The dark side of CCS

[assyria]

For being one a of CLAMP's most 'happy go lucky' series, has anyone else noticed how many dark themes still creep into CCS?

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Apart from Sakura's mother being dead nearly every character the meet through out the series has some close to them who has died.
-Maki's (Damn forgotten her last name, but she's the owner of the shop with all the cute toys in it), husband.
-Yuuki-chan's (the girl from the Quiet Card ep), father, and
-Akane-chan's (the girl who find's Kero-chan after his and Sakura's fight), father.
Plus all the Card loosing Clow Reed in the first place is sad. (I know, I know, if Clow never died Sakura would have never got the cards, no cards no story, blar, blar, blar. Still, it doesn't stop it being sad. Kero-chan and Yue looked so happy in the past. In fact I think that's the only time I've ever seen Yue look anything close to happy :p )

....Hmmm after looking back at that list I don't think I'd be a guy in CCS cause there's more chance of you being killed off :D

Maybe not so black but, some other mentionable sad stuff…
-(Rei?) Tachibana making friends with Peewee (The Dash Card) then "loosing" him.
-Kaho braking up with Touya. :bawling: I still thought that was so sad. I still don't know if I can like her again after that.
-Syaoran telling Mei-ling he liked someone else. Poor Mei-ling-chan

[cloakactive]

Another rather dark fact was how and who Sakura had to face during the final judgement. Its just one of those twists that CLAMP loves to use... sorta like in MKRs' first season ending. Having to fight an enemy and fight your own inner emotions can be rather chaotic.

Thats my two cents for now.

[snowcherry]

Not to mention, though a different sort of "dark", CLAMP's trademark sexual overtones here and there. They really -can't- create a purely children's series o_o
I suppose that's okay though, because 95% of the "questionable" content in CCS would fly over the heads of young children. It's subtle, but it's present.

[suzaku]

hai hai

that's one of the specialties of CLAMP, twist plots...

Ohkawa Nanase-sensei's style of story telling is very unique and that's what makes CLAMP CLAMP :kawaii:

[assyria]

Originally posted by snowcherry

I suppose that's okay though, because 95% of the "questionable" content in CCS would fly over the heads of young children. It's subtle, but it's present.

Probably why they choose CCS over other CLAMP works to dumb…Er sorry, dub down to western children. Doing the same to a series like X would leave nothing left after they edited out everything that's "not good for kiddies to see."

[suzaku]

hai hai

some of CLAMP's works are too graphic

[tfcreate]

Ok, it's a cartoon, but watching a 10-year-old girl getting the crap beaten out of her just dosen't set right with me. But she wins in the end.....
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[suzaku]

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[tfcreate]

Originally posted by suzaku
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[Foxxe]

Why the :...: Suzaku?

[suzaku]

:heh:

iie...nande monai

[suzaku]

:heh:

[Foxxe]

Ara-ara. OIC. :sweatdrop:

[Eddy]

Cardcaptors don't hve a dark side..i eman if i was Sakura i'd just say oh frig catching the cards let the army and the GI's deal with it:D

and i mean Sakura;s mum was dead..yet she came back as a spirit many times..and we all know death is about a person never coming back so no it don't have a dark side it's all idealistic crap:p

...but fun idealistic crap

[suzaku]

^_^

you could say that

[JadeFire]

Ahhh... I don't mean to sound childish or too opinionated (but I guess I am... opinionated I mean errr..) but I don't think loss and pain qualifies as 'the dark side'. I think that tends to be a bit of a dramatic terminology for it. Yes I grant you dealing with the aspects of the 'judgement day' must have been difficult, but its not like she was battling creatures from the black lagoon. Although CCS does face grown up issues, I think it can also be a series that is good for a child as well, (I do mean uncut version) if that child were say.... mature enough to see past the flashy costumes and such. And if not... so be it ne? Its entertainment. I do not watch Card Captor Sakura to be moved by its depth or racked mentally by its symbolism. I watch it for a bit of 'fluff' when the world seems 'fluffless'. Its a cheer up factor, chicken soup for the soul. It has emotional aspects and can't be considered shallow, for it is not... but I hate to sound pretentious by saying all this, but I think alot of anime, CLAMP creation or not has alot of emotional aspects such as death, pain, loss, and general hurt. I grant you those one time flicks lack it usually... but most things (even Kodocha from crying out loud) seems to express a certain bit of reality.

Call it not 'the dark side' maybe just... a bit of realism? And not much of it however, since my dad wouldn't smile if I ruined his office and work he'd been working for hours and hours on and hug me, would yours? I think while everyone is trying to flaunt how CCS has this and that, they're forgetting we aren't trying to sell Card Captor Sakura, are we? Its a great show, it doesn't need anything else, it may not have the most amazing plot, or the most amazing depth, but it does have a beauty of its own, and should probably be the focus of it.

