
I think we are messing a bit around in the definition of a cyborg now...
Kusanagi is almost entirely mechanical, but what differentiates her from a machine (the cause of her acting 'weird') is her Ghost (Ghost translates loosely to soul). That is the special thing about her, and that is one of the Puppetmaster's main interests.
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thats not what i mean, nobody doubts, that kusanagi, like all full-replacement-cyborgs, has a ghost, the only one who doubts that is kusanagi herself (part of her weirdness imo) she is never looked at as machine, just a human who had some parts of the body (in this case all but the brain) replaced with mechanical hardware, that makes her somewhat special but not unique, there is more than one 'full-replacement-cyborg' running around, bateau even managed to get a, though not perfect, replacementbody for kusanagi on the black market on short notice, so they are quite common. Her weirdness manifests in her doubting her own ghost, doing SCUBA diving with a body denser than h2o, the static in her brain (beginning of the movie, 'a loose wire' in the dub 'that time of the month' in the sub, one of my favourite scenes in this anime:o) and bateau has mentioned her acting strange in his reports.
sorry if 'there is something special about kusanagi' didnt make it clear.
Stalinist
05-02-02, 04:05 PM
One major reason it was confusing was that they made no major distinguishable features for each character. That's why there's all the funky hair-do's and colors, because it makes it much easier to distinguish. After watching a while, I'm sure that everyone would notice if they started drawing Spike Spiegel a little differently, but when you first start watching without a real introduction, you can't tell who's who.
It starts off with an assassin fading away into the night. They make it look like the bad guy. Then there's this guy and a girl in a van, you get to know them a tiny bit and you hear about cybernetics. She connects, does some stuff. Then I see someone being chased by this invisible person. Okay, I assumed it was the one I saw in the beginning which I also assumed was 2501 which Ghost in the Shell was known for. She goes visible, and it turns out to be the same person.
That alone made me lose interest. I watched the rest but didn't really watch it. She's approached with the decision at the very end of the movie. The story description sounded like she was approached in the middle of the story and had to decide in the very end or something.
Not to mention that it specifically spent five minutes worth of tit shots. You could tell they specifically tried to get as much of it in as they could. Personally I thought the dubbed sucked. The Japanese lines were apparently much shorter, and they had to talk unrealistically fast. You could follow what they were saying, but it's almost painful to the ears to hear someone talk like that.
Waste of money.
Sei San
22-01-03, 03:26 PM
I watched it and understood it. It wasnt very good, but I didnt mind it.
MauveVandal
22-01-03, 11:57 PM
I didn't catch a word of it... I was to busy admiring the guns. Seriously I'd need to watch it again, I haven't seen it in about a year. When I watched it the first time I didn't really give it much thought, just taking in what I could.
KASHANKA
07-02-03, 05:53 PM
I haven't seen it yet, but I'm currently downloading it...
It will be ready afther 9 hours with a 2kb per second speed.
Gryshnak
08-02-03, 04:07 AM
Originally posted by genius
...the static in her brain (beginning of the movie, 'a loose wire' in the dub 'that time of the month' in the sub, one of my favourite scenes in this anime:o)I watched if first time around as a sub, and was quite impressed. I wasn't raving about it, but I thought it was pretty good. Second time around, I watched it as a dub (aren't DVDs wonderful?) but after 5 minutes I switched back to subtitles again. The line about 'that time of the month' being changed to 'a loose wire' really annoyed me, what a cop out! I want an accurate translation at all times, dammit!
I watched it properly again last week, and this time I was very impressed. It really is a very good movie, and I highly recommend it to everyone.
Don't know how long I'll have to wait for GITS:SAC to be officially released however :confused:
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