Macross Plus question

[orochi X]

Just rewatching Macross Plus.

Im just stumped by one thing.

Why did that guy want Shanon Apple to take over the Macross or was that her own doing?

What was that guys motives?

[Ichitaka Seto]

He's a psychotic "visionary"....

[death]

SHe wants to please isamu. And the best way to do that was give him a challenge. THe hardest one that she could process was the macross thing i guess

[orochi X]

So it was Shanons own doings to take over the Macross eh, ahh i see that clears up everything

[death]

yup.

GLad to be of service

[orochi X]

One more question here, why did that bad guy commit suicide by jumping off the Macross in part 4?

[tekblade]

well there wasnt any clear reasons i guess to be with sharon, he jumped off or thats what i think. im guessing he was trying to be near her, feel her presence so jumped to get closer

[Valkyrie]

Actually, Sharon made Marge jump- she used him to attain her wishes. Her hypnotic powers were evident in the anime and shown just before he took his big leap off the Macross itself.

Sharon took over the Macross because she was linked and stored within the main intelligence core. She needed to protect herself and use the Macross to access all of Macross city to attain her goals. The Macross was also useful to lure Isamu and thus she can kill him herself through the X-9 Ghost or if need be, SDF-1 itself.

[orochi X]

So Sharon made Marge jump because she didnt need him anymore right,

[Steathassasn]

i think it was because of the hypnoism made him insane..but im sure a real sage of macross can answer you question correctly

[Valkyrie]

Steathassasn, there was no sign that Sharon made people insane, however, there's proof that she had hypnotic abilities. Sharon needed Marge to complete her self-awareness process: though she was already self-aware. She didn't need Marge anymore and was already informed by Myun the Marge was just using her. She it's more likely that she ridded herself of Marge via her alluring ability than making such a person insane.

[orochi X]

I have another question, ok who sent the message to Guld and Isamu about the fire?

Was it Sharon, if so why?

[Valkyrie]

Yes, Sharon created the fire and warned both Guld and Isamu. She created the fire to see did either or both Isamu and Guld had feelings for Myun. She wanted to see who loved her more. In the 4th OVA, she stated she loved both, but Isamu more. This further establishes proof that she was aware of her actions.

[orochi X]

Ahh i see, thanks Valkyrie

[Eddy]

But...Isamu was already seeing taht blonde girl with freckles..how so it's obviously Guld...:confused:

[Valkyrie]

And your point is....?? You don't even state a proper question :confused: how are people going to answer??

There's a deeper meaning on just having a partner. The issue and theme of love in Macross Plus just isn't about getting someone in the sack: I don't think you understand the issues and themes that the OVA is portraying.

Nor does this train of thought have anything to do with the fact Myung and Sharon have feelings for them: in spite of their relationships.

[Black_Knight]

But still, Marge being used by Sharon still isn't a palzable reason for me… I mean Marge already had these place long before the bio-neural chip was installed… So to assume his motives are even more foolish than calling Isamu prudent…

There has to be a better explination…

[Valkyrie]

I seem to see more people lacking simple understandings about what happened: Marge had a dream, and that was to have a computer with true AI- basically human in every possible way in terms of thought. The Sharon Apple concert was a momentuous occassion in which Marge could also show the world the first true AI which could independently think for itself. He planned all this way before it came into fruition: but to underline the irony, he doesn't trully understand that an AI with human qualities is hard to predict and control even with his intelligence.

The concert on Earth was to be held at the original Macross Island where the SDF was found. The most logical and best place for the concert would be around the ageing SDF itself. Thus placing something thought to be as harmless as the computer network of Sharon in the SDF intelligence core network was deemed the most practical course.

Since Sharon had her awareness, knows about Marge's own plans, she uses his plans to fulfil her ambitions. Hence the Ghost fighter, the controlling of the SDF and the events that take place. I certainly don't see why there should be a 'better' understanding.

[Eddy]

Originally posted by Black_Knight
But still, Marge being used by Sharon still isn't a palzable reason for me… I mean Marge already had these place long before the bio-neural chip was installed… So to assume his motives are even more foolish than calling Isamu prudent…

There has to be a better explination…

he was insane perhaps?

[Black_Knight]

Originally posted by Eddy


he was insane perhaps?

That's not good enough…

[Sara MacD]

Marge was not insane. However, I believe that it was his wanting to be one with his "creation" that he jumped off the SDF-1. Too bad that giant image was a projection...

[death]

I dont know.

Marge was definatly unbalanced..

Though he might have just been insaine as has been sujested i doubt he was attempting to become one with sharon. He would have made some interface unit rather than jumping off the SDF-1.

His motive are never really explained very well. My guess would be that he was just attempting to show the world the best performace ever. Then beleving that this performace could never be toped he jumped off the SDF-1 as the Climax of the performace.

Then the climax of the movie starts to whirl.

[Valkyrie]

I already gave you guys a proper or more feasible explaination than any stated afterwards- something wrong with it??

There's no indication Marge was insane rather than his fanatic desire to accomplish his dream. I don't see how ignoring my previous post on this thread and folowing rather sketchy one line statements bring credibility to Knight's question: are you really after an explaination or just a statement you want to hear??

If there's any real problem with my explaination- why not ask and I'll try to clarify some points: there's plenty of proof in the show for me to work on compared to the other comments stated here.

[Westlo]

Eddy can't handle serious animes^^ (only saying that since you didn't like Macross Plus and Evangelion, wonder how you would handle RahXephon and Gasarki (snore...)

BK is BK, he likes to go against the grain

[Valkyrie]

Going against the grain is not a problem: being ignorant and foolish is another thing altogether.... this post here seems peculiar and relatively fine but I'm really worried about all the Gundam posts he's been doing.

He's ignoring facts and seems to want an answer of his own choosing. Much like the Gundam thread I've looked into lately.

Well, you got a point, Eddy's never serious in this thread :) so I'll just let it slide. :D

[Black_Knight]

Originally posted by Westlo

BK is BK,"s"he likes to go against the grain

What... :dodgy: