Firearms Detail

[The_NME]

I saw the first and last eps when they showed on SBS whenever it was and I bought the DVD a few days ago. I must say the detail on the fireams is amazing, especially on Rally's CZ-75.

[EVA fiend]

The reason guns are so detailed in GSC, both in the anime & the manga.., is due to the fact that Sonoda is a gun freak..., :)

[death]

HUm. That in itself is an interesting fact. Cause he cant own any in japan

[Black_Knight]

Well that's a bummer… But true… You can't…

[The_NME]

It said in that 'making of GSC' special that the closest they get to guns over there are gun magazines or replica weapons. That would definately suck.

[Eddy]

it's the same with most "special agents anime" just look at dirty pair and cyber city oedo808

[Fred]

Originally posted by The_NME
It said in that 'making of GSC' special that the closest they get to guns over there are gun magazines or replica weapons. That would definately suck.

Yeah. It is really a shame that Japanese citizens can't own guns, not even air/bb guns. Sonoda draw guns very well but gun tactics wise not even close to a real gun fire-fight. That why he should come to the states and particle/train with us.

I still think that Rally handgun should have been a 1911 instead of a CZ75.

[death]

He did go over to the states a few times....

[Fred]

Let me clarify. Sonoda should come over to the states (the south) buy himself a nice house and become a US citizen. Instead of spending thousands of dollars on replicas that cost two to three time more then the real working one :rolleyes:, he could spend the money on the genuine thing and have money left to buy a few thousand round to shoot. Hell, he probably still has money left to train at a tactical firearm school:D.

[death]

Well i dont think he would like that.

The life style change from Japan to america would be a bit of a change.

[EVA fiend]

Originally posted by Fred


Yeah. It is really a shame that Japanese citizens can't own guns, not even air/bb guns.

You can get air/BB guns in Japan..., all my BB guns are made there...,

[Fred]

It doesn't mean that Japanese citizens can buy and own them legally. Japanese companies make rifles, scopes, and other firearms stuffs but they are for export only. Howa Machinery, LTD is one of many Japanese companies that export firearms to the USA and other countries. If fact they are licensed by Weatherby to produce Weatherby line of rifles.

Click on their product line. At the bottom you will see the proof that they produce rifles.
http://www.howa.co.jp/english/

Here is an article: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=102050&highlight=rifle+Japan

[EVA fiend]

Originally posted by Fred
It doesn't mean that Japanese citizens can buy and own them legally. Japanese companies make rifles, scopes, and other firearms stuffs but they are for export only. Howa Machinery, LTD is one of many Japanese companies that export firearms to the USA and other countries. If fact they are licensed by Weatherby to produce Weatherby line of rifles.

Click on their product line. At the bottom you will see the proof that they produce rifles.
http://www.howa.co.jp/english/

Here is an article: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=102050&highlight=rifle+Japan

You're talking about real guns..., I'm not..., BB guns to me are those replicas that shoot 6mm plastic pellets..., my mate in Japan has those..., & yes..., I know Japanese citizens can't buy real guns in Japan..., whenever my Japanese mate goes to the US, he spends a couple of days at a shooting range...,

[Fred]

(Japan) Police find illegal lethal air guns sold on Internet
Police find illegal lethal air guns sold on Internet



Yomiuri Shimbun

M29 air guns, the production of which was suspended 16 years ago due to worry that they could kill people, are currently being sold via Internet auction sites, and have been seized lately by police in increasing numbers, according to the Metropolitan Police Department.

The air guns were banned shortly after they were put on the market, but several hundred of the guns are estimated to be in the hands of the public, an MPD official said.

"Possessing a toy gun that is potentially lethal constitutes a crime. We want those who possess these guns to report them to police," the official said.

M29s were produced in 1986 by the Tokyo-based firm Kokusai Sangyo and modeled on the .44 Magnum, a gun made by the U.S. company Smith & Wesson, that was used in the U.S. "Dirty Harry" film series.

An air gun is a toy that fires plastic bullets using compressed air, and usually does not hurt people seriously unless they are hit in the eye.

However, it was found that M29s could fire live ammunition, which could penetrate a two-centimeter-thick cedar board, when fired at point-blank range.

