View Full Version : IZ Torrie Gay?
Ky Kiske
05-03-02, 09:48 PM
i have no clue but when i started watchin the last eps of card captor sakura unedited i realized n thought if torrie is gay or not im not sure but is he or no?
Irrashaimase!!!
welcome to AB ^_^
iie
Kinimoto Touya is not gay...nor Yukito
if you ask why...try asking Ohkawa Nanase-sensei since she created CCS ^_^
snowcherry
05-03-02, 11:12 PM
I don't know about Touya...I'm thinking he's bisexual...then again, it's CLAMP, and no CLAMP character has a defined sexual orientation, it seems @_@
As for "Tory", he's completely heterosexual :p
Magicfangirl
05-03-02, 11:14 PM
well it's argued that he is.
I've got 2 opinions!
1: In the anime I don't think he's gay. Although he could be.
2: In the manga... i think he's gay.
My opinons. The best way would be to ask the creator of CCS but of course you may or may not like the outcome.
But Tori in the dub version... is a hetero.
DAMNED DUB PPL!!! THE RUIN EVERYTHING! THEY RUINED SAILOR MOON! NOW THEY RUIN THE DUB OF CARDCAPTORS! DAMN THEM!
:dot:
whatever it is...Touya is not gay in my book
Magicfangirl
05-03-02, 11:25 PM
*shrugs*
It was just my opinon.
assyria
05-03-02, 11:38 PM
Touya really didn't seem to want to have a lot to do with any of the girls in his class in the anime. In fact I think he come across as rather anti-social. Kinda like Fuma :D
But to answer the question, yes there is definitely a relationship of a YAOI nature between Touya and Yukito with a lot UST (Unresolved Sexual Tension) lying around at the end of the series. Whether this means either of them are guy or not is a debateable issue CLAMP has really left up to the viewer to decide.
Magicfangirl
05-03-02, 11:39 PM
Well Suzaku-san your opinion was good to.
It's a hard call ya know. CLAMP is kinda odd that way, they keep you guessing all the time.
*re-reads her X/1999 duet*
I'm STILL trying to figure out if Fuma is trying to kiss Kamuei when he's possessed! CLAMP is cool but they are very tricky!
^_^
hai hai
that's why i like CLAMP so much :kawaii:
Magicfangirl
05-03-02, 11:55 PM
Ditto!
well to apppeal to little girls tehy make the teenage boys non-threatening and sensitive..so of cousre the older viewers are gonna recognize thsi behaviour as homosexual behaviour and presume taht he's gay. If cardcaptors sakura was intended for m15-18 year olds torries character would probarbly act much more htrosexual.
assyria
16-03-02, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by Eddy
well to apppeal to little girls tehy make the teenage boys non-threatening and sensitive..so of cousre the older viewers are gonna recognize thsi behaviour as homosexual behaviour and presume taht he's gay. If cardcaptors sakura was intended for m15-18 year olds torries character would probarbly act much more htrosexual.
Not necessarily. In fact if it was aimed at an older female audience I'd argue that there would probably be more homosexuality between Touya and Yukito. This is CLAMP we're talking about and Yaoi runs rampant within their works. Remeber, Yaoi isn't written for men. Not even gay men. It's purely a girl thing.
Not to say you have to be a girl, or even gay to enjoy yaoi or any of CLAMP's works :D
It's late so I hope at least some of that made sense......
Eternity
16-03-02, 05:42 PM
thing is though, tori "sometimes" speaks to julian (sorry, don't know their japanese names or whatever). in a weird way. and what's Yaoi? i seem to see the words Yaoi, lemon, and hentai everywhere, especially on some fanficton sites.
assyria
16-03-02, 08:17 PM
::jumps up and down:: Oh I love answering the yaoi question :o
Yaoi is an acronym for Yama nashi, ochi nashi, which raoughly translates as "no climax, no point, no meaning and has been adopted to describe guy x guy sexual relationships in anime and manga and doujinshi [fan manga]. In fact Yaoi was born in the doujinshi market and it's still the most common place to find it.
If you find this term used in fanfiction then chance are that fic is R rated and full of guys "rolling around in the hay' so to speak.
if you want to know more go to Aestheticism (http://www.aestheticism.com/)
Thus ends today's lesson :D
Magicfangirl
16-03-02, 11:21 PM
If Yaoi translates into ' No climax, No point, No meaning" then what does Yuri translate into?
sukie80
16-03-02, 11:54 PM
Well as far I'm concern Toya is gay and loves Yukito and Yukito loves Toya.
But that will never air in America as far as the network is concern. That will really mess up kids.
Tomoya is also gay too(I think.)
The cute ones are always gay:rolleyes:
assyria
17-03-02, 12:18 AM
Originally posted by Magicfangirl
If Yaoi translates into ' No climax, No point, No meaning" then what does Yuri translate into?
