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Westlo

04-03-02, 01:41 AM

Originally posted by thedarkmarine
Well, why is it a clone?

Giant robots was eva the first?
Relationship of characters to anime
Main character = Shinji who is an amuro clone anyway (situation not character)
That girl in yellow dress = Rei no she smiled in the second ep and it took rei much longer to do that :p
That lady that rescues main character = Misato misato was obviously the first tough chick anime character who was in the milatary or the like......
Main character's mom = Gendo parents using their child for some purpose hmmmm thats also been invented by eva
Year = 2015

There's more but that's enough.

However, I do feel that's unique enough in it's own ways to be very promising. Ie, Tokyo Jupiter, the designs of stuff are pretty cool (Drone fighters kick ass), and story does not copy eva, just the same style. It gives the same atmosphere and I'm thourghouly enjoying it.

I've seen up to ep4 and ep4 is the best yet. I can't wait for more. O ya, the intro song: Hemisphere kicks ass.

It gives the same atmosphere

That is all it does it has the same atmosphere, is that a bad thing...of course not and hemisphere is a much better song than CAT and i'm sure yoko kanno's ost for this will be superior to evas...

If you wanna go calling things copy then i can say Trigun is a blantant rip off of Rurouni Kenshin and my reasons will be much better than the ones you listed for Eva/Rahxephon.

thedarkmarine

11-03-02, 02:57 PM

I forgot to mention, 5 seconds into watching Rah, my eva-fan-freak friend goes: "That's so eva." He was talking about the gates at the very beginning on the aircraft carrier, how they move horizontally, just like in the eva launch sequence.

One more huge similarity: "Welcome Home." ~ep 5.

Don't get me wrong though, I love RahXephon, cause it's like eva, but it's not a rippoff; it's different but with lots of the same elements. I don't know how they do it though. Ep 5 was great. Just focusing on the characters. Lot more light-hearted but you sense underlying problems...just like eva!

Westlo

12-03-02, 05:21 PM

orignally posted by kizzim

Hahahhaa... Eva is nothing like Gundam, im sorry, just because they both use mecha doesnt make it alike. The mecha work differently have different weapons, and are used differently. Amuro once again is really nothing like Shinji, Amuro doesnt mind fighting, Shinji whines everytime he has to, and Gunbuster, please, gunbuster was done in space, and all i remember from that stupid series was them making some giant like jupiter or black hole and getting sucked in and not comming out for like 80 years at the end.

Atleast if yer going to insult me put a little more thought into it, amature.

I'm continuing this discussion from the fmp request thread

Amuro once again is really nothing like Shinji

I believe Sheex put this best in another thread about the shinji/amuro thing

The fact that the main character is a teenage boy who in the first episode gets into a mecha made by his father while the surrounding city is being destroyed by enemy forces, then is forced into the organization against his will. As the series progresses the main character is put off often as selfish, rude, immature and a 'loser'. Both have little faith in their abilities at the start of the series but eventually become the most important force in the organzation. Both basically commit 'treason' against the organization at once point in the series and both are reprimanded for it by being thrown in a cell. It has nothing to do with the mecha argument, it has everything to do with the fact that Shinji is nothing more than a new Amuro Ray

Oh please if you think Anno did not borrow elements from his earlier series (Nadia and Gunbuster) you are really, really naive or/and stupid. Then again after your threads about how bad kenshin is and fansubs i believe it is the later.

Sheex, The Dark Stalker

12-03-02, 05:30 PM

Hey, check out this new show, its by the guys who made Esca and Bebop.

Alright.

5 minutes into the show...

THIS IS A EVA CLONE!!!! EVA'S TOO MONDO COOL OVER DIS THANG. THIS SHOW SUCKS I GO BYE BYE NOW

Why's it an Eva clone?

Well, look, its a mecha show!

Wow, there are only 50,000 of those out.

Well, it uses symbolism.

So symbolism has only existed in our soceity since 1995 when Evangelion made it up?

Oh yeah!?! Well... um... the main characters a loser!!! That has to make it an Eva clone!

Hmm... thats strange. There was this little known show on Cartoon Network I saw last summer where a loser piloted a powerful mech and constantly whined, complained, wished he wasn't the pilot, betrayed the organization, got thrown in a cell, etc...

Yeah! Thats Eva! They showed Eva on TV! See!?! Everythings an Eva clone!

Oh yes, now that I think about it that show was Mobile Suit Gundam, which came out 16 years before Eva.

O I C. Well... um... there's a red haired woman in it!

Gee, I didn't know that red haired women existed.

Well... uh... there's a character called Hyuga in it!

So the Japanese aren't allowed to name people Hyuga anymore?

Hmm....

Hey, check this show out. It may actually be able to help your argument. Its called Key the Metal Idol. It also features a thin girl who's very pale, has light hair and eyes, and has got a mysterious past. Also, the main character lives with a big breasted brunette who's essentially her guardian.

YEAH!!! THAT PROVES ME RIGHT YOU BOZO!!! ITS AN EVA CLONE WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT!!!

Oh wait, whats this? I checked the date on Key, it came out before Eva. Looks like its the other way around.

NO~O~~!! SHOWS CAN ONLY RIPOFF EVA!!! EVA CAN'T RIPOFF SHOWS!! *runs off crying*

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As I hope my little conversation has shown, the whole Eva ripoff issue is nothing more than a waste of time. Eva is hardly original. Nothing is. If people would spend more time actually thinking and looking at the quality of something on its own, instead of baselessly crying and moaning about it being an Eva ripoff for using precedents established long before Eva, life as an anime fan would be much better.

As for RahXephon itself, I've only heard the opening theme. :( It'll be a while before I can see it, having such a slow modem after all.

Westlo

12-03-02, 05:42 PM

:LOL: Funny stuff :LOL:

wonders when the captain of the submarine (Theresa hmm shes got an R in her name shes a clone!!) from full metal panic is going to be called a rei clone because ppl call her ruri like over irc and we all know Ruri's a clone of Rei :p

Kizzim

12-03-02, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by Westlo
orignally posted by kizzim

Hahahhaa... Eva is nothing like Gundam, im sorry, just because they both use mecha doesnt make it alike. The mecha work differently have different weapons, and are used differently. Amuro once again is really nothing like Shinji, Amuro doesnt mind fighting, Shinji whines everytime he has to, and Gunbuster, please, gunbuster was done in space, and all i remember from that stupid series was them making some giant like jupiter or black hole and getting sucked in and not comming out for like 80 years at the end.

Atleast if yer going to insult me put a little more thought into it, amature.

I'm continuing this discussion from the fmp request thread

Amuro once again is really nothing like Shinji

I believe Sheex put this best in another thread about the shinji/amuro thing

The fact that the main character is a teenage boy who in the first episode gets into a mecha made by his father while the surrounding city is being destroyed by enemy forces, then is forced into the organization against his will. As the series progresses the main character is put off often as selfish, rude, immature and a 'loser'. Both have little faith in their abilities at the start of the series but eventually become the most important force in the organzation. Both basically commit 'treason' against the organization at once point in the series and both are reprimanded for it by being thrown in a cell. It has nothing to do with the mecha argument, it has everything to do with the fact that Shinji is nothing more than a new Amuro Ray

Oh please if you think Anno did not borrow elements from his earlier series (Nadia and Gunbuster) you are really, really naive or/and stupid. Then again after your threads about how bad kenshin is and fansubs i believe it is the later.

I enjoy listening to you post, just because i get a laugh out of it. You cannot compare just situation to characters sure shinji was forced into NERV, but he never wanted to pilot, never. Amuro accepted his fate and fought, and when i watched the episodes i never considered him a 'loser' but shinji definatly fit that title. Another thing id like to point out, the writer who designed this film did it in a insane asylum, please point out where he had time to watch friggin anime unless they showed it in his padded cell. Words from the writers mouth was that the eva story came from holucinations and visions he had while he was in there. If the story is true its obvious that this cannot be the case, but still my original arguement still holds. Eventually no matter what certain things about series are going to be semi-like, hey, thats life. But Rahxephon has OVERWELMING likeness to evangelion. Not just one part, but 5-9? I mean people can make lists. Gundam is a very large series, and im pretty sure no one based a series off one of one the many main characters in another series.

Why do you keep going back to gunbuster, for gods sake, the series was like 3 hours long if even that, it was NEVER popular.

As for Kenshin, i could care less if 90% of the people out there think is the best series ever, it sucks, it blows, it offers nothing to the samuri type-anime genre out there. I found it bland, uninteresting and stupid. The main character is suppose to be some cold blooded killer and in the series his eyes get really big and he drools over some chick, I didnt know whether to laugh or puke. As for the OVAs, omg... I felt like i was watching a documentry on how boring the japanese culture was 100 years ago. I think by the middle of the 3rd one i was jamming a fork into my hand to make sure i was still alive and not in hell. Why dont you people just start a cult? Then you can walk down the street mindlessly chanting, "I love kenshin, kenshin has blood, kenshin has swords, kenshin is great" and rinse and repeat. All i can get from kenshin fans of why it rocks is because of the 'swordfighting' oyeah, exciting, let me tell you.

Sheex, The Dark Stalker

13-03-02, 12:19 AM

I enjoy listening to you post, just because i get a laugh out of it. You cannot compare just situation to characters sure shinji was forced into NERV, but he never wanted to pilot, never. Amuro accepted his fate and fought, and when i watched the episodes i never considered him a 'loser' but shinji definatly fit that title.

So what you're saying is that Eva can't be considered a ripoff of Mobile Suit Gundam because the likeness isn't 100%. JEEZ, THATS WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG WITH RESPECT TO EVA!!!!!!!! As always, Eva is held to a different standard in the typical Eva fanatic's eyes, as proven here.

Another thing id like to point out, the writer who designed this film did it in a insane asylum, please point out where he had time to watch friggin anime unless they showed it in his padded cell.

Good to see that not only is your knowledge of anime as a whole lacking, but so is your knowledge of Eva.

But Rahxephon has OVERWELMING likeness to evangelion. Not just one part, but 5-9? I mean people can make lists.
I see. And I can name 20 OVERWHELMING likenesses from Gundam to Eva. Lets take this for example.

In Evangelion, a suicidal blond (Ritsuko) attempts to blow up the good guy's 'base' (Nerv HQ), but fails, and is quickly killed.

In Gundam, a suicidal blond (Hamon) attempts to blow up the good guy's 'base' (White Base), but fails and is quickly killed.

Gee, you can't get much closer than that, can you!? Not that it really matters, you see, I can enjoy things without singing out "RRRRRRIIIIIIPPPPPPOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!" every other second.

Why do you keep going back to gunbuster, for gods sake, the series was like 3 hours long if even that, it was NEVER popular.

What does popularity have to do with it? Eva was made by the same company as Gunbuster, meaning that easy access to the show was assured, regardless of how popular it was.

As for Kenshin, i could care less if 90% of the people out there think is the best series ever, it sucks, it blows, it offers nothing to the samuri type-anime genre out there.

So what you're saying is, classifying a ripoff has nothing to do with likeness, but how much you like the show, correct?

