I know something MDWigs doesn't know!

[thedarkmarine]

Yeah! Beat this! What rifle did eva copy from? Yeah!

Steyr ACR:

http://casusbelli.iespana.es/casusbelli/arsenal/steyr_acr_06.jpg

I might have even beaten the local military expert, Hiigs.

1 0w|\|z j00 411, ph00z. :D

[DistMan]

Do you want a cookie? ;poke:

[felineki]

Yes, that is most certainly a Pallet Gun...

Nice bit of trivia there, thedarkmarine. :)

[MDWigs]

That is something I didn't know!

I am not really into guns, so I don't know much about their use in Eva at all.

[Project Akira]

Well do you know the chemical makeup of LCL MDWigs? *doesn't know himself but would be interested in what it is a chemical compound of in reality*

[Schizm]

Ack, the Styer.....One of the Australia Defence Forces blunders.

A rifle with the ability to fire in full automatic. But, since it is made from a plastic material, it tends to melt when continuously used in full automatic.

Opps.

[The Captain]

Wasn't there a post showing this relationship a long time ago? Hmm, may have been another board or something... Anyways, full automatic isn't that important, even in close combat.

[Schizm]

And, the Styer has a tendancy to discharge without the trigger being pulled. A number of accidental deaths have been blamed on this.....

No, full automatic isn't really important. But, it does have it's uses. Covering fire, holding fire etc.

[thedarkmarine]

Originally posted by Schizm
And, the Styer has a tendancy to discharge without the trigger being pulled. A number of accidental deaths have been blamed on this.....

No, full automatic isn't really important. But, it does have it's uses. Covering fire, holding fire etc.

Making noobies look stupid in CS.

[The Captain]

Originally posted by Schizm
No, full automatic isn't really important. But, it does have it's uses. Covering fire, holding fire etc.

You can have effective covering fire without full auto. Besides, the only type of gun that can provide decent (as in fairly on target at ranges other than close combat) covering fire on full auto are machine guns.

Eh, whatever, I'm getting off topic. But I swear I've seen that rifle linked to Eva somewhere.

[GuGuEaTeR]

hey, that Steyr DOES look like the rifle EVAs used!

ok, here's a question that i wonder if MDWigs or anyone else knows.

-what's the positron rifle, how it would work in REAL life and describe it's effects when an object would have been shot by it in REAL life

if u do physics then it's easy for u people so let others who don't do physics answer. oh yeah, positron has yet been made into a rifle, i don't think.

[The Sixth Child]

Originally posted by GuGuEaTeR
hey, that Steyr DOES look like the rifle EVAs used!

ok, here's a question that i wonder if MDWigs or anyone else knows.

-what's the positron rifle, how it would work in REAL life and describe it's effects when an object would have been shot by it in REAL life

if u do physics then it's easy for u people so let others who don't do physics answer. oh yeah, positron has yet been made into a rifle, i don't think.

How do you expect somebody to answer If they don't know anything about physics? If someone is not famliar with the subject then they won't be able to give you an answer. Not the correct answer at least. I'm not a physics teacher or anything. I believe that's what you were trying to say so I will go ahead and answer.

(Btw, in case anyones interested this subject was addressed in a past issue of the manga in the "Secerts of Evangelion" section, the black pages, sorry I can't remember what issue it was right now.)

Positrons are anti-matter. So you would have a Anti-Matter Rifle. Just like in Star Trek, matter and anti-matter don't mix, at least not in large amounts. In real life if you had a Positron Rifle the second you pulled the trigger it would cause an explosion. The anti-matter would not be able to leave the gun because the moment it came in contact with the surrounding air, which is made up of regular matter, .. KA-BOOM! If it were possible to shoot an object with a Positron Rifle, which it's not because of what I stated above, it would probably cause an explosion that would make a nuclear bomb look like a firecracker.

[The_NME]

Originally posted by Schizm
Ack, the Styer.....One of the Australia Defence Forces blunders.

A rifle with the ability to fire in full automatic. But, since it is made from a plastic material, it tends to melt when continuously used in full automatic.

Opps.

First of all the Steyr AUG or the F88 Austeyr as it is designated by the ADF was made by Steyr Mannlicher in Austria. A Company called ADI purchased a licence to make them here for the ADF.

Any firearm regardless of whether it's an M-16, AK-47 or an F88 will melt if it is fired long enough on automatic. This is simply the nature of any firearm. If it fired it gets hot, and if it's on auto it can get really hot (I mean red hot). Also the only plastic bits are the buttstock, butt plate, the fore grip, cocking handle, safety catch and buttsock release catch and trigger, the housing for the firing mechanism and some parts in the firing mechanism (the hammer is one of them) and as far as I can remember a part in the bolt assembly as well (I think it locks the bolt, firing pin and recoil spring in place in the bolt carrier). Remember the plastic is high quality and very durable. It's not as if they'd use cheap stuff when soldiers lives depend on it. Parts like the reciever, bolt, bolt carrier, firing pin, gas plug, springs, gas pistons etc are obviously made of metal.

