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artificial_man
03-03-2002, 01:28 AM
I think this anime series just started airing early this year .... I've just seen the first episode and looks pretty promising ... but some of it turned me off .. eg. some scenes reminded my of eva ... the guy screams like Shinji ... as in the episode after the Eva first went berserk ... focused on Shinji's eye then he screamed ... there was another part as well ... there was a scene which flashed a drop of water ... very similar to eva ...

But other than that it looked pretty good ... had some egyptian mythology mixed up with it too ... can't wait to get the next ep:lol:

Ngine
03-03-2002, 11:04 AM
i'm thinking about downloading the first episode. the screenshots at the Rah Xephon homepage sure looked great! but yeah, it seems like it's going to be just another giant robo series, but with very sweet animation!

Kizzim
03-03-2002, 11:19 AM
You think it reminds you of eva now? Ive watched up to episode 4. It just gets worse. I feel like every Evangelion fan is pissed off because the writer refused to continue the series and just ended it, so now they are fighting back by making a bunch of clones. Well, this is a clone :P I dunno if anyone has seen super atragon, but this movie is like super atragon and evangelion mixed together.

Westlo
03-03-2002, 02:35 PM
must resist urge to flame..... must resist

hey guys look at that its an anime and it must copy eva because evas an anime as well!!!!!

Drizzten
03-03-2002, 03:24 PM
It would be much more enlightening if those of you who have seen this new anime would actually qualify your "it's a clone" remarks. How close is it to NGE, what makes them similar, etc. And mark your spoilers.

Ngine
03-03-2002, 05:20 PM
well, the thing is that there're allready dozens of Mecha anime series and untill now only EVA seemed to be different from those other giant robo series. and it would be great if Rah X would be different too, but i don't count on it. but hey, you won't hear me complain! i love giant-robo anime, the more the better!

thedarkmarine
03-03-2002, 05:36 PM
Well, why is it a clone?

Giant robots
POV's exactly like eva
Relationship of characters to anime
Main character = Shinji
That girl in yellow dress = Rei
That lady that rescues main character = Misato
Main character's mom = Gendo
Year = 2015


There's more but that's enough.

However, I do feel that's unique enough in it's own ways to be very promising. Ie, Tokyo Jupiter, the designs of stuff are pretty cool (Drone fighters kick ass), and story does not copy eva, just the same style. It gives the same atmosphere and I'm thourghouly enjoying it.

I've seen up to ep4 and ep4 is the best yet. I can't wait for more. O ya, the intro song: Hemisphere kicks ass.

klinky
03-03-2002, 08:51 PM
RahXephon seems to follow the "I didn't know I had these powers..." type of plot .You have a normal boy,maybe he's kinda neglected by his parents.Everything is normal until one day the earth is attacked and everyone is like "WTF are we going to do"....he passes out and finds his "soul" or "energy of the gods" and kills all the baddies and everyone is happy. Iam not into animes where there is this "Magic Energy" and no one knows where it comes from.Alot of them explain that a mythical god gave it to them or something lame,where they don't actually need to do any explaining.

I did feel a sense of Misato-ness in that girl that saved him....heheheh ;)


~klinky

thedarkmarine
03-03-2002, 09:21 PM
Whatever floats your boat...

suzaku
03-03-2002, 11:43 PM
very interesting...

Westlo
04-03-2002, 01:41 AM
Originally posted by thedarkmarine
Well, why is it a clone?

Giant robots was eva the first?
Relationship of characters to anime
Main character = Shinji who is an amuro clone anyway (situation not character)
That girl in yellow dress = Rei no she smiled in the second ep and it took rei much longer to do that :p
That lady that rescues main character = Misato misato was obviously the first tough chick anime character who was in the milatary or the like......
Main character's mom = Gendo parents using their child for some purpose hmmmm thats also been invented by eva
Year = 2015


There's more but that's enough.

However, I do feel that's unique enough in it's own ways to be very promising. Ie, Tokyo Jupiter, the designs of stuff are pretty cool (Drone fighters kick ass), and story does not copy eva, just the same style. It gives the same atmosphere and I'm thourghouly enjoying it.

I've seen up to ep4 and ep4 is the best yet. I can't wait for more. O ya, the intro song: Hemisphere kicks ass.

It gives the same atmosphere

That is all it does it has the same atmosphere, is that a bad thing...of course not and hemisphere is a much better song than CAT and i'm sure yoko kanno's ost for this will be superior to evas...

If you wanna go calling things copy then i can say Trigun is a blantant rip off of Rurouni Kenshin and my reasons will be much better than the ones you listed for Eva/Rahxephon.

thedarkmarine
11-03-2002, 02:57 PM
I forgot to mention, 5 seconds into watching Rah, my eva-fan-freak friend goes: "That's so eva." He was talking about the gates at the very beginning on the aircraft carrier, how they move horizontally, just like in the eva launch sequence.

One more huge similarity: "Welcome Home." ~ep 5.

Don't get me wrong though, I love RahXephon, cause it's like eva, but it's not a rippoff; it's different but with lots of the same elements. I don't know how they do it though. Ep 5 was great. Just focusing on the characters. Lot more light-hearted but you sense underlying problems...just like eva!

Westlo
12-03-2002, 05:21 PM
orignally posted by kizzim


Hahahhaa... Eva is nothing like Gundam, im sorry, just because they both use mecha doesnt make it alike. The mecha work differently have different weapons, and are used differently. Amuro once again is really nothing like Shinji, Amuro doesnt mind fighting, Shinji whines everytime he has to, and Gunbuster, please, gunbuster was done in space, and all i remember from that stupid series was them making some giant like jupiter or black hole and getting sucked in and not comming out for like 80 years at the end.


Atleast if yer going to insult me put a little more thought into it, amature.

I'm continuing this discussion from the fmp request thread

Amuro once again is really nothing like Shinji

I believe Sheex put this best in another thread about the shinji/amuro thing

The fact that the main character is a teenage boy who in the first episode gets into a mecha made by his father while the surrounding city is being destroyed by enemy forces, then is forced into the organization against his will. As the series progresses the main character is put off often as selfish, rude, immature and a 'loser'. Both have little faith in their abilities at the start of the series but eventually become the most important force in the organzation. Both basically commit 'treason' against the organization at once point in the series and both are reprimanded for it by being thrown in a cell. It has nothing to do with the mecha argument, it has everything to do with the fact that Shinji is nothing more than a new Amuro Ray

Oh please if you think Anno did not borrow elements from his earlier series (Nadia and Gunbuster) you are really, really naive or/and stupid. Then again after your threads about how bad kenshin is and fansubs i believe it is the later.

Sheex, The Dark Stalker
12-03-2002, 05:30 PM
Hey, check out this new show, its by the guys who made Esca and Bebop.

Alright.

5 minutes into the show...

THIS IS A EVA CLONE!!!! EVA'S TOO MONDO COOL OVER DIS THANG. THIS SHOW SUCKS I GO BYE BYE NOW

Why's it an Eva clone?

Well, look, its a mecha show!

Wow, there are only 50,000 of those out.

Well, it uses symbolism.

So symbolism has only existed in our soceity since 1995 when Evangelion made it up?

Oh yeah!?! Well... um... the main characters a loser!!! That has to make it an Eva clone!

Hmm... thats strange. There was this little known show on Cartoon Network I saw last summer where a loser piloted a powerful mech and constantly whined, complained, wished he wasn't the pilot, betrayed the organization, got thrown in a cell, etc...

Yeah! Thats Eva! They showed Eva on TV! See!?! Everythings an Eva clone!

Oh yes, now that I think about it that show was Mobile Suit Gundam, which came out 16 years before Eva.

O I C. Well... um... there's a red haired woman in it!

Gee, I didn't know that red haired women existed.

Well... uh... there's a character called Hyuga in it!

So the Japanese aren't allowed to name people Hyuga anymore?

Hmm....

Hey, check this show out. It may actually be able to help your argument. Its called Key the Metal Idol. It also features a thin girl who's very pale, has light hair and eyes, and has got a mysterious past. Also, the main character lives with a big breasted brunette who's essentially her guardian.

YEAH!!! THAT PROVES ME RIGHT YOU BOZO!!! ITS AN EVA CLONE WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT!!!

Oh wait, whats this? I checked the date on Key, it came out before Eva. Looks like its the other way around.

NO~O~~!! SHOWS CAN ONLY RIPOFF EVA!!! EVA CAN'T RIPOFF SHOWS!! *runs off crying*

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-_-

As I hope my little conversation has shown, the whole Eva ripoff issue is nothing more than a waste of time. Eva is hardly original. Nothing is. If people would spend more time actually thinking and looking at the quality of something on its own, instead of baselessly crying and moaning about it being an Eva ripoff for using precedents established long before Eva, life as an anime fan would be much better.

As for RahXephon itself, I've only heard the opening theme. :( It'll be a while before I can see it, having such a slow modem after all.

Westlo
12-03-2002, 05:42 PM
:LOL: Funny stuff :LOL:

wonders when the captain of the submarine (Theresa hmm shes got an R in her name shes a clone!!) from full metal panic is going to be called a rei clone because ppl call her ruri like over irc and we all know Ruri's a clone of Rei :p

Kizzim
12-03-2002, 11:24 PM
Originally posted by Westlo
orignally posted by kizzim


Hahahhaa... Eva is nothing like Gundam, im sorry, just because they both use mecha doesnt make it alike. The mecha work differently have different weapons, and are used differently. Amuro once again is really nothing like Shinji, Amuro doesnt mind fighting, Shinji whines everytime he has to, and Gunbuster, please, gunbuster was done in space, and all i remember from that stupid series was them making some giant like jupiter or black hole and getting sucked in and not comming out for like 80 years at the end.


Atleast if yer going to insult me put a little more thought into it, amature.

I'm continuing this discussion from the fmp request thread

Amuro once again is really nothing like Shinji

I believe Sheex put this best in another thread about the shinji/amuro thing

The fact that the main character is a teenage boy who in the first episode gets into a mecha made by his father while the surrounding city is being destroyed by enemy forces, then is forced into the organization against his will. As the series progresses the main character is put off often as selfish, rude, immature and a 'loser'. Both have little faith in their abilities at the start of the series but eventually become the most important force in the organzation. Both basically commit 'treason' against the organization at once point in the series and both are reprimanded for it by being thrown in a cell. It has nothing to do with the mecha argument, it has everything to do with the fact that Shinji is nothing more than a new Amuro Ray

Oh please if you think Anno did not borrow elements from his earlier series (Nadia and Gunbuster) you are really, really naive or/and stupid. Then again after your threads about how bad kenshin is and fansubs i believe it is the later.

I enjoy listening to you post, just because i get a laugh out of it. You cannot compare just situation to characters sure shinji was forced into NERV, but he never wanted to pilot, never. Amuro accepted his fate and fought, and when i watched the episodes i never considered him a 'loser' but shinji definatly fit that title. Another thing id like to point out, the writer who designed this film did it in a insane asylum, please point out where he had time to watch friggin anime unless they showed it in his padded cell. Words from the writers mouth was that the eva story came from holucinations and visions he had while he was in there. If the story is true its obvious that this cannot be the case, but still my original arguement still holds. Eventually no matter what certain things about series are going to be semi-like, hey, thats life. But Rahxephon has OVERWELMING likeness to evangelion. Not just one part, but 5-9? I mean people can make lists. Gundam is a very large series, and im pretty sure no one based a series off one of one the many main characters in another series.

Why do you keep going back to gunbuster, for gods sake, the series was like 3 hours long if even that, it was NEVER popular.

As for Kenshin, i could care less if 90% of the people out there think is the best series ever, it sucks, it blows, it offers nothing to the samuri type-anime genre out there. I found it bland, uninteresting and stupid. The main character is suppose to be some cold blooded killer and in the series his eyes get really big and he drools over some chick, I didnt know whether to laugh or puke. As for the OVAs, omg... I felt like i was watching a documentry on how boring the japanese culture was 100 years ago. I think by the middle of the 3rd one i was jamming a fork into my hand to make sure i was still alive and not in hell. Why dont you people just start a cult? Then you can walk down the street mindlessly chanting, "I love kenshin, kenshin has blood, kenshin has swords, kenshin is great" and rinse and repeat. All i can get from kenshin fans of why it rocks is because of the 'swordfighting' oyeah, exciting, let me tell you.

Sheex, The Dark Stalker
13-03-2002, 12:19 AM
I enjoy listening to you post, just because i get a laugh out of it. You cannot compare just situation to characters sure shinji was forced into NERV, but he never wanted to pilot, never. Amuro accepted his fate and fought, and when i watched the episodes i never considered him a 'loser' but shinji definatly fit that title.

So what you're saying is that Eva can't be considered a ripoff of Mobile Suit Gundam because the likeness isn't 100%. JEEZ, THATS WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG WITH RESPECT TO EVA!!!!!!!! As always, Eva is held to a different standard in the typical Eva fanatic's eyes, as proven here.


Another thing id like to point out, the writer who designed this film did it in a insane asylum, please point out where he had time to watch friggin anime unless they showed it in his padded cell.


Good to see that not only is your knowledge of anime as a whole lacking, but so is your knowledge of Eva.



But Rahxephon has OVERWELMING likeness to evangelion. Not just one part, but 5-9? I mean people can make lists.
I see. And I can name 20 OVERWHELMING likenesses from Gundam to Eva. Lets take this for example.

In Evangelion, a suicidal blond (Ritsuko) attempts to blow up the good guy's 'base' (Nerv HQ), but fails, and is quickly killed.

In Gundam, a suicidal blond (Hamon) attempts to blow up the good guy's 'base' (White Base), but fails and is quickly killed.

Gee, you can't get much closer than that, can you!? Not that it really matters, you see, I can enjoy things without singing out "RRRRRRIIIIIIPPPPPPOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!" every other second.


Why do you keep going back to gunbuster, for gods sake, the series was like 3 hours long if even that, it was NEVER popular.


What does popularity have to do with it? Eva was made by the same company as Gunbuster, meaning that easy access to the show was assured, regardless of how popular it was.


As for Kenshin, i could care less if 90% of the people out there think is the best series ever, it sucks, it blows, it offers nothing to the samuri type-anime genre out there.

So what you're saying is, classifying a ripoff has nothing to do with likeness, but how much you like the show, correct?


Gosh, rabid Eva fans sure do a good job of supporting my argument.

thedarkmarine
13-03-2002, 01:08 AM
I just want to list the similarities. Note that I am on the side that Rah rocks.


Ep 1
Airplane launch sequence. Those horizontal sliding gates looks a lot like the ones in the eva launch sequence.
Lots of the camera shot's are the same: this view of the street, the kid's eye.
The kid screaming after that tank blows up, similar to Shinji screaming after seeing Asuska in EoE.
The sign on the door that says "Kamina Maya Ayato" uses the style Eva uses.
Ep 2
Mom is in the MU, sorta like Gendo is in Nerv.
Ep 3
"Don't look for me."
Year = 2015.
RahXephon destroys 1st MU thingie, but pilot suffers lots of pain; loss of that "Rei" girl.
Ep 4
Haruka/Elvy = Ritsuko/Misato = Knows plan/Doesn't know plan.
Those tenical thingies in ship looks like Armisael infecting Rei.
Ep 5
That train thingie that seats 9 looks is similar to one used in Eva.
I feel that Haruka and Elvy are Misato in 2; need lotsa beer, Elvy also uses sex.
"Welcome Home"


Still, RahXephon is not CHEAP enough to be a rippoff. It just uses similar elements to state that it is the same genre as eva, and the actual story is completely different from eva.

Westlo
13-03-2002, 01:12 AM
Fans like Kizzim and that other guy saying Ruri's a clone of Rei after watching ten seconds of the nadesico movie are fans EVA could do without.

I enjoy listening to you post, just because i get a laugh out of it

as i get a laugh out of yours, but the difference is your information is wrong

Another thing id like to point out, the writer who designed this film did it in a insane asylum, please point out where he had time to watch friggin anime unless they showed it in his padded cell

Hmm let's see Mobile Suit Gundam was only made 16 years before EVA was released and since Hideki Anno (thats the guy who worked on it) made Nadia and Gunbuster in the early nineties something tells me he might have heard of Mobile Suit Gundam (in a pole by newtype Mobile Suit gundam is the most respected series in the view of the anime creators).

I mean people can make lists

Like what?

It has mecha (eva was the first!!)
It has characters (eva was the first!!)
It has music in it (eva was the first!!)

The example from sheex about Mobile Suit gundam and eva's is more exact than any example you can pull out from rahxephon and eva.

Why do you keep going back to gunbuster, for gods sake, the series was like 3 hours long if even that, it was NEVER popular

Because it was made by the same person....and because you didn't like it, it wasn't popular? I wonder why their making a sequel for it this year must be because it sucked, right Kizzim!

The main character is suppose to be some cold blooded killer

Thats funny, i thought he gave up killing for ten years before the series started, but hey I actually understood what was going on, unlike someone else in this thread.

All i can get from kenshin fans of why it rocks is because of the 'swordfighting' oyeah, exciting, let me tell you

And all i get from eva fans (LIKE YOU) is this is the best series ever, nothing beats it everything else is a copy!!!

You say my arguments are laughable i'm not the one who thinks kenshin is a warlord when hes a wandering swordsman. I'm not the one who made a thread saying fansubs are bad and yet a month later look whos getting them. I could go on but why argue with someone so narrow minded.

Saying Kenshin rocks because of the fighting only is like saying EVA rocks because of the mechas only.

Oh yeah try and answer sheex back this time, or are you going to never come back to this thread like the one you started in the kenshin forum after making comments that were grossly wrong.

Drizzten
13-03-2002, 02:06 AM
Drizz's hand, carefully posed over the "Turn A/C On To Max" Switch, hovers steadily...

*cough*

Gettin' warm in here?


I know jack about RahXephon. I've seen Eva. I think Eva kicks ass. If RahXephon has some similarities to Eva, then hot damn, I'd like to see it. It is flatly impossible to create something that is 100% unique these days...therefore, the best creators take their influences and put their own special spin on them. Once you get past glaring similarities, just about everything else is far too subjective to worry about.

If you like it, great. If you don't, wonderful. At least disagree with some grace.

Sheex, The Dark Stalker
13-03-2002, 02:39 PM
*my words in italics*

I just want to list the similarities.

Ep 1
Airplane launch sequence. Those horizontal sliding gates looks a lot like the ones in the eva launch sequence.
Sliding gates aren't common?
Lots of the camera shot's are the same: this view of the street, the kid's eye.
Shots of eyes aren't common?
The kid screaming after that tank blows up, similar to Shinji screaming after seeing Asuska in EoE.
People don't scream in stuff other than Eva?
The sign on the door that says "Kamina Maya Ayato" uses the style Eva uses.
What, its in kanji too?
Ep 2
Mom is in the MU, sorta like Gendo is in Nerv.
Gee, I never knew mothers actually worked.
Ep 3
"Don't look for me."
Explain. I have no clue what you're talking about here.
Year = 2015.
Your point being...? Is every show that had the same year as another a ripoff of that show?
RahXephon destroys 1st MU thingie, but pilot suffers lots of pain; loss of that "Rei" girl.
People don't go through pain in shows other than Eva?
Ep 4
Haruka/Elvy = Ritsuko/Misato = Knows plan/Doesn't know plan.
You're just descending into more and more ridiculousness here.
Those tenical thingies in ship looks like Armisael infecting Rei.
No comment, haven't seen it yet
Ep 5
That train thingie that seats 9 looks is similar to one used in Eva.
LoL! Have you ever been on the subway?
I feel that Haruka and Elvy are Misato in 2; need lotsa beer, Elvy also uses sex.
People don't have sex or drink beer outside of Eva?
"Welcome Home"
Again, explain.


[quote]Still, RahXephon is not CHEAP enough to be a rippoff.
THEN DON'T MAKE AN IDIOTIC LIST ABOUT IT!!!!!!!

This is what cracks me up about you guys. You take commonly used things used not only in anime years and years before Eva, but used in every form of entertainment before Eva!!! You want me to post my Eva vs. Gundam list again? Not that it really matters, since I don't go around starting arguments about Eva being a ripoff of Gundam, but the similarities are 10 times more realistic. Of course Eva's too perfect to be a ripoff of anything, right? Because its the most original form of entertainment ever, right?!

thedarkmarine
13-03-2002, 03:10 PM
I just felt like point them out, so that in the future, people won't use those points to say Rah is a rippoff, because I'm saying they borrow those elements but uses a completely different story. Note that those elements are all cosmetic. Nothing of the actual STORY is rippoffed.

Also, Sheex, please see some Rah before you comment. If you watch it, some scenes just scream eva. I swear. Some things look sooooooooo similar. It's not that they do camera shots of some things; it's how they did it.

Sheex, The Dark Stalker
13-03-2002, 03:54 PM
I just felt like point them out, so that in the future, people won't use those points to say Rah is a rippoff, because I'm saying they borrow those elements but uses a completely different story. Note that those elements are all cosmetic. Nothing of the actual STORY is rippoffed.


Okay, so let me get this straight... Despite the fact that subways have been around for so many years, and are used in one episode prominently in Eva (probably even less in RahXephon) that means RahXephon is borrowing things from Eva? Thats odd, last time I checked, Eva didn't invent the subway, did it?

Eva was the first show to feature a female character drinking beer, correct? So despite the fact that females drinking alcohol is such a ridiculously common thing, that means that it originated in Eva and every form of entertainment that came out after Eva borrowed it from Eva, right?

This cracks me up. I know you rabid Eva fans who can't watch another mecha show without yelling out "ripoff" aren't gonna like this, but EVANGELION IS NOT AN EXTREMELY ORIGINAL SHOW. Spend some time to actually look at the things you people parade as so great. Evangelion wasn't the first show to use symbolism, was it? Eva wasn't the first mecha show, was it? Eva wasn't the first show to feature a hero in a conflict with his mecha, was it? Eva wasn't the first show with a cop-out, out of this world ending, was it? Eva wasn't the first show to feature a boy in conflict with his father, was it? Eva wasn't eh first show to feature a quiet bizarre girl, was it? The truth is, that Eva hardly brought anything new to anime (in fact look at the few original things, like the 'binding' thing, and you'll notice that no shows are using those aspects), it brought together a bunch of different well-established precendents brought up before in anime and for the most part used them very well. That makes Eva a very good show. But it does not make it original, the best, or something that can be ripped off.

Did Eva have an effect on anime? Somewhat. Its certainly arguable that such a good and popular show being made caused new life to flow through various minds in the business, seeing that it still was possible for a small company to produce another hit mecha show. Its fact that the scenes in episode 18 and 20 had an effect on anime, it caused the networks to toughen their standards on censorship, resulting in shows like Bebop getting censored to crazy extents. But what Eva had little to do with is the actual content of these shows, the only thing that can cause this 'ripoff' argument to be brought up in the first place.

If you're gonna look through new shows looking for originality, you're not gonna find it. Nothing is original anymore, even Eva, especially when brought to insane standards like certain fans here have done. The truth is, if you want to talk about ripoffs, every show is a ripoff of the show that actually originated the concept, not a show that used it like Eva. And that show is actually a ripoff of the real life occurence that caused that idea to be used.

Now stop for a moment. Do we really have to go this far? Why can't you people view anime like myself, and instead of complaining and whining excessively about aspects it shares with a million other forms of entertainment, enjoy it for what it is? Why do you get so much gratification by throwing out that 6 letter word so much?


Also, Sheex, please see some Rah before you comment. If you watch it, some scenes just scream eva. I swear. Some things look sooooooooo similar. It's not that they do camera shots of some things; it's how they did it.
Yes, I do need to watch the show. But if those reasons are the best you can do, I don't have to say another word. The standards you use are so loose that Eva can be called a ripoff of some random american sitcom made in the 1950's.

thedarkmarine
13-03-2002, 04:21 PM
Ok, I'll state my rebuttles.


Ep 1
Airplane launch sequence. Those horizontal sliding gates looks a lot like the ones in the eva launch sequence.
Sliding gates aren't common?
See how they do it. Looks a LOT like eva.
Lots of the camera shot's are the same: this view of the street, the kid's eye.
Shots of eyes aren't common?
It's the WAY they did it.
The kid screaming after that tank blows up, similar to Shinji screaming after seeing Asuska in EoE.
People don't scream in stuff other than Eva?
It's the WAY they did it.
The sign on the door that says "Kamina Maya Ayato" uses the style Eva uses.
What, its in kanji too?
It's the WAY they did it.
Ep 2
Mom is in the MU, sorta like Gendo is in Nerv.
Gee, I never knew mothers actually worked.
Sorry. I did not say this clearly enough. The kid's mother is like the head of MU, or some high position.
Ep 3
"Don't look for me."
Explain. I have no clue what you're talking about here.
Kid left a note that says: "Don't look for me."
Year = 2015.
Your point being...? Is every show that had the same year as another a ripoff of that show?
Ya, I lose. Bad example.
RahXephon destroys 1st MU thingie, but pilot suffers lots of pain; loss of that "Rei" girl.
People don't go through pain in shows other than Eva?
Also a weak example. It's more in common that it's the first battle. Still a weak example.
Ep 4
Haruka/Elvy = Ritsuko/Misato = Knows plan/Doesn't know plan.
You're just descending into more and more ridiculousness here.
I think it's prominent. Elvy asks what is up with Operation Overlord. Misato asks what the heck is up with an Eva. One's on the inside and on is on the outside. They also appears to be the best of friends.
Those tenical thingies in ship looks like Armisael infecting Rei.
No comment, haven't seen it yet
Ditto
Ep 5
That train thingie that seats 9 looks is similar to one used in Eva.
LoL! Have you ever been on the subway?
It's not really a subway...the angle it's slanted on and stuff...reminds me of that decending cart in Eva.
I feel that Haruka and Elvy are Misato in 2; need lotsa beer, Elvy also uses sex.
People don't have sex or drink beer outside of Eva?
Weak example.
"Welcome Home"
Again, explain.
Watch Rah.


Let me make my position clear. I love RahXephon. I'll quote myself why I made this list:
I just felt like point them out, so that in the future, people won't use those points to say Rah is a rippoff...Note that those elements are all cosmetic.

I understand that you want people to just enjoy the series, which is what I'm doing. I made the list in preparation for defence againts future instances of "Rah is such a Eva clone."

Sheex, The Dark Stalker
13-03-2002, 04:31 PM
Defending Rah would be done better, atleast IMHO by proving why the 'Eva ripoff' thing is pure idiocy like I do, instead of listing goofy similarities, which portrays you as another one of the ripoff people. But thats just me :rolleyes:

Kizzim
13-03-2002, 09:48 PM
For those who think they know Evangelion and the director...

http://www.nihongoweb.com/Anime/anno.html
http://www.evaotaku.com/omake/anno.html
http://www.cjas.org/~echen/articles/spring97/05_03b.html

I rest my case, you dont know jack, now get off my block.

Kizzim
13-03-2002, 10:23 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Westlo
Because it was made by the same person....and because you didn't like it, it wasn't popular? I wonder why their making a sequel for it this year must be because it sucked, right Kizzim!

Not made, he worked on it. He also worked on Gundam Char's Counterattack and a few Gundam episodes, does that mean gundam rocks because of him? Shall i name a few more? Lets see.. Secret of Blue Water, Sailor Moon R, Macross: Do you remember love?

Gunbuster was a parody movie, it was ment to be funny, not taken seriously, some series i like that are like that, such as Nadesico, however, Gunbuster was okay, but definatly not in a list of anime id tell someone was any good.

The main character is suppose to be some cold blooded killer

Okay, once a cold blooded killer, your always a cold blooded killer. His character design is made of some assassin, i did say hes a cold blooded killer in the series, but the idea of some assassin going good and not killing anymore is rather lame if you ask me. Also his personality in the series is nothing how a 'cold blooded killer' would be, even one thats reformed.

And all i get from eva fans (LIKE YOU) is this is the best series ever, nothing beats it everything else is a copy!!!

Evangelion is not my absolute favorite series, but its in the top 3. Usually i stay away from calling series copies because its really hard to be totally original thesedays (however id like to give props to Geneshaft for pretty much doing it :up: ) Some of the new series mix and match, their mecha might be similar, but the story is different, or some series like FMP just give you outragous theme, i mean a mecha pilot protecting a schoolgirl? i thought it was rather funny, but its still a great series. The reason i came down on Rahxephon is because it has SO MANY same qualities as Evangelion, other people have made lists, you read theres, i agree, just the situation and mood of the series is exact.

You say my arguments are laughable i'm not the one who thinks kenshin is a warlord when hes a wandering swordsman. I'm not the one who made a thread saying fansubs are bad and yet a month later look whos getting them. I could go on but why argue with someone so narrow minded.

Warlords dont wander, and i never said he was a warlord.

As for fansubs I defended my reasoning in that thread, I still insist that fansubs are bad for the community, if you want to discuss it more goto that thread, but dont try to trash me in this thread because of another just because you cant defend your own reasoning here.

Saying Kenshin rocks because of the fighting only is like saying EVA rocks because of the mechas only.

Too bad 90% of the kenshin fans think that. Im into Evangelion because it shows humanity at their worst and best in my eyes. I like that fact that the main characters have faults, and that the mecha arnt invincible. This is the same reason why i love other anime like Gasaraki, which has mecha, but its not centered on it.


I stand firm that Kenshin is a worthless series. It offers nothing to humanity, it doesnt teach a lesson, its not funny, its not interesting. Not saying that anime has to do those to be worthwhile, but if you want to catch my attention or make a mark to me, you need to give me atleast one.

Sheex, The Dark Stalker
13-03-2002, 11:00 PM
For those who think they know Evangelion and the director...

I rest my case, you dont know jack, now get off my block.


