View Full Version : Natasha Radinov's Weapon of Choice
Wolfpac
24-07-02, 02:09 AM
Why is Radinov's weapon of Choice a 'Spring Loaded Knife'???
For such an Expert Killer, it's such a risky weapon. A Gunshot would beat the knife and you have to be at a close distance to use it because it's momentum would be lost quite quickly. Maybe she just likes the colour of Blood or watching people die???
orochi X
24-07-02, 03:17 AM
What fun can you have popping a guy with a gun when you can impale them with a knife
Black_Knight
24-07-02, 05:45 PM
It is also cost effective… Although it is a one shot weapon… You have the Element of surprise as well…_You wouldn't expect the blade to pop out into your face…
It her trademark. She uses it on the main target or to make a point (Yes i know. Bad pun but hey)
She also uses guns to disable an agressive target first. Then finishes them off with the knife
Well, it's an interesting knife.
not only does it have the capability to launch the blade, it's seems capable of firing 3 rounds. Because of something i've seen somewhere, i'm assuming it's a .22LR
Black_Knight
28-07-02, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by nakey
Well, it's an interesting knife.
not only does it have the capability to launch the blade, it's seems capable of firing 3 rounds. Because of something i've seen somewhere, i'm assuming it's a .22LR
? Where? When?
Wolfpac
29-07-02, 08:29 AM
That's what I was going to say.
As far as I saw it, it was only a Spring-release Knife; I didn't notice that it had any type of Firepower going with it.
Black_Knight
29-07-02, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by Wolfpac
That's what I was going to say.
As far as I saw it, it was only a Spring-release Knife; I didn't notice that it had any type of Firepower going with it.
Right, they showed her reloading it in the start of the second eps, but that was it…_And we know she's got extra knifes… Er Clips for it because she left on at the warehouse, in her car, and in the hood of Rally's car… And then another one in Rally's shoulder…
She fires it (The .22) at the ATF agent at the safe house
It is a rather pointless weapon and I can't imagine any real professional using it.
I guess they thought it would be cool or something.
Black_Knight
30-07-02, 11:47 PM
Originally posted by death
She fires it (The .22) at the ATF agent at the safe house
Oh… But that was a seperate weapon I thought… I'll look that up…
When radinov walks into the safehouse, one of the ATF agents goes "hi bill... oh ----..." (or something to the effect)
As he reaches for the gun, Radinov presses something on the knife handle and it looks like the guy was shot 3 time
then she grabs him, switches the grip of her knife and cuts his throat....
later on tonight, i'll post some pics of it
Nakey
Black_Knight
31-07-02, 09:36 PM
Originally posted by nakey
When radinov walks into the safehouse, one of the ATF agents goes "hi bill... oh ----..." (or something to the effect)
As he reaches for the gun, Radinov presses something on the knife handle and it looks like the guy was shot 3 time
then she grabs him, switches the grip of her knife and cuts his throat....
later on tonight, i'll post some pics of it
Nakey
How that safe house…_I thought you meant when she betrayed Black…
what i was talking about what the first time she entered the safehouse. she went there to kill Washington
IIRC, she kills Black with what looks like an integrally supressed Ruger MK II .22LR (Action seems to be modified no to automatically cycle after each round). That was the only time we see her in the safehouse in episode 3
Nakey
I'm wrong.... :(
i've had another look at that scene, and it looks like Radinov uses 3 knives during the safehouse scene
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The big knife that she uses to hack down the dunny door
Her trademark Spring-Loaded knife
A combination knife and gun. this is the one that she uses to slit the throat of the first ATF agent that she meets
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slightly off topic: when she selects what "toy" she's gona use to hack down the door, you see what looks like a rifle but with a pistol grip sticking out of it. IIRC, that's her HK VP70M that she uses in ep3
Nakey
Here's a pic of the gun-knife that Radinov has
Black_Knight
01-08-02, 08:30 PM
Alright, I guess your right…_
orochi X
02-08-02, 02:50 AM
In the second pictture, near Radinov's hand theres a flash or something?
So does the blade get ignited out or what?
