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Wolfpac
06-07-00, 05:30 PM
I've got a rough Idea but What exacly is Lilith???
Is it Adam???
Is it the first Angel???
and Why dose SEELE has it's face as its symbol(Logo)???
and if it was Lilith that was nailed to the Cross where is the True Adam (not the clone)???
Matariel
06-07-00, 06:17 PM
Lilith is the SECOND angel. SEELE got a hold of Lilith first, and then they gave it to NERV because they didn't know that Gendo had his own plans. Adam is the first angel. Adam is the giant of light that was seen in Antarctica and caused the second impact. After second impact, Adam was shrank into an embryo and emplanted into Gendo's left hand.
- Matariel
fireguy
06-07-00, 09:31 PM
Lillith is the second angel. Seele has its face as its symbol because Lillith represents humanities origins the place Seele wants to take us back to.
I think the logo of Seele was put onto Lillith's face... To control the 'power' she has... to represent that she is incomplete... Remeber that when Rei joined Lillith, the mask fell and showed her real face and power...
Katz00, I would bitch at you for bringing back 3 month old topics now... but... your posts don't suck :B: That's a nice little insight, about the mask.
Just to point out, though, the "real face" is Rei's face. Lilith doesn't actually look like Rei, its because Rei merged with Lilith.
Something weird I have noticed (I think I mentioned it before, but no one cared ;)), is that the eyes on Units 0-2 add up to the 7 on Lilith's mask and SEELE's symbol. Units 3 & 4 were both destroyed before they were used (If I recall 03 wasn't even finished), and the Eva Series had no eyes.
Its creepy :B:
Thanx for the... well... greeting,Githon... I guess...
That's a weird thing you mention there... maybe it is coincidence or maybe it was done on pourpuse... who knows... but that is something to make a new thread about... don't you agree???
PS: OK... Sorry for bringing back old threads... they just seemed interesting...
Wolfpac
24-10-00, 02:43 AM
Originally posted by Githon
Katz00, I would bitch at you for bringing back 3 month old topics now... but... your posts don't suck :B: That's a nice little insight, about the mask.I recon it's good. Apart from making people thinking how good my opinion is, the subjects are alot more orignal that the repetive stuff going aroung now
What exacly is Lilith???
she is the progenitor of humanity
Is it Adam???
no its not - more like counterpart of Adam
Is it the first Angel???
in my opinion she is the first angel since angels are numbered based on chronology and the third angel appeared 15 yrs. after Adam - hence Adam is the second angel.
"Why dose SEELE has it's face as its symbol(Logo)???"
actually that symbol is not merely Seele's symbol. the actual mask which Lilith wears is called Adam's mask.
"and if it was Lilith that was nailed to the Cross where is the True Adam (not the clone)???
it was in Germany but smuggled to Japan by Kaji. it was reduced to embryo form after second impact.
Originally posted by ryezen
"Why dose SEELE has it's face as its symbol(Logo)???"[/i]
actually that symbol is not merely Seele's symbol. the actual mask which Lilith wears is called Adam's mask.
Well that also kills off one of the arguments that lilith is the first as SEELE would only use the first angel as its symbol.
Or something along those lines, im sure Access was one of the main zelots promoting that line, but im sure there are others out there that conformed to it as well.
ATh
Hmm... I've been rewatching the whole series (god knows why), but... somewhere (I forget where, coulda sworn I wrote it down. Either 0:8 or 0:9, probably 8...), Misato DOES say Adam is the first angel a few times. Despite the fact everyone is messing with her mind, it seems that Adam is the first angel, regardless of when Lilith appeared. Maybe they didn't consider Lilith an angel at first, and when Adam showed up, they started numbering them.
Ya, that doesn't make sense, what'd you expect, I'm tired, gimmie a break :P
Katz00, last I mentioned it, no one even noticed, I don't think it really merits its own topic. It's just kinda interesting :B: Yes, I would imagine it was on purpose, it's pretty unlikely not to be.
Wolfpac
24-10-00, 08:05 PM
Umm...Reyzen, Thanks for answering my Questions but I could of used them 3½ months ago when I was new to this Forum and I had no clue about them. But thanks anyway
Now the SEELE one isn't totally clear, but nothing in Evangelion really is
fireguy
24-10-00, 08:05 PM
Just had a random thought in regards to why that mask was put on lillith. After reading Ryezen's post indicating the mask is called adams mask, that thing itself could carry a signature or biological imprint of its actual owner. Seeing as though lillith doesn't have her soul anymore, this turns her form into a golem, SEELE then put adams mask on lillith to make the angels believe that adam is contained at nerv HQ. That is also why they sent Kaoru to lillith they had also hoped IMO that Kaoru would see the mask, think it is adam and merge without further thought. Only problem was Kaoru was the angel of free will and once he realised it wasn't adam, he didn't go through with merging and realised humans were the ones that deserved to live and cease the future.