Gosh, rabid Eva fans sure do a good job of supporting my argument.

thedarkmarine

13-03-02, 01:08 AM

I just want to list the similarities. Note that I am on the side that Rah rocks.

Ep 1
Airplane launch sequence. Those horizontal sliding gates looks a lot like the ones in the eva launch sequence.
Lots of the camera shot's are the same: this view of the street, the kid's eye.
The kid screaming after that tank blows up, similar to Shinji screaming after seeing Asuska in EoE.
The sign on the door that says "Kamina Maya Ayato" uses the style Eva uses.
Ep 2
Mom is in the MU, sorta like Gendo is in Nerv.
Ep 3
"Don't look for me."
Year = 2015.
RahXephon destroys 1st MU thingie, but pilot suffers lots of pain; loss of that "Rei" girl.
Ep 4
Haruka/Elvy = Ritsuko/Misato = Knows plan/Doesn't know plan.
Those tenical thingies in ship looks like Armisael infecting Rei.
Ep 5
That train thingie that seats 9 looks is similar to one used in Eva.
I feel that Haruka and Elvy are Misato in 2; need lotsa beer, Elvy also uses sex.
"Welcome Home"

Still, RahXephon is not CHEAP enough to be a rippoff. It just uses similar elements to state that it is the same genre as eva, and the actual story is completely different from eva.

Westlo

13-03-02, 01:12 AM

Fans like Kizzim and that other guy saying Ruri's a clone of Rei after watching ten seconds of the nadesico movie are fans EVA could do without.

I enjoy listening to you post, just because i get a laugh out of it

as i get a laugh out of yours, but the difference is your information is wrong

Another thing id like to point out, the writer who designed this film did it in a insane asylum, please point out where he had time to watch friggin anime unless they showed it in his padded cell

Hmm let's see Mobile Suit Gundam was only made 16 years before EVA was released and since Hideki Anno (thats the guy who worked on it) made Nadia and Gunbuster in the early nineties something tells me he might have heard of Mobile Suit Gundam (in a pole by newtype Mobile Suit gundam is the most respected series in the view of the anime creators).

I mean people can make lists

Like what?

It has mecha (eva was the first!!)
It has characters (eva was the first!!)
It has music in it (eva was the first!!)

The example from sheex about Mobile Suit gundam and eva's is more exact than any example you can pull out from rahxephon and eva.

Why do you keep going back to gunbuster, for gods sake, the series was like 3 hours long if even that, it was NEVER popular

Because it was made by the same person....and because you didn't like it, it wasn't popular? I wonder why their making a sequel for it this year must be because it sucked, right Kizzim!

The main character is suppose to be some cold blooded killer

Thats funny, i thought he gave up killing for ten years before the series started, but hey I actually understood what was going on, unlike someone else in this thread.

All i can get from kenshin fans of why it rocks is because of the 'swordfighting' oyeah, exciting, let me tell you

And all i get from eva fans (LIKE YOU) is this is the best series ever, nothing beats it everything else is a copy!!!

You say my arguments are laughable i'm not the one who thinks kenshin is a warlord when hes a wandering swordsman. I'm not the one who made a thread saying fansubs are bad and yet a month later look whos getting them. I could go on but why argue with someone so narrow minded.

Saying Kenshin rocks because of the fighting only is like saying EVA rocks because of the mechas only.

Oh yeah try and answer sheex back this time, or are you going to never come back to this thread like the one you started in the kenshin forum after making comments that were grossly wrong.

Drizzten

13-03-02, 02:06 AM

Drizz's hand, carefully posed over the "Turn A/C On To Max" Switch, hovers steadily...

*cough*

Gettin' warm in here?

I know jack about RahXephon. I've seen Eva. I think Eva kicks ass. If RahXephon has some similarities to Eva, then hot damn, I'd like to see it. It is flatly impossible to create something that is 100% unique these days...therefore, the best creators take their influences and put their own special spin on them. Once you get past glaring similarities, just about everything else is far too subjective to worry about.

If you like it, great. If you don't, wonderful. At least disagree with some grace.

Sheex, The Dark Stalker

13-03-02, 02:39 PM

*my words in italics*

I just want to list the similarities.

Ep 1
Airplane launch sequence. Those horizontal sliding gates looks a lot like the ones in the eva launch sequence.
Sliding gates aren't common?
Lots of the camera shot's are the same: this view of the street, the kid's eye.
Shots of eyes aren't common?
The kid screaming after that tank blows up, similar to Shinji screaming after seeing Asuska in EoE.
People don't scream in stuff other than Eva?
The sign on the door that says "Kamina Maya Ayato" uses the style Eva uses.
What, its in kanji too?
Ep 2
Mom is in the MU, sorta like Gendo is in Nerv.
Gee, I never knew mothers actually worked.
Ep 3
"Don't look for me."
Explain. I have no clue what you're talking about here.
Year = 2015.
Your point being...? Is every show that had the same year as another a ripoff of that show?
RahXephon destroys 1st MU thingie, but pilot suffers lots of pain; loss of that "Rei" girl.
People don't go through pain in shows other than Eva?
Ep 4
Haruka/Elvy = Ritsuko/Misato = Knows plan/Doesn't know plan.
You're just descending into more and more ridiculousness here.
Those tenical thingies in ship looks like Armisael infecting Rei.
No comment, haven't seen it yet
Ep 5
That train thingie that seats 9 looks is similar to one used in Eva.
LoL! Have you ever been on the subway?
I feel that Haruka and Elvy are Misato in 2; need lotsa beer, Elvy also uses sex.
People don't have sex or drink beer outside of Eva?
"Welcome Home"
Again, explain.

[quote]Still, RahXephon is not CHEAP enough to be a rippoff.
THEN DON'T MAKE AN IDIOTIC LIST ABOUT IT!!!!!!!

This is what cracks me up about you guys. You take commonly used things used not only in anime years and years before Eva, but used in every form of entertainment before Eva!!! You want me to post my Eva vs. Gundam list again? Not that it really matters, since I don't go around starting arguments about Eva being a ripoff of Gundam, but the similarities are 10 times more realistic. Of course Eva's too perfect to be a ripoff of anything, right? Because its the most original form of entertainment ever, right?!

thedarkmarine

13-03-02, 03:10 PM

Sheex, The Dark Stalker

13-03-02, 03:54 PM

I just felt like point them out, so that in the future, people won't use those points to say Rah is a rippoff, because I'm saying they borrow those elements but uses a completely different story. Note that those elements are all cosmetic. Nothing of the actual STORY is rippoffed.

Okay, so let me get this straight... Despite the fact that subways have been around for so many years, and are used in one episode prominently in Eva (probably even less in RahXephon) that means RahXephon is borrowing things from Eva? Thats odd, last time I checked, Eva didn't invent the subway, did it?

Eva was the first show to feature a female character drinking beer, correct? So despite the fact that females drinking alcohol is such a ridiculously common thing, that means that it originated in Eva and every form of entertainment that came out after Eva borrowed it from Eva, right?

This cracks me up. I know you rabid Eva fans who can't watch another mecha show without yelling out "ripoff" aren't gonna like this, but EVANGELION IS NOT AN EXTREMELY ORIGINAL SHOW. Spend some time to actually look at the things you people parade as so great. Evangelion wasn't the first show to use symbolism, was it? Eva wasn't the first mecha show, was it? Eva wasn't the first show to feature a hero in a conflict with his mecha, was it? Eva wasn't the first show with a cop-out, out of this world ending, was it? Eva wasn't the first show to feature a boy in conflict with his father, was it? Eva wasn't eh first show to feature a quiet bizarre girl, was it? The truth is, that Eva hardly brought anything new to anime (in fact look at the few original things, like the 'binding' thing, and you'll notice that no shows are using those aspects), it brought together a bunch of different well-established precendents brought up before in anime and for the most part used them very well. That makes Eva a very good show. But it does not make it original, the best, or something that can be ripped off.

Did Eva have an effect on anime? Somewhat. Its certainly arguable that such a good and popular show being made caused new life to flow through various minds in the business, seeing that it still was possible for a small company to produce another hit mecha show. Its fact that the scenes in episode 18 and 20 had an effect on anime, it caused the networks to toughen their standards on censorship, resulting in shows like Bebop getting censored to crazy extents. But what Eva had little to do with is the actual content of these shows, the only thing that can cause this 'ripoff' argument to be brought up in the first place.

If you're gonna look through new shows looking for originality, you're not gonna find it. Nothing is original anymore, even Eva, especially when brought to insane standards like certain fans here have done. The truth is, if you want to talk about ripoffs, every show is a ripoff of the show that actually originated the concept, not a show that used it like Eva. And that show is actually a ripoff of the real life occurence that caused that idea to be used.

Now stop for a moment. Do we really have to go this far? Why can't you people view anime like myself, and instead of complaining and whining excessively about aspects it shares with a million other forms of entertainment, enjoy it for what it is? Why do you get so much gratification by throwing out that 6 letter word so much?

Also, Sheex, please see some Rah before you comment. If you watch it, some scenes just scream eva. I swear. Some things look sooooooooo similar. It's not that they do camera shots of some things; it's how they did it.
Yes, I do need to watch the show. But if those reasons are the best you can do, I don't have to say another word. The standards you use are so loose that Eva can be called a ripoff of some random american sitcom made in the 1950's.

thedarkmarine

13-03-02, 04:21 PM

Ok, I'll state my rebuttles.

Ep 1
Airplane launch sequence. Those horizontal sliding gates looks a lot like the ones in the eva launch sequence.
Sliding gates aren't common?
See how they do it. Looks a LOT like eva.
Lots of the camera shot's are the same: this view of the street, the kid's eye.
Shots of eyes aren't common?
It's the WAY they did it.
The kid screaming after that tank blows up, similar to Shinji screaming after seeing Asuska in EoE.
People don't scream in stuff other than Eva?
It's the WAY they did it.
The sign on the door that says "Kamina Maya Ayato" uses the style Eva uses.
What, its in kanji too?
It's the WAY they did it.
Ep 2
Mom is in the MU, sorta like Gendo is in Nerv.
Gee, I never knew mothers actually worked.
Sorry. I did not say this clearly enough. The kid's mother is like the head of MU, or some high position.
Ep 3
"Don't look for me."
Explain. I have no clue what you're talking about here.
Kid left a note that says: "Don't look for me."
Year = 2015.
Your point being...? Is every show that had the same year as another a ripoff of that show?
Ya, I lose. Bad example.
RahXephon destroys 1st MU thingie, but pilot suffers lots of pain; loss of that "Rei" girl.
People don't go through pain in shows other than Eva?
Also a weak example. It's more in common that it's the first battle. Still a weak example.
Ep 4
Haruka/Elvy = Ritsuko/Misato = Knows plan/Doesn't know plan.
You're just descending into more and more ridiculousness here.
I think it's prominent. Elvy asks what is up with Operation Overlord. Misato asks what the heck is up with an Eva. One's on the inside and on is on the outside. They also appears to be the best of friends.
Those tenical thingies in ship looks like Armisael infecting Rei.
No comment, haven't seen it yet
Ditto
Ep 5
That train thingie that seats 9 looks is similar to one used in Eva.
LoL! Have you ever been on the subway?
It's not really a subway...the angle it's slanted on and stuff...reminds me of that decending cart in Eva.
I feel that Haruka and Elvy are Misato in 2; need lotsa beer, Elvy also uses sex.
People don't have sex or drink beer outside of Eva?
Weak example.
"Welcome Home"
Again, explain.
Watch Rah.

