what is the implications of eva on our own lives

[Cthulhu]

Can anybody tell me if eva affected them in any way, Now I don't mean literally as if you quit school to try and sign up as an eva pilot, But did it make you think about wether the show's technology is possible or what the character's real feelings are throughout the show?
It hasn't happened to me, But I would like to know what you felt as the show progressed. If you felt anything more than an accute feeling of confusion I would like you to e-mail me at Cthulhu_2000@hotmail.com.

[eva2000]

hi Cthulhu

and welcome to my forums :D

as to your question... on my old ezboard Eva forum the matter was brought up about new technology that could lead to a person being able control stuff like in an Eva unit... i think David Ikari brought that up...

here's the thread

David Ikari
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Professor Kevin Warwick is going to have a computer surgically implanted into his arm. His hope is that someone at a remote computer will be able to control his hand. If this works, it may be possible to decode the nervous systems messages.
WHAT DOSE THIS HAVE TO DO WITH EVANGELION?
Simple. If this works out, his wife is going to have a computer installed into her arm as well. Through the internet they will be able to link their nervous systems together, or at least feel what the other is feeling. If professor warwick is standing on the Empire state building and feeling scared, his wife will suddenly feel his fear. She would also feel the 7 or 8 bourbons Kevin had to calm his nerves.
But still, what does this have to do with Evangelion?
If this experiment works than all minds that have the computer would be linked together. One goal of this experiment is to link the minds of all people with one of these computers. I'm talkin' instrumentality hear people. Graham Phillips (the man who wrote an article about this in the Sunday Telegraph) wrote "In a way, we'll merge with one another and become more like a single planert wide organism"

Now can you see what this has to do with Evangelion? Instrumentality through man's greatest acheivement. The trial of cybernetics will be overcome.
I, for one, don;t see this as a very good thing.


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Kai2
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Hm. Sounds to me like they're coming closer and closer to making actual Evas.
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eva2000
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hmmm , that's scary actually... humans have to deal with viral and bacteria diseases already, but computer and man made viruses as well




Kai2
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And if that weird feeling thingie actually works, then viruses could spread like wildfire. That could be downright frightening.
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Capt Jake
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Whoa, this sounds like total Project E stuff here, if one person can control another through remote we are getting closer to Evangelion technology, we already have the technology to clone things, Evangelion doesn't seem to be as farfetched as it may first sound like.


David Ikari
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How could a computer virus affect the nervous system? I thought that if a virus came into contact with this computer, it would only destroy those available files. The virus woul'd have to be designed to invade the nervous sytem first. If the computer does contract the virus, all the nerve/computer translation files would be deleted and prevent any interaction

I doubt that it would be possible or even allowed to be able to take control of another person's body, but merely connect to communicate and so forth.

Some people I have talked to say that now it could be possible to create human clones and build computers into them, but that would be unethical. Human cybernetics would be a closer dream also, what with being able to create new cyber nerve connections.Even AI's could be possible. By scanning the contects of a human brain (if possible), human's could re create all the elements required to make such!
It is an exciting prospect


Stu
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And with a murder about every 16 seconds we may all hav some fitful sleeps in the future.


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Kai2
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A computer virus could easily effect the nervous system, if this cybernetics was built directly into the brain. If the cybernetics were effected in some way, and then the brain felt these effects, it's highly possible that the nervous system would be effected. Just thought I'd toss this in.
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Stu
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Yep, the nervous system is simply messages sent through electrica impulses, sorta like on computers, and if that virus messed around with those impulses.... Well, it'lll be a hot time in the old town tonight

Speaking of hot, how do you put a fan in a computer thats in your arm?


Kai2
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Well, it would look like you had an arm tumor, but ... I think you get the idea.
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Janus99 NG
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Interesting to say the least... I've always had an idea like this, although my conception would have been the person having hookups to their brain, instead of a computer in their arm...

But then again, this could open up a whole new era of crime..


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eva2000
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hi Janus99 thanks for posting...

I read your post in my guestbook and would direct you to this thread to get the full story
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Kai2
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Hiya! ^^

Yes, I know what you mean. If this think was to be mass-marketed, it could very easily open up new doors for crime.
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Stu
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I can see ecuses in court now "I didn't mean to punch him, someone hacked ito my arm!"