"Well that also kills off one of the arguments that lilith is the first as SEELE would only use the first angel as its symbol.
Or something along those lines, im sure Access was one of the main zelots promoting that line, but im sure there are others out there that conformed to it as well."
no it does not. now I only said that the mask itself was called Adam's mask - i did not refer to the symbol as Adam's symbol ;)
"Umm...Reyzen, Thanks for answering my Questions but I could of used them 3½ months ago when I was new to this Forum and I had no clue about them. But thanks anyway
Now the SEELE one isn't totally clear, but nothing in Evangelion really is"
gaaaa!!! the revivals are killing me! - :lol:
...that thing itself could carry a signature or biological imprint of its actual owner. Seeing as though lillith doesn't have her soul anymore, this turns her form into a golem, SEELE then put adams mask on lillith to make the angels believe that adam is contained at nerv HQ. That is also why they sent Kaoru to lillith they had also hoped IMO that Kaoru would see the mask, think it is adam and merge without further thought. Only problem was Kaoru was the angel of free will and once he realised it wasn't adam, he didn't go through with merging and realised humans were the ones that deserved to live and cease the future.
well i was thinking the same thing - thanx for saving me the time! :D
Well.
SEELE then put adams mask on lillith to make the angels believe that adam is contained at nerv HQ
This tied in with what i was saying before, that Lilith and Adam give off a 'scent', that the angels are attracted to, but NERV was covering this up to make it smell like Adam, not Lilith, my first conclusion was that unit 00 was the masking scent, but it could well be that this Mask does the job.
(i think i migt go off and find the thread where i brought this up so i can dance on the shame of those that disagreed with me :) )
ATh
Ok Ath, but think about this:
If all Eva's are really clones of Adam... shouldn't his 'scent' be in them to??? Then that's why the HQ of Nerv is covered with Adam's scent... and the Angels attack it...
PS: Mew!
Originally posted by Katz00
Ok Ath, but think about this:
If all Eva's are really clones of Adam... shouldn't his 'scent' be in them to??? Then that's why the HQ of Nerv is covered with Adam's scent... and the Angels attack it...
PS: Mew!
?????? Im not sure what your getting at.
Not all the Eva's are cloned from Adam, 01 is of Lilith.
Secondly, 02 did not arrive to NERV until after a few angel attacks. The vast bulk of the remaining were only used in the final moments before 3rd impact.
Only units 00 and 01 were built at NERV.
I need to find the thread where i raised this point.
ATh
I've got a rough Idea but What exacly is Lilith???
According to religious philosophy, Lilith was Adam's first interest. She was equal to Adam, not made from him.
Is it Adam???
No, Adam is the second Angel.
Is it the first Angel???
Yes.
and Why dose SEELE has it's face as its symbol(Logo)???
Because they were trying to find Lilith.
and if it was Lilith that was nailed to the Cross where is the True Adam (not the clone)???
Shrunk, remember, when Kaji brought it to Gendo in 'Asuka' Strikes?
Well to answer one question, the Mask over the face of Lilith is known as Adams mask- so that symbol is of Adam, not Lilith, so SEELE's symbol is one of Adam.
Yes Adam, the embryo Kaji brought from Germany is the 'real' Adam, and it was later implanted into Gendo's hand.
im not sure what your aiming for though
ATh
Well to answer one question, the Mask over the face of Lilith is known as Adams mask- so that symbol is of Adam, not Lilith, so SEELE's symbol is one of Adam.
dont be so hasty, you did mention that the first being which crashed on earth was named Adam Kadmon (did i get it right?) so since this being was composed of BOTH adam and Lilith, it does not make Adam the first angel and lilith the second, after they separate.
just because the being had Adam's name before the kadmon doesnt mean that Adam (angel who caused second impact) is the same being as Adam kadmon. hence becomes the first angel
now like i said, the mask is called Adam's mask - it does not mean that the symbol is Adam's symbol
btw, how did you guys come up with that name anyway?
Are you asking how about the Name Adam Kadmon?
If yes, it is the name given to the Perfect Man, and has a great deal of Qabalistic importance. (it has only minor attributes to Adam of the bible) AS i say, it is used incorrectly in reference to NGE, but for whatever reason it continues to be used (though i guess it depends on what yuo want from NGE)
ATh
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