Actually this pulls down your credibility even more. Please show me the quotes in there that mentioned something along this line:

"Another thing id like to point out, the writer who designed this film did it in a insane asylum, please point out where he had time to watch friggin anime unless they showed it in his padded cell"

Looks to me like you pulled out a few random anno articles and posted them in an attempt to look like a 'mondo cool, phat Eva master'. Heck, 2 of them are the same article. Did you even read them?

The reason i came down on Rahxephon is because it has SO MANY same qualities as Evangelion
Except nobody has named a single one that can be tied to Eva.

Care to try again? You make it quite easy for me. :rolleyes:

Kizzim
14-03-2002, 01:04 AM
Originally posted by Sheex, The Dark Stalker


Actually this pulls down your credibility even more. Please show me the quotes in there that mentioned something along this line:

"Another thing id like to point out, the writer who designed this film did it in a insane asylum, please point out where he had time to watch friggin anime unless they showed it in his padded cell"

Looks to me like you pulled out a few random anno articles and posted them in an attempt to look like a 'mondo cool, phat Eva master'. Heck, 2 of them are the same article. Did you even read them?


Except nobody has named a single one that can be tied to Eva.

Care to try again? You make it quite easy for me. :rolleyes:

Actually if you read the two that are alike, one is the official article from a anime magazine and the other is exerpts from it with other information. I cannot find the site that mentioned he was in a asylum, but i remember the article said that he got his idea for evangelion when he was in there for a year because of extreme stress or something. As you know Anno is kinda wierd, he would wear monster costumes to work, he was very excentric.

The basis of the links were to show you that evangelion was original, he states word by word he created evangelion TO NOT BE GUNDAM because he hated gundam, that it was too repiticious. I was hoping that you would figure that out on your own i wouldnt have to hold your hand.

No one is claiming to be an evangelion master, im a eva fan, and ive ready quite a few articles about anno just because i loved evangelion.

I dont need to try again, your reaching trying to bash me instead of bring fact into the conversation. Im proving you wrong, prove me wrong instead of trying to make weak attempts to insult me.

Ryoma
14-03-2002, 01:44 AM
I never read anything about Anno being in an insane asylum. He was DEPRESSED for 3 years before Eva because he had no direction in life. That's all that is mentioned...

As for Gunbuster / Eva...seeing as how GB is one of my all time favorites, I can't let anymore misinformation go.
First off, Gunbuster was directed by Anno, it wasn't just something Anno worked on.
Second, Gunbuster was not meant as a parody. It was developed as an homage to the 70's giant robot series, but attempting to add some shonen ai (or whichever is the for girls) elements to it. That is not how it progressed though.
Third, how can you say that Eva did not have many of the same elements as Gunbuster? Noriko = Shinji, Jung = Asuka, Trainer = Gendo (right down to the glasses) Come on, it's so obvious that Anno dipped back into the GB well for Eva. It's not worth arguing about.

I never saw any Gundam so I have no idea about it, but the only quote I ever saw from Anno regarding Gundam was that he designed his Eva mecha to be nothing like Gundam because they were all designed for the toy market and Anno didn't want that. The quote you have in that link is not from Anno but rather from someone who was pointing out that Gundam was repeticious.

Me, I've seen some of Rah and I like it. Does it have an Eva feel to it, I guess but I really don't care in the end. The story and characters are completely different and I can either enjoy the show for what it is or sit and compare it to Eva. I choose to do the former and enjoy myself.

Westlo
14-03-2002, 02:04 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Westlo
Because it was made by the same person....and because you didn't like it, it wasn't popular? I wonder why their making a sequel for it this year must be because it sucked, right Kizzim!

Not made, he worked on it. He also worked on Gundam Char's Counterattack and a few Gundam episodes, does that mean gundam rocks because of him? Shall i name a few more? Lets see.. Secret of Blue Water, Sailor Moon R, Macross: Do you remember love?

Gunbuster was a parody movie, it was ment to be funny, not taken seriously, some series i like that are like that, such as Nadesico, however, Gunbuster was okay, but definatly not in a list of anime id tell someone was any good.

He directed Nadia Secret of the Bluewater (which i pointed out before you), he directed Gunbuster, he directed Evangelion do you catch my drift......oh and since you can't seem to grasp storylines that easily did you notice eva took the gainax bounce which was first implemented in Gunbuster since you probably only look at superficial things like that.

The main character is suppose to be some cold blooded killer

Okay, once a cold blooded killer, your always a cold blooded killer. His character design is made of some assassin, i did say hes a cold blooded killer in the series

His character design is made to be an assassin, sure.... the creator of kenshin drew the tougest guy he could think of and did the opposite to make kenshin, thats why he looks feminine, he has pink/purple clothing shows how much you know.

but the idea of some assassin going good and not killing anymore is rather lame if you ask me

Did we ask you if it was lame and it's not like it hasn't been done before.

Also his personality in the series is nothing how a 'cold blooded killer' would be, even one thats reformed

If you had managed to watch the rest of samurai X (rurouni kenshin ovas) you would have seen the reason why he gave up killing. But instead you deleted them (during the time you made that fabsubs are bad thread, but dvd rips of licensed anime isn't according to kizzim) also before the series he had been wandering around for ten years peacefully. He also caries a reverse bladed sword and can easily defeat most people, does he need to kill people so hes kewl in kizzims eyes?

i mean a mecha pilot protecting a schoolgirl

If you think thats original my already low opinion of you has somehow gone lower.

Warlords dont wander, and i never said he was a warlord

and i never said hes was a wandering warlord, oh but you did say he was a warlord. Check the thread you made in the kenshin forum, unless someone else called kizzim posted that and said that.....it was you.

and that the mecha aren't invincible

tell that to some rabid eva fans

I stand firm that Kenshin is a worthless series

After watching the first 3 eps, which in this kenshin fans opinion sucked anyway. Kenshin shines from eps 28-66, the first 27 are intro eps that some love/like/hate the last saga sucked.

it doesnt teach a lesson

it teaches more of a lesson than eva does, since than edo revolution actually occured in japan, what happened in eva that really happened? Guess you will have to wait until 2015 to answer that question.

its not funny, its not interesting

all in your opinion, can you state that? stop saying it like it's fact

believe it or not some ppl don't like full metal panic, while me and you do, it called being an individual.

Westlo
14-03-2002, 02:11 AM
Originally posted by Ryoma
I never read anything about Anno being in an insane asylum. He was DEPRESSED for 3 years before Eva because he had no direction in life. That's all that is mentioned...

As for Gunbuster / Eva...seeing as how GB is one of my all time favorites, I can't let anymore misinformation go.
First off, Gunbuster was directed by Anno, it wasn't just something Anno worked on.
Second, Gunbuster was not meant as a parody. It was developed as an homage to the 70's giant robot series, but attempting to add some shonen ai (or whichever is the for girls) elements to it. That is not how it progressed though.
Third, how can you say that Eva did not have many of the same elements as Gunbuster? Noriko = Shinji, Jung = Asuka, Trainer = Gendo (right down to the glasses) Come on, it's so obvious that Anno dipped back into the GB well for Eva. It's not worth arguing about.

I never saw any Gundam so I have no idea about it, but the only quote I ever saw from Anno regarding Gundam was that he designed his Eva mecha to be nothing like Gundam because they were all designed for the toy market and Anno didn't want that. The quote you have in that link is not from Anno but rather from someone who was pointing out that Gundam was repeticious.

Me, I've seen some of Rah and I like it. Does it have an Eva feel to it, I guess but I really don't care in the end. The story and characters are completely different and I can either enjoy the show for what it is or sit and compare it to Eva. I choose to do the former and enjoy myself.

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Sheex, The Dark Stalker
14-03-2002, 01:25 PM
Actually if you read the two that are alike, one is the official article from a anime magazine and the other is exerpts from it with other information.

Yeah, but they're essentially the same thing :p


I cannot find the site that mentioned he was in a asylum, but i remember the article said that he got his idea for evangelion when he was in there for a year because of extreme stress or something.
Except you can't offer any proof. When you're in an argument, you actually need something to back it up. Come back with actual proof next time before saying downright lies.


The basis of the links were to show you that evangelion was original, he states word by word he created evangelion TO NOT BE GUNDAM because he hated gundam, that it was too repiticious.
So why is Shinji so much like Amuro Ray? I don't get this. He hates Gundam so much, yet used things that Gundam established in the genre. Read my previous posts about the originality of Eva. Its no more original than the typical quality show.


I dont need to try again, your reaching trying to bash me instead of bring fact into the conversation. Im proving you wrong, prove me wrong instead of trying to make weak attempts to insult me.
In other words, you lost. Thanks for playing, good luck again next time.

So I guess this quote here isn't a bash, right? :p

I was hoping that you would figure that out on your own i wouldnt have to hold your hand.

Kizzim
15-03-2002, 10:00 AM
As for Gunbuster / Eva...seeing as how GB is one of my all time favorites, I can't let anymore misinformation go.
First off, Gunbuster was directed by Anno, it wasn't just something Anno worked on.
Second, Gunbuster was not meant as a parody. It was developed as an homage to the 70's giant robot series, but attempting to add some shonen ai (or whichever is the for girls) elements to it. That is not how it progressed though.
Third, how can you say that Eva did not have many of the same elements as Gunbuster? Noriko = Shinji, Jung = Asuka, Trainer = Gendo (right down to the glasses) Come on, it's so obvious that Anno dipped back into the GB well for Eva. It's not worth arguing about.

Did i bring the basis that Rahxephon is a eva clone because a character looks like another? Please i was hoping you could give me more reason why you think anno stole gunbuster ideas and implimented them in Evangelion. Just because characters look like now that he stole the idea? Im looking for real information, bahavior, movements, mecha design, weapons, stuff that that really matters, i could care less if gindo and the trainer wore the same purple pants, doing stuff like that is sometimes a artists way of letting you know that he did both of them, like a signature of his work, i wouldnt call this 'Evangelion is totally based on Gunbuster' idea. Anno never had to dip into anything for Evangelion because he wanted the show to bring something original into mecha-style anime. The point of evangelion wasnt because of the kewl mecha, but rather the main characters in the story. If you sit down and friggin read what im trying to tell you, you will notice the same in Rahxephon. Its immidiate that the director is trying to give that evangelion character battle thing going on just wants to put mecha in second tier. Even the way he does it closely resembles Evangelion. The way the mecha function is almost identacle. Where the mecha come from is almost identicle. What more do you want? show me where in gunbuster, Anno stole major ideas for Evangelion? You know what? you cant, you can only scream that Characters have a slight resemblence, just like your reaching for alot of bull**** in your posts.

Says its partly a parody:
http://www.asu.edu/studentprgms/orgs/them/Anime/Reviews/gunbuster.html

These people on Amazon.com think its a parody:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/6304164084/qid=1016155427/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/102-8375775-8432131

And above all, i think its a parody :)

Westlo
15-03-2002, 10:24 AM
Noriko = Shinji, Jung = Asuka, Trainer = Gendo (right down to the glasses)

Did i bring the basis that Rahxephon is a eva clone because a character looks like another?

Unless shinji is a girl and has tits i'm pretty sure he's not talking cosmeticly like you are and have been doing for this thread.

Nice to see you answered all the points me, sheex and Ryoma brought up ;) oh yeah go back to the kenshin thread you started or can't you find your way back to that forum

thedarkmarine
15-03-2002, 11:36 AM
On a non-debate issue, how many eps total are there? I just got ep 6...I'm sorry to say, I'm starting to like it more than eva. Eva was too slow at times. However, that "Angel" in ep 6...uses one of eva's angel's attack...meh. I still like it. It seems really like Eva at times but just somehow, somehow also gives a feeling or origonality. Damn there are a lot of similarities though.

Ryoma
15-03-2002, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by Kizzim
Did i bring the basis that Rahxephon is a eva clone because a character looks like another? Please i was hoping you could give me more reason why you think anno stole gunbuster ideas and implimented them in Evangelion. Just because characters look like now that he stole the idea? Im looking for real information, bahavior, movements, mecha design, weapons, stuff that that really matters, i could care less if gindo and the trainer wore the same purple pants, doing stuff like that is sometimes a artists way of letting you know that he did both of them, like a signature of his work, i wouldnt call this 'Evangelion is totally based on Gunbuster' idea. Anno never had to dip into anything for Evangelion because he wanted the show to bring something original into mecha-style anime. The point of evangelion wasnt because of the kewl mecha, but rather the main characters in the story. If you sit down and friggin read what im trying to tell you, you will notice the same in Rahxephon. Its immidiate that the director is trying to give that evangelion character battle thing going on just wants to put mecha in second tier. Even the way he does it closely resembles Evangelion. The way the mecha function is almost identacle. Where the mecha come from is almost identicle. What more do you want? show me where in gunbuster, Anno stole major ideas for Evangelion? You know what? you cant, you can only scream that Characters have a slight resemblence, just like your reaching for alot of bull**** in your posts.

You just don't get it do you? What are you going to argue about next, the Earth is flat? I am doubting more and more you have even seen Gunbuster because your arguements are falling flat on their face. But here we go again:
Noriko= Shinji.
School age child who has tragically lost a parent at a young age and still deals with that trama. Strives to find a purpose in live and strives to be noticed by others. Is chosen for no apparent reason to pilot a giant mecha that the future of the human race depends on against a mysterious enemy that wants to destroy all human life. Reluctantly pilots only because they don't know any other choice in life. Suffer a complete breakdown, quit the mecha and refuse to pilot, only to return when friends and loved ones are in danger. Who am I talking about?
Asuka = Jung.
School age girl, red hair, who is a certified genius. A master of tactics and battle. A foreigner who is quite proud of their heritage. Intensely competative, going so far as to attempt to upstage everyone around her. Loud and opinionated, she is ruthless in battle as demonstrated by one scene in which she dives into the depths of a superheated enviroment, ignoring the fact her mecha is slowly being crushed she presses forward to complete the mission. Who am I talking about?
Gendo= Trainer
Wears glasses, is obcessed with defeating his enemy, no matter the cost. Is always under control, yet a man of few words. Chooses a pilot for the special mecha that no one agrees with nor can understand. Has an agenda to get the reluctant pilot ready for the coming battle. Is forced to confront said mecha pilot when their confidence and self worth are at an all time low. Tells them they must chose to either fight, or die. A cold person who outwardly projects nothing but indifference toward all, but inside beats the heart of a passionate man who will pull whatever strings needed to accomplish his goals. Who am I talking about?

And why don't you read what you post for links? First off, none of the links are experts, especially at Amazon, but why don't you scroll down in the Amazon post and read the review that says Jung is the prototype Asuka...oops.

Hey, you can call Gunbuster whatever you like...parody...space opera...drama...I don't care. The point is that I didn't laugh at one thing other then the chibi technical discussions in between eps after ep 3. So if you think it's a parody I find your definition of humor to be quite broad... Heck that ending must have had you in stiches, talk about laugh out loud. *sarcasm*

Is Eva a direct copy of Gunbuster...NO...does it borrow elements, absolutely. That being the case, I guess I should complain that Rah is a rip off of Gunbuster then?

BTW, isn't Rah only available via fansubs? Last I read you thought those were killing the industry. Apparently times have changed.

klinky
16-03-2002, 05:39 AM
Just saw episode 6 and I counted atleast 5 eva references.Near the end reminded me of the Shadow angel battle 'cept it didn't take as long as in eva. Still I like the series,something about it makes me keep on watching.Probably since the story seems familer and Iam hoping for something equal to eva.I will say that the artwork is better then eva.Some of the scenes are just oustanding in their beauty(check the attachment).I love the ending song and animation,makes me all nostalgic...




~klinky

Westlo
16-03-2002, 07:06 AM
26 episodes in this series

And of course Rahxephon has better animation than eva does. It's been 7 or so years and Escaflowne had better animation in the same year anyway. Rahxephon is also worked on by ex sunrise members who did the escaflowne and cowboy bebop movies and Yoko Kanno (Macross Plus, Escaflowne, Cowboy Bebop) does the music.


Also if you haven't seen Gunbuster i highly recommend watching it, i'm trying to aquire it again after having seen it ages ago. And look forward to Gunbuster 2 later this year Ryoma

klinky
16-03-2002, 07:16 AM
Hey you can watch Gunbusters(up to episode six...not sure how many there are total) off of Sputnik7.I've yet to see it there since I don't like dubs :D - url is http://www.sputnik7.com/vod/


~klinky

Kizzim
16-03-2002, 11:18 AM
Originally posted by Ryoma


You just don't get it do you? What are you going to argue about next, the Earth is flat? I am doubting more and more you have even seen Gunbuster because your arguements are falling flat on their face. But here we go again:
Noriko= Shinji.
School age child who has tragically lost a parent at a young age and still deals with that trama. Strives to find a purpose in live and strives to be noticed by others. Is chosen for no apparent reason to pilot a giant mecha that the future of the human race depends on against a mysterious enemy that wants to destroy all human life. Reluctantly pilots only because they don't know any other choice in life. Suffer a complete breakdown, quit the mecha and refuse to pilot, only to return when friends and loved ones are in danger. Who am I talking about?
Asuka = Jung.
School age girl, red hair, who is a certified genius. A master of tactics and battle. A foreigner who is quite proud of their heritage. Intensely competative, going so far as to attempt to upstage everyone around her. Loud and opinionated, she is ruthless in battle as demonstrated by one scene in which she dives into the depths of a superheated enviroment, ignoring the fact her mecha is slowly being crushed she presses forward to complete the mission. Who am I talking about?
Gendo= Trainer
Wears glasses, is obcessed with defeating his enemy, no matter the cost. Is always under control, yet a man of few words. Chooses a pilot for the special mecha that no one agrees with nor can understand. Has an agenda to get the reluctant pilot ready for the coming battle. Is forced to confront said mecha pilot when their confidence and self worth are at an all time low. Tells them they must chose to either fight, or die. A cold person who outwardly projects nothing but indifference toward all, but inside beats the heart of a passionate man who will pull whatever strings needed to accomplish his goals. Who am I talking about?

And why don't you read what you post for links? First off, none of the links are experts, especially at Amazon, but why don't you scroll down in the Amazon post and read the review that says Jung is the prototype Asuka...oops.

Hey, you can call Gunbuster whatever you like...parody...space opera...drama...I don't care. The point is that I didn't laugh at one thing other then the chibi technical discussions in between eps after ep 3. So if you think it's a parody I find your definition of humor to be quite broad... Heck that ending must have had you in stiches, talk about laugh out loud. *sarcasm*

Is Eva a direct copy of Gunbuster...NO...does it borrow elements, absolutely. That being the case, I guess I should complain that Rah is a rip off of Gunbuster then?

BTW, isn't Rah only available via fansubs? Last I read you thought those were killing the industry. Apparently times have changed.

Your an idiot...

Noriko:

Her father, Admiral Takaya, commanded a starship and as a little girl she dreamed of following in his footsteps. His death only served to strengthen her resolve to one day go into space. She went on to attend the Okinawa High School for Girls where she received training in space robot combat. With advice from her "big sister" Kazumi Amano and Coach Ota she became part of the TOP squadron and defended earth from the aliens.

// Does that sound like Shinji to you?

Trainer:

Coach Ota was a lieutenant on the Lukushiyon until it was destroyed. Ota has pledged to protect Admiral Takaya, but in the end it was Takaya that saved Ota's life by ordering him into an escape ship moments before the final alien attack. Upon returning to Earth, Ota became head coach of RX training at the Okinawa Girls School and singles out Noriko for intensive training. No ordinary instructor, Ota was an integral part of the Gunbuster project and came up with the daring plan to wipe out the aliens by creating a black hole. He kept his feelings for Kazumi and the true nature of his space sickness hidden so as not to weaken her fighting ability which was crucial to the survival of the human race

// Doesnt sound like friggin Gendo to me bro, Gendo had his own
// agenda and it surely wasnt the safety of the Eva pilots.

Jung:

A russian space pilot, very competetive.

// I can see them using a little bit of Jung for Asuka, but definatly
// not everything about her.


Im starting to doubt your knowledge of the series.

Ryoma
16-03-2002, 12:04 PM
I fail to see why you make this personal, but whatever...

Yup, every single thing you said about the characters is true...but you failed to address EVEN ONE OF MY POINTS about the similarity between them. NOT ONE. Your post is a complete waste of bandwidth.

Either address the similar issues or go away... I never said the characters were carbon copies, I said Anno used ELEMENTS of them in Eva, not to mention music and some of the plot. Deal with it...

Westlo- I can't wait for GB2...and I am interested to see how they pick up the plot, the ending was sorta final.

Klinky- GB is only 6 eps, and it's never been dubbed...

4 eps into Rah and it has some Eva/GB feel to it, but I'm liking the direction it's going. I hope somebody picks it up over here.

Kizzim
16-03-2002, 01:09 PM
Ive watched up to Rahxephon 6, and the similariles are only getting stronger. I still fail to see your similarities in the characters, thats why i refuted your arguement.

klinky
16-03-2002, 03:13 PM
"Klinky- GB is only 6 eps, and it's never been dubbed... "

Whoa?!

Okay then I musta got confused there then,could have swarn it was dubbed...maybe I was thinking of the Giant Robo episodes there. my bad then :p


~klinky

Sheex, The Dark Stalker
16-03-2002, 08:08 PM
So what you're basically saying Kizzim is that Eva doesn't copy stuff like Gunbuster and Mobile Suit Gundam because they're not exact 100% copies/ripoffs/homages/whatever, yet if RahXephon contains something that has even a sliver of a resemblence to something that probably didn't originate in Eva in the first place, its a ripoff. Thats it, isn't it?

You're the perfect example of why hardcore obsessed Eva fans are driving me further and further away from the show that I enjoyed immensely, but felt repulsed by the insane attitude of so many of the fans. People like you give the Eva fandom a bad name.

Got one more thing to add...

The point of evangelion wasnt because of the kewl mecha, but rather the main characters in the story. If you sit down and friggin read what im trying to tell you, you will notice the same in Rahxephon. Its immidiate that the director is trying to give that evangelion character battle thing going on just wants to put mecha in second tier. Even the way he does it closely resembles Evangelion.

I seem to remember a certain Gundam OVA called War in the Pocket that came out 5+ years before Eva that while having mechas, focused much more on the characters. So if we're talking ripoffs, shouldn't we be saying both ripped of Gundam 0080? :rolleyes:

On the subject of Gunbuster, how would I obtain it? (Legally of course). Is it on VHS, DVD, what? I've been wanting to see this for a while because of all the Eva connections.

klinky
16-03-2002, 08:49 PM
hey fools you're all a rip off of your mother and father so there! HA HA !


~klinky

Westlo
16-03-2002, 09:45 PM
You're the perfect example of why hardcore obsessed Eva fans are driving me further and further away from the show that I enjoyed immensely, but felt repulsed by the insane attitude of so many of the fans. People like you give the Eva fandom a bad name

Yep that about sums it up for me, every anime has it's hardcore "misled" anime fans but evas are the worst.

Kizzim have you really watched Gunbuster, or did you just look up info on it around the web. The way you answered Ryomas points has me believeing you looked up a webpage, since his (right and valid) points went over your head, and you answered back with something that would come from a character bio page.

Ryoma, Sheex i sometimes wonder why we bother with idiots like kizzim

Ryoma
17-03-2002, 09:30 AM
Sheex, Gunbuster is out on VHS from Manga and the DVD is supposed to be released in June or July. Of course being Manga who really knows. BTW, I'm talking USA here...

Westlo- You nailed it right on the head. I was thinking about it and it occured to me. If Eva has a few similar characteristics from another series its not ripping it off, but if Rahxephon has a few similarities its a blatant copy and is exploiting Eva. Very hypocritical.

Thanks for pointing that out and saving me from typing.

Drizzten
17-03-2002, 02:29 PM
Kizzim and Westlo...one more personally-directed insult, and you'll both get a warning. That goes for everyone else as well. If you can't discuss it in a mature manner, then go somewhere else.

I'm about ready to close this thread.

artificial_man
18-03-2002, 02:31 AM
:eek:

thedarkmarine
18-03-2002, 06:19 PM
Ya, look what you started AM...

Anyways

From Animaxis (http://www.Animaxis.com)

•Region: Japan
•Category: Anime
•Date: March 15, 2002


Yutaka Debuchi's first production, "RAHXEPHON" DVD Release

"RAHXEPHON", broadcast on Fuji-TV affiliated stations every Monday at 16:25 from this Jan 21 will be released on DVD on May 31st. This is the first production by Yutaka Debuchi, famous for the mechanical design of "Mobile Police Patlabor" and "Mobile Suit Gundam - Char's Counterattack". The character design is by Akihiro Yamada, the mechanical design by Yoshinori Sayama.

Differing from the robots appearing in past anime, RAHXEPHON boasts a mystical beauty. Check out the official site for more information on this work.

The special bonus of the first press of the first volume of RAHXEPHON is a special five DVD holding box created by Yutaka Debuchi. ANIMAXIS is now taking advanced reservations for this item. The release schedule for Volume 2 on is as follows:

Vol 2: June 28
Vol 3: July 26
Vol 4: Aug 30
Vol 5: Sept 27

Westlo
26-03-2002, 09:00 AM
Character Design Akihiro Yamada
Animation Character Hiroki Kanno
( Escaflowne, Cowboy Bebop )
Mechanical Design Michiaki Sato
Yoshinori Sayama
( Gundam: Char's Counterattack, Cowboy Bebop )
Design Works Shingo Takeba
( Gasaraki, Nadesico )
Art Concept Kazutaka Miyatake
( Space Battleship Yamato )
Animation Director Hirotoshi Sano
( Gundam 0083:Stardust Memory)

Quite a few Sunrise titles these people have done

As for RahXephon itself i've watched upto ep 5 now and i'm loving it.

Westlo
29-03-2002, 11:20 AM
Finally after eons RahXephon 07 is out

and i stuffed up Yoko Kanno only did the music for the opening theme (much like Record Of Lodoss Wars TV, that theme rocked) the music was done by some other chick and i'll post that info later

Kizzim
31-03-2002, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by Ryoma
Sheex, Gunbuster is out on VHS from Manga and the DVD is supposed to be released in June or July. Of course being Manga who really knows. BTW, I'm talking USA here...

Westlo- You nailed it right on the head. I was thinking about it and it occured to me. If Eva has a few similar characteristics from another series its not ripping it off, but if Rahxephon has a few similarities its a blatant copy and is exploiting Eva. Very hypocritical.

Thanks for pointing that out and saving me from typing.

Ohhh yeah similarities

Gunbuster: the teacher wears glasses like the head of Nerv guy.

Rahxephon: The main character has a personality almost exact to shinji, situation is the same, the main character has had 3 or so women shoved into his life that try to control, manipulate and seduce him.

Gunbuster: the mecha were designed by the same guy. Although have no resemblence what so ever.

Rahxephon: Mecha look almost identical, both stolen alien technology that only certain people can control. Both Mecha seem to have a life of their own, sometimes controlling themselves and going beyond their usual programs.

Gunbuster: Can you think of anything else? probably not.

Rahxephon: Everytime they fight a new D-whatever, it seems to be a new design and something new to overcome, just like the Evas fighting the angels.


You cannot ignore these HUGE similiarities, usually series will have one or two little stolen tidbits, but these are huge and very noticable, i didnt bother posting the little things, because someone a few posts before mine did it.

Kizzim
31-03-2002, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by Westlo
You're the perfect example of why hardcore obsessed Eva fans are driving me further and further away from the show that I enjoyed immensely, but felt repulsed by the insane attitude of so many of the fans. People like you give the Eva fandom a bad name


I could say the same thing about Kenshin fans or Hellsing fans, or even Full Metal Panic Fans.

Personally people like you sicken me Westlo and its time I started a thread about people like you. This isnt a personal attack, but its a observation about two different kinds of anime people and why they dont get along.

Look for the thread: 'I have anime and no life', in the general forum.

thedarkmarine
31-03-2002, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by Kizzim


Ohhh yeah similarities

Gunbuster: the teacher wears glasses like the head of Nerv guy.

Rahxephon: The main character has a personality almost exact to shinji, situation is the same, the main character has had 3 or so women shoved into his life that try to control, manipulate and seduce him.

Gunbuster: the mecha were designed by the same guy. Although have no resemblence what so ever.

Rahxephon: Mecha look almost identical, both stolen alien technology that only certain people can control. Both Mecha seem to have a life of their own, sometimes controlling themselves and going beyond their usual programs.

Gunbuster: Can you think of anything else? probably not.

Rahxephon: Everytime they fight a new D-whatever, it seems to be a new design and something new to overcome, just like the Evas fighting the angels.


You cannot ignore these HUGE similiarities, usually series will have one or two little stolen tidbits, but these are huge and very noticable, i didnt bother posting the little things, because someone a few posts before mine did it.

Note that the story, the actual substance is COMPLETELY different. These similarities are all cosmetic.

Kizzim
31-03-2002, 11:17 PM
Originally posted by thedarkmarine


Note that the story, the actual substance is COMPLETELY different. These similarities are all cosmetic.

ARE YOU SMOKING CRACK?!?!

Rahxephon: From what we know alien invaders have attacked earth, their purpose unknown so far, they are attacking with humanoid looking mecha. The only hope is a young boy piloting mecha created using alien technology. The boy must overcome his fears, solve a mystery, and accept life and the difficulties which lie withen it.

Evangelion: Aliens attack, humans using alien technology create mecha to battle them. The only hope is a young boy and a few other pilots using mecha created using alien technology. The boy must overcome his fears, solve a mystery, and accept life and the diffuclties which lie withen it.

Okay, and how do you not see the major likeness?

These are MAJOR plot points, just like the points i made earlier, those are not mearly cosmetic, they seriously effect the series. I cant beleive you listened to these peoples drivel and changed yer earlier opinion. oh well.

thedarkmarine
01-04-2002, 12:04 AM
Is eva about mecha fights?
It's a PLOT DEVICE.