Let me make my position clear. I love RahXephon. I'll quote myself why I made this list:
I just felt like point them out, so that in the future, people won't use those points to say Rah is a rippoff...Note that those elements are all cosmetic.

I understand that you want people to just enjoy the series, which is what I'm doing. I made the list in preparation for defence againts future instances of "Rah is such a Eva clone."

Sheex, The Dark Stalker

13-03-02, 04:31 PM

Defending Rah would be done better, atleast IMHO by proving why the 'Eva ripoff' thing is pure idiocy like I do, instead of listing goofy similarities, which portrays you as another one of the ripoff people. But thats just me :rolleyes:

Kizzim

13-03-02, 09:48 PM

For those who think they know Evangelion and the director...

http://www.nihongoweb.com/Anime/anno.html
http://www.evaotaku.com/omake/anno.html
http://www.cjas.org/~echen/articles/spring97/05_03b.html

I rest my case, you dont know jack, now get off my block.

Kizzim

13-03-02, 10:23 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Westlo
Because it was made by the same person....and because you didn't like it, it wasn't popular? I wonder why their making a sequel for it this year must be because it sucked, right Kizzim!

Not made, he worked on it. He also worked on Gundam Char's Counterattack and a few Gundam episodes, does that mean gundam rocks because of him? Shall i name a few more? Lets see.. Secret of Blue Water, Sailor Moon R, Macross: Do you remember love?

Gunbuster was a parody movie, it was ment to be funny, not taken seriously, some series i like that are like that, such as Nadesico, however, Gunbuster was okay, but definatly not in a list of anime id tell someone was any good.

The main character is suppose to be some cold blooded killer

Okay, once a cold blooded killer, your always a cold blooded killer. His character design is made of some assassin, i did say hes a cold blooded killer in the series, but the idea of some assassin going good and not killing anymore is rather lame if you ask me. Also his personality in the series is nothing how a 'cold blooded killer' would be, even one thats reformed.

And all i get from eva fans (LIKE YOU) is this is the best series ever, nothing beats it everything else is a copy!!!

Evangelion is not my absolute favorite series, but its in the top 3. Usually i stay away from calling series copies because its really hard to be totally original thesedays (however id like to give props to Geneshaft for pretty much doing it :up: ) Some of the new series mix and match, their mecha might be similar, but the story is different, or some series like FMP just give you outragous theme, i mean a mecha pilot protecting a schoolgirl? i thought it was rather funny, but its still a great series. The reason i came down on Rahxephon is because it has SO MANY same qualities as Evangelion, other people have made lists, you read theres, i agree, just the situation and mood of the series is exact.

You say my arguments are laughable i'm not the one who thinks kenshin is a warlord when hes a wandering swordsman. I'm not the one who made a thread saying fansubs are bad and yet a month later look whos getting them. I could go on but why argue with someone so narrow minded.

Warlords dont wander, and i never said he was a warlord.

As for fansubs I defended my reasoning in that thread, I still insist that fansubs are bad for the community, if you want to discuss it more goto that thread, but dont try to trash me in this thread because of another just because you cant defend your own reasoning here.

Saying Kenshin rocks because of the fighting only is like saying EVA rocks because of the mechas only.

Too bad 90% of the kenshin fans think that. Im into Evangelion because it shows humanity at their worst and best in my eyes. I like that fact that the main characters have faults, and that the mecha arnt invincible. This is the same reason why i love other anime like Gasaraki, which has mecha, but its not centered on it.

I stand firm that Kenshin is a worthless series. It offers nothing to humanity, it doesnt teach a lesson, its not funny, its not interesting. Not saying that anime has to do those to be worthwhile, but if you want to catch my attention or make a mark to me, you need to give me atleast one.

Sheex, The Dark Stalker

13-03-02, 11:00 PM

For those who think they know Evangelion and the director...

I rest my case, you dont know jack, now get off my block.

Actually this pulls down your credibility even more. Please show me the quotes in there that mentioned something along this line:

"Another thing id like to point out, the writer who designed this film did it in a insane asylum, please point out where he had time to watch friggin anime unless they showed it in his padded cell"

Looks to me like you pulled out a few random anno articles and posted them in an attempt to look like a 'mondo cool, phat Eva master'. Heck, 2 of them are the same article. Did you even read them?

The reason i came down on Rahxephon is because it has SO MANY same qualities as Evangelion
Except nobody has named a single one that can be tied to Eva.

Care to try again? You make it quite easy for me. :rolleyes:

Kizzim

14-03-02, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by Sheex, The Dark Stalker

Actually this pulls down your credibility even more. Please show me the quotes in there that mentioned something along this line:

"Another thing id like to point out, the writer who designed this film did it in a insane asylum, please point out where he had time to watch friggin anime unless they showed it in his padded cell"

Looks to me like you pulled out a few random anno articles and posted them in an attempt to look like a 'mondo cool, phat Eva master'. Heck, 2 of them are the same article. Did you even read them?

Except nobody has named a single one that can be tied to Eva.

Care to try again? You make it quite easy for me. :rolleyes:

Actually if you read the two that are alike, one is the official article from a anime magazine and the other is exerpts from it with other information. I cannot find the site that mentioned he was in a asylum, but i remember the article said that he got his idea for evangelion when he was in there for a year because of extreme stress or something. As you know Anno is kinda wierd, he would wear monster costumes to work, he was very excentric.

The basis of the links were to show you that evangelion was original, he states word by word he created evangelion TO NOT BE GUNDAM because he hated gundam, that it was too repiticious. I was hoping that you would figure that out on your own i wouldnt have to hold your hand.

No one is claiming to be an evangelion master, im a eva fan, and ive ready quite a few articles about anno just because i loved evangelion.

I dont need to try again, your reaching trying to bash me instead of bring fact into the conversation. Im proving you wrong, prove me wrong instead of trying to make weak attempts to insult me.

Ryoma

14-03-02, 01:44 AM

I never read anything about Anno being in an insane asylum. He was DEPRESSED for 3 years before Eva because he had no direction in life. That's all that is mentioned...

As for Gunbuster / Eva...seeing as how GB is one of my all time favorites, I can't let anymore misinformation go.
First off, Gunbuster was directed by Anno, it wasn't just something Anno worked on.
Second, Gunbuster was not meant as a parody. It was developed as an homage to the 70's giant robot series, but attempting to add some shonen ai (or whichever is the for girls) elements to it. That is not how it progressed though.
Third, how can you say that Eva did not have many of the same elements as Gunbuster? Noriko = Shinji, Jung = Asuka, Trainer = Gendo (right down to the glasses) Come on, it's so obvious that Anno dipped back into the GB well for Eva. It's not worth arguing about.

I never saw any Gundam so I have no idea about it, but the only quote I ever saw from Anno regarding Gundam was that he designed his Eva mecha to be nothing like Gundam because they were all designed for the toy market and Anno didn't want that. The quote you have in that link is not from Anno but rather from someone who was pointing out that Gundam was repeticious.

Me, I've seen some of Rah and I like it. Does it have an Eva feel to it, I guess but I really don't care in the end. The story and characters are completely different and I can either enjoy the show for what it is or sit and compare it to Eva. I choose to do the former and enjoy myself.

Westlo

14-03-02, 02:04 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Westlo
Because it was made by the same person....and because you didn't like it, it wasn't popular? I wonder why their making a sequel for it this year must be because it sucked, right Kizzim!

Not made, he worked on it. He also worked on Gundam Char's Counterattack and a few Gundam episodes, does that mean gundam rocks because of him? Shall i name a few more? Lets see.. Secret of Blue Water, Sailor Moon R, Macross: Do you remember love?

Gunbuster was a parody movie, it was ment to be funny, not taken seriously, some series i like that are like that, such as Nadesico, however, Gunbuster was okay, but definatly not in a list of anime id tell someone was any good.

He directed Nadia Secret of the Bluewater (which i pointed out before you), he directed Gunbuster, he directed Evangelion do you catch my drift......oh and since you can't seem to grasp storylines that easily did you notice eva took the gainax bounce which was first implemented in Gunbuster since you probably only look at superficial things like that.

The main character is suppose to be some cold blooded killer

Okay, once a cold blooded killer, your always a cold blooded killer. His character design is made of some assassin, i did say hes a cold blooded killer in the series

His character design is made to be an assassin, sure.... the creator of kenshin drew the tougest guy he could think of and did the opposite to make kenshin, thats why he looks feminine, he has pink/purple clothing shows how much you know.

but the idea of some assassin going good and not killing anymore is rather lame if you ask me

Did we ask you if it was lame and it's not like it hasn't been done before.

Also his personality in the series is nothing how a 'cold blooded killer' would be, even one thats reformed

If you had managed to watch the rest of samurai X (rurouni kenshin ovas) you would have seen the reason why he gave up killing. But instead you deleted them (during the time you made that fabsubs are bad thread, but dvd rips of licensed anime isn't according to kizzim) also before the series he had been wandering around for ten years peacefully. He also caries a reverse bladed sword and can easily defeat most people, does he need to kill people so hes kewl in kizzims eyes?

i mean a mecha pilot protecting a schoolgirl

If you think thats original my already low opinion of you has somehow gone lower.

Warlords dont wander, and i never said he was a warlord

and i never said hes was a wandering warlord, oh but you did say he was a warlord. Check the thread you made in the kenshin forum, unless someone else called kizzim posted that and said that.....it was you.

and that the mecha aren't invincible

tell that to some rabid eva fans

I stand firm that Kenshin is a worthless series

After watching the first 3 eps, which in this kenshin fans opinion sucked anyway. Kenshin shines from eps 28-66, the first 27 are intro eps that some love/like/hate the last saga sucked.

it doesnt teach a lesson

it teaches more of a lesson than eva does, since than edo revolution actually occured in japan, what happened in eva that really happened? Guess you will have to wait until 2015 to answer that question.

its not funny, its not interesting

all in your opinion, can you state that? stop saying it like it's fact

believe it or not some ppl don't like full metal panic, while me and you do, it called being an individual.

Westlo

14-03-02, 02:11 AM

Originally posted by Ryoma
I never read anything about Anno being in an insane asylum. He was DEPRESSED for 3 years before Eva because he had no direction in life. That's all that is mentioned...