Ummm.... I have no idea :heh: Gomen my knowledge of homosexuality within manga and anime is mostly in the yaoi field. I'll check some of my books and get back to you on that one.
assyria
17-03-02, 12:46 AM
UPDATE: what does YURI stand for?
Yuri literally translates as "lily" but perhaps because it doesn't have the history or cult following of Yaoi, Yuri isn't an acronym for anything. A few people seem to suggest the name came about because a lot of the characters in girl x girl stories were named Yuri, but that could just be an urban myth of Japan.
Thus ends lesson no. 2
Oh boy this is off topic……
rascal45
17-03-02, 03:18 PM
About Yuri,
What I heard is that the term came from Dirty Pair. Their was a ton of stories that had the two leading females Kei and Yuri "rolling in the hay". They were called "Kei x Yuri" stories. Eventually, other series started to have more girls "have fun together" by fanfic writers and eventually the "Kei x Yuri" term was shortened to just "Yuri".
On Topic.
Touya's sexual orientation is clearly debatable. One might say he consider Yukito "in that manner". While others will disagree. Its purely speculation at times and that is as far as we can get in some manners.
here's a simple way to describe Yuri in the anime field...
Yuri = girl + girl :kawaii:
ohhh Mei lin and Sakura..maybe Madison would like to use her nifty little camera to film them getting personal together:D
Majin Buu
19-03-02, 10:38 AM
Originally posted by Eddy
ohhh Mei lin and Sakura..maybe Madison would like to use her nifty little camera to film them getting personal together:D
:rolleyes:
Anyway... I say Touya is a homosexual. He seems to close to Yukito then any straight guy would be.
:fftopic:
Now, would you say that Tomoyo's gay? She does says in the sereis that she loves Sakura. But you could debate in which way she meant it.
Originally posted by Majin Buu
:fftopic:
Now, would you say that Tomoyo's gay? She does says in the sereis that she loves Sakura. But you could debate in which way she meant it.
hoe?
Tomoyo...gay?
i think you've misunderstood...that's Yuri ^_^
Majin Buu
19-03-02, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by suzaku
hoe?
Tomoyo...gay?
i think you've misunderstood...that's Yuri ^_^
Same difference :rolleyes:
You didn't anwser my question though :D.
Majin Buu
19-03-02, 09:55 PM
Right, Right ;)
So... you still haven't answered my question :D .
Tomoyo is not gay...nuff said ^_^
Majin Buu
19-03-02, 10:59 PM
Originally posted by suzaku
Tomoyo is not gay...nuff said ^_^
Ok.. that's your opinion, but I was really asking about an answer to my question about Tomoyo:rolleyes: .
assyria
19-03-02, 11:01 PM
I think there is just as much evidence showing Tomoyo-chan 'yuri' nature as there is to Yukito or Touya-kun's 'yaoi' nature.
Tomoyo love of sakura is much the same as Sonomi [Tomoyo's mother] love of Nadeshiko [Sakura's mother]. The only real difference being that while Sonomi is [or maybe was] jealous of the fact Nadeshiko got married, Tomoyo-chan has said that what would make her happiest in the world would be to see the one she loves. Even if who she loves dosen't feel the same way about her. Isn't that just so kawaii! :kawaii:
Anyhow there is a lot of hitting to the 'who' being Sakura.
Manga quote GN 2, page 66 to 67
Tomoyo: "I love you a lot too, Sakura."
Sakura: "Me too."
Tomoyo: "You don't know just how much.....I love you, Sakura"
Sakura: "D'you say somthing?
Tomoyo: "I'll tell you when you're a little older."
Magicfangirl
19-03-02, 11:29 PM
Ahhh, Tomoyo and Sakura... They make a kawaii couple :)
Almost as kawaii as Yuki and Toya! ;) ( okay okay, they're both of equal kawaiiness)
Originally posted by assyria
I think there is just as much evidence showing Tomoyo-chan 'yuri' nature as there is to Yukito or Touya-kun's 'yaoi' nature.
Tomoyo love of sakura is much the same as Sonomi [Tomoyo's mother] love of Nadeshiko [Sakura's mother]. The only real difference being that while Sonomi is [or maybe was] jealous of the fact Nadeshiko got married, Tomoyo-chan has said that what would make her happiest in the world would be to see the one she loves. Even if who she loves dosen't feel the same way about her. Isn't that just so kawaii! :kawaii:
Anyhow there is a lot of hitting to the 'who' being Sakura.
hai hai
mostly that's it ^_^
Eternity
27-03-02, 11:38 AM
translation of the japanese names please?!?! i live in england, so we only get to see the dubbed version ( i don't mind it, i think it's okay. at least we GET to see the series). tori doesn't REALYseem gay, just abit - odd, like when he's trying to tell julian that he's not really himself. howdoes he know anyway?? and yeah, i think he's quite cute aswell as yue. :D
Tori Avalon = Touya Kinimoto
Sakura Avalon = Sakura Konimoto
Madison Tayler = Tomoyo Daidouji
Eternity
01-04-02, 03:38 PM
Thanks. :D
dou itamashite ^_^
here are some more...