[tfcreate]

Originally posted by suzaku
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iie...nande monai

So much for free speech.....:sulkoff:
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[assyria]

Originally posted by JadeFire
Ahhh... I don't mean to sound childish or too opinionated (but I guess I am... opinionated I mean errr..) but I don't think loss and pain qualifies as 'the dark side'. I think that tends to be a bit of a dramatic terminology for it. Yes I grant you dealing with the aspects of the 'judgement day' must have been difficult, but its not like she was battling creatures from the black lagoon. Although CCS does face grown up issues, I think it can also be a series that is good for a child as well, (I do mean uncut version) if that child were say.... mature enough to see past the flashy costumes and such. And if not... so be it ne? Its entertainment. I do not watch Card Captor Sakura to be moved by its depth or racked mentally by its symbolism. I watch it for a bit of 'fluff' when the world seems 'fluffless'. Its a cheer up factor, chicken soup for the soul. It has emotional aspects and can't be considered shallow, for it is not... but I hate to sound pretentious by saying all this, but I think alot of anime, CLAMP creation or not has alot of emotional aspects such as death, pain, loss, and general hurt. I grant you those one time flicks lack it usually... but most things (even Kodocha from crying out loud) seems to express a certain bit of reality.

Call it not 'the dark side' maybe just... a bit of realism? And not much of it however, since my dad wouldn't smile if I ruined his office and work he'd been working for hours and hours on and hug me, would yours? I think while everyone is trying to flaunt how CCS has this and that, they're forgetting we aren't trying to sell Card Captor Sakura, are we? Its a great show, it doesn't need anything else, it may not have the most amazing plot, or the most amazing depth, but it does have a beauty of its own, and should probably be the focus of it.

Okay maybe "Dark" was too strong of a word, but hey it got you in to read my thread ^_^ The word "realism" probably is a bit of stretch too. How about we met somewhere in between. :p

Anyway my aim was only to point out CLAMP's re-occurring themes of death and tragedy showing even in cute and uplifting serise like CCS, and not to make out that it's one of the blackest animes out or that any of the above is a bad thing.

Ja na

[suzaku]

hai hai

CLAMP is really good when it comes to this things ^_^

[Ronin Aquila]

Originally posted by suzaku
hai hai

some of CLAMP's works are too graphic

Gosh, I never knew that Intestines could flow out of your body like a river until I saw the Manga of X. :heh:

[suzaku]

:lol:

[beanturd13]

:fftopic: soz

[suzaku]

:heh:

Gomenasai

[Ronin Aquila]

Well, all I can say is that the ladies at CLAMP really paid attention in anatomy class. :heh:

[suzaku]

hai hai

or they've used an anatomy book for reference ^_^

[Ronin Aquila]

Though a Med Student friend of mine has stated that they neglected to draw the ruptured inter bowel membranes that once held the entrails.. but oh well. :D

[tfcreate]

Originally posted by Ronin Aquila
Though a Med Student friend of mine has stated that they neglected to draw the ruptured inter bowel membranes that once held the entrails.. but oh well. :D

C'mon, guys!!!! I just ate!!!! GROSS!!!

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[Ayanamipuff]

But not that gross, ne? ::cocks head slightly to the right:: ^_^

[suzaku]

hai hai

it's not gross at all ^_^

[tekblade]

seems natural to me :D

[Ronin Aquila]

You shouldn't eat while you type. :kawaii: All the cookie crumbs would really f#ck up your keyboard in the long run, wouldn't it? :kawaii:

[suzaku]

:lol:

alright...we're now :fftopic:

[sukie80]

It wasn't until assyria mention it, that I notice-that is really dark.

Maybe all the single parents can hook up---:)

[suzaku]

hoe?

[Ronin Aquila]

Not those with grown children, however. For in doing so would be betraying the memory of their dead mother, and therefore would be more deserving to have every bone in their skeleton summarily shattered. :mad2:

[suzaku]

what ronin said...^_^

[Ronin Aquila]

And I will do that to my Dad if he dares to even contemplates the concept of remarriage, particularly if its a young woman involved. :mad2:

[suzaku]

HOE!!!

calm down ronin-kun ^_^

[assyria]

Originally posted by sukie80
It wasn't until assyria mention it, that I notice-that is really dark.

Maybe all the single parents can hook up---:)

Yay my rambling's made some sort of sense to someone ^_^

Don't really know if I agree with the single parents hooking up thing though? I mean they all seem pretty happy despite their losses, and speaking as someone with devised and remarried parents, I agree with Ronin Aquila, that they should stay single :p

[suzaku]

but you know CLAMP ^_^

[Ronin Aquila]

Originally posted by assyria


Yay my rambling's made some sort of sense to someone ^_^

Don't really know if I agree with the single parents hooking up thing though? I mean they all seem pretty happy despite their losses, and speaking as someone with devised and remarried parents, I agree with Ronin Aquila, that they should stay single :p

I envy you. At least both your parents are still alive.

[suzaku]

hoe?

[sukie80]

HOE??? Is right,

[Ayanamipuff]

My parents split...

[suzaku]

hoe...

at least both of them are still alive...