Originally posted by Schizm
And, the Styer has a tendancy to discharge without the trigger being pulled. A number of accidental deaths have been blamed on this.....

No, full automatic isn't really important. But, it does have it's uses. Covering fire, holding fire etc.

This can often be put down to the user ignoring basic safety procedures that were taught during thier training and/or lack of experience handling the weapon rather then technical fault. This was proven in the incidents in Somalia and East Timor. Don't quote me on this but I think the Austeyr's saftey catch works by physically blocking the trigger from the firing mechanism. When the safety is applied (By pushing in the sliding button toward the right) the trigger cannot be squeezed (or pulled, whatever you like). There was debate in an issue of Australian Shooter a few months back about the F88 and I missed that issue to... damn.

As for automatic fire, The F88 and most other assault rifles have a cyclic rate of fire of around 600 rounds/min, which means it would empty the 30 round mag in about 3 seconds. This makes too much auto fire a waste of ammo. It is still useful for fire support but only to an extent.

Having actually handled, bieng instructed on, and fired (not auto) the F88 (Former Cadet) I found it to be good weapon IMHO that was easy to handle and use and the recoil was pretty low to.

btw that Steyr definetely looks like the rifle the EVAs use. It's just like they copied the Desert Eagle for the pistol.

[EVA fiend]

Originally posted by The Captain
Wasn't there a post showing this relationship a long time ago? Hmm, may have been another board or something... Anyways, full automatic isn't that important, even in close combat.

I think there was a thread about the Steyr in Evangelion too, sometime last year if I remember correctly..., I tried doing a search for it..., but I think the thread's disappeared into the black hole during ATh's spring cleaning of Eva Chit Chat..., :heh:

[thedarkmarine]

I remember back a while, I stated that K's eva02 came with an exact copy of a Steyr AUG, while I thought the pallet gun was from the FAMAS.

[Black_Knight]

Originally posted by MDWigs
That is something I didn't know!

I am not really into guns, so I don't know much about their use in Eva at all.

----! I had a picture of that and wanted to post it... But I never found it! :bawling:

[GuGuEaTeR]

Originally posted by The Sixth Child


How do you expect somebody to answer If they don't know anything about physics? If someone is not famliar with the subject then they won't be able to give you an answer. Not the correct answer at least. I'm not a physics teacher or anything. I believe that's what you were trying to say so I will go ahead and answer.

(Btw, in case anyones interested this subject was addressed in a past issue of the manga in the "Secerts of Evangelion" section, the black pages, sorry I can't remember what issue it was right now.)

Positrons are anti-matter. So you would have a Anti-Matter Rifle. Just like in Star Trek, matter and anti-matter don't mix, at least not in large amounts. In real life if you had a Positron Rifle the second you pulled the trigger it would cause an explosion. The anti-matter would not be able to leave the gun because the moment it came in contact with the surrounding air, which is made up of regular matter, .. KA-BOOM! If it were possible to shoot an object with a Positron Rifle, which it's not because of what I stated above, it would probably cause an explosion that would make a nuclear bomb look like a firecracker.

the answer : there weren't be an explosion, that is directly. but there will be EXTREAM amount of heat produced (which in turn can explode things) and gamma ray. so either 3 things may happen

1. the object gets hit and is vaporised instantly killing any near biological things with its devastating gamma-ray
2. the gun itself explodes
3. the positron just goes straight through with no effect at all


EVAs with Steyr AUG? i'd like to see that :) Steyr series does have cool Sci-Fi looking so Gainax did probally used the designs as is.

[Kerensky]

Yes, the models of the EVAs give 02 an Aug and some variety of pistol complete with silencer and laser sight, original 00 gets a pump shotgun, 04 gets an MP5

[thedarkmarine]

02's pistol is a Beretta.

[Hiigaran]

EVA 01's pistol looked like a Desert Eagle .50.

[Black_Knight]

And 04 gets a Sig... along with two police batons...

My lover gets the cooler extending hands! :D ;)

[Hiigaran]

Originally posted by Black_Knight
And 04 gets a Sig... along with two police batons...

My lover gets the cooler extending hands! :D ;)

Right now I'm envisioning you being crushed by the giant Phallus of EVA-03 as you attempt to consumate your love for it.

[thedarkmarine]

Aren't Eva's female? Unless the angel infected it with a man-man. Woah.