Julian Star - Yukishiro Yukito
Eli Moon - Hiiragizawa Eriol
Eternity
05-04-02, 04:51 PM
Eli Moon? You mean the black panther with the butterfly wings? I thought he was called Spinner son/sun? :heh:
hyuga12
05-04-02, 08:50 PM
i've yet to see the dubbed version (thank god)
MADISON!?!?!?!?!?!?!? WHAT!?? im surprised they kept sakura's name... :sweatdrop:
Originally posted by Eternity
Eli Moon? You mean the black panther with the butterfly wings? I thought he was called Spinner son/sun? :heh:
iie
Eli Moon = Eriol Hiiragizawa - reincarnation of Clow Reed
Kodachi
10-04-02, 11:20 PM
Eli... Moon? Julian Star?! *throws up*
Anyway, to me this is all very obvious:
Touya = Loves Yukito
Yukito = Male
Therefore, Touya = Loves Males
That's how it was in the manga, anyway ^_^
Actually, that Yukito = Male thing is debateable, he's more of a sexless being O_o In any case, Touya definitely doesn't descriminate based on sex :D
To tell the truth I think the entire cast (except poor, naive Sakura) is bisexual. It's like sex isn't even an issue, nobody seems to care. Same for pedophillia. Gyaachs. And a teacher, no less *shudder*
Magicfangirl
10-04-02, 11:24 PM
Originally posted by Kodachi
Eli... Moon? Julian Star?! *throws up*
That's how it was in the manga, anyway ^_^
NANI! In what issue is that proven?
*looks threw her small collection of CardCaptor Sakura manga's*
Kodachi
11-04-02, 12:10 PM
Wait, it really wasn't proven, I was thinking about that scene where Yukito is laying sick in bed and Touya turns around to walk away and then Yuki reaches out his hand and tells him "don't go" or something like that. It's really obvious that Yuki loves Touya. Only I got confused and thought that scene was the other way around (touya being sick and reaching for yuki) :(
Still! It's very strongly implied that he loves him. Err. I think.
Eternity
11-04-02, 12:29 PM
EEEEEEWWWWW EEEWEWWEWEWEWEEEEEEEWWWW!!!!! now i wished i didn't even bother to look at this link/thread, nether mind to participate!! *Runsaway at 1'ooo miles an hour, to somewhere far, far away* magna's are just sick/surreal and basically disturbing and gross. im glad we only have the dubbed version.
snowcherry
11-04-02, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by Kodachi
To tell the truth I think the entire cast (except poor, naive Sakura) is bisexual.
Feh, it's CLAMP. Such seems to be the trend with them...I think it's supposed to be more a message of something like, "love transcends the boundaries of gender and age". Or something.
There are several small things in the manga that seem to suggest love between Touya and Yukito---it's not as screamingly, glaringly clear as the homosexuality in other CLAMP works, but it's present ^^ The anime is more subtle.
hai hai
this is CLAMP ^_^
that's why i love CLAMP :kawaii:
Magicfangirl
11-04-02, 11:36 PM
Originally posted by Eternity
EEEEEEWWWWW EEEWEWWEWEWEWEEEEEEEWWWW!!!!! now i wished i didn't even bother to look at this link/thread, nether mind to participate!! *Runsaway at 1'ooo miles an hour, to somewhere far, far away* magna's are just sick/surreal and basically disturbing and gross. im glad we only have the dubbed version.
Sorry sweetie but if they're were no manga's there would be no, really kick ass cool shows like Cardcaptors.
The dubbed version should be burned.
THEY MADE YUKITO STRAIGHT DAMNIT!
NANI!?!
THEY'VE MADE YUKITO STRAIGHT!!!
MUST...KILL...NELVANA
MUST...KILL...WB
Kodachi
18-04-02, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by snowcherry
Feh, it's CLAMP. Such seems to be the trend with them...I think it's supposed to be more a message of something like, "love transcends the boundaries of gender and age". Or something.
I'd like to see them try and send a message like "homosexuality is sinful, let us spank ourselves for our dirty thoughts". Just for the same of variety.
I see I'm not the only one with avatar problems :(
O_o
where did you get the idea that homosexual is sinful???
are some kind of a racist???
Magicfangirl
18-04-02, 11:50 PM
Originally posted by suzaku
O_o
where did you get the idea that homosexual is sinful???
are some kind of a racist???
It's in the Bible. " Man shall not lie down with Man as he does a women."
That's one of the reasons people don't like yaoi and yuri stuff.
Big deal, I follow what the Bible says and I still read yaoi and yuri stuff!
Shouldn't judge just because they're diffrent ya know.
( race, religion, gender prefrence, don't judge! Just respect and love! ^_^)
Like Vash says: LOVE AND PEACE!!!!!
:D :D :D :D :D :D
oic...so that's why ^_^
LOVE AND PEACE :D
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