[sukie80]

:confused:

[JadeFire]

Originally posted by assyria


Okay maybe "Dark" was too strong of a word, but hey it got you in to read my thread ^_^ The word "realism" probably is a bit of stretch too. How about we met somewhere in between. :p

Anyway my aim was only to point out CLAMP's re-occurring themes of death and tragedy showing even in cute and uplifting serise like CCS, and not to make out that it's one of the blackest animes out or that any of the above is a bad thing.

Ja na

Ahhhh point taken then ^.^ yeah dark and realism are still too strong, how about a word that does not exist, since why should something so cute have a word that matches it so perfectly anyways? It doesn't! Yes I'm being strange.

[Ayanamipuff]

Originally posted by suzaku
hoe...

at least both of them are still alive...


Ya.... That's how I try to look at it. ^^; Besides, if I lived with my dad, I'd have kinda Evangelion-like thing going on. ^_^

[suzaku]

:lol:

[Ayanamipuff]

I feel loved... ^_^

[suzaku]

so desu ne ^_^

[Ayanamipuff]

^_^

-_-; I wish I knew more Japanesse -_-; gomen hehe

[suzaku]

^_^

daijoubu

it's not that hard to learn Japanese

[Ronin Aquila]

Just put duct tape over the subtitles when you watch an episode for the second time. ;)

[Ayanamipuff]

Ronin-san, if I did that, I couldn't see bottom of screen!

Lucky! Period1 classes just have changed at school so now I'm in Japanese! ^_^ Also, I know most of words being taught! Wai! \^o^/

[black_angel]

so your right .........O_O ..........SWEET!!!!!:D

[JadeFire]

Originally posted by Ronin Aquila
Just put duct tape over the subtitles when you watch an episode for the second time. ;)

*laughs* If I did that, I still wouldn't understand. I know just a few words, but I doubt I could ever construct whole sentences.

[suzaku]

:lol:

same here...even though i understand japanese, i still can't understand some words/phrases and some kanji characters :heh:

[tekblade]

kanji is so hard, i know :D, each kanji character has so many meanings and theres so many :lol:

[suzaku]

hai hai

you could say that again :kawaii:

[Ronin Aquila]

Much like swordsmanship, learning Kanji is an ultimately rich and rewarding experience. :)

[tekblade]

hehe yep :D

[suzaku]

Originally posted by Ronin Aquila
Much like swordsmanship, learning Kanji is an ultimately rich and rewarding experience. :)

hai hai :kawaii:

[Ronin Aquila]

Every stroke of your pen becomes as fulfilling as that of a sword singing through the air. ;)

[suzaku]

^_^

[tekblade]

well, i rather swing the blade then rather try and write kanji :lol:

[suzaku]

:lol::lol:

[Ronin Aquila]

Back on topic, speaking of swords, don't you find the Clow Cards' (like the Sword Card) willingness to kill to achieve its goals disturbing in a sweet show like CCS?

[suzaku]

hai hai

Clow Cards have the potential to kill ppl...

[Ronin Aquila]

But its so sweet that Sakura-Chan never does so in spite of her tools' immense power. :kawaii:

[suzaku]

hai hai :kawaii:

[Ronin Aquila]

All hail Skura-Chan, princess eternal!! :kawaii:

[suzaku]

:lol:

[Ayanamipuff]

^-^ Hai, hai, very much!^-^

*by the way, me back*

[Ronin Aquila]

Welcome back!! :kawaii:

[suzaku]

okairi nasai ^^

[Ayanamipuff]

^.^

[Ronin Aquila]

:kawaii:

[suzaku]

^_^

[cloakactive]

Whoa... I go and don't check this forum for a month or so... I see this particular thread still going on... only to find the last page overtaken with a bunch of smilies??? Wheres the discussion of the dark side of CCS?

If Eriol is the dark side of Clow Reed, and Sakura's Dad is the reincarnation of the light side... ever wonder how things would have been if the situations were switched with Sakura's Dad being the reincarnation of the dark side, and Eriol being the reincarnation of the light side of Clow Reed?

**side note** I haven't read the other pages in this thread since last i came here... i'm afraid it might all be smilies... so I don't know if this has been proposed yet... :heh:

[suzaku]

if Fujitaka Kinimoto is the dark reincarnation of Clow Reed then Fujitaka will still be like the light reincarnation of Clow Reed but this time he'll help Sakura increase her power and help her to control all of her Sakura Cards just like what the dark reincarnation of Clow Reed had planned...

this time it will be more ironic that even CLAMP themselves have ever imagined :kawaii:

[wraith14]

man...never knew ccs could be so dark.... kinda confusing though about eriol being dark side of clow reed and sakuras dad reincarnation? wat's up with that? ( haven't gotten that far into the series)

[jinshil]

Originally posted by cloakactive
Whoa... I go and don't check this forum for a month or so... I see this particular thread still going on... only to find the last page overtaken with a bunch of smilies??? Wheres the discussion of the dark side of CCS?

:lol: thats so true.

I don't think much would change if Eriol and Fujitaka's positions were changed...

If that were the case, Eriol would have much to do except for make pudding --;;

They would just have to cancel out the "Sakura's Kind Father" ep =P

[suzaku]

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