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David Ikari
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I never realsied this before. Viruses themselves would not penetrate into the body, but there damage could seriously effect it. New crimes could be body snatching (overriding someelses nerve impulses with your own) or manipulation (placing thoughts or suggestions into a persons mind, like hypnotism except it goes directly into the brain). Have you guys seen the movie 'Ghost in the shell'? I could progress to the stage of mind hacking. Placing false memories into a persons mind so they would do what you want, or just erasing a persons mind and putting your own in.
The advantages are great, but the law of aqvereages states that with this must come great disadvantage. I think the name was Phillip Katz. The guy who basically invented zipping. The greateset computer thinker of the time. He had great fame and could have great fortune. A big 'plus' on the scale. But this was balanced out. He isolated himself. His computer was his only companion, if you didn;t includ hookers and alcohol. He lost all social skills, He couldn't interact. He was found dead in his hotel room next to a couple of bottles of vodka. A sad story. Could we be leading ourselves into a corner, or advancing to the next stage?

[ATh]

Well i must admit, i do spend an aweful amount of time here on this MB discussion Eva related matters.

Ive even began a webpage on ti, so i guess it has had an effect upon me.

Im not really sure what els eto say.

ATh

[Paradox]

Well, actually Eva got me thinking about philosopy. I've been doing a bit of philosopy in French 3&4, cos my teacher choose the existentialist Jean Paul Satre's work 'Huis Clos' or 'Closed Doors', and the philosopies and ideas presented in the book reflected a lot of ideas shown in Eva.

Particularly, the idea that 'We exist in the eyes of others'. Its a bit too deep to get into here, but I thought it reflected the last Genesis a lot, especially where they were all going 'This is the Shinji Ikari that exists in Misato's mind, and so on'.

[fireguy]

I know this is a stupid thing but it made me rethink my life values. It changed what I perceived as important and what I should really be looking for. It made me understand that you must learn to understand yourself before you try to understand others.

[Wolfpac]

Eva is emotional thats 4 sure. that probally explines why it so popular. Most emotional, the one when Eva-01 nearly kills Toji (Eva-03)

[fasad]

it's phucked me over big time - got me at my worst...
bad timing really - two thumbs up pour mon amis anno!!

:)

[Pen2]

It made me a hell of a lot more reflective. I think this MB also had a part in that, i've never really had to sit down and contemplate something this deeply before. Kudos to Anno

I'm also thinking of doing a degree in psychology when i leave high school. I sure didn't contemplate that pre-Eva

[Keroppilee]

made me see that cartoons can be about deep emotional religious and philosophical things too.

[EVA Type-R]

You know what? for me its something new. Something funny, action packed, dramatic...... its something exciting. You know how movie critics always say, "this movie will get you at the edge of your seat," and blah blah blah, u know. almost all they say complies to evangelion. u might think im over exaggerating and pretty damn crazy, but i do get on the edge of the se.... well, couch. :lol: anyways. my opinion. (i have an opinion on everything!!!!!!) later yall

[Maguamaru]

For me, it's something that can't be described in words. You know how sometimes you'll play through an RPG at the same time as a friend? Well, has it ever happened that you've understood the plot perfectly, but they've said: "What the hell was all that about?", and you can't explain it, yet you know? Well, it's like that. EVA has shown me SOMETHING about myself, but I can't pace it.
Oh, and it's shown me that dubs CAN be awesome. Spike Spencer was SPOT ON as Shinji, Amanda Winn conveyed Rei's emotionlessness perfectly, Tristam MacAvery was beautifully evil as Gendo, Alison Keith conveyed Misato's mask of cheerfulness brilliantly, and Tiffany Grant was simply hilarious as Asuka. For once, a well acted dub!
Oh, and last but not least, it's shown me that I'm going to change my name to Kaji, move to Japan and find Misato (she's 14 this year, and so am I...) :D

[ryezen]

as for me, read below:

[Eva00Kai]

Originally posted by Cthulhu
Can anybody tell me if eva affected them in any way, Now I don't mean literally as if you quit school to try and sign up as an eva pilot, But did it make you think about wether the show's technology is possible or what the character's real feelings are throughout the show?
It hasn't happened to me, But I would like to know what you felt as the show progressed. If you felt anything more than an accute feeling of confusion I would like you to e-mail me at Cthulhu_2000@hotmail.com.

all i know is that it gave me a big head ache!