As for Gunbuster / Eva...seeing as how GB is one of my all time favorites, I can't let anymore misinformation go.
First off, Gunbuster was directed by Anno, it wasn't just something Anno worked on.
Second, Gunbuster was not meant as a parody. It was developed as an homage to the 70's giant robot series, but attempting to add some shonen ai (or whichever is the for girls) elements to it. That is not how it progressed though.
Third, how can you say that Eva did not have many of the same elements as Gunbuster? Noriko = Shinji, Jung = Asuka, Trainer = Gendo (right down to the glasses) Come on, it's so obvious that Anno dipped back into the GB well for Eva. It's not worth arguing about.

I never saw any Gundam so I have no idea about it, but the only quote I ever saw from Anno regarding Gundam was that he designed his Eva mecha to be nothing like Gundam because they were all designed for the toy market and Anno didn't want that. The quote you have in that link is not from Anno but rather from someone who was pointing out that Gundam was repeticious.

Me, I've seen some of Rah and I like it. Does it have an Eva feel to it, I guess but I really don't care in the end. The story and characters are completely different and I can either enjoy the show for what it is or sit and compare it to Eva. I choose to do the former and enjoy myself.

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Sheex, The Dark Stalker

14-03-02, 01:25 PM

Actually if you read the two that are alike, one is the official article from a anime magazine and the other is exerpts from it with other information.

Yeah, but they're essentially the same thing :p

I cannot find the site that mentioned he was in a asylum, but i remember the article said that he got his idea for evangelion when he was in there for a year because of extreme stress or something.
Except you can't offer any proof. When you're in an argument, you actually need something to back it up. Come back with actual proof next time before saying downright lies.

The basis of the links were to show you that evangelion was original, he states word by word he created evangelion TO NOT BE GUNDAM because he hated gundam, that it was too repiticious.
So why is Shinji so much like Amuro Ray? I don't get this. He hates Gundam so much, yet used things that Gundam established in the genre. Read my previous posts about the originality of Eva. Its no more original than the typical quality show.

I dont need to try again, your reaching trying to bash me instead of bring fact into the conversation. Im proving you wrong, prove me wrong instead of trying to make weak attempts to insult me.
In other words, you lost. Thanks for playing, good luck again next time.

So I guess this quote here isn't a bash, right? :p

I was hoping that you would figure that out on your own i wouldnt have to hold your hand.

Kizzim

15-03-02, 10:00 AM

As for Gunbuster / Eva...seeing as how GB is one of my all time favorites, I can't let anymore misinformation go.
First off, Gunbuster was directed by Anno, it wasn't just something Anno worked on.
Second, Gunbuster was not meant as a parody. It was developed as an homage to the 70's giant robot series, but attempting to add some shonen ai (or whichever is the for girls) elements to it. That is not how it progressed though.
Third, how can you say that Eva did not have many of the same elements as Gunbuster? Noriko = Shinji, Jung = Asuka, Trainer = Gendo (right down to the glasses) Come on, it's so obvious that Anno dipped back into the GB well for Eva. It's not worth arguing about.

Did i bring the basis that Rahxephon is a eva clone because a character looks like another? Please i was hoping you could give me more reason why you think anno stole gunbuster ideas and implimented them in Evangelion. Just because characters look like now that he stole the idea? Im looking for real information, bahavior, movements, mecha design, weapons, stuff that that really matters, i could care less if gindo and the trainer wore the same purple pants, doing stuff like that is sometimes a artists way of letting you know that he did both of them, like a signature of his work, i wouldnt call this 'Evangelion is totally based on Gunbuster' idea. Anno never had to dip into anything for Evangelion because he wanted the show to bring something original into mecha-style anime. The point of evangelion wasnt because of the kewl mecha, but rather the main characters in the story. If you sit down and friggin read what im trying to tell you, you will notice the same in Rahxephon. Its immidiate that the director is trying to give that evangelion character battle thing going on just wants to put mecha in second tier. Even the way he does it closely resembles Evangelion. The way the mecha function is almost identacle. Where the mecha come from is almost identicle. What more do you want? show me where in gunbuster, Anno stole major ideas for Evangelion? You know what? you cant, you can only scream that Characters have a slight resemblence, just like your reaching for alot of bull**** in your posts.

Says its partly a parody:
http://www.asu.edu/studentprgms/orgs/them/Anime/Reviews/gunbuster.html

These people on Amazon.com think its a parody:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/6304164084/qid=1016155427/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/102-8375775-8432131

And above all, i think its a parody :)

Westlo

15-03-02, 10:24 AM

Noriko = Shinji, Jung = Asuka, Trainer = Gendo (right down to the glasses)

Did i bring the basis that Rahxephon is a eva clone because a character looks like another?

Unless shinji is a girl and has tits i'm pretty sure he's not talking cosmeticly like you are and have been doing for this thread.

Nice to see you answered all the points me, sheex and Ryoma brought up ;) oh yeah go back to the kenshin thread you started or can't you find your way back to that forum

thedarkmarine

15-03-02, 11:36 AM

On a non-debate issue, how many eps total are there? I just got ep 6...I'm sorry to say, I'm starting to like it more than eva. Eva was too slow at times. However, that "Angel" in ep 6...uses one of eva's angel's attack...meh. I still like it. It seems really like Eva at times but just somehow, somehow also gives a feeling or origonality. Damn there are a lot of similarities though.

Ryoma

15-03-02, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by Kizzim
Did i bring the basis that Rahxephon is a eva clone because a character looks like another? Please i was hoping you could give me more reason why you think anno stole gunbuster ideas and implimented them in Evangelion. Just because characters look like now that he stole the idea? Im looking for real information, bahavior, movements, mecha design, weapons, stuff that that really matters, i could care less if gindo and the trainer wore the same purple pants, doing stuff like that is sometimes a artists way of letting you know that he did both of them, like a signature of his work, i wouldnt call this 'Evangelion is totally based on Gunbuster' idea. Anno never had to dip into anything for Evangelion because he wanted the show to bring something original into mecha-style anime. The point of evangelion wasnt because of the kewl mecha, but rather the main characters in the story. If you sit down and friggin read what im trying to tell you, you will notice the same in Rahxephon. Its immidiate that the director is trying to give that evangelion character battle thing going on just wants to put mecha in second tier. Even the way he does it closely resembles Evangelion. The way the mecha function is almost identacle. Where the mecha come from is almost identicle. What more do you want? show me where in gunbuster, Anno stole major ideas for Evangelion? You know what? you cant, you can only scream that Characters have a slight resemblence, just like your reaching for alot of bull**** in your posts.

You just don't get it do you? What are you going to argue about next, the Earth is flat? I am doubting more and more you have even seen Gunbuster because your arguements are falling flat on their face. But here we go again:
Noriko= Shinji.
School age child who has tragically lost a parent at a young age and still deals with that trama. Strives to find a purpose in live and strives to be noticed by others. Is chosen for no apparent reason to pilot a giant mecha that the future of the human race depends on against a mysterious enemy that wants to destroy all human life. Reluctantly pilots only because they don't know any other choice in life. Suffer a complete breakdown, quit the mecha and refuse to pilot, only to return when friends and loved ones are in danger. Who am I talking about?
Asuka = Jung.
School age girl, red hair, who is a certified genius. A master of tactics and battle. A foreigner who is quite proud of their heritage. Intensely competative, going so far as to attempt to upstage everyone around her. Loud and opinionated, she is ruthless in battle as demonstrated by one scene in which she dives into the depths of a superheated enviroment, ignoring the fact her mecha is slowly being crushed she presses forward to complete the mission. Who am I talking about?
Gendo= Trainer
Wears glasses, is obcessed with defeating his enemy, no matter the cost. Is always under control, yet a man of few words. Chooses a pilot for the special mecha that no one agrees with nor can understand. Has an agenda to get the reluctant pilot ready for the coming battle. Is forced to confront said mecha pilot when their confidence and self worth are at an all time low. Tells them they must chose to either fight, or die. A cold person who outwardly projects nothing but indifference toward all, but inside beats the heart of a passionate man who will pull whatever strings needed to accomplish his goals. Who am I talking about?

And why don't you read what you post for links? First off, none of the links are experts, especially at Amazon, but why don't you scroll down in the Amazon post and read the review that says Jung is the prototype Asuka...oops.

Hey, you can call Gunbuster whatever you like...parody...space opera...drama...I don't care. The point is that I didn't laugh at one thing other then the chibi technical discussions in between eps after ep 3. So if you think it's a parody I find your definition of humor to be quite broad... Heck that ending must have had you in stiches, talk about laugh out loud. *sarcasm*

Is Eva a direct copy of Gunbuster...NO...does it borrow elements, absolutely. That being the case, I guess I should complain that Rah is a rip off of Gunbuster then?

BTW, isn't Rah only available via fansubs? Last I read you thought those were killing the industry. Apparently times have changed.

klinky

16-03-02, 05:39 AM

Just saw episode 6 and I counted atleast 5 eva references.Near the end reminded me of the Shadow angel battle 'cept it didn't take as long as in eva. Still I like the series,something about it makes me keep on watching.Probably since the story seems familer and Iam hoping for something equal to eva.I will say that the artwork is better then eva.Some of the scenes are just oustanding in their beauty(check the attachment).I love the ending song and animation,makes me all nostalgic...

~klinky

Westlo

16-03-02, 07:06 AM

26 episodes in this series

And of course Rahxephon has better animation than eva does. It's been 7 or so years and Escaflowne had better animation in the same year anyway. Rahxephon is also worked on by ex sunrise members who did the escaflowne and cowboy bebop movies and Yoko Kanno (Macross Plus, Escaflowne, Cowboy Bebop) does the music.

Also if you haven't seen Gunbuster i highly recommend watching it, i'm trying to aquire it again after having seen it ages ago. And look forward to Gunbuster 2 later this year Ryoma

klinky

16-03-02, 07:16 AM

Hey you can watch Gunbusters(up to episode six...not sure how many there are total) off of Sputnik7.I've yet to see it there since I don't like dubs :D - url is http://www.sputnik7.com/vod/

~klinky

Kizzim

16-03-02, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by Ryoma

You just don't get it do you? What are you going to argue about next, the Earth is flat? I am doubting more and more you have even seen Gunbuster because your arguements are falling flat on their face. But here we go again:
Noriko= Shinji.
School age child who has tragically lost a parent at a young age and still deals with that trama. Strives to find a purpose in live and strives to be noticed by others. Is chosen for no apparent reason to pilot a giant mecha that the future of the human race depends on against a mysterious enemy that wants to destroy all human life. Reluctantly pilots only because they don't know any other choice in life. Suffer a complete breakdown, quit the mecha and refuse to pilot, only to return when friends and loved ones are in danger. Who am I talking about?
Asuka = Jung.
School age girl, red hair, who is a certified genius. A master of tactics and battle. A foreigner who is quite proud of their heritage. Intensely competative, going so far as to attempt to upstage everyone around her. Loud and opinionated, she is ruthless in battle as demonstrated by one scene in which she dives into the depths of a superheated enviroment, ignoring the fact her mecha is slowly being crushed she presses forward to complete the mission. Who am I talking about?
Gendo= Trainer
Wears glasses, is obcessed with defeating his enemy, no matter the cost. Is always under control, yet a man of few words. Chooses a pilot for the special mecha that no one agrees with nor can understand. Has an agenda to get the reluctant pilot ready for the coming battle. Is forced to confront said mecha pilot when their confidence and self worth are at an all time low. Tells them they must chose to either fight, or die. A cold person who outwardly projects nothing but indifference toward all, but inside beats the heart of a passionate man who will pull whatever strings needed to accomplish his goals. Who am I talking about?

And why don't you read what you post for links? First off, none of the links are experts, especially at Amazon, but why don't you scroll down in the Amazon post and read the review that says Jung is the prototype Asuka...oops.

Hey, you can call Gunbuster whatever you like...parody...space opera...drama...I don't care. The point is that I didn't laugh at one thing other then the chibi technical discussions in between eps after ep 3. So if you think it's a parody I find your definition of humor to be quite broad... Heck that ending must have had you in stiches, talk about laugh out loud. *sarcasm*

Is Eva a direct copy of Gunbuster...NO...does it borrow elements, absolutely. That being the case, I guess I should complain that Rah is a rip off of Gunbuster then?

BTW, isn't Rah only available via fansubs? Last I read you thought those were killing the industry. Apparently times have changed.

Your an idiot...

Noriko:

Her father, Admiral Takaya, commanded a starship and as a little girl she dreamed of following in his footsteps. His death only served to strengthen her resolve to one day go into space. She went on to attend the Okinawa High School for Girls where she received training in space robot combat. With advice from her "big sister" Kazumi Amano and Coach Ota she became part of the TOP squadron and defended earth from the aliens.

// Does that sound like Shinji to you?

Trainer:

Coach Ota was a lieutenant on the Lukushiyon until it was destroyed. Ota has pledged to protect Admiral Takaya, but in the end it was Takaya that saved Ota's life by ordering him into an escape ship moments before the final alien attack. Upon returning to Earth, Ota became head coach of RX training at the Okinawa Girls School and singles out Noriko for intensive training. No ordinary instructor, Ota was an integral part of the Gunbuster project and came up with the daring plan to wipe out the aliens by creating a black hole. He kept his feelings for Kazumi and the true nature of his space sickness hidden so as not to weaken her fighting ability which was crucial to the survival of the human race

// Doesnt sound like friggin Gendo to me bro, Gendo had his own
// agenda and it surely wasnt the safety of the Eva pilots.

Jung:

A russian space pilot, very competetive.

// I can see them using a little bit of Jung for Asuka, but definatly
// not everything about her.

Im starting to doubt your knowledge of the series.

Ryoma

16-03-02, 12:04 PM

I fail to see why you make this personal, but whatever...

Yup, every single thing you said about the characters is true...but you failed to address EVEN ONE OF MY POINTS about the similarity between them. NOT ONE. Your post is a complete waste of bandwidth.

Either address the similar issues or go away... I never said the characters were carbon copies, I said Anno used ELEMENTS of them in Eva, not to mention music and some of the plot. Deal with it...

Westlo- I can't wait for GB2...and I am interested to see how they pick up the plot, the ending was sorta final.

Klinky- GB is only 6 eps, and it's never been dubbed...

4 eps into Rah and it has some Eva/GB feel to it, but I'm liking the direction it's going. I hope somebody picks it up over here.

Kizzim

16-03-02, 01:09 PM

Ive watched up to Rahxephon 6, and the similariles are only getting stronger. I still fail to see your similarities in the characters, thats why i refuted your arguement.

klinky

16-03-02, 03:13 PM

"Klinky- GB is only 6 eps, and it's never been dubbed... "

Whoa?!

Okay then I musta got confused there then,could have swarn it was dubbed...maybe I was thinking of the Giant Robo episodes there. my bad then :p

~klinky

Sheex, The Dark Stalker

16-03-02, 08:08 PM

So what you're basically saying Kizzim is that Eva doesn't copy stuff like Gunbuster and Mobile Suit Gundam because they're not exact 100% copies/ripoffs/homages/whatever, yet if RahXephon contains something that has even a sliver of a resemblence to something that probably didn't originate in Eva in the first place, its a ripoff. Thats it, isn't it?

You're the perfect example of why hardcore obsessed Eva fans are driving me further and further away from the show that I enjoyed immensely, but felt repulsed by the insane attitude of so many of the fans. People like you give the Eva fandom a bad name.

Got one more thing to add...

The point of evangelion wasnt because of the kewl mecha, but rather the main characters in the story. If you sit down and friggin read what im trying to tell you, you will notice the same in Rahxephon. Its immidiate that the director is trying to give that evangelion character battle thing going on just wants to put mecha in second tier. Even the way he does it closely resembles Evangelion.

I seem to remember a certain Gundam OVA called War in the Pocket that came out 5+ years before Eva that while having mechas, focused much more on the characters. So if we're talking ripoffs, shouldn't we be saying both ripped of Gundam 0080? :rolleyes:

On the subject of Gunbuster, how would I obtain it? (Legally of course). Is it on VHS, DVD, what? I've been wanting to see this for a while because of all the Eva connections.

klinky

16-03-02, 08:49 PM

hey fools you're all a rip off of your mother and father so there! HA HA !

~klinky

Westlo

16-03-02, 09:45 PM

You're the perfect example of why hardcore obsessed Eva fans are driving me further and further away from the show that I enjoyed immensely, but felt repulsed by the insane attitude of so many of the fans. People like you give the Eva fandom a bad name

Yep that about sums it up for me, every anime has it's hardcore "misled" anime fans but evas are the worst.

Kizzim have you really watched Gunbuster, or did you just look up info on it around the web. The way you answered Ryomas points has me believeing you looked up a webpage, since his (right and valid) points went over your head, and you answered back with something that would come from a character bio page.

Ryoma, Sheex i sometimes wonder why we bother with idiots like kizzim

Ryoma

17-03-02, 09:30 AM

Sheex, Gunbuster is out on VHS from Manga and the DVD is supposed to be released in June or July. Of course being Manga who really knows. BTW, I'm talking USA here...

Westlo- You nailed it right on the head. I was thinking about it and it occured to me. If Eva has a few similar characteristics from another series its not ripping it off, but if Rahxephon has a few similarities its a blatant copy and is exploiting Eva. Very hypocritical.

Thanks for pointing that out and saving me from typing.

Drizzten

17-03-02, 02:29 PM

Kizzim and Westlo...one more personally-directed insult, and you'll both get a warning. That goes for everyone else as well. If you can't discuss it in a mature manner, then go somewhere else.

I'm about ready to close this thread.

artificial_man

18-03-02, 02:31 AM

:eek:

thedarkmarine

18-03-02, 06:19 PM

Ya, look what you started AM...

Anyways

From Animaxis (http://www.Animaxis.com)

•Region: Japan
•Category: Anime
•Date: March 15, 2002

Yutaka Debuchi's first production, "RAHXEPHON" DVD Release

"RAHXEPHON", broadcast on Fuji-TV affiliated stations every Monday at 16:25 from this Jan 21 will be released on DVD on May 31st. This is the first production by Yutaka Debuchi, famous for the mechanical design of "Mobile Police Patlabor" and "Mobile Suit Gundam - Char's Counterattack". The character design is by Akihiro Yamada, the mechanical design by Yoshinori Sayama.

Differing from the robots appearing in past anime, RAHXEPHON boasts a mystical beauty. Check out the official site for more information on this work.

The special bonus of the first press of the first volume of RAHXEPHON is a special five DVD holding box created by Yutaka Debuchi. ANIMAXIS is now taking advanced reservations for this item. The release schedule for Volume 2 on is as follows:

Vol 2: June 28
Vol 3: July 26
Vol 4: Aug 30
Vol 5: Sept 27

Westlo

26-03-02, 09:00 AM

Character Design Akihiro Yamada
Animation Character Hiroki Kanno
( Escaflowne, Cowboy Bebop )
Mechanical Design Michiaki Sato
Yoshinori Sayama
( Gundam: Char's Counterattack, Cowboy Bebop )
Design Works Shingo Takeba
( Gasaraki, Nadesico )
Art Concept Kazutaka Miyatake
( Space Battleship Yamato )
Animation Director Hirotoshi Sano
( Gundam 0083:Stardust Memory)

Quite a few Sunrise titles these people have done

As for RahXephon itself i've watched upto ep 5 now and i'm loving it.

Westlo

29-03-02, 11:20 AM

Finally after eons RahXephon 07 is out

and i stuffed up Yoko Kanno only did the music for the opening theme (much like Record Of Lodoss Wars TV, that theme rocked) the music was done by some other chick and i'll post that info later

Kizzim

31-03-02, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by Ryoma
Sheex, Gunbuster is out on VHS from Manga and the DVD is supposed to be released in June or July. Of course being Manga who really knows. BTW, I'm talking USA here...

Westlo- You nailed it right on the head. I was thinking about it and it occured to me. If Eva has a few similar characteristics from another series its not ripping it off, but if Rahxephon has a few similarities its a blatant copy and is exploiting Eva. Very hypocritical.

Thanks for pointing that out and saving me from typing.

Ohhh yeah similarities

Gunbuster: the teacher wears glasses like the head of Nerv guy.

Rahxephon: The main character has a personality almost exact to shinji, situation is the same, the main character has had 3 or so women shoved into his life that try to control, manipulate and seduce him.

Gunbuster: the mecha were designed by the same guy. Although have no resemblence what so ever.

Rahxephon: Mecha look almost identical, both stolen alien technology that only certain people can control. Both Mecha seem to have a life of their own, sometimes controlling themselves and going beyond their usual programs.

Gunbuster: Can you think of anything else? probably not.

Rahxephon: Everytime they fight a new D-whatever, it seems to be a new design and something new to overcome, just like the Evas fighting the angels.

You cannot ignore these HUGE similiarities, usually series will have one or two little stolen tidbits, but these are huge and very noticable, i didnt bother posting the little things, because someone a few posts before mine did it.

Kizzim

31-03-02, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by Westlo
You're the perfect example of why hardcore obsessed Eva fans are driving me further and further away from the show that I enjoyed immensely, but felt repulsed by the insane attitude of so many of the fans. People like you give the Eva fandom a bad name

I could say the same thing about Kenshin fans or Hellsing fans, or even Full Metal Panic Fans.

Personally people like you sicken me Westlo and its time I started a thread about people like you. This isnt a personal attack, but its a observation about two different kinds of anime people and why they dont get along.

Look for the thread: 'I have anime and no life', in the general forum.

thedarkmarine

31-03-02, 04:05 PM

Kizzim

31-03-02, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by thedarkmarine

Note that the story, the actual substance is COMPLETELY different. These similarities are all cosmetic.

ARE YOU SMOKING CRACK?!?!

Rahxephon: From what we know alien invaders have attacked earth, their purpose unknown so far, they are attacking with humanoid looking mecha. The only hope is a young boy piloting mecha created using alien technology. The boy must overcome his fears, solve a mystery, and accept life and the difficulties which lie withen it.

Evangelion: Aliens attack, humans using alien technology create mecha to battle them. The only hope is a young boy and a few other pilots using mecha created using alien technology. The boy must overcome his fears, solve a mystery, and accept life and the diffuclties which lie withen it.