Police determined that the toy gun could wound or kill people without being remodeled. However, about 7,000 to 8,000 of the guns had already been sold before production was suspended a month later.

According to the MPD, the number of M29s seized by police has been increasing since around 1999, when a major search engine started an Internet auction service.

In the past, M29s were sold illegally only among gun collectors. However, the MPD seized 12 of the air guns in 2000 and 20 last year, included those sold on Internet auctions, which are easily accessible even to those who are not gun collectors.

The guns were first sold for 9,000 yen, but can now command prices of up to 30,000 yen.


http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/newse/20020213wo23.htm


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Sorry about the confusion.

Those Japanese air guns only use plastic balls??

[EVA fiend]

Originally posted by Fred
Those Japanese air guns only use plastic balls??

The ones my mate has can only take the 6mm plastic balls..., though apparently some replicas can be modified..., as you have posted...,

[Eddy]

Originally posted by EVA fiend


The ones my mate has can only take the 6mm plastic balls..., though apparently some replicas can be modified..., as you have posted...,

Grrr..i hate people who buy BB guns...there's this guy at college who gets a BB gun out in class and shoots everyone in the general area thinking it's as funny as hell...it bloody hurts and just annoys people! I had to take the gun off him and fire at his head at point blank rage and shout "that's funny is'nt it? you getting hurt and annoyed? funny ain't it?":D

[EVA fiend]

Originally posted by Eddy


Grrr..i hate people who buy BB guns...there's this guy at college who gets a BB gun out in class and shoots everyone in the general area thinking it's as funny as hell...it bloody hurts and just annoys people! I had to take the gun off him and fire at his head at point blank rage and shout "that's funny is'nt it? you getting hurt and annoyed? funny ain't it?":D

That's just bloody stupid of your classmate..., he does realise that if he gets caught in public with one of those that he's likely to get shot by the police over here...? They're not gonna know it's a fake, & the police don't take chances with guns..., they shoot & ask questions later...,

Anyway..., umm.., back on topic.., :heh:

[Fred]

Yeah but look on the bright side, at least there is one less moron in the gene pool. Polices are train to shoot to kill not shoot to wound.

[death]

THat depends where you live

[Fred]

No. If a police carry a gun they are train to kill not wound. The political correct term is called “Shot to stop” which is translated into “Kill the Mother F u c k e r”. Polices officers around the world are train this way. You know why? Because their life is at stake, they got family that they wants to come home to. For any reason if a police officer is threatened with bodily harm they will use lethal force. They will keep shooting until the threat is down. In most cases the threat will be dead before he/she hit the ground.

Handgun (or any firearms for that matter) gunfights are not a game. It happens very fast, very close, and very brutal. You don’t have time to think in a gunfight you just reacted. There is no such thing as an aim shot in close quarter combat (CQC). If you think, you die. Ever microseconds mean life or death. Thinking is a liability in CQC.

If a criminal engaged in a fight with a police officer using a lethal weapon like a knife or firearm, that police officer will keep shooting until the threat has been neutralized. The police officer will not think he will only react the way he/she was trained. A wounded opponent is still a threat and is capable of killing you. It only takes one bullet or one stab with a knife to kill a police officer (or anybody), that is all it takes.

This is how they train:
1. Draw their firearms
2. Aim at the Center of Mass (COM), ie the chest. Because it is a big target and vital organs are store inside there.
3. Shoot until the target is on the ground. Most of the time it will be around 3-17 rounds shots. This all happens in a couple of seconds. Gunfights are very very very stressful!!!

Police and any other person that have any training in firearms(CQC) are trained to shoot only the COM. They are not train to shoot the fingers, opponent ass, the head, the leg, or any other place because those areas are low percentage shoots. We are trained to shoot at the COM where there is a high percentage of hitting it. The chest contain vital organs that if damage can stop the attacker from fighting back. If your opponent is not down he can kill you. The way to win a gunfight is to not let your opponent shoot back at you and the only way to do that is to kill your opponent first. That is how everyone is trained around the world.