So they use a same plot device. Big deal. Frankly, if the mecha fights kickass in both, but we still know ziltch about what Rah is really going after.

thedarkmarine
01-04-2002, 01:37 AM
Um, ya, I just realized you said I changed my opinions. Note that I was always on their side. Why I stated the similarities, I wanted to point out their cosmetic qualities, no substance.

I hate this: disrespect or animosity between fellow members from a simple difference of opinions. Note Kizzim, I do not dislike you or anything like that. I respect you, especially because you defend your beliefs SOLID, and is willing to change and not be stubborn (fansubs).

Kizzim
01-04-2002, 09:50 AM
Originally posted by thedarkmarine
Um, ya, I just realized you said I changed my opinions. Note that I was always on their side. Why I stated the similarities, I wanted to point out their cosmetic qualities, no substance.

I hate this: disrespect or animosity between fellow members from a simple difference of opinions. Note Kizzim, I do not dislike you or anything like that. I respect you, especially because you defend your beliefs SOLID, and is willing to change and not be stubborn (fansubs).

Its not like i hate you or anything, its just im getting frustrated in trying to explain my reasoning to others. There seems to be just about as much mecha combat with Rahxephon as Evangelion, and they both seem to have alot of the same plot ideas. And its not like i hate RahXephon either, if anything the Eva similiarities make it worth watching, I have up to episode 7. At first i was hating it because i found the main character downright sickining in that he was even more of a coward than shinji, but then he got better. And the supporting cast is allright to, so i think ill stick around and found out whats gonna happen next.

Westlo
01-04-2002, 11:18 AM
You clearly don't get it or never will

And yes the aliens attack earth and theirs only one person who can save it in an alien/super mecha is really original for like the 70's :P

As for your thread well, it has so many hypocrital and laughable statements in it.

I want your opinions, not ones of a site and yet in this very thread you posted a amazon thingy on gunbuster with a whole heap of opinions that weren't yours.

Trust me I'm not taking it as a personal attack, i find it quite funny but enough of that thread in this thread.

At first i was hating it because i found the main character downright sickining in that he was even more of a coward than shinji,

How is he more cowardly than Shinji, i don't recall a I mustn't run away scene in the first episode and he run away from a complete stranger not his father (in eva) in the 3rd episode

Now let me try and go over what ryoma said but i'll make it more simplier for you.

Gendo and Trainer issue

Wears glasses Heck even you agree with that point

is obcessed with defeating his enemy, no matter the cost Well the trainer is are you saying Gendo isn't?

Is always under control, yet a man of few words. Sounds like Gendo as well

Chooses a pilot for the special mecha that no one agrees with nor can understand. Why did Gendo choose Shinji, Why did the trainer choose Noriko? These aren't explained at the start are their choices make us wonder.

Has an agenda to get the reluctant pilot ready for the coming battle You agree that Gendo had an agenda, nah he just decided to do 3rd impact for the fun of it

Is forced to confront said mecha pilot when their confidence and self worth are at an all time low. Tells them they must chose to either fight, or die You disagree?

A cold person who outwardly projects nothing but indifference toward all, but inside beats the heart of a passionate man who will pull whatever strings needed to accomplish his goals. Sounds like Gendo again

These characters are extremely similar and you would be a fool to disagree, no ones saying that EVA is a complete ripoff of Gunbuster and no one is denying that rahxephon borrows some elements from EVA and other animes (Every anime borrows of something, every median does). You were the one who came in here complaining that RAHXephon was an out and out copy of NGE.

Gunbuster: the mecha were designed by the same guy. Although have no resemblence what so ever.

If you think were talking about the mecha you have something wrong with you, the characters are what drive an anime (don't you agree?) and Gunbuster has protoype characters for NGE.

Ilex201
01-04-2002, 12:17 PM
Hello everyone,
this is my first post on this board, so i'll try to give this thread a new direction.:D

Someone here compared Reika with Rei. (no, i don't want to go into the old "it's an EVA-Clone discussion!)
While Rei is not a human, she exists physically in the world.
But with Reika i am not so sure.

1. She appears and disappears at will in Ep. 1, i.e. when Haruka rescues Ayato.

2. In Ep. 2 when Ayato talks to his friends in school:

Ayato: "I met Reika and we......"

Asahina: "I don't know what you are talking about?" ( She obviously doesn't know any Reika.) And then Reika is suddenly there.

Reika:"Good Morning" Asahina stares at her with a blank expression for a few seconds, then..

Asahina:" What's the matter, Reika? It,s unusual...." It's the same effect as when Ayato sees her the first time.

3. After the school Ayato and Reika talk to each other near the pool. Reika leaves no mirror image in the water!

4. Ayatos phonecall to Reika. When his mother redials the number it says that the number is not in service.

All this is evidence that Reika isn't "real".
So what do you think about this, or even better have you noticed similar things in the later episodes.

thedarkmarine
01-04-2002, 12:22 PM
Welcome to the boards. Have fun, and make friends.

Now that you said it, she might be Ayato's imaginary friend. :D
More seriously put, his mental support.

Westlo
01-04-2002, 12:25 PM
Welcome to the boards and enjoy your stay

Nice to see some actual discussion on RahXephon itself now

Well I would tend to agree with you and i haven't really noticed anything else about Reika in the later eps since shes been in it so sparingly. She seems to motivate Ayato to win his battles, she could be a figment of Ayatos mind, who knows?

But finding out is going to be fun :D

Ryoma
01-04-2002, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by Kizzim


Ohhh yeah similarities

Gunbuster: the teacher wears glasses like the head of Nerv guy.

Rahxephon: The main character has a personality almost exact to shinji, situation is the same, the main character has had 3 or so women shoved into his life that try to control, manipulate and seduce him.

Gunbuster: the mecha were designed by the same guy. Although have no resemblence what so ever.

Rahxephon: Mecha look almost identical, both stolen alien technology that only certain people can control. Both Mecha seem to have a life of their own, sometimes controlling themselves and going beyond their usual programs.

Gunbuster: Can you think of anything else? probably not.

Rahxephon: Everytime they fight a new D-whatever, it seems to be a new design and something new to overcome, just like the Evas fighting the angels.


You cannot ignore these HUGE similiarities, usually series will have one or two little stolen tidbits, but these are huge and very noticable, i didnt bother posting the little things, because someone a few posts before mine did it.

First off let me say I am sorry to yet again get this thread off of discussing the actual anime RahXephon, and back to the Gunbuster vs Eva thing. Personally I thought it was dead but somebody had to pull it back.

Kizzim, still awaiting for you to address either address the MAIN similarities between Eva and Gunbuster:
Noriko = Shinji
Jung = Asuka
Strange, powerful unknown alien force is attacking Earth for unknown reasons, causing Earth forces to develop giant mecha to defend themselves = strange, powerful unknown alien force is attacking Earth for unknown reason, causing Earth forces to develop giant mecha to defend themselves...

I never said the mecha in GB and Eva were even REMOTELY the same...so what's your point?

As for RahXephon's enemies having new designs and requiring something new to overcome...I suggest you watch just about any mecha anime between the years 1970 and 2002. Except for any Gundam...those plots differ then the standard giant mecha. Pick one...Getter Robo, Gaiking, Danguard Ace, Dancougar, Grendizer, Gaogaigar, Jeeg, Raideen, Z Mind, Eva, Big O...ect. It's called "monster of the week," and it's a standard plot device that has been in use forever. "Heroic robot fights against a new, more powerful enemy...hero seems to be losing...heroic robot either a. gains new more powerful weapons or b. finds some unknown ability to defeat the enemy."

I can't see why you can't let this issue die. You continually dredge it back up, each time with weaker and weaker arguements. I've seen Gunbuster, I've seen Eva. I see the similarities. I know people who have seen both, and they too see it. No one is bashing Gunbuster or Eva over it, so what is the problem? Please stop chasing windmills and let it go...

Kizzim
01-04-2002, 02:43 PM
Okay, i get what yer saying now, that RahXephon has just brough absolutely nothing new or exciting to the Anime World. Ill shut up now, thanks for clearing that up.

mtyoo
01-04-2002, 08:54 PM
All this is evidence that Reika isn't "real".

Yes, pretty mysterious neh? :) Reika seems pretty much connected to the rahxephon unit, so I could suppose that she's some sort of "snazzy" interface for rahxephon to allow ayato to control the unit, like an ai. Or maybe she's a personification of rahxephon. Well, we can only wait for the new episodes to find out more about her.

This series has a significantly higher production quality than most other recent anime; it'd be interesting to know what kind of budget they are working with for rah. God, I love eye-candy.

Westlo
02-04-2002, 10:26 AM
Acts all rightoues and hardcore since Kizzim has typecasted me as being so, try to imagine bad lip snyching to this

Foolish Kizzim, your arguments make me laugh

AHAHAHAHAHA

You say RahXephon bring nothing new, you peon i laugh again

AHAHAHAHAHA

I can say the same about NGE after 7 eps infidel

AHHAHAHAHAA

I crush your puny arguments you try hard l33t

AHAHAHAHAHAH

gets sick of playing the elistist, hardcore no life person Kiziim has typecasted as

Though someone might find it hard to believe i don't know the answer to this, but I do know it's made by former employees of Sunrise, who worked on series such as Escaflowne, Cowboy Bebop and various Gundam series so it's not hard to see they would have some backers with money.

How did I find out this stuff, the fansubber release a txt file with info on the series and it takes 20 secs to read, but some one might believe I scour the net 24/7 cuz I have no life :p

Fatal Outlaw
02-04-2002, 07:43 PM
looking through the arguments in this thread made me not want to watch rahxephon for some reason. all i keep hearing is this and that etc etc.

bottomline here is that kizzim doesnt know anything. take the toonami/adult swim line up thread for example, he says something and tries to prove it by posting his source, while his source proved him wrong, what an idiot.

Kizzim
02-04-2002, 07:49 PM
I cant help that you cannot read plain english Fatal Outlaw. Id like to point out that atleast the people i argue with in this thread have SOME intellegence, rather than your ZERO intellegence.

hGh
02-04-2002, 08:08 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ! :splat:

You ppl need to chill !

start of slightly offtopic rant

I removed the rant... as it seemed too offtopic :p

end of slightly offtopic rant

Sheex, The Dark Stalker
02-04-2002, 08:13 PM
Originally posted by Kizzim


ARE YOU SMOKING CRACK?!?!

Rahxephon: From what we know alien invaders have attacked earth, their purpose unknown so far, they are attacking with humanoid looking mecha. The only hope is a young boy piloting mecha created using alien technology. The boy must overcome his fears, solve a mystery, and accept life and the difficulties which lie withen it.


DO YOU HAVE A BRAIN!? HAVE YOU EVEN SEEN EVA?!?

Evangelion: Aliens(The Angels are never presented as aliens. They were on Earth the whole time except for the Pheonix one) attack, humans using alien technology(Except its not Alien technology in Eva!!!!!) create mecha to battle them. The only hope is a young boy and a few other pilots using mecha created using alien technology(See previous. The boy must overcome his fears(Shinji never overcomes his fears), solve a mystery, and accept life and the diffuclties which lie withen it.(Which he never does, even in the last 2 episodes)


Okay, i get what yer saying now, that RahXephon has just brough absolutely nothing new or exciting to the Anime World. Ill shut up now, thanks for clearing that up.
And neither did Evangelion. Too bad people, including you, are too lazy to notice.

Fatal Outlaw
02-04-2002, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by Kizzim
I cant help that you cannot read plain english Fatal Outlaw. Id like to point out that atleast the people i argue with in this thread have SOME intellegence, rather than your ZERO intellegence.

you are f'king stupid. im talking about a completly different thing while youre talking about another thing. you are such an idiot you probably came out of your mom's ass.

hGh
02-04-2002, 08:41 PM
jeesus... *showers evrybody with cold water and gives out some sweet candy* :kawaii:

And lets agree that nobody pulled anybody out of any ass... mmkey :D

Fatal Outlaw
02-04-2002, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by hGh
And lets agree that nobody pulled anybody out of any ass... mmkey :D
ok, but i just feel so sorry for kizzim's dad...for wasting his sperm on his puny little ----------- of a son. (:heh: hopefully that doesnt get me banned)

<this next question does not apply to kizzim>
ok, what is rahxephon about (please give a summary like something youd see in the back of a dvd-box)? im deciding if i should see this first and FMP second...might as well ask, which is better in your opinion, rahxephon, or Full metal panic?

Torkm
02-04-2002, 10:42 PM
Originally posted by Fatal Outlaw

ok, but i just feel so sorry for kizzim's dad...for wasting his sperm on his puny little ----------- of a son. (:heh: hopefully that doesnt get me banned)


:mad: Excuse me!?

I guess that you DID NOT read the forum rules properly.

http://animeboards.com/rules.php

° NO insulting or personal attacks on other members - do not flame each other!

If you do this again, you will be offically warned.

Fatal Outlaw and Sheex - This applies to you both too.

thedarkmarine
02-04-2002, 11:52 PM
Anyways, I found FMP more fun, but I'm still in love with Rah.

I'll compare it this way: FMP is more like Nadesico, and Rah is like a happier Eva.

Fatal Outlaw
03-04-2002, 12:09 AM
Originally posted by Torkm


:mad: Excuse me!?

I guess that you DID NOT read the forum rules properly.

http://animeboards.com/rules.php

° NO insulting or personal attacks on other members - do not flame each other!

If you do this again, you will be offically warned.

Fatal Outlaw and Sheex - This applies to you both too.

:lol: its funny how mods just pop up when you do someting wrong

anyway, how about violence? is it like eva?

Drizzten
03-04-2002, 02:27 AM
I'm getting sick of reading these whiny, conceited, childishly sarcastic, and insulting "arguements." I've closed the FMP thread. I have even more reasons to close this one.

However, I'm going to leave it open as an experiment. The rules of this experiment are simple.

The next off-topic and vaguely insulting post gets a warning. Two off-topic posts in a row get the thread closed and a warning for both posters. If I have to close the thread, I will start being an extreme hard-ass on all the other threads in this forum.
You don't want that.
Says Fatal Outlaw:
[Kizzim] says something and tries to prove it by posting his source, while his source proved him wrong, what an idiot.
...
you are f'king stupid. im talking about a completly different thing while youre talking about another thing. you are such an idiot you probably came out of your mom's ass.
...
ok, but i just feel so sorry for kizzim's dad...for wasting his sperm on his puny little ----------- of a son.
[Fatal Outlaw, you get a warning. Your behavior is disgusting.]

I will become (even more?) pedantic and annoying-as-hell if you people cannot discuss anime CALMLY and REASONABLY.

Westlo
03-04-2002, 02:31 AM
RahXephon or Full Metal Panic hmmmm

These comments are said after viewing the first 7 episodes of RahXephon and the first 9 of Full Metal Panic and 9 as well of Nadesico

I like the animation in RahXephon better, I like the music in it better, the characters are better and the mecha fighting scenes are much more wow inducing than Full Metal Panic's.

Full Metal Panics animation is also top notch I just prefer RahXephons style. The music style of Full Metal Panic is something out of the A team hehe though the opening and ending songs are excellent (as well as the trailer)

Comedy Full Metal Panic is much better than RahXephon (Though its nowhere near Nadesico), I would compare RahXephon comedy to say NGE comedy.

you get fansubs via tapes right Fatal Outlaw?

I would suggest getting the first tapes of both series and then make a choice after that, but Full Metal panic is much more easier to get into than Rahxephon. Rah shines around eps 3-4 and onwards

Westlo
03-04-2002, 12:28 PM
Well Episode 8 of RahXephon is out^^ and i thought I'll post something I saw on a site

Hailed Anime / Games Musical Composer Yoko Kanno has officially been announced to compose some musical elements of BONES forthcoming Rahxephon TV anime. Kanno's name and talent is added to a list of others that represent one of the most all-star lineups attached to a TV anime project in recent years. Presently Kanno is confirmed to compose the music to seiyuu Maaya Sakamoto's OP for Rahxephon entitled "Hemisphere".

Based on the manga by Takeaki Momose and Yutaka Izubuchi (mecha-designer for GASARAKI, AURA BATTLER DUNBINE, PATLABOR, GUNDAM: CHAR´S COUNTERATTACK etc.), Rahxephon, a Scifi TV anime series to begin airing on Fuji TV. The show's staff will be headed by premium talents as well including Director / Rahxephon Designer Yutaka Izubuchi (Mechanical Designs: Patlabor OVA), Chara Designer Akihiro Yamada (Illustrator: Lodoss War), and Mecha Designer Michiaki Sato (Producer: Earth Girl Arjuna). The plot occurs on Earth in Japan where in the year 2012 an "intruder" appears in Tokyo's sky called the "MU". An autonomous region called " TOKYO JUPITER " is formed in response to the threat and the viewers are flashed forward to the present: 2027. Tokyo Jupiter consists of a dome type, self contained city 150km in diameter centered from Tokyo Haneda airport and extending out over open sea. A high school student must meet his challenge in this world threatened by unknowns. Broadcast is set for Mondays from January 21st at 4: 25 on Fuji TV. Seiyuu include Maaya Sakamoto (Escaflowne).

Also TDM how accurate did you think my descriptiosn for RahXephon compared to FMP were?

thedarkmarine
03-04-2002, 12:51 PM
Yes, comedy wise, Rah is very much like Eva. Same with fanservice. It's not as depressing but just as wierd.

About FMP, I was always dissappointed by the eps 1-6 cause they were too short. I always wanted more. 7 and 8 were the real cookie. Unfortunatly, I haven't been able to get any more. :(

Each ep of Rah is very satisfying though.

Kizzim
05-04-2002, 01:37 PM
omg, the first 4 episodes of RahXephon were horrible. It didnt even start getting semi-decent until around 5 or 6.

klinky
05-04-2002, 07:02 PM
Rah is winning out over FMP with me right now. Iam about to fall asleep in FMP now. When it first started I thought Rah was totally lame and all. Now, FMP is going on some sort of generic plot tangeant and it's annoying. Rah seems a little fresh and different and has those damn Eva tie ins. Haruka enjoys drinking....doesn't that sound like someone we know(points at obvious avatar).


~klinky

thedarkmarine
05-04-2002, 07:23 PM
Different strokes for different folks.

Westlo
07-04-2002, 06:41 PM
Something that could indicate what may happen in future RahXephon episodes is the time slot change.

It's moved to 1:45am Tuesday (and then chobits is on afterwards lucky japs!) in japan now so future episodes may be more violent and no kizzim it didn't get moved because ppl disliked it in fact in a recent survey for popular anime in Febuary RahXephon came 9th while Full Metal Panic came 11th and this survey was dominated by animes that started showing in october (and hence were nearly finished).

So me, Klinky and Snake Eyes prefers Rah over FMP while Kizzim prefers FMP and TDM can't choose, wait yes he can EXCEL SAGA!!

EvaRobby
10-04-2002, 05:35 AM
I haven't exactly read all of the earlier posts, or seen the anime (yet), though you people saying it's like Eva only makes me want to see it more :heh:
I was directed here by Westlo as well, but don't go making any assumptions from that

*BEGIN DECENT CONTENT*

Anyway, I think you people should see the whole series before you judge it either as a rip-off or not, now if the series at the end suddenly has 2 eps of nothing but mind rambles (which I actually happen to like :heh: ) to end the series, then I'm pretty sure I'll think of it as a clone.
Though many of you have noticed lots of similarities, and others have noted differences, the part of Evangelion that really tends to make it distinguished and loved is the last part of the series (though admittedly the last 2 episodes aren't too popular -_-), so I think you should at least wait until you've seen it all before condemning it or building a shrine or something...
Anyway, I doubt that even this anime would be liked as much by me as Eva, which I worship, for a certain reason, that NO other anime can do for me, no matter how good it is...

*END DECENT CONTENT*

ohwell, cheerio... oh and BTW, for all you people who hate or dis Shinji, "you suck" ^_^

Westlo
10-04-2002, 07:30 AM
Directed at Evarobby only

You didn't have to post i just said to look at the pathetic examples an individual has been using to say something is a clone of another, this better not flair up again because it will be my fault.........

Though you did make some vaild points such as actually watching the whole series before you judge it as a rip off or not

Anywayz shinji does suck and you shouldn't go into most annoying anime ppl thread because lots of ppl apparantly dislike shinji

end



RahXephon 09 has been released and episode 08 was a corker









Spoilers For Ep 8

Got to see RahXephon use quite abit of power and it seems Haruka and Ayatos relationship is improving alot. Also seems to be a love triangel between Megumi and her friend and that guy I can't recall his name atm :heh:

The preview for episode 9 looked interesting I was sold on Reika being something Ayato created/ though up yet you see her talking to Quon-san. Are Reika and Quon-san connected and in what way?

Also that reporter is lurking in the background and you can tell he knows alot more than you would have first thought

Also who was the person haruka couldn't forget and who the gloves were for in the first place

And talkabout a fanservice bombshell how big are they in the chick on the next ep preview second lietuant mcmahon or something like that

Heh this is probably the longest post in this thread that is actually about whats happening in rahxephon

Westlo
10-04-2002, 08:39 AM
just idle speculation



Does anyone else think that Haruka knowed and had a crush on Ayato before the MU war.

Ayato is now 17, he's suppose to be 29 which is the same age as Haruka

In the the national elementry student picture contest in the 2009 Ayato was in the 5th grade

It would explain why Haruka is so taken with him and why she always acts like a giddy schoolgirl around him

Megumi said that Haruka liked a boy but was never able to give him a present that she still keeps in her desk

Haruka gives Ayato gloves to wear since it's so cold

At the end of the episode Megumi sees Ayato giving back the gloves to Haruka and megumi is really surprised making a half comment about the gloves

Just idle speculation and i could be way of the mark

VPAM
10-04-2002, 10:43 AM
hehe westlo, how many boards did you post this on?

Westlo
10-04-2002, 10:55 AM
Just this one and the madman board I really want some other ppls views on this

I can't be sure of getting a reply on this board it will most likely erupt into a flame war

and you are <insert name> from madman boards?

Ilex201
10-04-2002, 02:43 PM
Don't worry about possible flame wars, at least don't worry about me. ;)
I had nearly the same thoughts on Haruka and Ayato.

possible spoilers for Ep 09







Ayato says something about that his memory was altered and he couldn't remember things before the MU-War. But in the end of ep9 he starts humming this song and Haruka obviously knows it. So it seems his memory is coming back.

What is really interesting is the relationship betweenAyato ,Quon and Reika. Ayato and Quon both are Orins, whatever that means.
:D
In Ayatos case it's (probably) that he's able to pilot Rahxephon, in Quons case i really don't know, but she is able to hear things out of the music.
And Reika is obviously no imagination of Ayato, but... well i really don't know. :D

Another interesting thing is Operation Overlord in Ep1 was planned only to get Ayato and that Haruka knew exactly what Rahxephon was when she first saw it. And now in Ep8 the TERRA - Boss, the guy with the eyepatch, comments on the red mark that Ayato has on his body: "I may have made him feel uncomfortable with that symbol." And Ayato told Megumi that he had this mark since he was born.To me that seems to mean he marked him as a Orin, especially because Quon has a similiar mark.

Any thoughts on this?

Westlo
12-04-2002, 01:26 AM
Just finished watching episode 9 (curse my damn modem!!)

as said before spoilers for ep 9






Yeah I'm pretty sure I'm right on the haruka and ayato thing. The way Haruka wouldn't give up in her search for Ayato and how she reacted when Ayato just said ah Haruka san because for him it had been 5 minutes not days. And as you said the song as well

And yeah the relationships are really interesting, Quon and Ayato, Ayato and Reika, Ayato and Haruka and now a new one between that inspector guy (he's up to something but what) and that chick who was in the dolem (I Reckon she will die during this series)

Reika seems to be a goddess or something, the inspector guy reffered to her as the loyal goddess or something like that

And hmm yeah their both orins and both have marks, are the marks exact opposites of each other? I would check but I leant out my first two cds of rahxephon to a friend.

Does this mean Quon could pilot RahXephon if she needed/wanted to since Reika appeared to her in the flesh.

Excellent series so far with many subplots going on I can't wait to see how this ends too bad the next episode is a recap ep but maybe they can do it real good somehow.....

klinky
16-04-2002, 08:15 AM
Ep8 Haruka gets a promotion and they have to have a party.....
<----Another purple haired chick got a promotion and her friends were over for a party...


Ep9 Ayato goes missing in sorta a soul-searching experience, Haruka didn't give up on him even though people were calling off the search, when he returned she held him in her arms and started crying..
<----another purple haired chick did this also when a certain wimpy got consumed in a large bio/mecha.


hmmm yes.....yes....

Iam laffing out loud when they do stuff like that.... Good stuff...

Still RahXephon is much better at the moment then filler-rama FMP :mad: - grrrrrrr.

~klinky

Ilex201
16-04-2002, 08:36 AM
In Ep. 8 it was a christmas party if i remember correct. And it's not so that "the other series" invented the tradition of celebrating a promotion. :D

There are some obvious jokes on NGE in RahXephon.
Look at this here:

Snake Eyes
16-04-2002, 08:47 AM
People who are out to make every other anime into an Eva clone will twist little things to make it so. Eva fanboys will even go so far as to say Eva influenced animes that came out before it did, that is how powerful it is. The fact that there are people in Rah Xephon is enough to make it a clone of Eva, isn't it? Eva was not all that great. It was full of freshman psych garbage and crappy characters. It was not terribly original either. Alas, I have stopped worrying about it. I am going to enjoy Rah Xephon for what it is, a show which is easily better than Eva was at this same point (animation wise and story wise), and is amazingly enjoyable. Will it hold up? Who knows, things could easily get worse. Somehow I doubt that will happen.

Westlo
16-04-2002, 09:57 AM
Ayato goes missing in sorta a soul-searching experience

Goes missing? I thought he and Quon were looking for Reika Mishima but thats me and I don't call wandering for 5 minutes in the tunnels a soul searching experience (remember what was days to everyone else was minutes to Ayato and Quon)

Ep9 Ayato goes missing in sorta a soul-searching experience, Haruka didn't give up on him even though people were calling off the search, when he returned she held him in her arms and started crying..
<----another purple haired chick did this also when a certain wimpy got consumed in a large bio/mecha.


Well misato didn't love Shinji while they were in school and then have something take over Tokyo which resulted in one of them losing his memories and ageing way slower than the other. So I think it was harder on Haruka than Misato and the idea of someone missing and being found later by a desperate searcher wasn't invented by Eva....

Also I just got NGE DVD volumes 1 and 2 today and looking at it misato's hair is blue not purple.......and Haruka-san has black hair.......

As for Haruka being a drunk ala Misato (this was another eva-rah ripoff thingy mentioned earlier) after seeing the later eps it's obvious why she got drunk and it was the only time in the series she did get drunk.
When the guy you loved many years ago not only doesn't remember you, yet tells you to not touch him as he thinks she betrayed him earlier. As you can see she is clearly shocked and got depressed and so drank with her friend, not because she's a drunk like Misato and no drinking because your depressed wasn't invented by eva......

I agree with Snake Eyes, RahXephon is much better at this point than NGE. Comparing eps 1-9 of both series RahXephon is so much better, the animation, music, character, mecha fights, sub plots

klinky
17-04-2002, 12:02 AM
I CAN'T BELIEVE I HAVE TO GO SO FART AS TO PROVE THAT SHE HAS PURPLE HAIR BY POSTING PICTURES!

HERE YOU CAN SEE. IT IS PURPLE P-U-R-P-L-E!
http://coolantx.hn.org/images/fake/haruka.jpg


That picture is from the series and not doctered!



But really Misato's hair does change in color, but overwhelmingly it is purple.... You want blue look at REi..
http://coolantx.hn.org/images/fake/misato-only.jpg

It does seem that Haruka has a more grey...I'd say ash color.... It's leaning towards purple.. .Okay maybe Iam just changing it because of my misato obession....

About the soul-searching experience and all. Shinji got lost in the Eva and had para-normal experiences.... So did Ayato...flying over tokyo Jupiter isn't strange? Then they both come back by being somewhat ejected out of what ever thing they wuz in. Then they have da ladies hold 'em in der arms and cry...... Yeah... okay maybe Haruka has more of a reason then Misato... You can get attached to someone within a few months... Maybe Ayato was a hotdog vendor that Haruka lusted over in RegularLand then she missed in when he went over to tokyo jupiter...Maybe they never met each other she just had a crush on him.. OH HA HA.. okay and that's not true most likely because her sister talked about a boyfriend earlier..so maybe there is reason...anyways Iam blathering...

...and I prefer the eva still over rahxephon.. but rahXephon is not a bad series and is one of the best I've seen in awhile ,even if lines of the script are ripped right from eva...

~klinky

Ilex201
17-04-2002, 01:28 AM
- irony mode on -
Damn! Can anybody help me? Who is Haruka and who is Misato on those pics above. I just can't tell them apart. They are so similar!


- irony mode off -

Westlo
17-04-2002, 01:53 AM
If anything her hair is inbetween purple and dark blue but i'm going with dark blue, its definately not purple dominated

It does seem that Haruka has a more grey...I'd say ash color.... It's leaning towards purple.. .Okay maybe Iam just changing it because of my misato obession....


Yep i would guess so but haruka would kick Misato's ass in a fight as demonstrated in ep 1 of rahxephon.....hm misato and haruka fighting sees klinky drooling

...and I prefer the eva still over rahxephon.. but rahXephon is not a bad series and is one of the best I've seen in awhile ,even if lines of the script are ripped right from eva...

lines such as?

Anyway I consider RahXephon the best anime since Cowboy Bebop which was the best since Vision Of Escaflowne which was the best since Neon Genesis Evangelion

Can we leave the RahXephon is a rip off of Neon Genesis which is A rip off of Gunbuster and mobile suit gundam discussions out of this thread from now on and just focus on rahxephon i think we had a chain of 4-5 posts without mentioning eva that must of hurt some people......

klinky
17-04-2002, 02:42 AM
The attachment is from RahXephon 05 & Eva 03.

Very similar context.. The wording is exactly the same too ;)

Anyways people Iam not saying RahXephon is bad. It just heavily borrows from Eva and has some pretty sound and music. Which is NOT bad. It does not follow Eva and is not exactly like Eva. I like both of them, but Eva will always have a special place in my heart.

You guys seem to think that Rah is a virgin series , full of new ideas and doesn't borrow from series past. The story is similar to Eva and I think they're trying to convey some of the same things Eva was.

Now refute all you want, but for every episode of RahXephon I seem to be able to find some sort of Eva reference in there. It's not that Iam a die-hard Eva fan, it's that the damn show reminds me of Eva. I've seen alot of anime, none of them have reminded me of Eva so much. Nadesico & Dual which are suppose to parody Eva didn't remind as much as this one does.

The creators of the series may not have meant it to be like that, but alas that is how it turned out. Anyways Iam trying not be argumentive here or anything. It's just the way I see it. RahXephon is not a new concept, but it's good and entertaining.

Different people like different things. I see alot of things going on where if someone attacks or questions a popular anime, Eva,Noir,Rahxephon,Full Metal Panic. Immediately people jump on him and flame him to bits or call him a idiot for not loving it to pieces....

~klinky

Westlo
17-04-2002, 10:53 AM
I don't believe Haruka said Iam I don't believe thats even a word ;) Also it's a completely different context

One is from the owner of the apartment to the boy who has had no friends

The other is from the new person in the house who welcomed back someone he had completely brushed off earlier who was coming back with a friend

What next if a character says hello, your going to screenshot that and compare them?

And as I said before NGE isn't exactly original, it's like Gunbuster and Mobile Suit Gundam combined with added religous themes in it and. Every mecha anime made today has been influenced by Mobile Suit Gundam including the almighty evangelion and a mecha anime I like better than eva that wasn't in any way influenced by the impact of eva would be vision of escaflowne and i could probably make a list with better examples of rahxephon being influenced by escaflowne........not much of a rip off considering bones worked on escaflowne as well.

And have you posted in this thread without mentioning eva?

Immediately people jump on him and flame him to bits or call him a idiot for not loving it to pieces....


I would say the eva fantatics are the worse in this regard taking immediate offense at anything that slights eva ever so slightly, look in the eva vs escaflowne thread in the second page of this forum for one example, look at this thread for dozens of examples

and um about people jumping on people who dislike full metal panic have you been reading the same thread i have? it's turned into a fmp is crap with filler ---- thread more than anything and i agree with that.

klinky
17-04-2002, 11:07 AM
RahXephon:
Ayato's a boy who has a mother who is distant, and she does top secret 'spooky' stuff with mecha's.... Haruka is looking after Ayato and they happen to live together and when they first meet at the house they say those words.

Evangelion:
Shinji's a boy who has a father who is distant, and he does top secret 'spooky' stuff with mecha's.... Misato is looking after Shinji and they happen to live together and when they first meet at the apartment they say those words.

~~~~~~~~~
Yes FMP has turned to filler crap and I agree. ;)
I've been 'attacked' in the Noir forum once. Of course most of these forums aren't meant for people who dislike a certain anime, they're for people who like it.

Anyways .. I've had enuf of the disput between Eva and Rah ;) ....

Rah is Rah.. Eva is Eva ;)

If you think about it hard enough Iam sure that any anime could be said to have influenced another anime..... Most anything can be argued about... I don't want to argue...

~klinky

Ilex201
17-04-2002, 12:32 PM
RahXephon:
Ayato's a boy who has a mother who is distant, and probably not his real mother, and not even human, and she does top secret 'spooky' stuff with mecha's.... Haruka is looking after Ayato and he happens to live with her uncle and when they first meet at her house they say those words.

Sorry, couldn't resist. :D

Btw, even when FMP is lately mostly filler, it's still enjoyable. (for me)

Snake Eyes
17-04-2002, 01:49 PM
I wouldn't say you have to like an anime to be welcome in certain forum. I'd say that people are tired of people who manipulate minor facts to try and draw insignificant bonds between animes just for the hope of unsettling others.


I guess the fact that Ayato has no clue what is going on with his mother, and is not motivated by pleasing her means nothing. While Shinji's father called upon him for the express purpose of having him pilot a "Mecha" for him, the whole time being under his watchful eye (and directly under his rule). Shinji is only piloting the Mecha to hear certain words from his father.

Also, the fact that shinji's father appears to favor Rei over shinji, but there is no such parallel in Rah Xephon as we have not seen much of his mother and know nothing of his father. We can all play this game, I just think its pointless.

Sheex, The Dark Stalker
17-04-2002, 03:23 PM
You guys seem to think that Rah is a virgin series , full of new ideas and doesn't borrow from series past. The story is similar to Eva and I think they're trying to convey some of the same things Eva was.

You have to stop thinking Eva's a virgin series. Eva's as unoriginal as they come. Steals from Mobile Suit Gundam. Steals from Gunbuster. Steals from Key the Metal Idol. Steals from the Abyss. And so on... Time to realize that neither show, just like 99.5% of every form of entertainment out there, isn't that original.

thething
17-04-2002, 06:30 PM
I don't think it's about orginality of an series but that everything or almost everything has been done before. I watched a bunch of the new animes that are comming out, and all of them has elements that reminds me of certain series that I've seen before.

If you convence yourself that an anime is simliar to another, you'll be more likely just to look for simlairties and comming up with connections rather than enjoying the anime.

I would rather enjoy the anime and lose myself in the storyline rather than picking and nagging at stuff that isn't "original".

klinky
19-04-2002, 02:07 AM
I get the ~vibe~ from you guys that Eva ain't got nuffin on Rah and we're saying Rah is very similiar to Eva, but isn't a complete rip off. Eva mixed the 'already used' concepts used in things like Gundamn or Gunbuster or Key(note Key came out in '94 one year before Eva, I doubt the staff of eva put production on hold while they were watching Key to copy off of it), but it mixed them really well, you two both hates da EvA it seems.

Just saying words "Eva was nothing special" crushes our little Eva inflated egos and we can't handle it and blurt out similarties between Eva and Rah which you guys right fully strike down by saying Eva wasn't original either and that it ripped off a bunch of other animes. Well then Rah isn't original either and is 'borrowing from' the best anime I can compare it to which would be Eva.

I've seen parts of Gundam & GunBuster and neither of them reminds me too much of Rahxephon. Those are your two main examples of where Eva was ripping off another anime. I admit that Eva did rip a little on Gunbuster, but they were different as in, Eva = 26 episodes, GunBuster = 6 episodes , we get a little rushed in Gunbuster & we have to sit through those annoying Thunder Kicks and Lightning Fists. Basically the characters and the settings were different but it gives off sorta same atmosphere, whoops sounds a little like RahXephon doesn't it... Tee hee.

We're not saying that Rah is bad, just that it takes a little from dah Eva sauce...god forbid you can't let precious Rah get tanted by someone saying it reminds them of Eva.

Anyways if someone said "If you like Eva you'll like RahXephon" would you guys 'attack' that person? We're just pin-pointing where the similarties occur. If I remember correctly Mr Westlo is suggesting things such as "Rah is good, Rah is soooo much better then Eva...", so we, the rabid Eva fans, must post back saying "damnit Rah is alot like Eva, so don't be wiggin 'bout all dat sheet or wee be up in your hood aight!?":lol:

~klinky

Westlo
19-04-2002, 02:42 AM
I admit that Eva did rip a little on Gunbuster, but they were different as in, Eva = 26 episodes, GunBuster = 6 episodes , we get a little rushed in Gunbuster & we have to sit through those annoying Thunder Kicks and Lightning Fists. Basically the characters and the settings were different but it gives off sorta same atmosphere, whoops sounds a little like RahXephon doesn't it... Tee hee.


Borrows a little bit?

It has shinji, asuka and gendo's basic characters in it already, you can say shinji is a new amuro rei from gundam, it apparantly borrows from key the metal idol to but i haven't seen that i'll let Sheex go on about that.

Anyways if someone said "If you like Eva you'll like RahXephon" would you guys 'attack' that person?

How bout this

If you like mecha animes with the generic monster of the week formula in it yet has something more underneath that you will like RahXephon.

Oh wait it's easier to say its similar to eva than to type that and anyway i and other ppl or some boards refer to it as eva with a budget, a good plot and better characters

and please quote me from where i said rahxephon shits all over eva the completed series. I say rahxephon is better comparing the eps i've seen compared to the respective eva eps and i just got ahold o fthe first two dvds yes i hate eva :p



We're not saying that Rah is bad, just that it takes a little from dah Eva sauce...god forbid you can't let precious Rah get tanted by someone saying it reminds them of Eva.


god forbid if someone says they like rah over your precious eva, it only has better animation, better music, better characters, much better action scenes (unit 01 fight in ep two is better than any in rah yet the rest are lacking compared to rahs fight scenes) and so far much better pacing and a more intriging plot.

Compare without bias the first 9 episodes of each and tell me which is out in front, the only section eva would be in front of rahxephon would be fanservice.

I also thought you had enough of this eva-rah dispute

Why do anbu and hqa have to be so slow in 4 days time episode 13 airs and they haven't even subbed ep 10 yet

klinky
19-04-2002, 07:31 AM
You just don't get eva man! You're looking at the clothing optional section of the cafeteria... Okay no whatever... ;)

I don't care, the arguements are pointless. I get no where , you get no where. Rah is good and is now ,eva was excellent(for me atleast) and was the past... So I will not bring up eva unless people start melting into orange juice..


~klinky

klinky
21-04-2002, 07:58 AM
Where is episode 10 !!! GRAWRRRRRRR Iam waitiing for it.. I swear! HQA can take ten years per episode..those bastards!


~klinky

Westlo
21-04-2002, 04:44 PM
this wait is killing me i want more rahxephon!!!

Even though episode 10 is going to be a recap I don't care and ep 13 airs in japan tomorrow!

Anime-Keep should pick this series up since they dropped FMP, and whats soldats upto in RX?

klinky
21-04-2002, 07:11 PM
I believe soldats is @ ep6 :(

Anime-Keep should take it up those speedy devils.


~klinky

Snake Eyes
21-04-2002, 07:34 PM
Though I would like Rah faster, I am not really upset because HQA doesnt make and break release dates and times (As far as I know), which would really ---- me off. They do a really great job. If someone picked it up, I would still get HQA Rah (as well as the other because it would advance the story ^__^ ).

klinky
21-04-2002, 11:36 PM
"Get in Rah one last time, and answer that question. Why did you come here?" <----THAT'S A JOKE OKAY IAM JUST kidding.


Unless some other fansub group did a horrid job with subbing or encoding the file then I can't see how it would subtract from the story... what if they changed the name from Quon to Kwon or Kwan! baddd.. Or maybe they would attempt to use a Chineese Dub. yes I know it doesn't exist :rolleyes:


"Now excuse me while I visit wine country.." -Warren - Greg the Bunny.


~klinky

thedarkmarine
22-04-2002, 01:52 PM
I'm all caught up on Rah now and it's fudgeting amazing. Amazing in every single fudgeting way.

mtyoo
23-04-2002, 10:16 PM
yeah, especially in its slow fansubbing/low popularity :(

klinky
27-04-2002, 10:34 AM
I was just on the #HQA channel and asked why Rah was taking so long. Seems as though Rah isn't being aired every week, sometimes there is a week where they don't show it.

Supposedly the last episode aired was episode 11. So :mad: that's what they say is the reason for the slow releases... Can't really be helped.


~klinky

Westlo
27-04-2002, 11:33 AM
Oh well at least we are not to far behind the japanese

Can't wait for more

Westlo
04-05-2002, 07:48 AM
RahXephon Memories was released by Anbu and HQA and is 300 or so meg I heard.

It's just a recap of eps 1-9 but is there any new scenes in it because I don't really want to dl 300 meg or so of recap when theirs so much else to get on my crap connection

Ilex201
04-05-2002, 11:10 AM
I haven't dled it yet but yes it is 300mb. I'll post info more when i get it.

mtyoo
04-05-2002, 07:30 PM
blah, it's just a recap. I wouldn't bother if you've already seen the previous eps.

Westlo
06-05-2002, 08:43 AM
Ah no need for me to get the recap then since I pretty much know what's going on in this series (or so i think)

anyway this is probably the best eva and rah comparsion i've read

Click Here (http://www.envirosphere.com/review.php?gs=RahXephon&view=50)

If you want to argue with that go make a review on that site and do so but let's leave the rest of this thread for rahxephon.

How long did the recap go for anyway, and did they present it that good? I might need to get it for a couple of my friends who are wactching this series, saves me having to explain whats going on

thedarkmarine
06-05-2002, 10:23 PM
Ep. 10, not Memories, is released TODAY!

Anyways, how does Memories relate to the series, I mean, is it the first ep of an OVA, or did the writers just have too much money to burn?

Westlo
07-05-2002, 01:59 AM
It's not an OVA it aired on tv as it was in the next ep preview of ep 9

Also a site i go on that has info on fansubs list it as episode 9.5

Ep ten awesome, though i have no idea whats going to happen in this ep since the next ep preview would have been on the end of memories.....

mtyoo
07-05-2002, 02:59 AM
I think memories acts well as a 'preview'. It's mainly a vehicle to get you up to speed if you haven't seen the series yet. It's 36 minutes long, though you'd subtract a couple minutes for the intro and ending.

I just watched episode 10. You gotta love this series.

I love how they took one character who I didn't really care about and develop him enough in 20 minutes to completely reverse my view. A very somber episode *sniff* especially after you get the 'surprise' in the end. (at least I was surprised, but maybe I'm just dim).

This isn't really a spoiler, but won't make sense till after you watch it anyway.

Ok, the commander, Jin, had Quon come to his quarters so that she could play the compositions of his daughter, right? I assume their relationship doesn't go further than that? I told you i'm dim. :D

klinky
08-05-2002, 11:39 AM
Memories has nothing new in it. Zero, 0. Still it was intresting to watch it all in compressed format. I was kind of forced to since I was waiting for Episode 10 to download. Episode 10 was very good.



~Spoilers~





To answer your question, Quon and Jin's relationship went as far as her playing music that his daughter wrote. Iam guessing that his daughter was killed by something he did, possibly the H-bomb that he was forced to drop.








~klinky

klinky
12-05-2002, 05:16 AM
Rah 11 is now out.


~klinky

thedarkmarine
12-05-2002, 03:59 PM
...and it kicks ass. It's similar to the Shadow Angel, what Shinji went though, but it makes more sense.

tekblade
13-05-2002, 06:37 PM
sweet time to go look for it :D

Westlo
15-05-2002, 10:21 AM
Only seen the first half of ep ten so far and i have two faults of rahxephon, one that was brought to the fore at the start of ep ten.

1) The fights are too quick and easy

2) It may have to many characters

Though it's too early to comment about #2, so far the fights have been too easy with RahXehpon winning it's fights in a matter of one to two moves.

I can't wait for a decent fight in this series and hope theirs one coming soon, if theirs some awesome fighting and they make sure the cast is developed than this anime will be sweet

thedarkmarine
15-05-2002, 11:19 AM
I thought that fight with that giant thing that launches a fleet of little guys was pretty cool. Same with the ice one.

Westlo
16-05-2002, 02:38 AM
Oh I'm not saying their bad, it's just over way too quick and in a couple of moves.

Example episode ten fight

RahXephon blocks the laser, flys over and uses the energy sheild to slash into the Dolem's head.

Damn that looked awesome, yet it was just too easy

And those two fights you mentioned were the best in the series

I'LL GIVE YOU A MIRACLE!!

Anyone got the RahXephon OST yet?

Snake Eyes
16-05-2002, 10:56 AM
I have the OST. Its Awesome but really short. I am not 100% positivem but I think Rah is one of those animes that will have 2 or 3 OST's anyway.

mtyoo
17-05-2002, 02:38 AM
I kind of like how rahxephon focuses less on fights and more on character interaction, although, looking back on the first battle in tokyo, we can only hope that there'll be one or two long, well-animated and well-choreographed fight scenes in the rest of the series. It'd be a shame if all those high production values went to waste ;).

I think the characters are being developed nicely, if a little slowly. It took a while to get a grip on everyones' names, since the cast is fairly large, and some of the names are not very 'catchy'. With so many characters, I wonder which ones will go the way of the dodo by the end of the series (hopefully there will not be a killing spree a la X-Tv & Eva). It's too early to tell at this point since I don't think the main plotline has been really flushed out yet.

klinky
17-05-2002, 06:43 AM
I love character dev way more then fights.

There is nothing more fun then watching chunks of metal clanking together :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ....Whoooo.

I'll enjoy a good fight if it's between two humans with real weapons(like guns, ok, I'd go so far as a laser cannon). I can't stand anything hokey like super acrobatic mecha(FMP & Rah, glad the fights in Rah & FMP are short), it's just boring to see magical robots that always have some secret weapon up their sleeve.

Fights also suck if they have magic or fantasy elements. I hate sword battles, unless their ninja/samuri(ala Kenshin) or anything that has a spell or a person with a staff(ugh).


Iam all for Rah having short fights and I don't really care. I get bored with the fight scenes in Rah, I find the other things much much more interesting and could care less about fighting.


~klinky

Westlo
17-05-2002, 08:04 AM
Animes can have lots of fighting and still have excellent character development

Take Escaflowne and Scryed.

They both have excellent fights (more so Scryed) yet have heaps of character development (more so escaflowne).

RahXephon follows the monster of the week trend so, it's obvious theirs gonna be a heap more fights in it and i'll prefer one decent fight to 5 quick and easy ones.

btw their's a space between the I and a in Iam.

Westlo
17-05-2002, 09:44 AM
Originally posted by mtyoo
I just watched episode 10. You gotta love this series.

I love how they took one character who I didn't really care about and develop him enough in 20 minutes to completely reverse my view. A very somber episode *sniff* especially after you get the 'surprise' in the end. (at least I was surprised, but maybe I'm just dim).

This isn't really a spoiler, but won't make sense till after you watch it anyway.

Ok, the commander, Jin, had Quon come to his quarters so that she could play the compositions of his daughter, right? I assume their relationship doesn't go further than that? I told you i'm dim. :D

Yeah a really good episode this was, which developed the character of Jin. Wonder how he got to command TERRA after he got the blame for the Hydrogen Bomb incident and he seems to plan on joining his daughter after hes finished....

thedarkmarine
17-05-2002, 11:36 AM
Klinky gots bad taste in fights. Sorry but the fights in FMP rock. Mecha rocks.

Then again, I'm the biggest mecha pimp on earth.

thedarkmarine
17-05-2002, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by Snake Eyes
I have the OST. Its Awesome but really short. I am not 100% positivem but I think Rah is one of those animes that will have 2 or 3 OST's anyway.

Can you name the best songs in the OST please?

Snake Eyes
18-05-2002, 11:48 AM
Sure thing:
The parts in ( ) are my comments, and not track listed with the OST

Track 01: Hemisphere (Opening theme)
Track 02: Members Only (Jazzy track)
Track 14: Their Daily Lives (Another jazzy track)
Track 15: Bad News
Track 21: Yume no Tamago (Ending theme)

In total, its 21 tracks and approx an hour of music.

Snake Eyes
18-05-2002, 11:53 AM
Klinky, I don't recall ever seeing Rah Xephon doing anything particularly acrobatic. I have seen all released episodes and nothing comes to mind. In FMP I do recall a lot of acrobatic mecha moves. If you could do me a favor and give me an episode number I would greatly appreciate it. If you were mistaken, thats fine too.

Westlo
22-05-2002, 04:04 AM
http://www.bones.co.jp/index3.html

Go their and check out the awesome RahXephon Box :nod:

thedarkmarine
22-05-2002, 09:13 PM
Dear eva2000:

This is my #4328530th request for a drool smilie. Please add one.

Your biggest fan,
thedarkmarine

Westlo
24-05-2002, 08:34 AM
Finished episode 11 off and man was that a trippy ep

Ayato goes crazy at the end of it, rips off the dolems arms, pucnches it head and then slicing it in half.

Need ep 12, to see Quon glowing red

need a pic of Haruka in that outfit

mtyoo
26-05-2002, 05:37 AM
Who were those 2 little girls who appeared very briefly during episode 9? I take it they are the ones that suddenly appeared 38 years ago? The dark haired girl is sort of familiar, but the crying girl 'looks' like quon (the pale skin, the long pink hair). Was this explained and I just missed it?

Ilex201
26-05-2002, 05:45 AM
You missed nothing and it wasn't explained. But she looks similar to Quon. But Quon can't be that old. But who knows...

Westlo
26-05-2002, 06:25 AM
I need to rewatch episode 9, it's been like a month since i saw it

Westlo
26-05-2002, 06:09 PM
EP 12 is out

must get

thedarkmarine
27-05-2002, 11:32 PM
Got.

I like it, and the mystry just engulfs. Next ep looks amazing too.

Snake Eyes
29-05-2002, 11:42 AM
As most of you probably know by now, E-F & A-E have teamed up to do Rah Xephon. They have pumped out an ep a day over the last 3 days. Supposedly they will be releasing an ep a day until they catch up with the the airings (Might work, might not, who knows). At any rate, have any of you seen their releases? How do you feel about the quality when compared to the HQA releases of Rah Xephon? I am just curious about whole matter, nothing really serious. I am in no way affiliated with any of the teams =)

Hiigaran
29-05-2002, 12:19 PM
OKay...I watched the first ep. not to rekindle the debate but I did notice something straight from EVA that may have been mentioned, not sure though.

The guys painting in the first episode. A red haired girl in a yellow sundress. When he looks at it on my fansub, the guy says "All's right with the world huh?" Not to mention the painting is littered with the red crosses that the EVA series were on at the end of EoE.

Other than that though I would say thats the only real glaring thing I noticed. I would also say it was more of a homage to NGE than anything else.

So far though I love what I've seen, and the music is great. I love the opening on the first episode.

Kthulhu
29-05-2002, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by Hiigaran
OKay...I watched the first ep. not to rekindle the debate but I did notice something straight from EVA that may have been mentioned, not sure though.

The guys painting in the first episode. A red haired girl in a yellow sundress. When he looks at it on my fansub, the guy says "All's right with the world huh?" Not to mention the painting is littered with the red crosses that the EVA series were on at the end of EoE.

Other than that though I would say thats the only real glaring thing I noticed. I would also say it was more of a homage to NGE than anything else.

So far though I love what I've seen, and the music is great. I love the opening on the first episode.


yes there are many, just nod your head and tell them that RahXephon is it's own entity and that it's not Eva with a new candy coating(not really a bad thing). Man the more you watch, the closer it becomes to Eva.... moi hahaha.. Episode 12 we're dealing with freaky clones and Quon multiplies herself ala Rei.


~klinky

Snake Eyes
30-05-2002, 01:12 AM
This is getting pathetic.

mtyoo
30-05-2002, 01:18 AM
Yes, Rahxephon makes references to...,borrows elements from..., is similar to...., is.... NGE. Let's beat the dead horse a little more guys. If RX ever gets its own forum, another forum should be entitled "Rahxephon vs. Evangelion" for all relevant threads. It would make it easier to avoid.

Westlo
30-05-2002, 04:04 AM
Originally posted by Snake Eyes
This is getting pathetic.

yeah I'm agreeing and I would like the RahXephon VS Evangelion forum to keep those idiots out (not calling you one hiig, EvaRobby noticed what you posted as well from episode 1 but he hasn't called it an evangelion rip off and he's an eva freak for sure) and the real fans can discuss the series.

By the way Hiig my one says "All is right with the world, eh?" Minimal difference from the group that subbed yours.

You will see little refernces to animes thoroughout, I would say Macross, Gundam, Escaflowne, Utena, Evangelion are some animes that influnece it.

Snake Eyes I won't be redownloading any eps but if E-F and A-E release ep 13, 14, 15 etc before ANBU/HQA I'll get them. They are pretty good groups and I heard the quality's pretty good, though not as good as ANBU/HQA. That was based of their ep one so they can improve of course.

BTW I thought Reika was the Rei clone not Quon :rolleyes:

klinky
31-05-2002, 05:41 AM
Ayato called to tell me episode 13 was out... Hmm and I posted that last message in my bro's account by accident.. tee hee...... Suspended doesn't look good ....hmm




Edit: AND WHAT A EPISODE!! ONE OF THE BEST YET ;)


~klinky

mtyoo
01-06-2002, 03:49 PM
Episode 13 stuff

Ok, so that was Quon, and that familiar girl was in fact Maya (I thought that little girl was maya, but it didn't make sense. of course, Quon being there didn't make sense either :P) What also doesn't make sense is that if those girls disappeared 38 or so years ago, and Quon hasn't changed, why is Maya so much older? Don't you age slower in Tokyo Jupiter, or do you not age at all?

Now it looks like Quon might be getting her own 'rahxephon'.


There's some weird stuff going on, but I think I like it :)

thedarkmarine
02-06-2002, 11:22 PM
Answer Episode 13 stuff

Remember how that Old guy didn't age?

mtyoo
03-06-2002, 06:17 AM
Well, it's kind of ridiculous to speculate this early on but I'm impatient so.... more ep13 weirdness.

I understand that guy didn't age, and that he's several hundred years old apparently, but there are still those weird time/age discrepancies in ayato, quon, and maya, ex: maya and quon were the same age in that flashback, but now maya is older than quon, even though she was in tokyo jupiter, where ayato was, and he apparently 'hasn't changed' according to that comment from itsuki.

Westlo
05-06-2002, 07:18 AM
Episode 14's out

Still haven't even seen ep 12 yet >.<

An possible announcement about rahxephonbeing licensed might came at the upcoming AnimeExpo.

thedarkmarine
05-06-2002, 07:19 PM
OMFG! RahXephon is just ------- amazing. I mean, ----! It feels like Eva, but has just about the same amount of deepness, and a lot easier to swallow.

Snake Eyes
05-06-2002, 09:18 PM
Whether is is right or wrong, if it gets licensed it only means that you will have to change the server you camp on to get it, nothing else.

thedarkmarine
05-06-2002, 11:28 PM
That thing in ep 14 ------- kicks too much ass.

thedarkmarine
06-06-2002, 12:37 PM
I would also like to say that RahXephon is a strong contender for the "My Favourite" award. Let's just hope that it has a good ending.

mtyoo
06-06-2002, 09:59 PM
Gah, I hope it doesn't get licensed yet :( Why can't companies wait until the series is over in Japan before they license it? I mean, considering we'll have to wait at least a year if not several, how is a few more weeks going to hurt anybody?

Oh, but wait, we get to have neat extras (whee, 'previews', 'hey, I know that series in the preview! my friend bought it ten months ago!; wow, a couple stills, 'omigod, I don't remember watching that shot during the episode, I need to rewatch it!) and fantastic english dubbing that you just can't get enough of. Subtitles that take up a quarter or more of the screen makes it easier for us with cataracts; no one needs to know what's happening on the screen!

I just hope it's adv or manga who picks it up, I mean, they're so fast with their releases! And talk about quality! Wowee!





That's some powerful medication I'm on!

Freakman
06-06-2002, 10:45 PM
15 is out :)

Sheex, The Dark Stalker
07-06-2002, 12:04 AM
I just hope it's adv or manga who picks it up, I mean, they're so fast with their releases! And talk about quality!

That's some powerful medication I'm on!

You got that right. Here's hoping for a 2015 release for the Eva movies :rolleyes:

Westlo
07-06-2002, 02:17 AM
Originally posted by thedarkmarine
I would also like to say that RahXephon is a strong contender for the "My Favourite" award. Let's just hope that it has a good ending.

The same for me i love this series and only a really crappy ending (ala evangelion) will ruin this series imo.

Also ADV and Manga are nowhere near the best. I would say

Pioneer
Bandai
TokyoPop
Mediblasters
ADV
Funimation
Viz
Manga

Would be the right order though all from what i've heard excel saga will be on of the finest anime dvd releases ever. If Noir and Full Metal Panic are as good as excel i would place adv only under Pioneer.

Anyway let's not start a discussion on the best anime companies and the ending of evanelion.

Was episode 15 good and aren't HQA/Anbu subbing this really quick now does anyone know when AnimeExpo is on?

Snake Eyes
07-06-2002, 10:32 PM
I am not really sure when 15 aired, but it probably was not done quickly. They had fallen behind in subbing with regards to airings, so I think it is more likely that they had been working on it for a time, had 14 and 15 both ready, and released 15 sooner than they normally would have. The talk of possible licensing may be altering their release timetable. This is just what I think it is. I have no actual way of knowing for sure =)

thedarkmarine
07-06-2002, 10:53 PM
15 was a story ep. It clears some things up, though there wasn't much to clear in the first place...We know know why Dude 101 splashed champign on Dude 102's face, and their relationship with Chick103.

mtyoo
09-06-2002, 04:18 AM
Is it just me or did ep15 feel a little different from the rest of the series so far? The way that it was directed, the use (overuse) of digital lighting, and simply how it was drawn seemed 'different'.

ep14: Reika Mishima = Tyler Durden :D

thedarkmarine
09-06-2002, 09:59 AM
Well, 15 was a flashback.

klinky
09-06-2002, 04:26 PM
Episode 15 was awesome.

Some scenes looked almost live action. When the "master" is going after the floating rock in that boat and he's talking about the other clay things that had already died... Very sweet looking.


~klinky

klinky
19-06-2002, 09:46 PM
Well my last post was over 10 days ago and no word on when the next episode will be out.

Damnit ... so annoying... GRaawrrr


~klinky

thedarkmarine
20-06-2002, 02:36 PM
Aye aye, but Haruko can still woop Misato's ass, though I die for either one.

Westlo
21-06-2002, 01:11 PM
Ep 17 has aired in japan and ep 18 is due to air the 21st of this month.

I expect them to release 3 more eps before AnimeExpo though.

thedarkmarine
21-06-2002, 01:36 PM
Today is the 21st.

Hurry up HQA. Bandai doesn't wait.

mtyoo
22-06-2002, 01:06 AM
I need my RX fix! Must not be a big demand for it on the fansub scene? :( At least bandai is marginally quick with their releases, if they are the soon-to-be publisher for the U.S.

Reika
24-06-2002, 02:29 AM
Do you guys hang out in HQA's irc channel?

I just finished watching episode 15 today. Very interesting stuff. And can't wait to see how the series continues. The similarities are there (sometimes striking resemblances) between Eva and RX but I find it different enough that it shouldn't be labeled a copy or rip off but it is very understandable if someone were to call it that.

Westlo
24-06-2002, 03:14 AM
I use to hang out in hqa channe; but i have real problems logging onto Efnet.

But i hang out in animefactory where anubs ppl hang out anyway.

Snake Eyes
25-06-2002, 07:47 AM
I am usually in #HQA. Since Efnet forces shortened named on people, I usually go by |snake| or |^Snake^|
Say hi sometime =)

MDWigs
25-06-2002, 09:42 PM
Well I have stayed out of the discussion here because normally I don't like commenting to any extent on an anime until I have seen the whole thing. However I posted the following on Animenation as a rebuttal to the below quote. Let me say here, I am not getting into the "originality" Eva vs RahXephon discussion now, I just want to present my impressions after watching the first 15 episodes. This is why I think. You are welcome to disagree with it if you like ^_^

Originally posted by Van

but rahxephons first 13 eps compared to evangelions first 13 eps completely blows evas away. Its in another league.


I don't agree with that statement at all. They both have good points in my opinion.

Animation: On an animation front RahXephon is by far the superior, but considering Eva is almost 7 years old now, and it had low production values when it was first released anyway, that isn't surprising. RahXephon looks absolutely fantastic, and Eva looks very dated now, however I have always liked Sadamoto's character designs and his distinctive style, so when it comes to the individual “look” of the characters I prefer Evas.

Music: I much prefer Shiro Sagisu's score in Evangelion to the one in RahXephon. The BGM in Eva is superb (as is evidence by the number of Eva CD's that have been released containing it). Opening themes, well Hemisphere took a bit of getting use to, but I think its a great track and I find myself humming parts of it at odd moments. That being said overall I prefer Cruel Angel's Thesis, mainly because of my preference in music styles, which is a separate thing to anime all together, but there it is, it affects my tastes and it makes me prefer CAT.

Character development: Well RahXephon just has too many characters for my liking, there is not enough focus on individual character development so in this aspect I think Eva wins out. Also RahXephon seems to suffer from the "everyone must like someone else" syndrome which I am never a far of. Can't there just be some characters who are not chasing after anyone? The first 13 episode of Eva set the an excellent foundation of character interaction in my opinion, particularly the Misato-Shinji and Shinji-Gendou relationship. RahXephon’s first 13 only advance the characters in limited ways. Most are still very two dimensional (but this is very early in the series so I’m sure that will be expanded).

Plot: Well I am not really going to comment much here, you can't really discuss the plot of earlier episodes until your take into account what happens later on. RahXephon has gotten more in-depth that Eva attempted to be in the first 13 episodes. Eva's first 13 episodes were in a "monster of the week" style, however I think they were very important in setting up the respective characters and cementing their initial development (see above where I talk about character development). RahXephon has an excellent premise, and I some of the plot threads that have been stated in the first 13 episodes, so I am interested to see where they go.

Conclusion: I really like RahXephon, but I don't think it "completely blows Eva away". They are different series, with different traits. Eva got me hooked straight away, I thought the first 13 episodes were fantastic, and then the later episodes pushed it up over to the next level. RahXephon looks promising, it is shaping up to be a good show, but I again I don't think you can categorically state (with any degree of credibility at least) that the first 13 episodes of of RahXephon are superior to the first 13 episodes of Eva in every way. Some aspects of one are stronger than the other and vice-versa. Anyway I withhold further comment until the completion of RahXephon.

klinky
26-06-2002, 02:14 AM
Iam officially going crazy over this whole delay with the fansubs. It's annoying as hell. It's hard to keep up with a anime when there are two/three week gaps inbetween episodes.....GRrr. Iam having that trouble with Infinite Ryvius, which Iam actually going to just wait till I have all 26 episodes before I complete(currently on ep20). I wish they could atleast release something stating why the delay :(


~klinky

Westlo
26-06-2002, 02:36 AM
That bit was taken out of context wigsy.

I had said in a earlier post

Yeah i agree you shouldn't compare at the moment but rahxephons first 13 eps compared to evangelions first 13 eps completely blows evas away. Its in another league.

Though Evangelion does get a heck of alot better later (17-24) on only to flush all the good work down the drain in the last two eps.


Then some dick said

Van I can't help think you sound just a little troll like around here

and you raly missed my point about waiting until the show is done before compare

To which i quoated the section but rahxephons first 13 eps compared to evangelions first 13 eps completely blows evas away. from an earlier post.

My opinion on Evangelion first 16 episodes are it's a good show but not great( a three and a half to four stars show), the eps 17-24 really push this show to another level (5 star show) but 25-26 ruin it and trashes all the good work of those eps IMO (back all the way down to 3 stars). I prefer EOE's ending over the TV ending.

Animation - While of course RahXephon is going to look better since it's newer but it does what Escaflowne did in 95, what bebop did in 98. It brings fluid gorgeous animation that is OVA level with no noticeable reused scenes to a tv series. If it was made at the same time as evangelion it would have been around Escaflownes level which beats evangelion in every aspect except for noses ^^ (and babes, escaflowne had none). Though as you said Evangelion was made on a shoestring budget and Escaflowne had the massive resources of Studio Sunrise and their owner Bandai.

Music The BGM in Eva is superb (as is evidence by the number of Eva CD's that have been released containing it). Yes there has been lots of cds released for Evangelion wigsy, but how many of them are remixes of Fly me to the moon, how many are remixes of other stuff (There would be more remixes than original tracks over all the albums). Original pieces of music in the show was really lacking, something EOE made up for. I haven't listened to the RahXephon ost yet (and there should be more) but i much prefer Hemisphere to CAT. I've been saying it's the best opening song i've heard since I first heard it watching episode 2. This is something that can't be compared until all the osts are out and when the show is finished.

Anyway superb music in anime to me is Escaflowne, Cowboy Bebop and Rurouni Kenhsin OVAS (real good instrumental stuff).

Characters I like the characters in RahXephon, not love but like, i didn't like many characters in Evangelion. It's way to early to tell which will have better character development in the end. The big cast of RahXephon is a drawback, which I stated earlier as being a potential drawback to rahxephon. Yet RahXephon seems to be handling it nicely, some people hated ep 10 yet I loved it since it focused on Jin. It will probably give us insight into something he will do later on in the series, as in if they show us the gun in act one it will be fired in act 3. Ep 15 got panned on noateds forums (by the ppl who are watching for action...) for having no action but it's suppose to delve into the past of the non major characters.

Plot RahXephons is more detailed as of now and let's hope they don't trash everything and focus on one thing ala evangelion tv ending. Too early to make a call on this.

Conclusion While Evangelions first 16 eps were around about 3 and a half stars to 4, rahxephons first 14 (i've seen 14 eps now go me!) have been 4 to 4 and a half.

I prefer RahXephons first 14 eps over Evangelions first 14, but will RahXephon get as good as eps 17-24 of evangelion? Will it get as bad as eps 25-26 off Evangelion.

I hope so for the former and I hope not for the latter.

P.S - If anybody couldn't tell i'm the Van MDWigs quoated off Animenations boards.

MDWigs
26-06-2002, 03:51 AM
Westlo:

That bit was taken out of context wigsy.

I don't see how you can take that out of context. Your contention was the the first 13 episode of RahXephon "completely blows away" the first 13 episode of Eva, that it is "in another league".

I disagree with that contention. I don't think that, focusing on just those epsisodes, RahXephon is "in another league", in fact I don't particularly think it is even better in many aspects.

My opinion on Evangelion first 16 episodes are it's a good show but not great( a three and a half to four stars show), the eps 17-24 really push this show to another level (5 star show) but 25-26 ruin it and trashes all the good work of those eps IMO (back all the way down to 3 stars). I prefer EOE's ending over the TV ending.

I see the first 14 episodes of Eva as important to set the ground work, and as a terrific "monster of the week" style show in its own right, 15 to 24 as being some of the most powerful storytelling I've ever seen in an anime, and 25 and 26 as a masterful conclusion to the story under the constraints that were imposed. I always liked episodes 25 and 26, I don't think they ruined anything. EoE adds the icing on the cake, and I am eternally grateful it was made, however I would have still been happy with the series ending we were given.

Animation: As I said, RahXephon has better animation, however I prefer Sadamoto's character designs. I prefer Sadamoto's style, I like the angular look he gives to his characters (particularly in Evangelion). None of the characters have in RahXephon have the base appeal to me visually that some of the characters from Eva had.

Music: I think there some fantastic original pieces in the show. There were 3 OST's plus Evangelion Addition and countless other albums after the movies, there was also the Symphonic concert of Eva Music. If you want to talk stats, the Eva OST 2 made history in Japan by becoming the first anime soundtrack in nearly two decades to reach Number 1 on the Japanese album charts. There is just nothing I find distinctive in RahXephon so far. As I said about opening themes, that is a personal taste. I prefer CAT.

I do really like Yoko Kanno's work (on Escaflowne and Cowboy Bebop) but Shiro Sagisu's Eva music has always held a very
high position in my mind.