Okay, and how do you not see the major likeness?

These are MAJOR plot points, just like the points i made earlier, those are not mearly cosmetic, they seriously effect the series. I cant beleive you listened to these peoples drivel and changed yer earlier opinion. oh well.

thedarkmarine

01-04-02, 12:04 AM

Is eva about mecha fights?
It's a PLOT DEVICE.

So they use a same plot device. Big deal. Frankly, if the mecha fights kickass in both, but we still know ziltch about what Rah is really going after.

thedarkmarine

01-04-02, 01:37 AM

Um, ya, I just realized you said I changed my opinions. Note that I was always on their side. Why I stated the similarities, I wanted to point out their cosmetic qualities, no substance.

I hate this: disrespect or animosity between fellow members from a simple difference of opinions. Note Kizzim, I do not dislike you or anything like that. I respect you, especially because you defend your beliefs SOLID, and is willing to change and not be stubborn (fansubs).

Kizzim

01-04-02, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by thedarkmarine
Um, ya, I just realized you said I changed my opinions. Note that I was always on their side. Why I stated the similarities, I wanted to point out their cosmetic qualities, no substance.

I hate this: disrespect or animosity between fellow members from a simple difference of opinions. Note Kizzim, I do not dislike you or anything like that. I respect you, especially because you defend your beliefs SOLID, and is willing to change and not be stubborn (fansubs).

Its not like i hate you or anything, its just im getting frustrated in trying to explain my reasoning to others. There seems to be just about as much mecha combat with Rahxephon as Evangelion, and they both seem to have alot of the same plot ideas. And its not like i hate RahXephon either, if anything the Eva similiarities make it worth watching, I have up to episode 7. At first i was hating it because i found the main character downright sickining in that he was even more of a coward than shinji, but then he got better. And the supporting cast is allright to, so i think ill stick around and found out whats gonna happen next.

Westlo

01-04-02, 11:18 AM

You clearly don't get it or never will

And yes the aliens attack earth and theirs only one person who can save it in an alien/super mecha is really original for like the 70's :P

As for your thread well, it has so many hypocrital and laughable statements in it.

I want your opinions, not ones of a site and yet in this very thread you posted a amazon thingy on gunbuster with a whole heap of opinions that weren't yours.

Trust me I'm not taking it as a personal attack, i find it quite funny but enough of that thread in this thread.

At first i was hating it because i found the main character downright sickining in that he was even more of a coward than shinji,

How is he more cowardly than Shinji, i don't recall a I mustn't run away scene in the first episode and he run away from a complete stranger not his father (in eva) in the 3rd episode

Now let me try and go over what ryoma said but i'll make it more simplier for you.

Gendo and Trainer issue

Wears glasses Heck even you agree with that point

is obcessed with defeating his enemy, no matter the cost Well the trainer is are you saying Gendo isn't?

Is always under control, yet a man of few words. Sounds like Gendo as well

Chooses a pilot for the special mecha that no one agrees with nor can understand. Why did Gendo choose Shinji, Why did the trainer choose Noriko? These aren't explained at the start are their choices make us wonder.

Has an agenda to get the reluctant pilot ready for the coming battle You agree that Gendo had an agenda, nah he just decided to do 3rd impact for the fun of it

Is forced to confront said mecha pilot when their confidence and self worth are at an all time low. Tells them they must chose to either fight, or die You disagree?

A cold person who outwardly projects nothing but indifference toward all, but inside beats the heart of a passionate man who will pull whatever strings needed to accomplish his goals. Sounds like Gendo again

These characters are extremely similar and you would be a fool to disagree, no ones saying that EVA is a complete ripoff of Gunbuster and no one is denying that rahxephon borrows some elements from EVA and other animes (Every anime borrows of something, every median does). You were the one who came in here complaining that RAHXephon was an out and out copy of NGE.

Gunbuster: the mecha were designed by the same guy. Although have no resemblence what so ever.

If you think were talking about the mecha you have something wrong with you, the characters are what drive an anime (don't you agree?) and Gunbuster has protoype characters for NGE.

Ilex201

01-04-02, 12:17 PM

Hello everyone,
this is my first post on this board, so i'll try to give this thread a new direction.:D

Someone here compared Reika with Rei. (no, i don't want to go into the old "it's an EVA-Clone discussion!)
While Rei is not a human, she exists physically in the world.
But with Reika i am not so sure.

1. She appears and disappears at will in Ep. 1, i.e. when Haruka rescues Ayato.

2. In Ep. 2 when Ayato talks to his friends in school:

Ayato: "I met Reika and we......"

Asahina: "I don't know what you are talking about?" ( She obviously doesn't know any Reika.) And then Reika is suddenly there.

Reika:"Good Morning" Asahina stares at her with a blank expression for a few seconds, then..

Asahina:" What's the matter, Reika? It,s unusual...." It's the same effect as when Ayato sees her the first time.

3. After the school Ayato and Reika talk to each other near the pool. Reika leaves no mirror image in the water!

4. Ayatos phonecall to Reika. When his mother redials the number it says that the number is not in service.

All this is evidence that Reika isn't "real".
So what do you think about this, or even better have you noticed similar things in the later episodes.

thedarkmarine

01-04-02, 12:22 PM

Welcome to the boards. Have fun, and make friends.

Now that you said it, she might be Ayato's imaginary friend. :D
More seriously put, his mental support.

Westlo

01-04-02, 12:25 PM

Welcome to the boards and enjoy your stay

Nice to see some actual discussion on RahXephon itself now

Well I would tend to agree with you and i haven't really noticed anything else about Reika in the later eps since shes been in it so sparingly. She seems to motivate Ayato to win his battles, she could be a figment of Ayatos mind, who knows?

But finding out is going to be fun :D

Ryoma

01-04-02, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by Kizzim

Ohhh yeah similarities

Gunbuster: the teacher wears glasses like the head of Nerv guy.

Rahxephon: The main character has a personality almost exact to shinji, situation is the same, the main character has had 3 or so women shoved into his life that try to control, manipulate and seduce him.

Gunbuster: the mecha were designed by the same guy. Although have no resemblence what so ever.

Rahxephon: Mecha look almost identical, both stolen alien technology that only certain people can control. Both Mecha seem to have a life of their own, sometimes controlling themselves and going beyond their usual programs.

Gunbuster: Can you think of anything else? probably not.

Rahxephon: Everytime they fight a new D-whatever, it seems to be a new design and something new to overcome, just like the Evas fighting the angels.

You cannot ignore these HUGE similiarities, usually series will have one or two little stolen tidbits, but these are huge and very noticable, i didnt bother posting the little things, because someone a few posts before mine did it.

First off let me say I am sorry to yet again get this thread off of discussing the actual anime RahXephon, and back to the Gunbuster vs Eva thing. Personally I thought it was dead but somebody had to pull it back.

Kizzim, still awaiting for you to address either address the MAIN similarities between Eva and Gunbuster:
Noriko = Shinji
Jung = Asuka
Strange, powerful unknown alien force is attacking Earth for unknown reasons, causing Earth forces to develop giant mecha to defend themselves = strange, powerful unknown alien force is attacking Earth for unknown reason, causing Earth forces to develop giant mecha to defend themselves...

I never said the mecha in GB and Eva were even REMOTELY the same...so what's your point?

As for RahXephon's enemies having new designs and requiring something new to overcome...I suggest you watch just about any mecha anime between the years 1970 and 2002. Except for any Gundam...those plots differ then the standard giant mecha. Pick one...Getter Robo, Gaiking, Danguard Ace, Dancougar, Grendizer, Gaogaigar, Jeeg, Raideen, Z Mind, Eva, Big O...ect. It's called "monster of the week," and it's a standard plot device that has been in use forever. "Heroic robot fights against a new, more powerful enemy...hero seems to be losing...heroic robot either a. gains new more powerful weapons or b. finds some unknown ability to defeat the enemy."

I can't see why you can't let this issue die. You continually dredge it back up, each time with weaker and weaker arguements. I've seen Gunbuster, I've seen Eva. I see the similarities. I know people who have seen both, and they too see it. No one is bashing Gunbuster or Eva over it, so what is the problem? Please stop chasing windmills and let it go...

Kizzim

01-04-02, 02:43 PM

Okay, i get what yer saying now, that RahXephon has just brough absolutely nothing new or exciting to the Anime World. Ill shut up now, thanks for clearing that up.

mtyoo

01-04-02, 08:54 PM

All this is evidence that Reika isn't "real".

Yes, pretty mysterious neh? :) Reika seems pretty much connected to the rahxephon unit, so I could suppose that she's some sort of "snazzy" interface for rahxephon to allow ayato to control the unit, like an ai. Or maybe she's a personification of rahxephon. Well, we can only wait for the new episodes to find out more about her.

This series has a significantly higher production quality than most other recent anime; it'd be interesting to know what kind of budget they are working with for rah. God, I love eye-candy.

Westlo

02-04-02, 10:26 AM

Acts all rightoues and hardcore since Kizzim has typecasted me as being so, try to imagine bad lip snyching to this

Foolish Kizzim, your arguments make me laugh

AHAHAHAHAHA

You say RahXephon bring nothing new, you peon i laugh again

AHAHAHAHAHA

I can say the same about NGE after 7 eps infidel

AHHAHAHAHAA

I crush your puny arguments you try hard l33t

AHAHAHAHAHAH

gets sick of playing the elistist, hardcore no life person Kiziim has typecasted as

Though someone might find it hard to believe i don't know the answer to this, but I do know it's made by former employees of Sunrise, who worked on series such as Escaflowne, Cowboy Bebop and various Gundam series so it's not hard to see they would have some backers with money.

How did I find out this stuff, the fansubber release a txt file with info on the series and it takes 20 secs to read, but some one might believe I scour the net 24/7 cuz I have no life :p

Fatal Outlaw

02-04-02, 07:43 PM

looking through the arguments in this thread made me not want to watch rahxephon for some reason. all i keep hearing is this and that etc etc.

bottomline here is that kizzim doesnt know anything. take the toonami/adult swim line up thread for example, he says something and tries to prove it by posting his source, while his source proved him wrong, what an idiot.

Kizzim

02-04-02, 07:49 PM

I cant help that you cannot read plain english Fatal Outlaw. Id like to point out that atleast the people i argue with in this thread have SOME intellegence, rather than your ZERO intellegence.

hGh

02-04-02, 08:08 PM

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ! :splat:

You ppl need to chill !

start of slightly offtopic rant

I removed the rant... as it seemed too offtopic :p

end of slightly offtopic rant

Sheex, The Dark Stalker

02-04-02, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by Kizzim

ARE YOU SMOKING CRACK?!?!

Rahxephon: From what we know alien invaders have attacked earth, their purpose unknown so far, they are attacking with humanoid looking mecha. The only hope is a young boy piloting mecha created using alien technology. The boy must overcome his fears, solve a mystery, and accept life and the difficulties which lie withen it.

DO YOU HAVE A BRAIN!? HAVE YOU EVEN SEEN EVA?!?