I dont know much about guns :heh:
Wolfpac
02-08-02, 02:34 PM
Well maybe there is some firepower with it because it needs some sort of firepower behind it. If it didn't, it might not fire straight. nakey, you’re sort of right, well no, not really. But it does seem to have some type of Firing mechanism, but not three rounds like you originality thought. Kudos to you for being quite close.
Originally posted by Lurker
It is a rather pointless weapon and I can't imagine any real professional using it.
I guess they thought it would be cool or something.
You're right. It is not an effective weapon. I rather have a combat knife then one of those for a fight. The best way to use a knife is to slit someone throat which will incapacitated the person. Shooting one single blade might not do the trick. You have to take your opponent out fast. You can't allow your opponent to fight back or have a chance to fight back.
A pistol bullet cost around 5 cent and a rifle bullet 20 cent. You can reloaded for 50% or less then factory ammo. A good spring loaded knife cost around $100-300. I guess it has some uses.
Black_Knight
02-08-02, 08:40 PM
I'd go with throwing knives, but my aim and strengh isn't good enough, that's probably why she used that…
Originally posted by Wolfpac
Well maybe there is some firepower with it because it needs some sort of firepower behind it. If it didn't, it might not fire straight. nakey, you’re sort of right, well no, not really. But it does seem to have some type of Firing mechanism, but not three rounds like you originality thought. Kudos to you for being quite close.
well, it looks like there's only 3 rounds..
she fires 2 in quick sucession, then one more. also, there are 2 holes in the first pic i post...
If i can find it, i 'll post a link to a knife i found on the net that also have this capability. Fred, i need your help for this one ^_^ if it helps, there are 2 versions i saw: one is standalone and one can mount onto the M16's Bayonet lug
i agree that it's not gonna be an accurate weapon. the barrel is too short for some semblance of accuracy
Nakey
Do you mean a spring-loaded knife that is mounted on an M16? I never saw one before but I guess it is possible. If you have picture of those knives, I would like to see them. My knowledge of knives is limited but I do have a small collection of pocket and combat knives.
The .22lr is a very popular round. It is very cheap, less then 1 cent per round. I own a few .22lr firearms. The .22lr sub sonic round is a favorite for Israeli’s assassins and other people that you don’t want to meet. US Special Forces has known to use them.
The .22lr round don’t have the stopping power but a few well-placed shoots in a person will most likely kill him. Pistols and revolvers that chamber the 22lr can be extremely small. They are highly concealable and if use with .22lr sub sonic rounds will be very silent.
One of my favorite pocket guns is the North American Arms Mini-Revolver. I carry it when I am in a hurry and don’t have time to put my rig on. I just put the revolver (in a holster) in my pocket and you have one-armed red neck.
http://www.naaminis.com/lrifle.html
The Russian developed absolutely silent cartridges.
http://world.guns.ru/ammo/sp-e.htm
You can find information on Israeli Special Forces weapons at http://www.isayeret.com/. It only gives official weapons that they use and not the black ops weapons.
no, the combination knife/gun
i don't know where i saw one.. I think there was a link at www.ar15.com, but i'm not exactly sure
Black_Knight
03-08-02, 12:17 PM
The link doesn't work…
Here this link should work. http://www.ar15.com/
AR-15.com forum is very popular.
Knife pistols are not new but one that use gun powder to launch the blade is kind of rare. I never saw one before and is probably not legal to own one.
Here is a knife pistol that shoot a .38spl
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=knife+pistol
Black_Knight
04-08-02, 09:31 PM
Next thing they'll think of is a gun that shoots knives… Probably already have though… :lol:
Yeah. There are so many weird design that nothing is impossible to make if someone put their minds to it.
I was thinking about the ATF agents in the safe house that Natasha killed. Those agents should have been wearing body armor because they are on a high risk assignment.
orochi X
05-08-02, 03:06 AM
Originally posted by Fred
I was thinking about the ATF agents in the safe house that Natasha killed. Those agents should have been wearing body armor because they are on a high risk assignment.