Characters: You weren't meant to like everyone in Eva, however in RahXephon I struggle to find anyone that is made to be unlikeable (except that "Inspector" guy in later episodes). Episode 10 focused on Jin, I didn't mind it personally, what I am saying though is that you can't have a episode like that to fill in the backstories of everyone, there are just too many people and not enough episodes. Eva didn't have whole episodes devoted to Kensuke or Hikari, and I think it was better off for it. Episode 15 is interesting, it is sort of like episode 21 of Eva except it focuses on completely on 3 characters (one in particular) while episode 21 of Eva provided the back story of the whole of NERV (hence "The Birth of NERV"). As it is after the 15 episode I’ve seen, I don't feel for any of the characters in RahXephon as much as I did when I watched the same amount of episodes in Eva. I felt a huge amount of empathy for Shinji and Asuka after those first 15 episodes of Eva, but I really don't feel much for any of the characters of RahXephon. Part of that I think is because when I first watched Eva (more than 4 years ago now)I was still a teenager and probably more open to relating to the feelings portrayed by teenage characters, now I am not so. That being said though, when I go back and watch Eva now (even just the first 15 episodes), it brings back all these memories and feelings for me, RahXephon (on the two times I've watched it through to 15) doesn't. So on a personal level I am much more attached to the Eva characters.

Plot:As I said before, I didn't have any problems with Evas ending at all. I would in fact be disappointed in Eva had gone for a "normal" ending (not an EoE ending but a more conventional ending). But I won't comment any more about this until RahXephon has finished.

Conclusion:I think I am the opposite of you. I would give the first 14 episodes of Eva (because I personally think the shift happened after episode 14) 8 out of 10, and the last lot a straight 10 out of 10. The first 14 episodes of RahXephon didn't affect me the same as the Eva episode did, and though I think it’s a fantastic start, it is only sitting around 7 out of 10 for me. I think the first half of RahXephon in better that Eva in some aspects, but overall I still prefer the first half of Eva.

Westlo
26-06-2002, 04:09 AM
:heh: we probably are the complete opposites in our views on Evangelion.

Let's just drop this until it's finished, but RahXephon like Evangelion seems to be a series that is going to have a massive build up towards the end.

This sucks ep 16 isn't out yet, and when it's licensed it will probably be fansubbed even slower....somehow....

Anyway thoughts on ep 14.

I didn't like the Vermilion design I much prefer the design of the RahXephon, seems Ayato is going to pull a Amuro Rei(Gundam)/Shinji Ikari(Evangelion) on us and stop piloting for a while and have his postion being taken over by a woman, though it's not the same mecha like in those two animes.

RahXephon would crush the Vermillion in a fight if Elvysan wasn't piloting it (as in Ayato knows Elvy-san), I don't like how Elvysan has reacted to finding out Ayato is a Murlian. It must have been something that losing her men in Mission Overlord that makes her hate the Murlians so much.

I was hoping that what turned out to have been the Vermillion was going to be Quon's RahXephon.

Ack time to go i got a cisco final to do, oh joy!

MDWigs
26-06-2002, 05:18 AM
Westlo:

:heh: we probably are the complete opposites in our views on Evangelion.

Let's just drop this until it's finished, but RahXephon like Evangelion seems to be a series that is going to have a massive build up towards the end.

This sucks ep 16 isn't out yet, and when it's licensed it will probably be fansubbed even slower....somehow....

I think that is probably a good idea, which is why I have been keeping quiet do far. Sometimes a series can do a complete 180 half way through.

Anyway thoughts on ep 14.

I didn't like the Vermilion design I much prefer the design of the RahXephon, seems Ayato is going to pull a Amuro Rei(Gundam)/Shinji Ikari(Evangelion) on us and stop piloting for a while and have his postion being taken over by a woman, though it's not the same mecha like in those two animes.

I really didn't want to get into the "similarities between Eva and RahXephon" debate, but I did notice a few in this episode (at least I personally saw them as similarities (a homage perhaps)).

The "New" "Red" Mecha is delivered and for the first time the new red one and the old one go out into battle together. The Red one is brash and goes out first against an "Enemy" that has a dual nature and can break into two parts. It mostly was the fact that it is red and the first enemy it faced with RahXephon was of a "2 enemies in one" nature that I found familiar. Before I get the flames I am not suggesting at all that RahXephon "ripped off" Eva, or anything like that, just that there are similarities that I perceive (I perceive similarities in almost everything) and I am not suggesting that the RahXephon guys didn't have any ideas of their own and thus stole Evas. I am just suggesting that they made little subtle reference in what they did.

I was hoping that what turned out to have been the Vermillion was going to be Quon's RahXephon.

She will get one eventually I predict ^_^

Ack time to go i got a cisco final to do, oh joy!

I've got to brush up on my CMIP knowledge before my Networks 2 Exam tomorrow. The first half on Unix networking wont be a problem, the boring dry stuff on network management I'll have to force myself through.

thedarkmarine
26-06-2002, 12:19 PM
About you're arguments, it's mostly based on opinions, so it's a dead ended debate. I pray that another one won't start. Personally, I found Rah easier to swallow and it moved a bit faster. Eva had a lot of static scenes that seems like it drags, especially during rewatches.

About eva vs. rah, all cosmetic similarities. Cosmetic.

Too bad Westlo had the V spoiled for him. It totally blew me away when I saw it. That was one kickass design. They better make some toys.

mtyoo
26-06-2002, 06:09 PM
I'm not going to go into my opinions of the eva fanbase so as to avoid a holy war; Let's not have this thread fall back into the quagmire, pretty please :)

Anyways, I was kind of disappointed that Quon didn't get a toy to play with, although she is sort of a toy herself. The mech design, though neat looking, was kind of generic imo and was a letdown in comparison to the quality of the series so far.

I can't wait for Elvy's episode (I'm guessing there will be one since she is a fairly major character). I like how the episodes that at first glance were about fairly minor characters became some of the highlights of this series, Kim's and Jin's episodes for example. I also look forward to seeing how the commander with the eye-patch (his name escapes me) fits in, since he is shown in that flashback with Quon. We probably won't go into the main characters until the latter portion of the series I figure.

Although it's not a big alteration, I like how the opening has changed since the first episode.

Westlo
27-06-2002, 09:59 AM
Well I finally watched episode 15 (dling the maxi single for hemisphere now)

A very interesting episode, which shows why Inspector Dude does not like Helena (as mentioned in episode 14). Since Helena, Inspector Dude and the doctor dude are performers in theory they could pilot the rahxephon. Remeber an ep when the doctor dude was trying to get into RahXephon after Inspector Dude gave him some headgear, yet Reika blocked his entry into Rah.

Also that dolems were made from clay it seems hmmm are the murlians invaders like they were claimed to be in episode 4....

Also it seems that Ayato is related to Haruka and Megumi...hmmmmm.

I'm guessing that Ayato and Elvy are going to face each other sooner than later since Elvy has an intense hatred towards Murlians. Just finding out that Ayato was a Murlian has really changed her, I'm wondering what makes her hate them so much, it wouldn't just be because of Mission Overlord.

I don't think Elvy, and the commander guy will get episodes devoted to them like Jin and Inspector Dude did. They might get portions of an episode but I don't think RahXephon would/should take up two eps of it's remaining 11 on them.

Jin and Inspector Dude will be vital to the conclusion, i don't see why they would have fleshed out there characters in an episode each if they don't.

I also like the new intro sequence, not a great change from before but its better, was that first played during ep 14?

Is it only me or does anyone else want Ayato to end up with lala girl Quon.....(if he ends up with anyone.......if hes even alive....f anyone is even alive.....)

To end this post i would like to say

if i had a dollar for everytime I've listened to Hemisphere.....

mtyoo
28-06-2002, 01:16 AM
Well, considering Ayato's taste in older women, and Quon is apparently 'older' than Haruka, seems like the pink haired chica is the logical choice :D Of course, Megumi-chan's hair is also pink....

The white-haired dude is named Kim? wtf. I can't even recall an instance where his name was mentioned. The short haired girl who lost her parents in australia is also named Kim. Itsuki-san is the strangely feminine yet heterosexual doctor dude. I wish they would use each other's first names more in conversation. :rolleyes: hehe

The white haired dude is a 'D', and isn't Ayato a 'D' as well?

Westlo
28-06-2002, 02:05 AM
:heh: I just read Kim off your post and put his anme as Kim......

Is Ayato a D hmm i can't quite remember, but i finally got eps 4-6 back so i'm going to rewatch 1-15 this monday (school holidays and it's not exactly the weather to go out in.......it's only been raining heavy on and off for the last 6 hours)

Maybe I should ask some of the anbu people whats up with rah 16, though i'll probably get the it's done when its done answer....

Snake Eyes
28-06-2002, 07:38 AM
Not sure if this is accurate but its what I heard and it sounds reasonable: They are waiting to see what happens at AX.

Westlo
28-06-2002, 09:09 AM
Would be the most likely scenrio

Sigh it's going to be a while before ep 16 is out by another fansubber

thedarkmarine
29-06-2002, 11:23 PM
16 is OUT!

klinky
30-06-2002, 06:27 AM
Holly CRAP! It gets better and better.... oooh god damn it!

this is good anime ;)


Hey man..... Oh Jesus, let's hope it doesn't take three weeks to get the next episode.


~klinky

mtyoo
01-07-2002, 07:22 AM
Ep16 was damn good; the story doesn't look like it's near the 'endgame' yet, but a lot of the confusing mysteries so far are being partially explained. I'm glad RX is not wasting time on action, since the complexity of the story needs a lot of exposition. Speaking of which, is anyone else having a hard time piecing together all of the character relationships/histories?

fyi: the white-haired dude is named makoto, if i remember correctly. I think it was mentioned one or two times?

I haven't been this impressed with an anime series since Cowboy Bebop, and hopefully the remaining episodes keeps up or improves on the standards placed by the first half.

thedarkmarine
01-07-2002, 10:35 AM
Whit haired dude? Um...more clarification please.

That episode was great. A real kicker. Now the next one looks amazing too. Next looks action stuff.

klinky
01-07-2002, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by thedarkmarine
Whit haired dude? Um...more clarification please.

That episode was great. A real kicker. Now the next one looks amazing too. Next looks action stuff.


http://coolantx.hn.org/rahwhitey.jpg

I mean there is only one white haired guy in the series.....



~klinky

Reika
01-07-2002, 10:05 PM
Just finished watching eps 16. I just love everything Megumi does. Very entertaining character to watch.







*****spoiler to those who haven't seen eps 16*********










Was the conversation at the end with Megumi and Haruka's uncle hinting at the fact that the guy with a patch over his eye (name slips my mind) is Ayato's father?

mtyoo
02-07-2002, 01:07 AM
Spoilers:

The chief with the eye-patch is Watari Shirou (sp?), and he was in that one flashback ep13 of Quon's in which Watari was talking to Maya (you don't see their faces, so I'm not sure if it is maya or not. If it was maya, then that really confuses the timeline even more), so it looks like all those head honchos at terra seem to know what's up or are deeply involved somehow in this mu business; in ep16 when ayato is arguing with Jin and Souichi, Watari says that he has a son who wanted to be an artist just like ayato. So that seems to be a good guess at this point, since there isn't much filler dialogue in this series and most conversations foreshadow plot developments.

Westlo
02-07-2002, 04:13 AM
The white hair dude is called Makato, i forgot his first name, it's mentioned in episode 4.

I'll get his full name later.

In episode 7 while on the boat with the docotr he mentions the night out they had which was shown in ep 15.

Ep 16 is real good, now to watch the last minute or two and the next ep preview.

Reika
02-07-2002, 04:18 AM
Yes, in eps 16 I loved that whole part where Megumi goes shopping. But thats not to say, eps 16 explored a lot of character depth as well. Onward to 17!

Westlo
02-07-2002, 08:45 PM
It was kinda amusing when Ayato and megumi were blabbing on about different things yet thought they were talking about the same thing.

I felt sorry for Megu in that ep, shes finds out her best friend is with the man she admired and then sees Ayato leave in RahXephon.

And how did he make an exit or what, how awesome did the rahxephon look when it flew out (take that voltron!)

Hmm i would have thought they would have sent the vermillion after them but it seems they get into tokyo the next ep and theres no sign of the vermillion in the next ep preview..

Anyway else think that Commander Jin is just about finished grooming that guy to take over his spot, what will kin do later....

And that eyepatch guy should be ayato going from whats been shown in the series so far.

Ayato's mum was raised by Haurkus uncle, Harukas uncle is good friends with the eyepatch dude, his son wanted to be an artist, so does ayato, ayatos memory was wiped and from the conversation the eyepatch dude had with harukas uncle at the end of the ep

WE WANT 17

thedarkmarine
02-07-2002, 10:01 PM
In the preview...

We see the Vermillion face off the "queen" dolem. That fight better kick ass.

Westlo
03-07-2002, 01:07 AM
You blink and you miss

Reika
03-07-2002, 01:41 AM
Lets just hope 17 isn't as long of a wait as 16 :D.

Kizzim
03-07-2002, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by Westlo
It was kinda amusing when Ayato and megumi were blabbing on about different things yet thought they were talking about the same thing.

I felt sorry for Megu in that ep, shes finds out her best friend is with the man she admired and then sees Ayato leave in RahXephon.

And how did he make an exit or what, how awesome did the rahxephon look when it flew out (take that voltron!)

Hmm i would have thought they would have sent the vermillion after them but it seems they get into tokyo the next ep and theres no sign of the vermillion in the next ep preview..

Anyway else think that Commander Jin is just about finished grooming that guy to take over his spot, what will kin do later....

And that eyepatch guy should be ayato going from whats been shown in the series so far.

Ayato's mum was raised by Haurkus uncle, Harukas uncle is good friends with the eyepatch dude, his son wanted to be an artist, so does ayato, ayatos memory was wiped and from the conversation the eyepatch dude had with harukas uncle at the end of the ep

WE WANT 17


I think i speak for everyone when i say.. label your spoilors dumb***. Also dont talk about previews, only 10% of people actually watch them, because most of us DONT want to know whats going to happen next episode until we see it. Also do you have any point in this thread besides posting spoilors and stupid ideas?

thedarkmarine
03-07-2002, 04:47 PM
Since most people who are here have already seen the series. We don't care about spoiler warnings that much. If you haven't seen it, don't read too much.

Also, the previews are done pretty well in RahXephon; they don't reveal too much. That includes new dolems and such.

Come back when you are spoiler proof please. We like to discuss stuff that is spoilerie.

mtyoo
03-07-2002, 05:21 PM
I think i speak for everyone when i say.. label your spoilors dumb***. Also dont talk about previews, only 10% of people actually watch them, because most of us DONT want to know whats going to happen next episode until we see it. Also do you have any point in this thread besides posting spoilors and stupid ideas?

Welcome back to this thread. Didn't you bring this up in the FMP thread where you tried to start a flame war? Wait, you did that here too. It's not like anyone is forcing this down your throat; It should be obvious to everyone that there will be spoilers in practically every anime thread/forum. This IS the only thread for rahxephon right now, so it's not going to be spoiler free, otherwise the ENTIRE THREAD would be in light blue or marked as SPOILER. And saying that people should not discuss the previews, which are part of the episodes, is laughable.

What is your point in this thread?

Westlo
03-07-2002, 07:11 PM
It should have been ------- obvious from the first sentence it was spolerish material i was talking about and unless you have seen that ep you would have no idea what i was talking about anyway.

Why don't you go back to the FAKE thread? You made some new buddies in that.

Also do you have any point in this thread besides posting spoilors and stupid ideas?

Should I be starting flame wars like you instead?

only 10% of people actually watch them, because most of us DONT want to know whats going to happen next episode until we see it.

I'm making a thread about that. i'm snot even naming you so it's nothing personal i'm just curious.

Oh and to kinda get back on topic

RahXephon is newtypes #1 anime, #1 male character (Ayato), #4 (Haruka), $5 (Quon) and #9 (Reika) female characters for the month of july.

Fatal Outlaw
03-07-2002, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by Kizzim



I think i speak for everyone when i say.. label your spoilors dumb***. Also dont talk about previews, only 10% of people actually watch them, because most of us DONT want to know whats going to happen next episode until we see it. Also do you have any point in this thread besides posting spoilors and stupid ideas?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

it should be "only 10% of Kizzim's brain is actually functioning"

and if you dont want spoilers, then dont even go to this thread, instead of babbling your nonsense

Kizzim
03-07-2002, 08:19 PM
Dont get **** slapped little boy.

mtyoo
03-07-2002, 10:55 PM
Why is this guy still on this board? All he does is flame and troll. Sad.

Just leave this thread Kizzim because we will spoil every single possible plot development for rahxephon.

Let's get back on topic.

Kizzim
03-07-2002, 11:50 PM
My feelings are hurt that you dont want me to participate in yer discussion. Which more often than not is wrong. Think ill stick around and 'troll' a little bit.

thedarkmarine
04-07-2002, 08:41 AM
Step no. 1. Ignore certain members.

Anyways, looks like HQA won't be pulling another one of them "2 eps. in 3 days" things they did a little while back.

Westlo
04-07-2002, 12:43 PM
RahXephon OST 2 is out

I got like half of it

Hopefully HQA/ANBU get an ep out before the weekend when AX is on.

And any aussie members reading this thread, Madman have got the license (And by that ADV should have it)

Snake Eyes
04-07-2002, 01:09 PM
I need to get that =)

Reika
05-07-2002, 12:33 AM
Sakamoto does have a nice voice ;)

klinky
13-07-2002, 08:39 PM
Well 17 was released a while back and RahXehphon is now licensed...

Stupid animeboards.com moving and stuff and making the delays.


Oh and Rah17 = creepy.



~klinky

thedarkmarine
13-07-2002, 10:33 PM
17 Kicked Ass.

RahXehpon kicks ass.

Licensing sucks ass.

mtyoo
13-07-2002, 11:01 PM
No Licensing is good, just not when it's a 'company' like ADV. Hopefully we'll get the dvd release within 3 years, and then we'll be able to enjoy badly-translated subtitles that take up more than half the screen as well as wonderful english voice actors coughing up an 'americanized' script. Did I mention extras, or lack thereof?

JOY

Fatal Outlaw
13-07-2002, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by thedarkmarine

Licensing sucks ass.

yes, what makes it worse is ADV licensed it

Fatal Outlaw
13-07-2002, 11:03 PM
Originally posted by mtyoo
Did I mention extras, or lack thereof?



what do you mean extras? oh yeah! i forgot about them since i watched 4 adv dvd's in a row and i forgot about that dvd feature called extras!

ADV sucks.

Westlo
17-07-2002, 03:58 AM
RahXephon 18 is out by Aone, imodey is working on it as well, just under a different name. Look at the intro of anbu/hqa rah to see what imodey did. I'll be getting their version over Anime Junkies since I would like to know the proper story not what aj hack t/l team think is going on.

klinky
17-07-2002, 05:20 AM
damn you!


I just saw it on my newsgroup.... hehehehe


~klinky

mtyoo
17-07-2002, 06:34 AM
"imodey"? that a group? Never heard of it before. Course, I never heard of AnimeOne before until now. Anime Junkies, on the other hand, I have heard about. Or rather, heard bad things about :D

Too bad they didn't do that english subtitling thing like in FLCL (the japanese release had english subs in 5 out of 6 episodes, or so I heard) so you could avoid having to endure ADV's release.

Westlo
17-07-2002, 07:16 AM
Watch the intro to the RahXephon by HQA/Anbu and you will see imodey has the most important job in the group (translation).

He's (if it really is him, all I have is the word of the founder for truth, and I don't know why the founder would lie to a 56ker......(must be so i can serve the files at uber speed ;) ) has been doing alot of work with Aone, Infinite Ryvuis, Argento Soma OVA, Ai Yori Aoshi. All them he t/l.

I got the 411 from the founder of the chan so i knew it was coming, it was in distro about 24 hours ago.

Since I knew this how ironic i'm getting ep 18 before I completed 17. 17 is fing hard to find. I don't have the luxary to be able to wait in queues as well as a good quick connection.

Anime-Junkies does have bad rep, and they deserve it, I heard rumors (someone posted in the noated thread for RahXephon which is only a paltry 166 posts) they were going to release 18-20 in a few days (which should be tomorrow or the day after) but if you value good t/l (which is important in a dialogue driven anime like RahXephon) then i would wait for a better version.

To end this post, No I do not work for Aone.

klinky
17-07-2002, 08:05 AM
AnimeOne is l33t. They just finished Infinite Ryvius, are still releasing Azumanga Diaoh and now this!

W00T

It's a awesome episode that explains alot, but leaves alot of unanswered stuff!!! W00T friggin amaaaaazzzingg.


~klinky

thedarkmarine
17-07-2002, 07:05 PM
Rahxephon just doesn't know how to suck.

[spoiler]
One thing that has got me worried is that Dolem vs. RahXephon are all sorta bland, cause Dolem's are just immobile. I think that fear is going to dissappear if that "Pissed Dude" also gets a RahXephon. Quon now has a massive egg. Can't wait to see what comes out.

Oh well, it's nice to see someone pick off where someone else left off.

thedarkmarine
17-07-2002, 07:16 PM
Oh yeah, who here agrees that Maya and Gendo would make the ultimate couple. Maya reeks I'm-gonna-kick-your-sorry-ass. That last thing she says. I'm just like, OMFG. :bow:

Yurimitsu
17-07-2002, 11:11 PM
Originally posted by Kizzim
You think it reminds you of eva now? Ive watched up to episode 4. It just gets worse. I feel like every Evangelion fan is pissed off because the writer refused to continue the series and just ended it, so now they are fighting back by making a bunch of clones. Well, this is a clone :P I dunno if anyone has seen super atragon, but this movie is like super atragon and evangelion mixed together.

.. clone?..you can't say evangelion is original itself either... there were a lot of animes very similar to eva way before it's time.. but of course no one notices because they were made back in the good old days.. when anime wasn't exactly popular and as common as it is now...

thedarkmarine
17-07-2002, 11:31 PM
Originally posted by Yurimitsu


.. clone?..you can't say evangelion is original itself either... there were a lot of animes very similar to eva way before it's time.. but of course no one notices because they were made back in the good old days.. when anime wasn't exactly popular and as common as it is now...

STOP IT! WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS ALREADY! MOMMY HELP!

Yeah, it was long and ugly. Since you're new, I just thought I'd let you know.

Snake Eyes
18-07-2002, 07:31 AM
Well, it seems that anime junkies are not everyones favorite subbing group. That is fine. In most things where people have a chance to select something over another, favorites tend to be born. Some things are better than others. Some things a perceived to be better than others. Some groups have more experience than others. some groups, which may be young, can be comprised of time-tested battle ready veterans. Just because someone cannot do something as well as someone else it does not mean they shouldnt do it. In some cases, not all, time is good to those who use it wisely.

At any rate, Animejunkies have come a long way from where they were a while ago. The Animejunkies are far from perfect, but they do try very hard to bring the fans what they want, and in a timely fashion.

So, what does this all mean? If the Animejunkies are not "good" enough for the anime downloader, I would suggest to the anime downloader to get his/her stuff elsewhere, as Westlo suggested. The animejunkies will still be around (for a long time hopefully), and hopefully still getting better as time progresses. If time is good to the junkies, as I believe it has been so far, all the fans who walked away may have the reasons they seek to return later.

This is not to take anything from groups like AnimeOne, whom I happen to like very much. Personally, I like all fansubbing groups, although some more than others. They all put in the work so that I don't have to =)

Yes, though i am not a fansubber, I am a friend of the AnimeJunkies an have been for quite some time. I am also an op in their IRC channel.
(not an attempt to brag, just qualify my comments)

|Snake_Eyes|

thedarkmarine
18-07-2002, 08:23 AM
Well, I dislike them because aniverse is broken for me. :P

klinky
22-07-2002, 09:32 PM
Just checked #AnimeOne & Rah 19 is going to be released tonight @ 8pm PST! Hour and a half to go!


~klinky


EDIT: Finally done downloading!! Yipee, wouldv'e been sooner, but my NAT server crashed in the middle of the download...


EDIT2: :bawling: 19 is sad....

mtyoo
23-07-2002, 06:29 PM
ep 19 would have had a lot more impact if the blue friend had been developed more throughout the series. And since the blue friend wasn't really a major character (just a very minor minor character) you kind of knew what was going to happen before the halfway point in the episode. (It'll be interesting to see how this "a mulian can't exist without his/her dolem" plays out with Maya and Quon.)

Looks like the other blue friend is going to get some revenge.

Here's a question: if Ayato is a mulian, why doesn't he have blue blood? or has his blood changed since the first few episodes (Asahina had red blood during that train wreck in the first episode right? can't remember) He is supposed to be one because he has the mulian phase or whatnot.

thedarkmarine
23-07-2002, 06:59 PM
Agreed with Mytoo. They try to do that with showing their relationship during the episode. Still kicked ass though.

My theory on MU: A person is attached to a dolem without knowing. Those images with the mask is not really physical, but just an image. Then...blah blah.

Yurimitsu
23-07-2002, 07:42 PM
........ I think it's one very unique anime.... notice there's always wind blowing when it goes to a close up of one of the girls in the intro.... interesting how they incorporated singing in it.. in a different context from Macross.... but the intro song was what sealed the deal to me... gotta love that song...that and Mishima...

daniel480
24-07-2002, 09:40 AM
lol, gotta love Maaya Sakamoto!

She is after all, my favorite seiyuu, and that alone makes this anime a must see for me.

Yurimitsu
24-07-2002, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by daniel480
lol, gotta love Maaya Sakamoto!

She is after all, my favorite seiyuu, and that alone makes this anime a must see for me.

...actually it was Mishima that finalized RahXephon for me... look at her!... after seeing her and Quong... that was it.. I have to fiinish it... with the whole singing.. and the scarf...

thedarkmarine
24-07-2002, 05:37 PM
You silly mortals. It's all about the mecha.

Reika
25-07-2002, 03:16 AM
>>>>>>>>>EPS 19 SPOILERS<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<








Finished watching eps 19 today. And after seeing it the first thing that came to mind was the 18th episode of evangelion. Both quite simular. Both main chars facing their enemies to protect, but at the same time hurting the ones that they care about. With the entire first half of the eps showing Asahina and Ayato being together again and living together, I didn't expect the ending result what so ever. Pretty emotional episode.

mtyoo
25-07-2002, 05:38 AM
Yes spoilers obviously......



Not to drag the dreaded "E" word back into this thread, but anyhow, if ep18 from "E" is the one where "S" maims his buddy, then yes, I do see the connection. But in Rahxephon's case, Ayato HAS BEEN killing dolems before, and since mulians can't exist without their dolems, he has been killing living breathing human beings. Maya tells him this in episode 18, however it doesn't really kick in till one of those mulians has a face that he knows. And Ayato does the deed with such fervor and enthusiasm that the end result is even more horrifying. I would see someone having significant difficulty in coping with this in real life, but I get the feeling, from looking at the brief next episode trailer, that he gets over it pretty well. (Pessimism because I'm expecting at least one flaw/mistake in this series since there hasn't really been one yet IMO)

Didn't really think of "E" when I saw RXep19; instead it reminded me of how I felt (although of a lesser degree) after watching the movie "Lantana", at the end with the answering machine. It was like a deeper, more emotionally troubling form of "Sh*t happens".

Is "Allegretto" (spelling?) the name of that blue and white dolem? (the one that 'protects' rahxephon from vermillion and shows up in the first episode). It is Maya's?

Ilex201
25-07-2002, 07:55 AM
Spoilers ahead!









I think that Maya and Quon are obviously special because they don't requiere a dolem. Quon has to wear a life-support device all the time, but i haven't seen any dolem from her. Instead she got an "egg" like Ayato did. It seems that Maya and Quon were the first Mulians to arrive. But the great mystery is from where....
Another thought, could it be that Tokyo Jupiter isn't only a barrier but also a place where mulians can exist without a dolem. With so many people inside the place should have been full of dolems.
And Asahinas dolem seemed to follow her kind of instinctivly, without direct control like the other dolems.
But Ep. 19 was pretty sad with Asahinas problems about herself being a mulian and Ayatos wish to protect her but ending up killing her instead.

thedarkmarine
25-07-2002, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by Ilex201

I think that Maya and Quon are obviously special because they don't requiere a dolem. Quon has to wear a life-support device all the time, but i haven't seen any dolem from her. Instead she got an "egg" like Ayato did. It seems that Maya and Quon were the first Mulians to arrive. But the great mystery is from where....
Another thought, could it be that Tokyo Jupiter isn't only a barrier but also a place where mulians can exist without a dolem. With so many people inside the place should have been full of dolems.
And Asahinas dolem seemed to follow her kind of instinctivly, without direct control like the other dolems.


I say you're wrong. Remember, that girl doesn't realize she's attached. The attached image is just an image, nothing physical. As for Quon getting an egg, remember where RahXephon came from.

Ilex201
25-07-2002, 01:56 PM
But i think that Rahxephon is not a normal Dolem, since Ayato existed without any Dolem before he got Rahxephon. Same with Quon. Otherwise you are right.

thedarkmarine
25-07-2002, 02:20 PM
Your missing the important part. Note how there was a Asahina with a mask, and one without. The one without didn't realize that there was another self that was attached to a dolem.

Ilex201
25-07-2002, 04:21 PM
Ooops, that makes sense. I didn't see it that way, i thought it was only in Asahinas mind.

thedarkmarine
25-07-2002, 04:39 PM
Another point, I believe Ayato's "masked self" is Reika. As for Quon's also being the same person...I say, "Let me see more, then I'll get back to you."

mtyoo
25-07-2002, 08:36 PM
Mishima does tell Ayato that "I am you" (possibly a translation snafu), so I guess this brings up some disturbing sexually confusing themes.

Reika
31-07-2002, 01:42 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>EPS 20 JUST WATCHED<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>>>>>>>NO SPOILERS<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<




HUGE LETDOWN. The animation quality, what happened to it? All of the characters looked odd as well. It was horrible. Is Bones having a budget problem ala Gainax and Eva? Seriously it was hard to believe this was done by the same people who did 1-19. And what an eps 19 was and then this?

mtyoo
31-07-2002, 02:10 AM
What?!? OH NO! Haven't watched it yet, hope it's not TOO bad.

Sigh.

Westlo
31-07-2002, 02:27 AM
Well Reika said this on another thread (AN

Just finished watching RX 20 >>>>>>no spoilers<<<<<<<. I must say I am very disappointed. The action sequences were handled well but what the hell was up with the character designs and the animation quality? It went from being 2nd to no one to average at best. What is going on Studio Bones?



Are you sure the actual animation quality is dropping Reika? Maybe it's because the raws aren't as good, for example heres the raw for episode 21

Send #1: Jed-AWAY has 0% of Rahxephon21.avi(92.1 Mb) at 14215 CPS. [About 1 Hour 52 Minutes and 59 Seconds left]

Maybe the raws are just bad quality? Though the facial expressions certainly can't be blamed on raws, and I have noticed a difference in them.

Sigh just as I am about to catch up (thx Klinky) another ep comes out, thats a good thing though. Seen eps 17, 18 and the first half of 19 (divfix rules). 17 and 18 blew me away and 19 seems to be setting me up for an emtional kinghit.

Reika
31-07-2002, 03:18 AM
Ok here are some pics I took. The pics themselves aren't THAT great of quality due to editing (resizing) and print/screen just sucks in general.

But overlooking those flaws you can see that the characters just look different and quality has gone down.

But none the less, some scenes in 20 are animated beautifully but the chars just look 'odd' at times. Kind of annoying.

Before
http://gallery.point-blank.cc/albums/rahxephon/abp.jpg
http://gallery.point-blank.cc/albums/rahxephon/aag.jpg
http://gallery.point-blank.cc/albums/rahxephon/aah.jpg

After (nothing spoiled)

mtyoo
31-07-2002, 03:34 AM
Argh, just watched ep20. The quality of the encoding is fine, it's just the animation is completely blegh. It really reminds me of how gasaraki's art 'style' went to crap early on during that series. It was actually hard to watch, not because I'm completely dependant on eye-candy, though it helps a lot, but because of the quality of the series up to this point. ep20 art looked almost like those SNL animation shorts (the ambiguously gay duo and real audio[?]) it's that much of a degradation from the previous 19 episodes. And what makes it worse is that ep20 has one of the larger action sequences so far, and could have been made much much better than this (although the showdown between rahxephon and the dolem is animated well, although it was very brief).

From the preview of ep21, the shot of Quon and then sayoko (itsuki's assistant) looks a little iffy, but the shot of Ayato with Mamoru and Megumi looks like the animation style of ep1-19. So we can still hope that ep21+ goes back to normal and ep20 was because of some freak accident, like maybe payroll was screwed up or something. If anyone has seen the raws to 21+ please let us know :)

Reika
31-07-2002, 03:48 AM
21 aired today so I don't think anyone has the raws yet :D

mtyoo
31-07-2002, 03:29 PM
Really? Someone in animeone was supposedly getting the raw for 21 last night...... THE LIAR!

klinky
31-07-2002, 03:39 PM
Iam attaching a image that really shows the problem.


It's between Ep12 & Ep20.

It's of the short grey haired dude.

Notice the extreme difference in the eyes & the chin. I know the images are at a slightly different angle, but still it looks bad in Ep20.

The colors also seem washed out and in th full picture his uniform seems green in episode 20, rather then a crisp grey in ep12.


~klinky

klinky
31-07-2002, 03:41 PM
Here's another strange picture.

his head seems to be able to do a 360 around his neck...



~klinky

klinky
31-07-2002, 03:42 PM
forgot to attach the image....

klinky
31-07-2002, 03:43 PM
one last time....


annoying....

hGh
31-07-2002, 04:38 PM
ACK ! 0_o, just when I watched the also sad and beautiful 19th episode - and now this... oh why ? WHY ?!!

Reika
31-07-2002, 06:40 PM
His name is

Isshiki Makoto :D (mr albino)

I'll just give a list of all the chars

Kisaragi Itsuki (lead scientist)
Rikudoh Shohgo (care taker of Megumi and Haruka)
Futagami Johji (reporter)
Kunugi Jin (first commanding officer we see)
Yagumo Souichi (Kim Hotal's boyfriend and ranking officer)
Kamina Ayato (main char)
Elvy Hadhiyat (female pilot, pilots Vermillion)
Nanamori Sayoko (Kisaragi's partner)
Kisaragi Quon (pinky)
Shitow Haruka (person who saves ayato in the first eps)
Kim Hotal (friend of Megumi and Souichi's gf)
Shitow Megumi (Haruka's sister)
Asahina Hiroko (Ayato's childhood friend)
Mishima Reika (girl in yellow dress)
Maya Kamina (Ayato's mother)
Shirou Kori (Chief Director,guy with patch)
Helena Barbem (supposedly Barbem's niece)
Ernst von Barbem (head of the foundation that supports Terra)
Mamoru Torigai (Asahina's boyfriend)



Also one of my friends told me that sometimes studios let new comers do one eps in a series to become more experienced. There was a website that exploited this in shows but he didn't rememeber the link. Because eps 21 looks like things are back to normal maybe this was the case. I heard Eva even had an eps done like this but it was well done and not noticable.

Westlo
01-08-2002, 02:25 AM
Also one of my friends told me that sometimes studios let new comers do one eps in a series to become more experienced. There was a website that exploited this in shows but he didn't rememeber the link. Because eps 21 looks like things are back to normal maybe this was the case. I heard Eva even had an eps done like this but it was well done and not noticable.

Yeah this happens alot in animes, sometimes not that noticeable, but sometimes very (rah20, eva 06, half the macross eps).

The Evangelion episode in question is ep 6, though it doesn;t look no were near as bad since as you said Rah went from second to none to average while eva went from good to average.

I hope they aren't running out of time to finish the series, since its been pushed back a bit. RahXephon was supposed to have finished airing either yesterday or next week (started jan 30).

Anyway I saw some pics Klinky showed me and they were horrendous, we complaing about this in #aone and were just about being flamed for saying that. Some stupid peeps thought we were baggin the subbing. I don't know what Animation and Character designs has to do with a groups encode :rolleyes:

I watched episode 19 (a tad late hey) and gee that hit me hard. More than the Rurouni Kenshin OVA, more than Scryed, more than Trigun.

It's amazing how they got it so emtional for such a minor character, whats it going to be like when a major character bites the dust (if that happens).

The sad(er) thing about the episode is it seems the Dolem had come to find Asahina (the hello, how are you, I need help messagers) and because Ayato was so focused on protecting Asahina he missed what he might have seen at first. It was brilliantly done, the music, the animation, the direction, ---- that was awesome.

As for Eva ep 18/9 (can't recall which one), a major difference is that he killed Asahina with his own hands, he attacked first. While in the eva ep, Shinji just watced the dummy plug get to work, Toji survived, the unit03 had wiped out his friends and beat shinji already.

Nothing minor about that.

A ------ great ep, I'll try and watch 20 and concentrate on the actual ep and not the animation.

mtyoo
01-08-2002, 04:10 AM
If that is true, then the newbie animators must have not gotten the job or been fired, because some of the animation was horrendous. Whoever drew makoto must have had a bad case of the shakes or cataracts, either way let's hope we don't see the art team that did ep20 ever again, in any series.