Evangelion: Aliens(The Angels are never presented as aliens. They were on Earth the whole time except for the Pheonix one) attack, humans using alien technology(Except its not Alien technology in Eva!!!!!) create mecha to battle them. The only hope is a young boy and a few other pilots using mecha created using alien technology(See previous. The boy must overcome his fears(Shinji never overcomes his fears), solve a mystery, and accept life and the diffuclties which lie withen it.(Which he never does, even in the last 2 episodes)

Okay, i get what yer saying now, that RahXephon has just brough absolutely nothing new or exciting to the Anime World. Ill shut up now, thanks for clearing that up.
And neither did Evangelion. Too bad people, including you, are too lazy to notice.

Fatal Outlaw

02-04-02, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by Kizzim
I cant help that you cannot read plain english Fatal Outlaw. Id like to point out that atleast the people i argue with in this thread have SOME intellegence, rather than your ZERO intellegence.

you are f'king stupid. im talking about a completly different thing while youre talking about another thing. you are such an idiot you probably came out of your mom's ass.

hGh

02-04-02, 08:41 PM

jeesus... *showers evrybody with cold water and gives out some sweet candy* :kawaii:

And lets agree that nobody pulled anybody out of any ass... mmkey :D

Fatal Outlaw

02-04-02, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by hGh
And lets agree that nobody pulled anybody out of any ass... mmkey :D
ok, but i just feel so sorry for kizzim's dad...for wasting his sperm on his puny little ----------- of a son. (:heh: hopefully that doesnt get me banned)

<this next question does not apply to kizzim>
ok, what is rahxephon about (please give a summary like something youd see in the back of a dvd-box)? im deciding if i should see this first and FMP second...might as well ask, which is better in your opinion, rahxephon, or Full metal panic?

Torkm

02-04-02, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by Fatal Outlaw

ok, but i just feel so sorry for kizzim's dad...for wasting his sperm on his puny little ----------- of a son. (:heh: hopefully that doesnt get me banned)

:mad: Excuse me!?

I guess that you DID NOT read the forum rules properly.

http://animeboards.com/rules.php

° NO insulting or personal attacks on other members - do not flame each other!

If you do this again, you will be offically warned.

Fatal Outlaw and Sheex - This applies to you both too.

thedarkmarine

02-04-02, 11:52 PM

Anyways, I found FMP more fun, but I'm still in love with Rah.

I'll compare it this way: FMP is more like Nadesico, and Rah is like a happier Eva.

Fatal Outlaw

03-04-02, 12:09 AM

Originally posted by Torkm

:mad: Excuse me!?

I guess that you DID NOT read the forum rules properly.

http://animeboards.com/rules.php

° NO insulting or personal attacks on other members - do not flame each other!

If you do this again, you will be offically warned.

Fatal Outlaw and Sheex - This applies to you both too.

:lol: its funny how mods just pop up when you do someting wrong

anyway, how about violence? is it like eva?

Drizzten

03-04-02, 02:27 AM

I'm getting sick of reading these whiny, conceited, childishly sarcastic, and insulting "arguements." I've closed the FMP thread. I have even more reasons to close this one.

However, I'm going to leave it open as an experiment. The rules of this experiment are simple.

The next off-topic and vaguely insulting post gets a warning. Two off-topic posts in a row get the thread closed and a warning for both posters. If I have to close the thread, I will start being an extreme hard-ass on all the other threads in this forum.
You don't want that.
Says Fatal Outlaw:
[Kizzim] says something and tries to prove it by posting his source, while his source proved him wrong, what an idiot.
...
you are f'king stupid. im talking about a completly different thing while youre talking about another thing. you are such an idiot you probably came out of your mom's ass.
...
ok, but i just feel so sorry for kizzim's dad...for wasting his sperm on his puny little ----------- of a son.
[Fatal Outlaw, you get a warning. Your behavior is disgusting.]

I will become (even more?) pedantic and annoying-as-hell if you people cannot discuss anime CALMLY and REASONABLY.

Westlo

03-04-02, 02:31 AM

RahXephon or Full Metal Panic hmmmm

These comments are said after viewing the first 7 episodes of RahXephon and the first 9 of Full Metal Panic and 9 as well of Nadesico

I like the animation in RahXephon better, I like the music in it better, the characters are better and the mecha fighting scenes are much more wow inducing than Full Metal Panic's.

Full Metal Panics animation is also top notch I just prefer RahXephons style. The music style of Full Metal Panic is something out of the A team hehe though the opening and ending songs are excellent (as well as the trailer)

Comedy Full Metal Panic is much better than RahXephon (Though its nowhere near Nadesico), I would compare RahXephon comedy to say NGE comedy.

you get fansubs via tapes right Fatal Outlaw?

I would suggest getting the first tapes of both series and then make a choice after that, but Full Metal panic is much more easier to get into than Rahxephon. Rah shines around eps 3-4 and onwards

Westlo

03-04-02, 12:28 PM

Well Episode 8 of RahXephon is out^^ and i thought I'll post something I saw on a site

Hailed Anime / Games Musical Composer Yoko Kanno has officially been announced to compose some musical elements of BONES forthcoming Rahxephon TV anime. Kanno's name and talent is added to a list of others that represent one of the most all-star lineups attached to a TV anime project in recent years. Presently Kanno is confirmed to compose the music to seiyuu Maaya Sakamoto's OP for Rahxephon entitled "Hemisphere".

Based on the manga by Takeaki Momose and Yutaka Izubuchi (mecha-designer for GASARAKI, AURA BATTLER DUNBINE, PATLABOR, GUNDAM: CHAR´S COUNTERATTACK etc.), Rahxephon, a Scifi TV anime series to begin airing on Fuji TV. The show's staff will be headed by premium talents as well including Director / Rahxephon Designer Yutaka Izubuchi (Mechanical Designs: Patlabor OVA), Chara Designer Akihiro Yamada (Illustrator: Lodoss War), and Mecha Designer Michiaki Sato (Producer: Earth Girl Arjuna). The plot occurs on Earth in Japan where in the year 2012 an "intruder" appears in Tokyo's sky called the "MU". An autonomous region called " TOKYO JUPITER " is formed in response to the threat and the viewers are flashed forward to the present: 2027. Tokyo Jupiter consists of a dome type, self contained city 150km in diameter centered from Tokyo Haneda airport and extending out over open sea. A high school student must meet his challenge in this world threatened by unknowns. Broadcast is set for Mondays from January 21st at 4: 25 on Fuji TV. Seiyuu include Maaya Sakamoto (Escaflowne).

Also TDM how accurate did you think my descriptiosn for RahXephon compared to FMP were?

thedarkmarine

03-04-02, 12:51 PM

Yes, comedy wise, Rah is very much like Eva. Same with fanservice. It's not as depressing but just as wierd.

About FMP, I was always dissappointed by the eps 1-6 cause they were too short. I always wanted more. 7 and 8 were the real cookie. Unfortunatly, I haven't been able to get any more. :(

Each ep of Rah is very satisfying though.

Kizzim

05-04-02, 01:37 PM

omg, the first 4 episodes of RahXephon were horrible. It didnt even start getting semi-decent until around 5 or 6.

klinky

05-04-02, 07:02 PM

Rah is winning out over FMP with me right now. Iam about to fall asleep in FMP now. When it first started I thought Rah was totally lame and all. Now, FMP is going on some sort of generic plot tangeant and it's annoying. Rah seems a little fresh and different and has those damn Eva tie ins. Haruka enjoys drinking....doesn't that sound like someone we know(points at obvious avatar).

~klinky

thedarkmarine

05-04-02, 07:23 PM

Different strokes for different folks.

Westlo

07-04-02, 07:41 PM

Something that could indicate what may happen in future RahXephon episodes is the time slot change.

It's moved to 1:45am Tuesday (and then chobits is on afterwards lucky japs!) in japan now so future episodes may be more violent and no kizzim it didn't get moved because ppl disliked it in fact in a recent survey for popular anime in Febuary RahXephon came 9th while Full Metal Panic came 11th and this survey was dominated by animes that started showing in october (and hence were nearly finished).

So me, Klinky and Snake Eyes prefers Rah over FMP while Kizzim prefers FMP and TDM can't choose, wait yes he can EXCEL SAGA!!

EvaRobby

10-04-02, 06:35 AM

I haven't exactly read all of the earlier posts, or seen the anime (yet), though you people saying it's like Eva only makes me want to see it more :heh:
I was directed here by Westlo as well, but don't go making any assumptions from that

*BEGIN DECENT CONTENT*

Anyway, I think you people should see the whole series before you judge it either as a rip-off or not, now if the series at the end suddenly has 2 eps of nothing but mind rambles (which I actually happen to like :heh: ) to end the series, then I'm pretty sure I'll think of it as a clone.
Though many of you have noticed lots of similarities, and others have noted differences, the part of Evangelion that really tends to make it distinguished and loved is the last part of the series (though admittedly the last 2 episodes aren't too popular -_-), so I think you should at least wait until you've seen it all before condemning it or building a shrine or something...
Anyway, I doubt that even this anime would be liked as much by me as Eva, which I worship, for a certain reason, that NO other anime can do for me, no matter how good it is...

*END DECENT CONTENT*

ohwell, cheerio... oh and BTW, for all you people who hate or dis Shinji, "you suck" ^_^

Westlo

10-04-02, 08:30 AM

Directed at Evarobby only

You didn't have to post i just said to look at the pathetic examples an individual has been using to say something is a clone of another, this better not flair up again because it will be my fault.........

Though you did make some vaild points such as actually watching the whole series before you judge it as a rip off or not

Anywayz shinji does suck and you shouldn't go into most annoying anime ppl thread because lots of ppl apparantly dislike shinji

end

RahXephon 09 has been released and episode 08 was a corker

Spoilers For Ep 8

Got to see RahXephon use quite abit of power and it seems Haruka and Ayatos relationship is improving alot. Also seems to be a love triangel between Megumi and her friend and that guy I can't recall his name atm :heh:

The preview for episode 9 looked interesting I was sold on Reika being something Ayato created/ though up yet you see her talking to Quon-san. Are Reika and Quon-san connected and in what way?

Also that reporter is lurking in the background and you can tell he knows alot more than you would have first thought

Also who was the person haruka couldn't forget and who the gloves were for in the first place

And talkabout a fanservice bombshell how big are they in the chick on the next ep preview second lietuant mcmahon or something like that

Heh this is probably the longest post in this thread that is actually about whats happening in rahxephon

Westlo

10-04-02, 09:39 AM

just idle speculation

Does anyone else think that Haruka knowed and had a crush on Ayato before the MU war.

Ayato is now 17, he's suppose to be 29 which is the same age as Haruka

In the the national elementry student picture contest in the 2009 Ayato was in the 5th grade

It would explain why Haruka is so taken with him and why she always acts like a giddy schoolgirl around him

Megumi said that Haruka liked a boy but was never able to give him a present that she still keeps in her desk

Haruka gives Ayato gloves to wear since it's so cold

At the end of the episode Megumi sees Ayato giving back the gloves to Haruka and megumi is really surprised making a half comment about the gloves

Just idle speculation and i could be way of the mark

VPAM

10-04-02, 11:43 AM

hehe westlo, how many boards did you post this on?