Yeah, they had weapons and all but no body armour. I think they werent thinking about getting shot, so no need for armour
No one knows if they are going to get shot or not. You don't plan these things in advance. That's why all LEO wear body armor while on duty.
Black_Knight
05-08-02, 07:26 PM
They are ATF, they have locks first, they would get body armor if they knew someone was coming, but to stay on stand by all the time is it on, I have tried on Kevalar, and it isn't the most confortable items to wear... Besides, they don't expect someone to break into the place...
You’re right body armor is not comfortable. It is mandatory to wear body armor while on duty for our local police department. Any LEO that does not wear one while on duty can get fire. I don’t know what kind of policies the ATF has on body armor. For all I know they might not have one but protecting someone, one would think that the bodyguards should be wise enough to wear body armors.
Perhaps she likes to use it because it doesn't make a lot of noise. And she probably likes the sight of blood.
Spring loaded Balistic knife found at www.securityarms.com
right here ^_^ (http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2300/2375.htm)
I'm having no luck on the .22LR shooting knife though...
Nakey
Wolfpac
15-04-03, 10:54 AM
So it isn't just something they made up. Heck, the site even said that it's Russian. Boy the production team must have put in a lot of research work in this series.
Thank for the link nakey
....almost a lot of research....
there's the VP70 that Radinov fires in full auto...
http://www.hkpro.com/VP70.htm
The VP70M doesn't fire in Full-auto.... VP70Z deosn't fire burst...
the other knife in the Safehouse scene.. well kinda..
info here (http://www.ludd.luth.se/~antenna/m2k/weap/bowie.htm)
Pic here (http://www.ludd.luth.se/~antenna/m2k/weap/bowie.jpg)
this one fires .22LR
It doesn't look the same as the one Radinov uses when she enters the Safehouse.
Nakey
Originally posted by nakey
....almost a lot of research....
there's the VP70 that Radinov fires in full auto...
http://www.hkpro.com/VP70.htm
The VP70M doesn't fire in Full-auto.... VP70Z deosn't fire burst...
The majority of handguns do not fire full auto. It doesn’t mean that it can’t go full auto. To make most handguns go full auto all you need is to file the disconnector down. It takes just a few minute to do and is illegal I might add. It’s also a waste of bullets for a handgun to go full auto. I have seen a few old 1911 gone full auto because the disconnector got worn out. It’s an easy fix by putting a new disconnector.
Most modern weapons don’t fire full auto unless it design to. The M16A2 and M4 can’t fire full auto, only in semi auto or three round burst. However the M16A1 can do full auto but the US military retired it.
One of the things they did right in Black Hawk Down was the consistent use of semi auto mode by US soldiers firing their M16A2. Only the guy that had the light machinegun gone full auto because it is the only mode that it has.
Originally posted by Fred
The majority of handguns do not fire full auto. It doesn’t mean that it can’t go full auto. To make most handguns go full auto all you need is to file the disconnector down. It takes just a few minute to do and is illegal I might add. It’s also a waste of bullets for a handgun to go full auto. I have seen a few old 1911 gone full auto because the disconnector got worn out. It’s an easy fix by putting a new disconnector.
Most modern weapons don’t fire full auto unless it design to. The M16A2 and M4 can’t fire full auto, only in semi auto or three round burst. However the M16A1 can do full auto but the US military retired it.
One of the things they did right in Black Hawk Down was the consistent use of semi auto mode by US soldiers firing their M16A2. Only the guy that had the light machinegun gone full auto because it is the only mode that it has.
For the VP70M, i've heard that the modifications needed to make it go full auto are rather extreme and modify the look of the stock somewhat....
It also won't fire Burst without the stock, or at least adding something to the connector to allow it to fire Burst....
I've heard of that M1911 one though... According to my Dad, former Film star and Philippine President Joseph Estrada used Full-auto M1911s in his films, and that's how they engineered it to fire FA...
On the Subject of the ARs, i believe the Military uses M4A1s which have Auto capability. They ditched the M4s some time ago. There's also the M16A3 which is a full auto M16A2. I don't know how widely available that is though... For the civilian population with pre-ban ARs, there is that Drop In Autosear that you can get...
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