^FallenAngel^
01-08-2002, 08:34 PM
Is this anime worth getting it??:confused:

hGh
02-08-2002, 05:33 AM
I would say it is, becouse episodes 1-19 are just beautiful, and I think 21-26 will not be inferiour.

fushi
02-08-2002, 07:30 AM
(dumdidum, first post :) )

i was also rather shocked by the quality of the 20th episode, not only because the visual side was.. how should i put it.. weird? but also the storyline was kind of fast forwarded (i had to watch ep 19 again because i really had the feeling that i completley missed something there).
it's rather sad that RX has only 26 episodes, i have the feeling that the series is heading towards a really fast ending, too fast actually (ep 20 was the beginning of it, imho).
but, it's not good to make hasty judgements :rolleyes: i'll just have to wait and see. in any case, it definatly (mind the spelling :sweatdrop ) is becoming one of my all time favs :)

Reika
02-08-2002, 08:38 AM
I didn't find the pacing any different but it did bring a lot more questions. Why the hell was Reika there all of a sudden?

Westlo
03-08-2002, 01:09 PM
Okay I've now fully watched the infamous ep 20.

The mecha side of this episode was animated good, it's like they spent all their budget on the mecha side of the ep. If not a different studio, their would have to have been at least a new key animator for that ep. Isshiki Makoto, Shitow Haruka , Shitow Megumi and at times Ayato looked horrible in that episode. And the animation looked stilted in the first 5 minutes. Ayato looked decent in the mecha fight at for most of her time Elvy looked normal. The colouring for this ep was off as well.

I doubt the producers of RahXephon are having problems with money, i think time is RahXephon's achilles heel. I mean there was another 3 weeks delay between 20th and 21st episode in Japan. If nothing else we're only one episode behind the japanese viewers. Also lots of fans in japan were pissed about ep 20's aniamtion I heard, perhaps they are going to take more time with the rest of the eps know. Remember RahXephon was suppose to have finished airing the last week of July (or first of August)

Now to actually talk about the content of the episode (shock)

It seems the Reika/Haruka connection is becoming apparant now, interesting to note that when Reika asks Ayato who he really wants to protect she looks at Haruka. it seems the ending of the opening animation now makes more sense (Haruka and Reika crossing each other with an egg in the background).

Reika also once again manifests herself and seems to fit into her surroundings. Asahina and Mamoru knew her when she was with them, yet in episode 18 had no idea who she was. Makato and everyone else had no idea who she was at first. To say the least it will be interesting to see what Reika truly is at the end of RahXephon.

Mamoru seems to have a dolem that matches RahXephon in terms of versability. It's shaped like rahxephon and is not some giant floating target, finally a worthy match for RahXephon might occur. And I don't mean Mamooru's dolem, perhaps it will be Quon's RahXephon......you never know.

Donnies death was rather rushed and cliche, the hankerchief speech gave away what was going to happen to him. Is RahXephon going to go down the Zeta Gundam path? Well if a major character bites the dust next ep it might.

From the next ep scenes it appears RahXephon is back in the hands of the normal crew, The colouring looks good, and Megumi's chin doesn't look weird anymore.

Ep 20 was quite a good ep apart from the bad colouring and art of the characters.

GiZMO
03-08-2002, 01:39 PM
Who said something about the order RahXephon comes in order of anime series.. I seem to not be able to find it... Maybe a different thread.

GiZMO
03-08-2002, 01:40 PM
Who said something about the order RahXephon comes in order of anime series.. I seem to not be able to find it... Maybe a different thread.

Reika
03-08-2002, 07:54 PM
To anyone who cares, eps 21 is out. Time to watch.

Westlo
04-08-2002, 05:28 PM
And it seems the animation is back to normal

EP 22 is suppose to air tomorrow, unless theirs another long break, which I would prefer over another filler studio ep.

Now to get 21.

mtyoo
04-08-2002, 08:09 PM
Just watched ep21.

Thank god the regular artists are back and quality control was working, though it wasn't that great of an episode. It was a bit too slow paced for an episode near the endgame and, although it's not really a bad thing, I would wish they'd clear up some old plot developments before they start new ones, or at least introduce these 'surprises' earlier in the series. (like the whole barbem[?] foundation aspect).



spoilers

Looks like Kim is pregnant, so we'll see where that goes in the few episodes left....

When Ernst was talking to Quon, he says 'your brother', yet when Itsuki was talking to himself in the mirror after talking to Ayato, he says 'brother'. So do we assume Itsuki is referring to Ayato? Thus Ernst was talking about Ayato instead of Itsuki when he said 'brother'?

Ishtori looks to be in control of everything, though we still don't know what/who the hell she is.

Westlo
04-08-2002, 08:21 PM
I had a feeling that Reika and Haruka were connected.

Read this thread, Menoumaru knows what hes on about. After reading that I'm quite happy that most of the stuff i've been thinking was right, there wasnt many suprises for me but it did expand on quite a few things.

http://pub52.ezboard.com/futmanimefrm2.showMessageRange?topicID=117.topic&start=1&stop=20

I agree with Menoumaru that Reika is probably using Harukas old body (Look) but the only thing about that is how Maya recognised Haruka....

Funny to see this japanese doesn't think RahXephon rips of evangelion in any way and uses super robot cliches, much like Evangelion did.

mtyoo
04-08-2002, 09:13 PM
spoilers spoilers blah




well, the whole mishima using haruka's younger self idea doesn't make a whole lot of sense because we did see haruka's younger self in ep13, where a little megumi hides behind haruka. There, although it is not a close up, she doesn't look anything like mishima; she just looks like a younger version of herself, as you would expect. But who knows?

klinky
05-08-2002, 10:52 AM
I saw ep 21.

It was pretty good. I like those slow kind of personal "day in the life of" episodes....which actually is kinda like what Kare Kano did, probably why I liked it so much...hmmm

Anyways...things are really stiring up here.

I found it really funny when Haruka was drawing while Ishitori was talking.. :lol: ;)


Megumi-chan I think is turning out to be the ultra-kawaii character of the series.

Kim being pregnant......ooooh... Strange... that was rather sudden... :rolleyes:

We get to see Quon's panties again - always a plus.


About the Reika haruka thing I think most likely not.

http://coolantx.hn.org:8080/images/young-haruka.jpg
Looks kinda that Adams Family chick.

There are scenes with haruka in her middle-school outfit, they never show her face. Though I doubt she is using haruka's younger body, since Haruka has black hair and Reika has brown hair......


~klinky

Reika
06-08-2002, 02:49 AM
What eps is that pic from? I am forgetful :(

Westlo
06-08-2002, 03:03 AM
EP 13 I think, Mytoo mentioned it earlier, she looks nothing like Reika....but like Mytoo said you never know.

I had actually forgotten that scene, was ep 13 the one where the dolem tryed to mindfuck Ayato? Or was that 11?

Bah who knows whats this series, we will all probably look like fools after it ends with our best guesses being so far off the mark it wouldn't be funny.

I'll watch ep 21 soon then post back

Reika
06-08-2002, 03:33 AM
Laugh, I know what you mean. We're probably putting way too much thought into this, either that, or not enough. Once we get the answers I bet it will be obvious , all the clues were there but we just couldn't put the pieces together. Or something that is completely offball.

Westlo
06-08-2002, 10:28 AM
I saw ep one about 5 hours ago, then explorer crashed and I had to reinstall windows

Joy

I liked ep 21, who cares if theirs no action as long as they build the plot up it's all good.

Hmm the doctor and Ayato, he called him brother and he's no rapper, he also has the same mark of Xephon and he's the same age as Haruka (and we all know who else should be that age.

Reika sees Mamoru and seems to not want to manipulate him, like she did do it in the first ep.

The Reika/Haruka thing is dead. If all the informed Mulians can recognize her as the <insert the thing they call her Ishiorti (whatever)> then she isn't using that body and as Mytoo mentioned and with Klinky provided a pic, they don't look alike.

Was Reika telling Makato what to do in the car (along the lines of a jedi mind trick) or was she just praising his ego.

I hope the director of RahXephon hasn't been watching too many Tomino shows, or we all know whats going to happen in the end.

Tomino is known as the kill em all director which he lived upto in Space Runaway Ideon. He also did a little known anime called Mobile Suit Gundam.


So let go out on a limb

Happy ending or sad ending or completely ------ up ending

And who do you want Ayato to end up with

Haruka, Quon or Megumi

And does anyone know if episode 22 aired tonight (i think it airs in 3 hours if i have my australia to japan time right, aus are two hours ahead i think)?

Reika
06-08-2002, 08:15 PM
As much as I would like to see Haruka get her Jr High crush, I think I would like to see him get together with Megumi. She's already had her heart broken, she doesn't need that again. Sure Ayato and Quon have a lot in common but she is just a weirdo if you ask me lol.

mtyoo
06-08-2002, 09:59 PM
I always sort of figured Ayato would end up with Megumi, since she is not too old and not too weird, and acted funny around Ayato all the time in the first half. Hopefully the 'she reminds me of Asahina' isn't a foreshadowing of her demise. Rahxephon turning into a killfest in the last few episodes is always a possibility gnawing at the back of my mind, but we haven't really seen any major characters die so far (Asahina was very secondary until that episode) and the series just doesn't seem like it will become a massacre.

That being said, a few of the characters are more likely to see the grim reaper than others, and I think they should buy some life insurance now: Sayoko, Maya, Mamoru, Kim, and well, Haruka(!).

But nothing is a safe bet right now and everything is pretty much a wild and crazy guess since we aren't even in the final stages yet.

Westlo
08-08-2002, 09:35 AM
I too want him to end up with megumi, but it seems set for him to either end upwith Haruka after regaining his memories, or it being a very bad ending for all of them.

They will either kill Megumi off or Kill Haruka off just after Ayato regains his memories. (That would be awesome, yet so cheap, I don't want it to happen but it would be awesome if done right)

And I predict Quon's RahXephon will either fight or merge with Ayayo's. Hopefully the design rocks though it will probably be the same design but black where Ayatos one is white (since quons egg is black and ayatos was white)

Mentioning ep 13 on noateds thread people were saying that she could have changed her look and that Reika calling herself Haruka is a big clue. (as well as haruka's reaction upon seeing her) It's too obvious in my opinion, her calling herself Haruka, I reckon their trying to get the viewer to think she might be using Haruka's older body, they only show the younger Haruka for a few seconds or so.

Anyway when the doctor calls Ayato his brother he is either saying elder brother or twin (elder twin of course). Brother was a correct english term but in japanese it meant elder brother.

I think he is a clone of Ayato or was meant to be what Ayato turned out to be. Notice he says to Haruka I'm just a substitue compared to him, perhaps that line means more than it was suppose to?

I predict a few of the minor characters will die and at least 3 of the major (maya, makato, quon.....and one of haruka and megumi).

klinky
10-08-2002, 04:31 PM
oh hah hahaha

klinky
10-08-2002, 04:38 PM
oh yeah and isn't little megumi-chan just super adorable..just so kawaii!

http://coolantx.hn.org:8080/images/youngmegumi.jpg


~klinky

Westlo
12-08-2002, 03:30 AM
Originally posted by klinky
oh hah hahaha

Thats a parody?

mtyoo
12-08-2002, 10:52 PM
22 is out.

A bunch of weird developments in this one, and one major surprise.

I have no idea how the hell Helena fits into this mess, so the ending of 22 makes little sense right now to me, but Quon is pretty much looking like the nemesis to Ayato in this ep, though nothing is concrete. Next four episodes will be crazy.

Reika
12-08-2002, 11:22 PM
Originally posted by mtyoo
22 is out.

A bunch of weird developments in this one, and one major surprise.

I have no idea how the hell Helena fits into this mess, so the ending of 22 makes little sense right now to me, but Quon is pretty much looking like the nemesis to Ayato in this ep, though nothing is concrete. Next four episodes will be crazy.


Hai, still getting mine. Also getting Azumanga 14, .hack//Sign 17, and recieved Chobits 19 last night.

klinky
13-08-2002, 05:48 AM
Who released Azu14?



Aone = no
NLA/Ishin = no


:bawling:


~klinky

klinky
13-08-2002, 06:38 AM
Just saw EP22....


as usual spoilers follow...


Megumi now knows the truth about haruka and ayato.

Ayato hopefully rejected ishtori or whatever and will not loose his human form... Klinky hopes...


Quon seems to be becoming a rival of Ayato and Iam guessing will ultimately die....

Haruka was fired, but the white snake got fired and tangled up too... and now he's gone crazy...

Quon and Ishtori or whatever seem to have orgasms... this alone was worth the download....

nice fan servicey shots....

nice deep plot movements...


Though if you ask me it seems Rah has a different feel, things seem different after that horridly animated ep20...

What's up with Haruka's uncle also being Ayato's grand father...?? We dun talking innner bread luvin' goin' on???


~klinky

Reika
13-08-2002, 10:03 PM
Lol. WHITE SNAKE. That was classic.

mtyoo
13-08-2002, 11:08 PM
Ayato isn't genetically Maya Kamina's son, and Maya Kamina isn't genetically the daughter of Rikudoh (Haruka's uncle), so on a genetic standpoint, since the genes come from different hereditary lines, there should be no problems. On a cultural/ethical standpoint, it is wild and crazy.

The family trees in rahxephon are messed up, since you have to take the words 'daughter', 'son', etc., with a grain of salt. I really don't understand rahxephon's familial links.

So far as I know,

1. Ayato, Quon, Itsuki are supposedly siblings. Itsuki has the same mark of xephon as Ayato, Quon does not (pretty sure it is not similar at all).

2. Ayato is the genetic son of Kori (?)(the guy w/ the patch)

3. Ayato is the son of Maya, only in name

4. Maya is the daughter of Rikudoh, only in name

5. Rikudoh is the uncle of Megumi and Haruka

6. Helena, Makoto, and Itsuki are all the same version (guess they came from the same test tube batch? who knows)

7. Jin, Kori, and Rikudoh all have some relation to one another, though if it is familial I have no idea yet)

8. This could all be wrong.

MDWigs
16-08-2002, 05:46 AM
I think it will be very interesting to see how they conclude this. With 4 episodes to go it seems to be as if most of the "large" barriers are already starting to be dealt with. The major issues are coming to the surface. Are they going to spend another couple of episodes dealing with them and then the final two to bring it all together? Or are they going to throw something different and completely unexpected at us. A great deal can happen in four episodes.

klinky
19-08-2002, 11:54 PM
{crickets chirping} Man, I want the last episodes damnit...



chirp
chirp
chirp


~klinky

Reika
21-08-2002, 08:02 PM
Watched 23 last night. Good episode.

Who was that apparition that walked through Rikudoh's body?

Kunugi really turned into a character I liked. Through out the first few episodes I percieved him as the stuck up military intelligence type but he slowly turned into a character I enjoyed and eventually was portrayed as someone who really cared about what he was fighting for.












Just when you thought using all of the cities missiles were Kunugi's last resort, he pulls out that trump card and sacrificed himself.

It seems Ayato is also finally coming to his realization of the importance Reika is to him as well.

After that that MU attack, the island TERRA was part of is starting to look like Neo Tokyo ;).

Westlo
22-08-2002, 07:03 AM
Havn't watched eps 22 and 23 yet, but while looking at Studio Bones website for pics on Wolf's Rain I saw that the 3rd ost for RahXephon came out yesterday

http://www.bones.co.jp/

Some nice pics their, from the box, osts covers, dvd volumes and all that.

mtyoo
22-08-2002, 03:13 PM
Those dvd covers are great! What do you think is the chance that we'll see those covers when ADV brings them over here? I'd say zero since every cover adv puts out looks like @ss (along with pretty much every other company's covers and box sets)


sigh



btw. what other group is subbing rx?

Reika
22-08-2002, 05:37 PM
AnimeJunkies I believe released 23.

Oh, and original cover art isn't that far fetched. ADV handled the Kenshin Tsuiokuhen OVA's and had the original covers on the flipside. But they did that because the japanese covers contained spoilers.

Westlo
23-08-2002, 02:51 AM
Yeah those dvd covers look awesome, as does the box.

ADV with Noir are using the R2 (Japanese) covers so it could happen for RahXephon. Only problem is 13 japanese dvds compared to 6 american dvds, so even if they have reverse covers we still miss out on one.

Is the third ost out on the net yet, I wanna get that and the Witch Hunter Robin single, I think they came out on the same day.

Reika
23-08-2002, 03:50 AM
True. I need to find some HQ pics of the art. Maybe some will show up after an artbook comes out. I want to design a box and have Paul Champagne make it sometime next year. He'll probably end up making one on his own if the show is as big as I think it will be next year.

Plus Im sure an artbook will cover all of the dvd covers so we won't have to worry about missing out on any artwork, but some still would enjoy having all of them.

How many and which vhs covers weren't put on the eva dvds?

And regaurding the dvd releases. Is it true or purely speculation that they will re-animate scenes from eps 20 for the dvd release? I heard a lot of the Japanese followers were pretty upset.

Westlo
23-08-2002, 09:05 AM
Thats news to me, I hope they do since while it doesn't take anything away from RahXephon it is annoying. Getting 25 eps of superb animation and then that average ep was just well a cop out. I know they outsourced it to save time but theres no reason they can't fix it for the dvd release.

It's not something I would lose sleep over but it would be nice of them to do it.

mtyoo
23-08-2002, 04:21 PM
For Rikudo's ghost, the only thing I could think of was that it was his wife (deceased?). The apparition had mulian-esque garb on I think?

Kuki was a little too over the top; the villain who is evil 'just because'. Maybe needed a little more backstory of why he ordered Jin to use the bomb.

Really nice animation in this episode; can't wait for the artbook(s).

Ishitori is great in this episode, as opposed to her megalomaniacal countenance last episode.

Reika
23-08-2002, 07:01 PM
Indeed. There was like no understanding given as to why that commander went so ape.

MDWigs
23-08-2002, 10:58 PM
I really liked episode 23, though there were a couple of things I disliked. The underdeveloped "evil guy" has already been mentioned, that seemed rather clichéd. I really liked the music in this episode, and I have generally not really noticed much of the music before as being particularly good (which is sad considering so much of the show is "sound" orientated). Overall it was an excellent episode, I'm looking forward to seeing how they conclude it.

Reika
24-08-2002, 02:12 AM
Speaking of music.

Van, I know you have the first two OST's, what songs do you suggest listening to? I haven't had a chance to get a hold of them yet. Besides Hemisphere that is.

fushi
24-08-2002, 05:44 AM
ooh, now ep 23 was really-really nice, especially ishitori, whos' appearance changed totally. she looked much more friendly and far less mysterious. nice :)

I agree with the commander thing, but he seems to be more of a sidecharacter, so i guess it doesn't matter that much.

mm, and the soundtrack... fromt he first one "hemisphere", "avant, ren dez-vou"s, "bad news", "solitudes" & "yume no tamago" are very nice. from the sond one "runnin'" & "ramblin'" which seem to be rather the same, "la la maladie du sommeil" are good.. but the SOT's sound he best as a whole. if you don't mind me giving my humble opinion :P

DistMan
24-08-2002, 02:21 PM
Well I've seen the 23 first episodes.

And it has some similarities to EVA. But the plotline is waaay different and that's what matters.

It's great anime. I might buy the DVD box when it gets out.

fushi
25-08-2002, 06:45 PM
i just got my tiny hands on the third RX OST and i love it, it's really great, it had all the tunes i hoped it would have + some rather odd tunes too ("guten morgen," or "good morning" if translated from german," for example) so the series might get crazy throughout the last 3 episodes, at least i hope so. :D
and i like the piano solo tracks, they are really good and play an important part in the whole RX atmosphere, imho.

edit: the "Hemisphere" single is also very good. it contains only 3 tracks (it's a single after all), but the second song, "ongaku" is veryvery good. the other 2 songs are just "Hemisphere" and the fono (without maaya) version of "Hemisphere."

Westlo
26-08-2002, 02:31 AM
edit: the "Hemisphere" single is also very good. it contains only 3 tracks (it's a single after all), but the second song, "ongaku" is veryvery good. the other 2 songs are just "Hemisphere" and the fono (without maaya) version of "Hemisphere

Yep Ongaku is pretty good, too bad it wasn't used in the show, I like it.

I gotta get ahold of the 3rd ost myself, what would you rank the osts Fushi?

fushi
26-08-2002, 04:08 AM
I gotta get ahold of the 3rd ost myself, what would you rank the osts Fushi?

hmm.. tough one, they're all good, but:
1 - RX OST 1 - contains most of the jazzy tracks + the track solitudes & the opening and ending themes. it's rather mellow, with a few songs, which come from the action scenes.
2 - RX OST 3 - contains some track's we'll yet have to encounter in the series and it's the ony one which has songs with guitar riffs in it (no wait, the 2n OST has also one, "flying fighter"), but also the beautifully minimlistic piano songs
3 - RX OST 2 - a rather melanholic cd, but as the 2 others, it jumps between styles, and ends with rather dark sounds + a piano track once more. it also contains the english ending, which i don't really like

Hiigaran
26-08-2002, 04:51 PM
Alrighty, I've seen eps 1-15, but my fountain of availablitiy has run dry. Anyone have the rest of the series? Help me Obi-Wan kenobi! I need your help!

Westlo
27-08-2002, 02:28 AM
Well I can't help you since I have such a crap connection but I'm sure someone else in here might be able to help you.

Whats your take on the series so far anyway Hiig?

DistMan
27-08-2002, 05:47 AM
Good luck in findin the eps ;)

Hiigaran
27-08-2002, 06:05 AM
Originally posted by Westlo
Well I can't help you since I have such a crap connection but I'm sure someone else in here might be able to help you.

Whats your take on the series so far anyway Hiig?

I'm having fun watching it. I'm liking the vague references to music, such as calling the Orin a performer and all that. Really the only issue I have is that the Dolems which attack every episode have no individuality....its a monster of the week thing and it gets kind of old. It would be nice if each dolem had a little more personality. The only one that did, so far, was the one that created the gate and "transported" Ayato inside Tokyo Jupiter.

fushi
27-08-2002, 06:35 AM
Originally posted by Hiigaran
It would be nice if each dolem had a little more personality.

I'm sure you will be pleasantly surprised with ep 19 ;)

Kerensky
29-08-2002, 01:11 AM
Originally posted by Hiigaran
Alrighty, I've seen eps 1-15, but my fountain of availablitiy has run dry. Anyone have the rest of the series? Help me Obi-Wan kenobi! I need your help!

Try using a file sharing network like iMesh or Direct Connect.

As for the show I just finished 23 (10 in a row tonight, had to finish them all!) A good episode and they seem to be pulling everything together. Its going to be interesting to see how they manage to deal with all the floating city things above the cities of earth.

Westlo
29-08-2002, 03:29 AM
Episode 24 is out, damn it I haven't even got all of 23 yet!

Enjoy

klinky
29-08-2002, 08:06 AM
Ep24 was quite interesting....

SPOILERS FOLLOW:



-Finally Haruka and Ayato confess their lovu lovu, and kiss. I was kinda hoping Megumi-chan would win out, but Megumi saw how much Ayato meant to Haruka and let Haruka have him. How old is Haruka again? That would be pretty fine to be 17 and have a 20-something chick. Only thing cooler would be if it was Misato...

-Whitey dude was stuck in confinement for awhile. I guess the Foundation, after abandoning him, let's him pilot his own mecha. He then later gets blown up.

-Quon is looking ultra-kawaii in that black dress.

-Losta action sequences in here, very nice animation throughout.


This episode reminds me the of Eva run amok episode. It's quite similar. Ayato merges with RahXehpon and his concience and soul exist, but his body does not. The same thing happens with Shinji & Eva. Also Rah makes similar noises to Eva when going amok :p

The show seems to be running on cliches if you ask me. Kusinagi(commander dude with the dead daughter) dying in a hero battle with a cliche evil character. Then everyone dying on Haruka's friend's team. Then Whitey Dude wears a black mask until his mecha gets blown up and the mask cracks to reveal his face to shock people.

Another thing to note is that everyone seems to have done a 360 in terms of personality. Ever since the ep20 disaster Rah just hasn't been the same.


~klinky

Hiigaran
29-08-2002, 12:17 PM
DAMN YOU EPISODE 19!!!

not asahina.....

mtyoo
29-08-2002, 03:25 PM
ep24







That wasn't makoto, 'whitey', who dies, they are simply clones, just like the 'real' makoto is a clone. Remember the episode where it shows helena, makoto, and itsuki as kids? The instructor had the same appearance as makoto has now. You see in the preview the real makoto getting revenge.

The art wasn't that great in this episode, especially the shots of rahxephon.

Kind of a disappointing episode, especially since ep23 was so good and there are only 2 episodes left to answer all the riddles and end the series.

Reika
29-08-2002, 11:52 PM
True, some shots weren't that well presented but the explosions were very nice. Especially the one where Elvy got her 15 seconds of fame. Too bad Kathy's death was pretty much non emotional.

mtyoo
30-08-2002, 01:17 AM
Speaking of non-emotional erasures of characters......

What annoys me (has disappointed me) in rahxephon is the 'who cares?' factor in most of these deaths. I mean, there has been only one memorable death so far, the rest have been bleh. Jin's death was handled badly; there should have been a flashback to his daughter and what had happened to her. A photo burning doesn't really do it for me. Yeah it would have been cliched but it was hell of a lot better than some pointless psychopath laughing up a storm. Jin's episode was sooo damn good. What a contrast.

I feel that they might as well have kept the characters alive who had just bought the farm in the last few eps. It wouldn't have really affected the story much, if at all. Elvy, one of my fav characters in the beginning, really didn't amount to much, and thus her wingmen, who didn't have more than 10 lines total, were even more insignificant. And we had seen these now deceased characters in the first half of rahxephon, so their deaths *should* affect us more. It was like ants dying underfoot; only a monk would care.

And what the hell was the point of Kuki and Miwa? (Maya's lackeys) They had no real point belonging in the story at all. I was expecting that big bad dolem we saw from ep1 to be Maya's dolem, and thus it's destruction would have had quite a bit of impact, but noooooo.....

I feel the writing has gone south since the middle episodes, and I hope Rahxephon isn't leading up to some huge anticlimax. (oxymoron :P)

Megumi was a better choice, hope Haruka dies. :goody:

DistMan
30-08-2002, 04:12 AM
I've been waiting for Haruka and Ayato to get togheter, and finally, they confessed their love for eachother and kissed...

How sweet isn't it? :love:


It's strange though that she says that she dated him when she was 14...His memory had been tampered with and all...

lesse, she was...26..or something like that, and was is 17, 18

That means that he would've been 5 years old or so? Hmm nono, something's wrong here, I feel that I*ve forgotten something important! Wah! this is one of the downsides when they release one episode every couple of week or so. You tend to forgett small details.


I agree that the character interraction/development has gone straight downhill during the latter episodes indeed... :/

mtyoo
30-08-2002, 03:22 PM
Remember, you don't really age in Tokyo Jupiter, and since Itsuki is Ayato's 'twin', Ayato should be, if he were never in T-J, to be the same age as Itsuki. So there is a ten year gap now between Ayato and Haruka, she is 29, but when they were dating, before the whole T-J screwed up time, they were basically the same age.

They do show the different times on someone's watch, I think Haruka's, somewhere in the first couple episodes. I can't remember if the people in T-J did not age at all, or aged at a very slow pace compared to the outside world. Itsuki said that Ayato was unchanged since the incident, but that could just be a figure of speech.

DistMan
30-08-2002, 04:50 PM
Ahh yes THAT's it. I knew that I'd forgotten something essential..

MDWigs
01-09-2002, 06:34 AM
24 was rather a so-so episode. I thought the Haruka and Ayato kiss was done well, though I don't particular like Haruka, I think she suffered from some poor writing early on in the series, in the way she interacted with Ayato initially. A 14 year old girl wouldn't act that way, let along a 29 year old woman. That put her offside for me, so though it was "destined" that her and Ayato "confess" I didn't feel the impact that I probably should have.

More characters died... Oh well... The whole action sequence was rather lame in my opinion. Massive full scale confrontations are extremely hard to do, however I've seen it done much better than the way the RahXephon guys went about it. For a truly massive scale they could have gone the way of Gunbuster, and depicted in that way, but even more recently at the end of Vandread 2nd Stage they managed to pull off a huge scale battle quite convincingly. Hopefully this will be continued in the next two episodes, and we will see a truly spectacular RahXephon battle, however as it stands that was very disappointing.

I've commented on this previously, but I believe that RahXephon seriously suffers from having too many characters. I don't care about Elvy, I don't care about her wingman. I don't care about the young commander guy and the girl he likes. That relationship was neglected completely for most of the series and tacking on a 2 minute farewell at the end didn't do anything for me. The reporter coming back as a member of the intelligence services was rather predicable. He has probably played a more important role than many of the other "main" characters.

I thought it was a good episode, but it could have been much much better, especially for this late in the series. I was expecting a continuation of the climb to an extraordinary climax, instead this seemed like a filler episode, where they attempted to kill of the now useless characters, tie up loose ends with the less important ones, and hurriedly try and push some character development into the main ones. Interspaced between this were some rather poor action sequences.

RahXephon has "transformed" now though (and yeah that roar reminded me of Evas too ^^) so hopefully in the next episode it will wreak vengeance and result is something thing awesome.

The series has flattened off now at a time when it should be reaching for the stars, if this is it I will be very disappointed because earlier on it looked very promising.

klinky
02-09-2002, 01:02 AM
Makoto clones... :sweatdrop


Yes I agree with Mr. Wigs here, RahXephon has really gone flat :( Wow... Episodes 9 - 18 were just really good. But now it seems to have gone cliche on us. I think Haruka and Ayato should have confessed their love EARLIER!

Bah :D

~klinky

Westlo
08-09-2002, 06:15 AM
23 was a really well done episode, haven't seen 24 yet.

Check out this link to see some screens from the RahXephon psx2 game by Bandai

http://animenation.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46182

mtyoo
09-09-2002, 11:12 PM
Rahxephon Episode 25: "meh"

Hmmmm, rah 25...um... Quon looks good.....um, what else?.....death toll rises, caring factor doesn't....

Things are explained, but they really aren't explained. You'll understand what I mean after you see it.

BONES has 1 more episode to dig itself out of this hole.

Reika
10-09-2002, 11:38 PM
Yeah I kinda feel the same way. But then again, I think part of our disappointment is our own fault for building up too much expectation. I haven't watched 1-16 in a few months. I'll go through the entire series after 26 is out and get a better feel of the series.

klinky
11-09-2002, 01:02 AM
I got so bored I turned it off :\

Disappointment...


They seem to really rip off End of Eva.. :|


~klinky

Westlo
11-09-2002, 02:06 AM
Seen 24, it was an okay ep though not as good as 23.

Well if you hype yourself up for a killer ending and it doesn't come it's partially your own fault. I'll watch the last two eps in the same sittting since from what I've read about 25 it seems it would be better of to watch 26 straight after. So now I got to wait for 26 to be subbed what to watch in the meantime...

mtyoo
11-09-2002, 06:38 AM
Well obviously you would expect a series that has such a great first half to have a 'good' last half and finale, and it is annoying when that doesn't happen. I am rather disappointed that the overall underlying plot was so, well, rather boring and insignificant. I could care less about barbem foundation or even the mu. The smaller encapsulated stories, such as the ones of Jin, Kim, Asahina, were very good, and yet they were just the 'crust' of the main plot. In this case there was a hollow core. Rahxephon was very much a character driven anime, using the mu aspect as a vehicle. As the series progressed and the writing needed to focus more on that mu aspect (the main plot), the quality started to degrade; the characters became less important. Blah. Oh well, we should all expect anime to be crap and turn out to be garbage, then we'll never be disappointed at anything we watch.

I have expectations, and BONES had created for rahxephon a good foundation for those expectations. Unless you didn't care at all (which would be weird if you went through the trouble to get the fansubs and follow the series) of course you would be at least a little upset at how this series' ending is turning out to be. If you went into watching this series expecting only mediocrity with each episode; expecting the worst, then of course you wouldn't be too upset with how it is ending.

We still have the hope that the last 20 minutes of rahxephon might pull everything together and be satisfying.

That's why we watch, isn't it?

Westlo
11-09-2002, 09:00 AM
I'll be lieing if I said I didn't enjoy the first 23 episodes immensely. The 24th episode wasn't that good but it was far from awful and it followed a really good ep imo.

I really don't think the second half of RahXephon is that bad so far, episodes 19 and 23 are two of the best episodes in the series imo along with ep 11 (The one where the dolem swallows the Xephon) and most people in threads I've are still enjoying rah's second half yet with ep 25 most people I've seen are quite disappointed with it. That's the reason I'm waiting for 26 so I can watch those eps back to back, who knows after seeing 26 it could improve 25 greatly? It could turn out to be one of the worst endings ever, it could be total dissappointment, I won't know till I watch it and it's going to vary from person to person on what they think.

I pretty much agree with MDWig's assessment of episode 24 it was a good ep but it should have been better. The battle was pretty lame (You would think that dolem would have been a major one, not to be taken down by Elvy....so what if it took down most of her squad they have been as effective as an empty can of flyspray on a fly throughout the series).

Any way I will reserve my judgement on this series until I see episodes 25 and 26 and depending on how it ends I might rewatch it as well since I can vaguely recall the first ten or so episodes since I've seen way to many anime episodes since I started following Xephon in feb.

MDWigs
12-09-2002, 02:10 AM
Well I actually quite enjoyed episode 25. The battles were lame again, but I don't watch RahXephon for it's battles. I couldn't help be seeing The End of Evangelion similarities (maybe it is just because I have EoE imprinted on my mind), but the whole Ayato/Quon big white giant form thing made me instantly think of Kaoru/Rei giant Adam/Lilith. Especially the wings thing as well. I am not making any comments about whether this was a coincidence, a purposeful homage, or a blatant rip off, I am just saying that I though they were similar, and had thoughts of EoE when watching this episode. That probably one of the reasons I liked the episode ^^ More people died, but yeah, I wasn't expecting anything different. The main players were still there, and it was interesting to see them develop (in the limited way they did). Questions answered, more questions asked. I like that though, it is part of what draws me to series such as this, Eva, Lain, Boogiepop... I like the "unanswered questions" aspect of it.

I really can't see how they are going to wrap this up conclusively in the last episode, but I personally thought this episode by itself was pretty good. By looking at the "next episode" preview it appears that Ayato is in a classroom at one point, and that he is looking at people (including dead ones) on a TV. So that's kinda weird, I hope they pull out something fantastic.

That's the reason I'm waiting for 26 so I can watch those eps back to back, who knows after seeing 26 it could improve 25 greatly?

Sure it could, but if that is so then it only demonstrates bad writing in that they couldn't make episode 25 "good" standing alone (this is not to say that I don't think episode 25 is good, its a relative thing). I don't understand the reasoning behind holding off on watching episode 25. If it was meant to be seen with 26 back to back then it would have been screened that way. If episode 25 appears to be a "bad" episode stand-alone, then the episode is a "bad" episode. You have to take each episode for it's own worth, otherwise you could argue that the best way to watch a series is wait till it is all out and then watch every episode in one long sitting (I am not suggesting that is a necessarily bad thing by the way). My point here is that it was screened one episode a time, and this I think as should consider it one episode at a time.

It is not like the "two" episodes that make up The End of Evangelion, those were both screened at the same time, and thus should be considered together.

Edit: Oh by the way, in case people haven't heard, I've heard talk of a RahXehon Movie. Yay ^^ Check out the RahXephon site.

DistMan
12-09-2002, 03:00 AM
Hmm, well I've yet to see how they're gonna pull this togheter. It feels liek they're rushing things a lot right now. Theywant to answer a lot of questions but really, all they do is to mess it all up. They answer some questions but there are still things to be explained.

Ahh well, I wounder how htey'll pull the last ep of. I'm eager to see it...

klinky
12-09-2002, 03:18 AM
Hey MDWigs >> Sometimes those episodes being three weeks apart didn't help much ;)



~klinky

MDWigs
12-09-2002, 03:28 AM
That is very true too ^^

All the more reason to initially treat each episode by itself.

klinky
12-09-2002, 10:12 PM
It makes me wonder if some of the delays in the series production were due to them hammering out a deal for a movie? Did they possibly change the story slightly to fit in with a movie ending? Could that possibly be why it's turning out so flat? I am still wondering what the hell happened with Ep20. Everything seems to have gone down hill after that... :mad:



~klinky

mtyoo
13-09-2002, 07:05 PM
I thought I was watching EoE when I watched ep25 of rahxephon!