Westlo

10-04-02, 11:55 AM

Just this one and the madman board I really want some other ppls views on this

I can't be sure of getting a reply on this board it will most likely erupt into a flame war

and you are <insert name> from madman boards?

Ilex201

10-04-02, 03:43 PM

Don't worry about possible flame wars, at least don't worry about me. ;)
I had nearly the same thoughts on Haruka and Ayato.

possible spoilers for Ep 09

Ayato says something about that his memory was altered and he couldn't remember things before the MU-War. But in the end of ep9 he starts humming this song and Haruka obviously knows it. So it seems his memory is coming back.

What is really interesting is the relationship betweenAyato ,Quon and Reika. Ayato and Quon both are Orins, whatever that means.
:D
In Ayatos case it's (probably) that he's able to pilot Rahxephon, in Quons case i really don't know, but she is able to hear things out of the music.
And Reika is obviously no imagination of Ayato, but... well i really don't know. :D

Another interesting thing is Operation Overlord in Ep1 was planned only to get Ayato and that Haruka knew exactly what Rahxephon was when she first saw it. And now in Ep8 the TERRA - Boss, the guy with the eyepatch, comments on the red mark that Ayato has on his body: "I may have made him feel uncomfortable with that symbol." And Ayato told Megumi that he had this mark since he was born.To me that seems to mean he marked him as a Orin, especially because Quon has a similiar mark.

Any thoughts on this?

Westlo

12-04-02, 02:26 AM

Just finished watching episode 9 (curse my damn modem!!)

as said before spoilers for ep 9

Yeah I'm pretty sure I'm right on the haruka and ayato thing. The way Haruka wouldn't give up in her search for Ayato and how she reacted when Ayato just said ah Haruka san because for him it had been 5 minutes not days. And as you said the song as well

And yeah the relationships are really interesting, Quon and Ayato, Ayato and Reika, Ayato and Haruka and now a new one between that inspector guy (he's up to something but what) and that chick who was in the dolem (I Reckon she will die during this series)

Reika seems to be a goddess or something, the inspector guy reffered to her as the loyal goddess or something like that

And hmm yeah their both orins and both have marks, are the marks exact opposites of each other? I would check but I leant out my first two cds of rahxephon to a friend.

Does this mean Quon could pilot RahXephon if she needed/wanted to since Reika appeared to her in the flesh.

Excellent series so far with many subplots going on I can't wait to see how this ends too bad the next episode is a recap ep but maybe they can do it real good somehow.....

klinky

16-04-02, 09:15 AM

Ep8 Haruka gets a promotion and they have to have a party.....
<----Another purple haired chick got a promotion and her friends were over for a party...

Ep9 Ayato goes missing in sorta a soul-searching experience, Haruka didn't give up on him even though people were calling off the search, when he returned she held him in her arms and started crying..
<----another purple haired chick did this also when a certain wimpy got consumed in a large bio/mecha.

hmmm yes.....yes....

Iam laffing out loud when they do stuff like that.... Good stuff...

Still RahXephon is much better at the moment then filler-rama FMP :mad: - grrrrrrr.

~klinky

Ilex201

16-04-02, 09:36 AM

In Ep. 8 it was a christmas party if i remember correct. And it's not so that "the other series" invented the tradition of celebrating a promotion. :D

There are some obvious jokes on NGE in RahXephon.
Look at this here:

Snake Eyes

16-04-02, 09:47 AM

People who are out to make every other anime into an Eva clone will twist little things to make it so. Eva fanboys will even go so far as to say Eva influenced animes that came out before it did, that is how powerful it is. The fact that there are people in Rah Xephon is enough to make it a clone of Eva, isn't it? Eva was not all that great. It was full of freshman psych garbage and crappy characters. It was not terribly original either. Alas, I have stopped worrying about it. I am going to enjoy Rah Xephon for what it is, a show which is easily better than Eva was at this same point (animation wise and story wise), and is amazingly enjoyable. Will it hold up? Who knows, things could easily get worse. Somehow I doubt that will happen.

Westlo

16-04-02, 10:57 AM

Ayato goes missing in sorta a soul-searching experience

Goes missing? I thought he and Quon were looking for Reika Mishima but thats me and I don't call wandering for 5 minutes in the tunnels a soul searching experience (remember what was days to everyone else was minutes to Ayato and Quon)

Ep9 Ayato goes missing in sorta a soul-searching experience, Haruka didn't give up on him even though people were calling off the search, when he returned she held him in her arms and started crying..
<----another purple haired chick did this also when a certain wimpy got consumed in a large bio/mecha.

Well misato didn't love Shinji while they were in school and then have something take over Tokyo which resulted in one of them losing his memories and ageing way slower than the other. So I think it was harder on Haruka than Misato and the idea of someone missing and being found later by a desperate searcher wasn't invented by Eva....

Also I just got NGE DVD volumes 1 and 2 today and looking at it misato's hair is blue not purple.......and Haruka-san has black hair.......

As for Haruka being a drunk ala Misato (this was another eva-rah ripoff thingy mentioned earlier) after seeing the later eps it's obvious why she got drunk and it was the only time in the series she did get drunk.
When the guy you loved many years ago not only doesn't remember you, yet tells you to not touch him as he thinks she betrayed him earlier. As you can see she is clearly shocked and got depressed and so drank with her friend, not because she's a drunk like Misato and no drinking because your depressed wasn't invented by eva......

I agree with Snake Eyes, RahXephon is much better at this point than NGE. Comparing eps 1-9 of both series RahXephon is so much better, the animation, music, character, mecha fights, sub plots

klinky

17-04-02, 01:02 AM

I CAN'T BELIEVE I HAVE TO GO SO FART AS TO PROVE THAT SHE HAS PURPLE HAIR BY POSTING PICTURES!

HERE YOU CAN SEE. IT IS PURPLE P-U-R-P-L-E!
http://coolantx.hn.org/images/fake/haruka.jpg

That picture is from the series and not doctered!

But really Misato's hair does change in color, but overwhelmingly it is purple.... You want blue look at REi..
http://coolantx.hn.org/images/fake/misato-only.jpg

It does seem that Haruka has a more grey...I'd say ash color.... It's leaning towards purple.. .Okay maybe Iam just changing it because of my misato obession....

About the soul-searching experience and all. Shinji got lost in the Eva and had para-normal experiences.... So did Ayato...flying over tokyo Jupiter isn't strange? Then they both come back by being somewhat ejected out of what ever thing they wuz in. Then they have da ladies hold 'em in der arms and cry...... Yeah... okay maybe Haruka has more of a reason then Misato... You can get attached to someone within a few months... Maybe Ayato was a hotdog vendor that Haruka lusted over in RegularLand then she missed in when he went over to tokyo jupiter...Maybe they never met each other she just had a crush on him.. OH HA HA.. okay and that's not true most likely because her sister talked about a boyfriend earlier..so maybe there is reason...anyways Iam blathering...

...and I prefer the eva still over rahxephon.. but rahXephon is not a bad series and is one of the best I've seen in awhile ,even if lines of the script are ripped right from eva...

~klinky

Ilex201

17-04-02, 02:28 AM

- irony mode on -
Damn! Can anybody help me? Who is Haruka and who is Misato on those pics above. I just can't tell them apart. They are so similar!

- irony mode off -

Westlo

17-04-02, 02:53 AM

If anything her hair is inbetween purple and dark blue but i'm going with dark blue, its definately not purple dominated

It does seem that Haruka has a more grey...I'd say ash color.... It's leaning towards purple.. .Okay maybe Iam just changing it because of my misato obession....

Yep i would guess so but haruka would kick Misato's ass in a fight as demonstrated in ep 1 of rahxephon.....hm misato and haruka fighting sees klinky drooling

...and I prefer the eva still over rahxephon.. but rahXephon is not a bad series and is one of the best I've seen in awhile ,even if lines of the script are ripped right from eva...

lines such as?

Anyway I consider RahXephon the best anime since Cowboy Bebop which was the best since Vision Of Escaflowne which was the best since Neon Genesis Evangelion

Can we leave the RahXephon is a rip off of Neon Genesis which is A rip off of Gunbuster and mobile suit gundam discussions out of this thread from now on and just focus on rahxephon i think we had a chain of 4-5 posts without mentioning eva that must of hurt some people......

klinky

17-04-02, 03:42 AM

The attachment is from RahXephon 05 & Eva 03.

Very similar context.. The wording is exactly the same too ;)

Anyways people Iam not saying RahXephon is bad. It just heavily borrows from Eva and has some pretty sound and music. Which is NOT bad. It does not follow Eva and is not exactly like Eva. I like both of them, but Eva will always have a special place in my heart.

You guys seem to think that Rah is a virgin series , full of new ideas and doesn't borrow from series past. The story is similar to Eva and I think they're trying to convey some of the same things Eva was.

Now refute all you want, but for every episode of RahXephon I seem to be able to find some sort of Eva reference in there. It's not that Iam a die-hard Eva fan, it's that the damn show reminds me of Eva. I've seen alot of anime, none of them have reminded me of Eva so much. Nadesico & Dual which are suppose to parody Eva didn't remind as much as this one does.

The creators of the series may not have meant it to be like that, but alas that is how it turned out. Anyways Iam trying not be argumentive here or anything. It's just the way I see it. RahXephon is not a new concept, but it's good and entertaining.

Different people like different things. I see alot of things going on where if someone attacks or questions a popular anime, Eva,Noir,Rahxephon,Full Metal Panic. Immediately people jump on him and flame him to bits or call him a idiot for not loving it to pieces....

~klinky

Westlo

17-04-02, 11:53 AM

I don't believe Haruka said Iam I don't believe thats even a word ;) Also it's a completely different context

One is from the owner of the apartment to the boy who has had no friends

The other is from the new person in the house who welcomed back someone he had completely brushed off earlier who was coming back with a friend

What next if a character says hello, your going to screenshot that and compare them?

And as I said before NGE isn't exactly original, it's like Gunbuster and Mobile Suit Gundam combined with added religous themes in it and. Every mecha anime made today has been influenced by Mobile Suit Gundam including the almighty evangelion and a mecha anime I like better than eva that wasn't in any way influenced by the impact of eva would be vision of escaflowne and i could probably make a list with better examples of rahxephon being influenced by escaflowne........not much of a rip off considering bones worked on escaflowne as well.

And have you posted in this thread without mentioning eva?

Immediately people jump on him and flame him to bits or call him a idiot for not loving it to pieces....

I would say the eva fantatics are the worse in this regard taking immediate offense at anything that slights eva ever so slightly, look in the eva vs escaflowne thread in the second page of this forum for one example, look at this thread for dozens of examples

and um about people jumping on people who dislike full metal panic have you been reading the same thread i have? it's turned into a fmp is crap with filler ---- thread more than anything and i agree with that.