[DistMan]

Yeah and the rifle U-00 used during the 16:th angel attack looked like a Barret Light (Or AG90 as we call it over here in Sweden)

[Wayward Ray]

i agree with basically everything 'The_Nme' said, i too was a cadet and hav fired the f88, i cant see it melting, lol not unless u covered it in petrol and lit a match, or somehow gav it an ammo belt about 30 metres long and put it on full auto..

a FAMAS? as in that little french bugle thing? hehe it does a bit, but both the steyr and the Famas hav a strange looking design so its likely the idea for the pallet gun was taken from those.

[Wayward Ray]

just in case, i'll say, that yes it would only be the plastic parts that might melt if u cover a steyr in petrol, it might not be all of them and it might not melt all of the parts it does start to melt, and yes, the match would have to be thrown onto the weapon, which is preferably not (or perhaps preferably) held by the person putting the match against the petrol...

blah blah blah technical crap hehe

just in case someone wanted to giv me some criticism that right now i probably arent sane enough to take normally ... :hmmm:

and for a change, something ON topic, yeh i havnt seen anything else on here that MDWIGS hasnt known at least a little bit about.

pretty wise guy that MDWigs, and no i wasnt bein sarcastic.. whereas some of us others r kind of persistant and annoying? ;poke: remind u of anyone?

[Wayward Ray]

if u cant tell, i am kinda bored right now.. eh.. but yeh it is hard to come up with a weapon that has a function of a steyr that looks realistic yet different... so 'im up stairs' would hav chosen to use weapons that did look kind of wierd anyways, so that it'd seem more different, which is all good i spose....:sulkoff: ;peep:

[Black_Knight]

Originally posted by Hiigaran


Right now I'm envisioning you being crushed by the giant Phallus of EVA-03 as you attempt to consumate your love for it.

Evangelion Unit-03.... :dodgy:

[Pezman]

i think it also does look much like the FAMAS.

http://aster.iespana.es/aster/Images/famas.gif

[Project Akira]

Originally posted by thedarkmarine
Aren't Eva's female? Unless the angel infected it with a man-man. Woah. I thought they were asexual

[Pezman]

i think it also does look much like the FAMAS.

http://aster.iespana.es/aster/Images/famas.gif

and i also do think unit 1s gun does look like a desert eagle but i haven't seen unit 2s because i can't remeber when it was used in any episode :confused:

whoops i posted twice:o

[Project Akira]

Originally posted by Pezman
and i also do think unit 1s gun does look like a desert eagle but i haven't seen unit 2s because i can't remeber when it was used in any episode? I don't think that Unit-02 actually used a gun in the series. EVA fiend might know the answer to this one or maybe MD Wigs even if he still hasn't answered my question about LCL's chemical makeup

[Pezman]

The only episode i can remeber unit 2 using guns is ep19 when Zeruel gets inside the Geo-front and Asuka is positioned below with heaps of guns but i didn't see any hand guns. Though i heard the unit 2 model comes with one? even though it has never been used in any episode.

[Frags]

btw that Steyr definetely looks like the rifle the EVAs use. It's just like they copied the Desert Eagle for the pistol. [/B]

arrrgh I was about to say the pistol was the Desert Eagle.

[thedarkmarine]

I'm talking about the toy. 02 comes with an Steyr AUG.

[Frags]

Well I just remember that in the episode with the shadow that swallows Shinji, his pistol reminded me of the IMI Desert Eagle...

[Phantasus]

Yes, there was a post about this a long time ago. Brought to you by your humble poster, me. :D

[The_NME]

The pistol EVA 01 uses is definately a rip-off of the IMI Desert Eagle


http://www.jcu.edu.au/~jc135936/Images/evapistol.gif

http://www.jcu.edu.au/~jc135936/Images/deagle.gif

See the similiarities


As for the big rifle (not the JSSDF Positron Rifle) that EVA 00 uses, I think that GAINAX may have actually came up with something original instead of being lazy.

[GuGuEaTeR]

at least it looks better than a Glock :D

[7thchildren]

wow i really like that avitar gugueater




*cough*





back on topic
what about the rialgun to kill the 5th angel (flying fortess one)
where did they get that from?

[seele]

It wasn't a Railgun that they used, but infact a long range positron sniper rifle. Those the theory of a railgun does exist. The Americans were doing tests to try to find way of launching satilites into space with out rockets. The Railgun idea was used to be opposing magnets in a V shape, then the applied a lot of power( about 100MV or something bigger) to propell the object upwards, tiny problem was that it crushed the satilites so bad they would become on big pile of crushed steel and would never work again. I wonder when America is goingto give us a public demo of the Laser cannon again(1996).

Seele

[Pezman]

i thought the laser cannon was only recent i remeber only seeing it about a yr ago on the news maybe 2yrs but it was massive about the size of plane for every thing including power. And the gun they used in ep 5 doesn't exist at all it was made up.