Sarcasm aside, the only 'lame' thing that I saw that shouldn't have even been put in, other than to be a bad joke, was where Ayato was in that very re-tinted scene, which could basically have been a scene in EoE. I was thinking to myself: 'oh great, more wood to the fire.'

In my opinion 25 was a high contrast to EoE, with the notable exception of that ridiculous red scene at the end. Most of the imagery was generic anyhow, and winged figures are not uncommon in anime/manga. Probably half the series out there have either some winged figure or feathers; go originality. I see a lot more shared imagery with the X TV series. (water drops and feathers flying from no where is getting real stale guys).

I'd rather not have rah follow in the footsteps of eva in regards to having a crap ending that needs to be followed by an ova or movie to appease the fans. (and which doesn't provide any more closure than the crappy series finale, and is actually a worse ending).

Since the announcement of the movie is so close to the ending of the series, it's obvious that it was planned from the start, and I kind of agree with the aforementioned ideas that what we are seeing now (the relative mediocrity) is just a symptom of preparing for the movie. I just hope the movie isn't similar to how the escaflowne movie was handled (retelling of the entire storyline in a jumbled mess). I also hope that BONES doesn't try to milk every last drop from rahxephon, i.e. making a 'memories' type episode into an OVA.

When we get a rahxephon forum, I imagine the eva/rah thread will be the most bloated. Can't wait.

MDWigs
13-09-2002, 08:33 PM
mtyoo:

In my opinion 25 was a high contrast to EoE, with the notable exception of that ridiculous red scene at the end.

I honestly didn't relate that last red scene with EoE at all. Even going back and looking at it now I don't see what it is supposed to refer to.

Most of the imagery was generic anyhow, and winged figures are not uncommon in anime/manga. Probably half the series out there have either some winged figure or feathers; go originality.

That may be true, yet I still thought of Eva and not another series when I saw those scenes in RahXephon. I actually thought of Escaflowne where I saw the feathers, but the "giant white being", made me think very much of EoE, and when the wings burst out I thought the same thing as well.

I'd rather not have rah follow in the footsteps of eva in regards to having a crap ending that needs to be followed by an ova or movie to appease the fans. (and which doesn't provide any more closure than the crappy series finale, and is actually a worse ending).

I'd rather have rah follow in the footsteps of Eva in regards to having an awesome ending.

It seems to have failed at providing an exciting "real world" action ending, so I would actually prefer it do an Eva-like ending, because I liked the original Eva so much in the first place anyway.

Since the announcement of the movie is so close to the ending of the series, it's obvious that it was planned from the start, and I kind of agree with the aforementioned ideas that what we are seeing now (the relative mediocrity) is just a symptom of preparing for the movie.

If that is so, then it is very poor planning on BONES' part. For a series with such high production values I wouldn't expect it to suffer in such a way, especially at the very important ending episodes of the series.

When we get a rahxephon forum, I imagine the eva/rah thread will be the most bloated. Can't wait.

I suspect that those types of threads will degenerate quickly. For some reason people often forget that this is just anime that we are discussing, and they tend to get emotional about things. Instead of having a mature discussion comparing and contrasting the two series, people end up blasting on or the other with no respect for the fact that people sometimes simple have different opinions about what they like and don't like.

Reika
13-09-2002, 11:50 PM
26 is out.

mtyoo
14-09-2002, 04:00 AM
I honestly didn't relate that last red scene with EoE at all. Even going back and looking at it now I don't see what it is supposed to refer to.

What the red scene is supposed to refer to in rahxephon, or in EoE? You do remember the ending of EoE, where shinji is on the beach with asuka, and the red tint of everything, right? That's what it reminded me of.

Let's hope everyone doesn't die in ep26.

Reika
14-09-2002, 04:06 AM
Spoiler.......... 26

















"I'm Mishima.

Mishima Haruka."

mtyoo
14-09-2002, 05:19 AM
Wow, rahxephon ends on a high note: ep26 was damn good.


Spoilers



So Reika DID take the body of Haruka, just not her face. What the hell happened to Reika Mishima though? And Sayoko's 'surprise' was really weird; not sure what the point of that was. A lot of questions were left unanswered, and I'm still confused about a lot of things in this series, but ep26 sure as hell brought a lot more closure than I thought would be possible. And it was a happy ending too, thank god for that. I think the movie will clear up a lot of the confusion, since it is highly unlikely the movie will be a continuation, given the finale in 26, and would most likely be a prologue. If it is a retelling I'll puke.

MDWigs
14-09-2002, 10:47 AM
mtyoo: Yes I remember the ending of EoE. I guess I didn't associated the ending of Rah 25 with it because in EoE there is a very distinct white ground, they are on a very white beach. There is a red tint to everything, so I can see now why people my think of it. I was just saying that I personally didn't.

Anyway... Episode 26.

I loved it. It is as simple as that.

I absolutely loved it. It had everything I wanted out of an ending. It dealt with the characters feelings and emotions; it dealt with the real world consequences of what happened. It did all that it needed to do in my opinion. It was a sweet and happy ending to a fantastic series.

Reika
14-09-2002, 12:53 PM
I can't wait for some info on the movie to come out. I wonder which direction they will take on the film as far as story.

MDWigs
14-09-2002, 08:33 PM
Well I just posted this on AN, I thought I would mirror my comments here. It is in regard to the final episode, one that I really enjoyed:

I've already heard some complaints about the episode with respect to "unanswered questions". I can sort of understand people’s positions on this, but I personally loved that aspect of it. I can see myself participating in a lot of discussion in the future about it. There was so much symbolism packed into that last episode as well, the red/blue thing that showed up in almost every scene, the blue bird being released/ plane Haruka was flying, etc, etc, etc... I love finding my own answers, so a lack of definite answers about some things I can deal with. Open-ended conclusions are generally my favourite.

mtyoo
15-09-2002, 02:12 AM
"Open-ended conclusions" are one thing, but IMO ep26 was a fairly solid conclusion that wrapped up the series. However, my unanswered questions mainly have to do with how/why everything was put into motion, esp. concerning Barbem (like that dark-haired/skinned girl who gets offed in ep26).

I'll just wait for the movie.

It was funny that the pyramid/ancient civilization theme was not the egyptians, but the mayans. I didn't catch that till 26, when they basically stated it :P.

MDWigs
15-09-2002, 03:10 AM
mtyoo: I think the ending is rather conclusive as well. I wasn't referring to you or your comments in my previous post, it was originally written in response to some comments people I talked to on AN made.

DistMan
15-09-2002, 04:49 AM
Ep 26..It was a..well it was a good and nice ending to doubt about that. But it still left a lot of things unexplained.

Sure, I like to think and find my own answers. But you'll need a base in order to find a base. NGE offered a very good base. Rah poffers a good base in some cases and...no base at all sometimes.

There was one thing that was quite like EoE though "I must not run away" or whatever he said. well you get my point. ;)

Soo things like what the dolems really are, how they work aren't answered, sure okay ther is a murian controlling a dolem with the help of this mask but how does the transmission work, could any people controll a dolem.

...And why did his friend (the girl in ep 19..) really die when he killed the dolem...From what I know every Murian was linked to a dolem (they said that didn't they...) and if the dolem died the person died aswell. But it seems that some are able to fully controll the dolem.

How the clones (reffering to model 7.xx, D etc) are made, how he could transfer into her body...

The earth was somehow "reborn" or 'tuned'. Haruka didn't die even though the plane exploded...

...She was dissolved to LCL and could come back later on if she wished to... :p Sorry I couldn't help myself on that one :D



Anyhow these are just my reflections on some of the things. I'm sure that I'll come to my own conclutions after a little while. You can't just find answers directly after having watched the last ep. These things takes some time. The Brain has to analyze the material, link things togheter, possibillities and facs etc etc...See I'm already into the thinking progress hehe.

Well in conclusion: I really liked the ending, it was powerfull and had what I wanted...and a happy ending aswell.
Now, I wounder what the movie will be like. It's quite obvious that the movie was planned...Hey they might cut out the last 2 eps and replace them with a movie called: Tuning of the World

Ep25: Love is destructive
Ep26:Yours Sincerely

;)

You know if you think about it...Those titles above would actually fit ep 25 and ep 26 quite well IMO.

My 2 cents and my oppinion about this

Reika
15-09-2002, 04:52 AM
Hopefully the movie will answer those questions.....

MDWigs
15-09-2002, 06:53 AM
Hopefully it wont answer all of them. Or else there wont be anything left for us to discuss! ^_^

fushi
15-09-2002, 02:46 PM
brrr...
http://home.clara.net/froy/space/sb_churchward.htm
this link was given by that guy menoumaru from the anime dreams board and it really helps you enjoy and understand RX a lot more : )
or, well, it made me draw certain connections between lord barbem and his foundation (which was imho the most mysterious thing throughout the whole series) and, um, the murians. basically, the murians aren't aliens, vice versa - they are more 'human' than humans (or should i say homo sapiens sapiens), themselves, because they had a civilization long before humans started living together more closely by forming tribes, etc. only, we couldn't see them! ( ... -_- ) the flying fortresses floating above all the major cities have always been there, they just weren't visible to the human eye : ) they were observers of mankind and the time came to take control of a planet that is lost to human idiocy through wars and pollution. and that's how RahXephon began.
but how does lord barbem fit into this? well, as stated in the last episode, he created rahxephon, to tune the world and bring order back to it. furthermore, it's possible that he is the actual leader of the murians, the main bad guy : )

then again, is he really such a bad being if all this is true?

oh, and the movie... i'd like to see a deeper analysis of the murians, their history and such, would make me a happy RX fanboy : )

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alritghy back to bed, damn flu : ( i hope this gibberish post of mine made any sense. if it doesn't ignore it : P
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Westlo
15-09-2002, 04:30 PM
Menoumaru was amazing in the way he figured out some stuff rahxephon.

His thread in animedreams was a good read, since he knows japanese one has too wonder if he was looking on japanese forums for all his ideas lol j/k

And after you read that thread you will know that RahXephon is a ripoff of Raiden!!! lol j/k

As far as the movie goes heres what they can probably do

1/ A continuation (somehow)
2/ An alternate retelling (Much like the Escaflowne and Utena Movies)
3/ A sidestory that occurs during RahXephon (Much like the Cowboy Bebop movie)
4/ A prequel story
5/ A recap movie (Like the Turn A Gundam Movies)

Freakman
15-09-2002, 04:53 PM
Where can this Anime Dreams Board be found?

Westlo
16-09-2002, 03:36 AM
http://pub52.ezboard.com/futmanimefrm2.showMessageRange?topicID=117.topic&start=1&stop=20

That's the link to the RahXephon thread on AnimeDreams

Read through it and you will see Memoumaru knew his stuff

fushi
16-09-2002, 03:47 AM
http://pub52.ezboard.com/futmanimefrm2.showMessageRange?topicID=117.topic&start=1&stop=20
that's the topic i was talking about

edit: oh, westlo posted already : P

Kerensky
16-09-2002, 04:40 PM
Well that was quite a great last episode, and I though 25 was good too in it did alot of small thing to forward episode 26. Nice of bones to leave some things unanswered too.

That boards mentioned above are also very interesting to give more thoughts about the series.

fushi
09-10-2002, 08:53 AM
great news for rahxephon fans, the first chapter of the RX manga has been scanned and translated by cabbits (#cabbit @ irc.sorcery.net & http://cabbit.sigh.org)! :yippee:
i've uploaded it too > http://animeboards.com/rules.php < but it might end up being very slow for some people, so you're better off getting it from irc or mailing lists or whereever you get your stuff : ) but you can always try, it doesn't have a bandwidth limit (AFAIK : P).

the manga itself - the storyline is a bit different from the anime and also the character looks and personalities have changed quite much (the new haruka is oh-so-cute : ) ), but i'll suggest you'll see for yourself. : )


[I can't be assed to wait the 2 hours it say it'll take to download. I'm editing the link because you say it contains a fanscan of a manga. Please familarize yourself with the Rules (http://animeboards.com/rules.php), fushi.]

Westlo
09-10-2002, 10:31 AM
Yeah I noticed the Rah manga I got ahold of the front cover of the first issue which was like a meg and a half itself.

It's suppose to be very different but i'll start it tomorrow after i watch the last episode.

You people do know that the RahXephon Movie is just a digest movie with 20 minutes worth og new scenes?

fushi
09-10-2002, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by Westlo
You people do know that the RahXephon Movie is just a digest movie with 20 minutes worth og new scenes?

that's really sad to say the least. still, i'm eagerly anticipating it. sad fan i am.

Hiigaran
15-10-2002, 08:20 PM
This thread is so old...

But holy ---- the ending kicked ass.

Westlo
16-10-2002, 02:00 AM
Sincew I haven't posted my thoughts on the last ep in this thread here it is

What hiig said.

Westlo
23-10-2002, 05:28 PM
Here's animenations guru's take on the last 3 eps of RahXephon. A nice read.

Ask John
Can You Explain the Ending of RahXephon?
October 23rd, 2002

Q: Can you explain what RahXephon was about or what actually happened at the end?

A: Warning: Spoilers included!

Inevitably comparisons will be drawn between the conclusions of Evangelion and RahXephon, but such are to be expected given the similarities between the two shows in style, theme and intent. The imagery of the finales of both shows as well are bound to create speculation based on their similarity. However, if anything, I personally think that RahXephon has more in common thematically with Shoujo Kakumei Utena, another TV anime that tread the same ground, than it does with Evangelion. On its surface, RahXephon is a complete, logical science-fiction story of Pinocchio- the tale of a puppet who becomes a real boy. If my symbolic analysis is accurate, RahXephon may also be taken as a parable of growth, maturity and most of all self-determination.

Like its predecessors Evangelion and Utena, RahXephon is a story about a youth striving to overcome the insecurities and fears of childhood and develop into a self-aware and self-sufficient adult. Evangelion told the story of a young boy whose self esteem and sense of self worth were so minimal that he was unable to self-actualize and recognize himself as an independent person. Shinji defined himself as the Evangelion Unit 01 pilot, or as his father's son, or as the object of Asuka's projected guilt, but never as Shinji Ikari. Shinji's dilemma is fundamentally different from that of Ayato Kamina, although not entirely foreign to the world of RahXephon. RahXephon is a story about not merely coming into oneself, but fulfilling oneself and, like Utena, revolutionizing the world. While "revolutionizing the world" in Utena meant symbolically exchanging the world of adolescence for that of adulthood, RahXephon plays on both the internal, mental evolution of Ayato Kamina's own psychological world, and on the external level of Ayato physically altering the world around him by effecting the people that surround him.

In the final episodes of RahXephon, Ayato recognizes that he has lost his memories of his past and has refused to recognize the love extended to him by Haruka and Hiroko and Elvy and Megumi. He's always running away because he's uncertain of his own humanity- in effect, afraid of commitment, afraid to be completely Murian or human, child or adult. When he says that either his or Quon's world must be destroyed and absorbed by the other, he symbolically means that he must determine his own future. He can either take his place in adult society and make his mark on the world, or allow himself to be absorbed, marginalized and victimized by society and life itself, represented by Quon. God has set Ayato on the road of life, and it's now time for Ayato himself to choose his own direction and purpose. Literally, as the final episode reveals, Lord Barbem is the deistic god of RahXephon who created the board, set the pieces in motion, then stepped back to watch how the game would play out. Ayato is one of the pieces given the choice of not moving, moving as expected, or making his own rules and moving as he desires.

Quon, in the form of Ishitori, seeks to destroy Ayato in the final episode. Quon may be considered the external influence of the world. In Ayato's mind she explains to him that she is part of him and he, part of her. She also helps him come to realize that he is not alone in the world and that he does have the power to change his own life and change the world around him. At the same time, she is the pressure to grow and mature. If Ayato does not make up his own mind and exert his full potential, he will die, be destroyed. Ayato's choice is to either forcibly exercises his will on the world by accepting the woman he loves and making sacrifices and accepting his own identity, or be squashed underfoot and absorbed into the larger world as a nameless, faceless pawn. In the same way, Ayato's mother Maya urges Haruka to make her own fate, shape her own future. Actually, both Maya and Megumi prod Haruka to fulfill her own dream and chase after what she wants. Just as Ayato is never really alone, Haruka as well has people around her that support her and encourage her to grow and mature and shape her own future by her own will.

Itsuki and Makoto and Maya and Sayoko are all in the same situation as Ayato. They recognize themselves as only roles or clones, not individuals. Their inability to will themselves into being anything than mere clones or pawns results in them not being able to exist in the world. In the Darwinistic world of RahXephon, the strong survive. Characters that don't have the will or determination to force their own personality and desires onto and into the world become nothing more than victims and sacrifices. Characters like Ayato and Haruka and Megumi make an active effort to achieve their desires and express themselves. Itsuki, who sees himself as nothing more than Ayato's useless brother; Makoto, who is obsessed with being a "D"; Maya, who sees herself as nothing more than Ayato's mother; and Sayoko, who cannot accept the fact that she's a clone, but likewise cannot graduate into recognizing herself as an independent individual, do not make efforts to survive or adapt or recognize themselves as valuable, independent people. They do not value their individuality or self-worth and as a result, cease to exist when their self-defined purpose is fulfilled.

Ayato does exert his own will. He recognizes and accepts that he is not alone, is not an island unto himself, and makes a conscious decision to commit to those circumstances. By revealing that Reika Mishima was actually Haruko all along, the animation reveals to the viewer that Ayato has never been totally alone. The spirit of his first love has always been with him and supported him and gives him a reason to break out of his shell. As the omnipresent birds, and the final imagery of Ayato in Ishitori form all strive to convey, Ayato figuratively spreads his wings. When Ayato "tunes the world," he attunes himself to the world by proclaiming his individuality and announcing to the world that he will live and be happy and love who he wants to love. He accepts adulthood by accepting responsibility for himself and committing to the future he wants for himself.

Sheex, The Dark Stalker
09-11-2002, 12:43 AM
Well, its been over 6 months since this topic started, and I, Sheex, has finally managed to get Rahxephon. Watched the first episode, loved it, saw many familiar things (things invented in the genre 10+ years before Eva...). Unfortunately, episode 2 doesn't work for me though. *cries* Can anyone summarize it for me, and if possible, provide screenshots? :(

Westlo
22-11-2002, 03:21 AM
I don't suppose you are in need of an episode 2 summary still Sheex? I was going to do it awhile ago but lots of personal stuff came up recently so I forgot about this.

Sheex, The Dark Stalker
24-11-2002, 03:04 AM
Nah, I went ahead and watched the rest of the show without it. Luckily it was an early ep, would have been screwed if one of the later eps didn't work for me... :P

BTW, does anyone know the names of any of the Dolems that show up during the series? (outside of the first 2 in Tokyo Jupiter) Working on my own RahXephon site (it would be the first english language Rah site on the web in fact unless there's one out there thats eluded me) and would prefer to name them something other than 'Dolem 1' etc... :p

Westlo
24-11-2002, 07:20 AM
Ah thats kewl then what did you think of the series, you must have liked it of course if your going to make a website on it.

As for any other English RahXephon websites I haven't seen any around, there's none last time I looked in the Animation RahXephon website pages links. I was tossing up the idea of doing one butit would only be a free webserver site so it would suck and I probably would never go through with it. shrugs

As for the dolem names I think I may be able to help you on that at least for the ones that appeared in the first few episodes. Elite-Fansubs started fansubbing RahXephon when HQA/ANBU were upto ep 10 or something and they were going on about how theres sh!tted over the other groups and someone mentioned they spelt the dolems names wrong, which made them look stupid imo and which I said on their forums.

So I'll get those names for you and try and track down the rest.

Sheex, The Dark Stalker
24-11-2002, 05:46 PM
Okay then, thanks :D

And yes, I thought the show was very good, would rank it up in my top five. Similar to Eva in the sense that it also featured many of the same cliches (like the monster of the week nature of the show), although Rah slaughtered Eva in pretty much every aspect, from animation to music, to the mecha/Dolem designs vs. the Eva/angels, character development, etc... Good final couple of episodes too, after slipping a little near the end (talked about a lot in this very thread).

One thing I could use help with, if anyone wants to help, is making the main header image for the site. I'm not good at all with doing transparancy, so I always have trouble making those. Would go right above the navigation bar here: http://www.escaflowneonline.com/rahxephon/images/extra/sample.jpg Those always hold me up when setting up the layout for the site :(

Westlo
25-11-2002, 03:42 AM
Now so far I haven't been able to find any more dolem names (they might not even have any) but I can correct you on the first two

The first two dolems are called "Fortissimo" and "Allegretto". EF's version called it "Foltesimo' and "Albert" but since music has a deep role in RahXephon those are wrong.

Jedinight an encoder for EF even admited they were wrong with this

Tri: They are Fortissimo and Allegretto, I beat the appropriate people with a blunt implement for getting that wrong. I wasn't involved in the project or I would have noticed sorry =\ They will be correct from now on if used again however

As for your website no idea on that probelm sorry.

mtyoo
25-11-2002, 05:42 AM
Isn't there a falsetto as well?

Sheex, The Dark Stalker
25-11-2002, 06:32 PM
Yep, Falsetto was that bizarre mushroom one. Outside of that I don't think they name them though :( Does anyone have that RahXephon bible book? It might say in there... I'm eventually gonna end up buying it, although if someone already has it might be able to get this question out of the way :p

Ilex201
26-11-2002, 02:05 PM
I have the Rahxephon Bible and yes, the names of many dolems are in there. But unfortunatly they are all written in Japanese, no Kanjis though but i'm to lazy to look them up anyway. :D

Hiigaran
26-11-2002, 02:49 PM
Let's see. I'm going to wager that a few of these will be names of certain Dolems.

Arpeggio, Virtuoso, Tremolo

Now I'm thinking of Strongbad. Should we place bets on the proper names?

DistMan
26-11-2002, 04:38 PM
perhaps: pianissimo, flageleoett (sp?)

i find htre names a bit unlikely though...i've seen the series but can't recall any names of the dolems...

Sheex, The Dark Stalker
26-11-2002, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by Ilex201
I have the Rahxephon Bible and yes, the names of many dolems are in there. But unfortunatly they are all written in Japanese, no Kanjis though but i'm to lazy to look them up anyway. :D

Could you scan the pages with the names, or simply write the katakana in a basic paint program or something and post it? I'll do the translation... :p

Ilex201
27-11-2002, 02:22 AM
No Problem. Here you go!

Ilex201
27-11-2002, 02:23 AM
Second scan!

mtyoo
27-11-2002, 03:37 AM
How is that rahxephon bible anyhow? I'm thinking of picking it up.....unless it only has images taken directly from the episodes and no pre production art.

Sheex, The Dark Stalker
27-11-2002, 10:16 PM
Thanks so much! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D That saves me the embarressment of opening up the site with 'Dolem #' names for them while waiting for my own copy :p Surprised to see all but Momaru and Kuki's in there, I had heard the Bible only covered up to ep 15 or so.

I also have a question for you Rah gurus as I work my way through the series for the second time. Can anyone explain what was going on when Mishima showed up working for Terra under the name Haruka? Didn't really get that the first time through and still not sure if I totally 'get in' after seeing those eps once again. :p

Edit:

Here's what I found, for those interested.


Fortissimo - Very loud direction in music
Falsetto - An artificially high singing voice

Sforzando(the ice one) - sudden strong accent on a note or chord
Forzando(that big rock like one that released all the smaller dolems) - same meaning as sforzando
Grave(the first one we see outside of Tokyo Jupiter) - Instruction to play a piece slowly and seriously
Ritardando(the one from the Kim episode) - Gradually slower
Vibrato(Asahina's Dolem) - repeated fluctuation of pitch
Larghetto(that lame one thats around for about 10 seconds at the start of an episode) - very slow, even slower than largo

There is one I'm still trying to figure out, that bird like one from episode 11. As far as I can tell its called Pibaachu, although I've found no corresponding term to it on the web.

Westlo
28-11-2002, 08:44 AM
I also have a question for you Rah gurus as I work my way through the series for the second time. Can anyone explain what was going on when Mishima showed up working for Terra under the name Haruka? Didn't really get that the first time through and still not sure if I totally 'get in' after seeing those eps once again

I've only seen those eps once so far and I'll see them again in the next month or so (wanna get them converted to VCD so i can watch on my big tv, then I'll watch the dub on dvd when it's released...i'm a dub fan sue me peeps :p) but for now here's my take on that though I want other people to give their views on it as well. Also I haven't seen this episode since the fanub release which was quite a while ago.....

Now Reika Mishima was the Mulian Goddess who had taken the form of a younger Haruka. The first meeting of Ayato and Haruka was still strongly imprinted in Ayato's mind as seen in the paintings.

Now remember the first episode of the series (I hope it was the first episode since you haven't seen the second) when Ayato and Reika meet up with Momaru and Ashina. They see Reika and a visible blank is on their faces as to who she is, then it passes and they suddenly know who she is. Yet later on in episode 18 they have no idea who Reika Mishima is.

Now we flash forward to episode 20 to Terra's HQ. Makato (the D^^) is making some speech i can't recall and all of a sudden Reika appears and everyone is shocked but Haruka is the most (since she's seeing her younger self). Then hey hey bingo they all know who she is just like in the first episode with Momaru. Makato introduces her as Haruka.

Now why did Reika do this. Was it to manipulate Makato, to try and seduce Ayato to tune the world with her, to give Ayato a clue as to who he loves or maybe all of them.

I think I'm going to have to watch RahXephon again ASAP since I really didn't help you out here even though I put some thought into this....

Anyway if you haven't read this thread I suggest you do since it really helps with understanding RahXephon. If you can't get a satisfying answer to what happened in ep 20 (which was more overshadowed by the crappy animation then anything) perhaps ask Menoumaru from that thread about it since as you will see from that thread he had a pretty good grasp of RahXephon.

Here's the link - http://pub52.ezboard.com/futmanimefrm2.showMessageRange?topicID=117.topic&start=1&stop=20

Ilex201
28-11-2002, 03:03 PM
Also in the Episodes after 20 you can see Ishtori (which is the real name of the being we call Reika) taking the appearance of Ayato when she is trying to persuade Quon to tune the world with her. It seems that her purpose is to lead the Orin to the path of tuning the world. In the end, she was succesful in both cases.

Hiigaran
01-12-2002, 10:52 PM
I believe in episode 26, Ayato's memory of life before Mu returns, and Haruko, when she was younger, looks like Reika Mishima.

Westlo
02-12-2002, 03:33 AM
The dub cast of RahXephon has been finalised. Interestingly it was done before Full Metal Panic which was suppose to come out before it (I'm not complaining if Rah comes out first it's the superior show by far imo).

http://forums.animeondvd.com/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=15&topic_id=7020&mesg_id=7020&page=

*prays thats spike spencer does not get cast as Ayato.*

^FallenAngel^
02-12-2002, 09:18 AM
I just finished watching it!! finally....
and it was confusing!!! very confusing!!!
i just dunt get it.... so many things unanswered.... weird stuff!!

can someone help me to clear some things up pls??

-what role does Quon play ?? especially in the end?? i didn't get what she was trying to do....
-what kind of experiement were they talking about in the end? especially Helena wasn't Helena in da end?

thanks! :)

Westlo
02-12-2002, 09:56 AM
Ask away and I'll do my best but I still need to watch this a second time (something I recommend you do yourself if you want to understand it better) so don't take my word for it since I'm not to sure if I grasp RahXephon that well myself but I've had no complaints....then again noones said I've right either...

what role does Quon play ?? especially in the end?? i didn't get what she was trying to do....

Quon along with Maya Kamina was one of the two original Mulian species to appear on the earth (Um does Lord Barbem count....).

Ayato has his RahXephon as does Quon but for them to become the true RahXephon they need to merge and when you see the two evolved forms grappling with each other in episode 26 they are trying to dominate the other. The winner gets to tune (remake) the world in their vision. Ayato won the struggle and hence the world was tuned by him. It says Coda Dandelion Girl at one stage, in sheet music when you reach a coda you go back to the beginning of the song and Dandelion Girl is probably a reference to Haruka.

Who knows what the world would have been like if Quon had been victorous.

Um hope that helped just tell me if I completely missed what you were going for.

-what kind of experiement were they talking about in the end? especially Helena wasn't Helena in da end?

I'm going to have to rewatch the last episode before I can answer that. I've seen too many other episodes of animes in the time to remember that converstaion. Can anyway else take this one?

Glenn MeisTriumph
02-12-2002, 08:15 PM
Originally posted by Westlo
The dub cast of RahXephon has been finalised. Interestingly it was done before Full Metal Panic which was suppose to come out before it (I'm not complaining if Rah comes out first it's the superior show by far imo).

http://forums.animeondvd.com/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=15&topic_id=7020&mesg_id=7020&page=

*prays thats spike spencer does not get cast as Ayato.*

youre prayers have been answered:):

the list so far:
Ayato Kamina - Chris Patton
Isshiki Makoto - Illich Guardiola
Souichi Yagumo - Mark Laskowski
Hiroko Asahina - Cynthia Martinez
Maya Kamina - Laura Chapman
Reika Mishima - Mandy Clark
Megumi Shitow - Hilary Haag

Sheex, The Dark Stalker
02-12-2002, 09:58 PM
Has anyone else gotten the Rah OST yet? Got all 3 OSTs in the mail today :D Pretty good so far, although the middle section of the second one was nothing special, atleast in my first listen. Finishing up that one now, about to move on to number 3 :p

Westlo
03-12-2002, 12:43 AM
Okay watched most of the last ep of RahXephon Fallen Angel so I'll try and answer that last point.

-what kind of experiement were they talking about in the end? especially Helena wasn't Helena in da end?

Are you referring to the RahXephon system that Helena (by body)/Lord Barbem was talking about? Well it seems Lord Barbem wanted to create something that created a new world and he obviously succeded and like Futagami said "Are you satisfied now?" and than bang. Lord Barbem created the RahXephon system but was exiled from the Mulians. As he said to Futagami when they were walking it could have been hundreads of years ago, it could have been thousands, or tens of thousands.

Futagami called Barbem "Metusaleh", Metusaleh is the oldest person to have lived (there is no proof for this of course). Lord Barbem transfers his sould from body to body and for the ending he is in Helena's body which she gave to him with pleasure. So Makato killed Helena when he though he killed Barbem in episode 25.

There's a digest movie for RahXephon coming out sometime next year in Spring. The character designer of RahXephon said it would only feature 20 minutes of new animation, so either it's a digest movie or it's a 20 minute movie. Hopefully this will explain some of the stuff in the series better as they had problems finishing the series off in the time they had. The series ended mid september yet aired in jan, it's alot longer than 26 weeks.

Originally posted by Glenn MeisTriumph
youre prayers have been answered:):

the list so far:
Ayato Kamina - Chris Patton
Isshiki Makoto - Illich Guardiola
Souichi Yagumo - Mark Laskowski
Hiroko Asahina - Cynthia Martinez
Maya Kamina - Laura Chapman
Reika Mishima - Mandy Clark
Megumi Shitow - Hilary Haag

Whoohoo I'm looking forward to the dub now, it will give me another reason to watch the show.

Hilary Haag should do well as Megumi as soon as I read Megumi's name in that thread I thoughtshe would be perfect for her. The other VA's I'm not that familar with apart from Chris Patton and Laura Chapman.

Has anyone else gotten the Rah OST yet? Got all 3 OSTs in the mail today Pretty good so far, although the middle section of the second one was nothing special, atleast in my first listen. Finishing up that one now, about to move on to number 3

Adding all the osts songs up together I probably have around 65% of the songs, but I haven't listened to it in ages and I really should finish getting it.

MDWigs
03-12-2002, 03:50 AM
I've got all three OSTs but I've only listened to them all the way through a couple of times. Other than a few specific tracks the music just didn't do anything for me. It's not like the Eva/Escaflowne/CB/Noir/HackSign/WHR OSTs which I can listen to continuously.

Westlo
03-12-2002, 04:01 AM
I have to agree it's not in the class of Yoko Kanno/Taku Iwasaki/Kajiura Yuki works.

Still not that bad a debut, didn't help having a song like Hemisphere on the soundtrack which outshines every other song.

BTW Wigs you might know this, is their a second ost for Witch Hunter Robin out or coming out?

^FallenAngel^
03-12-2002, 07:32 AM
Thank you Westlo for those answers!! =)
I think it makes more sense now...
also, those 3 ppl in ep 15, they were failures yes?? they didn't quiet make it like Ayato and Quon did ???
Also, in da end, the doctor said that they should been punished for what they've done... why's that?
Also, why did Mu came to earth? and since it's thousands years ago, would they have existed before the humans? :confused:

MDWigs
03-12-2002, 07:50 AM
It's already been out for a while now according to CDJapan.

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=VICL-60932

Mmmmm Shell Guitar Version!

Westlo
03-12-2002, 09:41 AM
Originally posted by ^FallenAngel^
Thank you Westlo for those answers!! =)
I think it makes more sense now...
also, those 3 ppl in ep 15, they were failures yes?? they didn't quiet make it like Ayato and Quon did ???


No problem glad to be of help.

Those 3 people in episode 15 were the same Itsuki, Makato and Helenathat featured throughout the series. While not reall failures I suppose you consider them that since they passed the age where their usefulness was at it's peak (17). Barbem only called them (along with the Vermillions) backup.

I'll answer the rest later

It's already been out for a while now according to CDJapan.

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=VICL-60932

Mmmmm Shell Guitar Version!

Damn I missed the release.

Shell Guitar version is nice, I can see Robin walking into the sunset with this playing after the aftermath of a battle against the factory where many lives were lost on both sides and then it hits the credits.

But as if that would happen

From what I got of the ost so far it's shaping up pretty good, i guess Taku Iwasaki had it in him do to a great score for a 26 ep series, his scores were awesome for Rurouni Kenshin OVAS and Read Or Die though they were short like the animes themselves.

Um I guess this is the wrong thread for this......

Fatal Outlaw
10-12-2002, 08:26 PM
rather than just waiting for someone else to post this news, i decided ill do it myself, the R1 dvd will be released 3/25. just go look at advfilms.com or AoD, im feeling lazy to link up the cover art and stuff.

this is good considering its ADV's first 'quick' release (im betting everyone will credit ADV for being the first to release an anime within a year :rolleyes: * ).

*yes, i was using sarcasm. and to elaborate more, ADV always get the credit even if they're the last one to do it :mad:

Westlo
10-12-2002, 11:46 PM
What do you mean Fatal Outlaw Pioneer never release stuff quick, I mean Hellsing, IMMSE, VSS & X TV have taken years to get to the western market!

Even though they weren't the first it's damn quick for ADV, seems the figured which show was better out of RahXephon & Full Metal Panic.

The only thing that sucks is that I have to wait for ADV to release volume 2 of RahXephon and a extra month before Madman release RahXephon in Australia. Though being 2 volumes at once it's not that bad.

Fatal Outlaw
11-12-2002, 12:09 AM
Originally posted by Westlo
What do you mean Fatal Outlaw Pioneer never release stuff quick, I mean Hellsing, IMMSE, VSS & X TV have taken years to get to the western market!


for a minute, i thought you were serious :lol:

Glenn MeisTriumph
11-12-2002, 12:51 AM
Have some faith in the human race man, Everyone knows Pioneer has the fastest release schedule due to them co producing most of the shows they have.

Westlo
16-01-2003, 12:13 PM
http://www.animenation.net/news/index.php?id=4418

Bleh now it's 7 dvds, though I'll still buy it if it was 10.

jeffep
19-01-2003, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by Westlo
http://www.animenation.net/news/index.php?id=4418

Bleh now it's 7 dvds, though I'll still buy it if it was 10.

I wonder how the episode placement will be if that's so?
I'll probably buy it too, but it angers me that they'll probably stretch it an extra disc to get another $22+(US) out of us.