[Lord Henry]

Let's see, I've always been into psychology, analysis of conciousness and human relations, not to mention the search for inner 'completion' whether in God, spirituality or in others, so since these are major themes of Eva it shouldn't be surprising that I love it.

Eva got me into Anime in general, opened my eyes to music outside of what I was listening to, and made me reflect on the above topics. Oh yeah, and caused me to crap on to other Eva lovers on various BB's.

Being a cynical bastardo and seeing many episodes in, I still passed of Eva as nothing more than lightweight Roboteckish crapola. However, through the series a strong sense of character is developed and I can see some of myself and others in them. Characters that I ended up caring for, (which practically never happens in any other show for me), add to this the monumentous backdrop of the climax of mankind or Armegeddeon, God vs Humans and technology, subtle and clever direction and you have an outstanding series.

I also have an acute feeling of confusion......

'Did God create man or did man need to create God?'-Rasskas

[ATh]

Pen2, you want to do psychology?

hmm, well get ready for disappointment after dissapointment. youd be better off reading Jung, Freud and even a little Isreal Regardie.

Of course most people in my psych year were on antidepressants themselves, so that was great. (im not being sacrastic, it was great).

ATh

[pdhq004]

I think it's had a general contribution to my "character formation", helping me to find who I am, as various other things have done too.

[Lord Henry]

Yes disappointment indeed ATh.

Psychologists are far to eager to interpret a bunch of il-goten statistics for my liking. And don't ask about the rat experiments, (shudder). It is one of the courses with the highest drop out rates year after year.

[Pen2]

greeeeeeeeaaaatt........ well back to the old "become-a-rock-star" plan. :lol:

[ATh]

Well, in terms of real Psy, NGE has far more to offer than most uni courses. In my opinion, it is something your better off doing yourself.

There are always friends who will be guinea pigs, though psy at uni is great fun, while the course itself might suck, it does put infront of you the materials you will find interesting.

It is a pity i had not seen NGE during my uni course, i could have worked it in somehow

ATh

[David Ikari]

No one is left untouched.
"The act of living is an embracement of change"
-Kaji
I could say that evangelion has taken up a portion of our lives. If it didnt, what are you doing here?
I dislike people bagging Neon Genisis. NGE was my life chnager. At school I was the kid who sat in the corner writing, the kid who wnadered down the corridors because he had no where to sit. No body picked on me because they barely even noticed me. After watching NGE, I learned that anything can change. It showed me emotions that twisted my mind into a new shape. I'm not saying it miraculously cured me of my depression, but it did open to me a new veiw of life.
I always wore my school uniform, or my olod school unform around the hous. Now I'm sitting here typing in an Hawaiin shirt and board shorts. I have seen that I can utilise empathic abilities. I feel anothers pain or happiness just when I'm tlaking with them.
I sound like I've been born again and like a nut case, but this is true. NGE changed me in a miraculous way. If I had'nt changed after NGE, I wouldn't even be in this forum. TV shows aren't bad, it's how a child changes after watching it can be bad.

[Oogami Ichirou]

Eva changed me for the better!

[eva2000]

HI Kenji Yazaika and welcome to my forums :D

[Access]

IN all the boards I have seen... I dont think I have ever sat and just thought about a question for this long before.... I am surprised to see this questsion, I have never come across it.... or if I have been able to answer it....

Yes I think EVA has influenced me... extrememly, I was ionterested in phylosiphy and relgion as a hobby.... I casually read things on it, but never really cared or understood. But EVA made me more aware it allowed me to actually study these topics and make me feel a passion for it. I am an Atheists and as such believe in no god... but in EVA it is a personfication of Sciecne and Relgion...

The day I watched episode 25 and 26 I understood barely nothing.... however after learning and talking with others.... then REwatching the episodes... my mide just bursted open with ideas and concepts..... I understood many mistakes made... the human flaws in people.... yes the day I started learning about EVA... I personality was revitilised.... I pretty much was a VERY different person. However the downside to this information is I have turned into a hermit... lol