You might want to read the Diallo Shooting. Four highly train police officers engaged in what they through was a person (Mr. Diallo) that was going for his gun. Forty one shots were fire in less then four seconds. It is a very good read.
http://www.modernwarrior.com/nypd4/the_diallo_shooting.htm

This second article will explain in dept about why police officers "Shoot to Stop/Kill". A very good read that relates to the Diallo Shooting.
http://www.modernwarrior.com/nypd4/the_diallo_shooting.htm#THE DIALLO SHOOTING

Gunfights are very stressful and very fast!

[Eddy]

Originally posted by EVA fiend


That's just bloody stupid of your classmate..., he does realise that if he gets caught in public with one of those that he's likely to get shot by the police over here...? They're not gonna know it's a fake, & the police don't take chances with guns..., they shoot & ask questions later...,

Anyway..., umm.., back on topic.., :heh:

i doubt there would be a pigger in the photography office;)

it's not the gun part i hate it's those little pellets that sting liike hell.:mad:

[Fred]

Cops don't play around! Don't screw with them! Ever! They will kill you.


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http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/02/25/soldier.killed.ap/index.html

RALEIGH, North Carolina (AP) -- The killing of one Army Special Forces soldier and the wounding of a second by a sheriff's deputy during an off-base training exercise resulted from "a tragic mistake," the county's chief deputy said Monday.

The soldiers, wearing civilian clothes and riding in a pickup truck outside the boundary of Fort Bragg, were shot when they tried to disarm the deputy, thinking he was taking part in their exercise Saturday, officials said.

The soldiers were participating in a role-playing exercise that is part of the Army's Special Forces Qualification Course.

Moore County Deputy Randall Butler "did exactly what he was supposed to do," said Chief Deputy Lane Carter. "He thought he was in fear for his life from the time the incident started."

Carter said he didn't expect Butler would be charged. District Attorney Garland Yates planned to meet with State Bureau of Investigation agents Monday in Carthage, Carter said.

A civilian was driving the pickup when Butler pulled them over on a rural road outside Robbins, Carter said.

He said Butler had seen the truck twice during a 30-minute period and felt the occupants were acting suspiciously, since one of the men was in the open back of the vehicle in spite of the weather.

"It was 40 degrees and the wind was blowing and the one in the back was crouched down and it just looked strange," he said.

Butler saw a duffel bag with a weapon and one of the men in the cab tried to hide it, Carter said. The deputy ordered both people out of the truck cab and threw the bag on the ground. One soldier tried to assault him and Butler sprayed him with pepper spray, he said.

The second soldier came out of the back of the truck and tried to grab the weapon in the bag and Butler shot and wounded him, Carter said. The first soldier came at him again and was fatally shot.

The soldiers were participating in a reconnaissance mission in which they were to locate a target to be used in a mission, said Maj. Gary Kolb, spokesman for the Special Operations Command, which includes the Special Forces. He said the weapon in the bag was a disassembled M-4 carbine.

The training exercise, known as "Robin Sage," is the 19-day final exam of the Special Forces Qualification Course. The exercise has been conducted in central North Carolina since the mid-1950s without incident, the Army said.

Carter said county officials knew an exercise was going on and that it included a traffic stop last week in neighboring Randolph County.

Civilians and local authorities are often asked to assist in the training exercises, Kolb said. The Moore County sheriff's office was told a training exercise was under way, but the Army did not coordinate specifically with the sheriff's office and Butler probably was unaware of it, he said.

"In this instance, they were not informed about this, because the scenario itself was not intended to draw attention of the local authorities," Kolb said.

Kolb said the soldiers' identities would not be released until relatives were notified. The wounded soldier was in serious condition at FirstHealth Moore Regional Hospital in Pinehurst.

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[MauveVandal]

That's all find and dandy, but I'd like to say they did detail the guns very well on GSC's considering they can't own any! The CZ75 is a good gun and all, but Spike's IMI Jericho is a whole lot better in my opinion. I like the guns used in Cowboy Bebop, but they don't really pay much attention to the guns themselves they detail it great and they got a gun fight down but its not like GSC's which I'm thankful for in the sense that every anime is not alike. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is a Bren Ten in the series right?

[Fred]

I don't recall a Bren Ten in GSC manga but it has been awhile since I last read it.

IMI Jericho is alright but if you're going to get a CZ get the original. BTW I think the main gun Spike use was a Ruger and not the IMI Jericho. IMI Jericho was only use in esp. 20, I think.