I LOVE Arjuna!!!

[Rei2103]

:o Hi!!!

I love Arjuna!!! It's so good and the animation is brilliant!!! I can't wait for the 3rd DVD!!!

I do Archery myself and so was glad that Juna did it because I can relate!!! (and also pretend have to protect the Earth!!!)

So, why do you love it??? :p

[kindred350]

Yeah you should love the third volume, I sure did. And arjuna teach you about diff things that you noting would of throught about.

[Schizm]

Stupid environmentalists.......

Arjuna is nothing more than a hippy preaching with some nice animation and music.

[kindred350]

Hey Schizm just because you get off wacthing something like cutely honey or handly maid may, do not mean this anime suck. I mean just give it up all ready. Beside I guess guys like you can not understand the beautil of a anime like this one.

[Schizm]

Hippy....

I'm entitled to my own opinion, and I think it blows chunks. Did I try to force this opinion on to you? No. Are you forcing your opinion onto me? I think so (So hard to tell with your broken pigeon English).

Toodles.

[Schizm]

Now, this is embarrassing...

[Schizm]

And, for your info, I don't think much of Hand Maid May or Cutey Honey either :P

[kindred350]

I guess you so in love with hand handly maid that you are mad that I insult you about it.

[Schizm]

Why would anyone get mad when being told they like something, even if they don't? You're the one getting mad because I don't like Arjuna.....Do those big worms get you all hot and moist, Kindred?

[iwakura]

Stupid environmentalists.......

Arjuna is nothing more than a hippy preaching with some nice animation and music.

It's a little preachy, and it ocassionally gets its facts wrong. I mean dioxin is bad, but it's not the worst thing that one can be exposed to. Also, they implied that a flip-flop of the magnetic poles would cause a major catastrophy, but that's happened many times in the past... Overall, it's a nice storyline, but I do wish the author had a better science background.

[Kyouta]

i dont know,

it was an interesting anime to me.

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[SamIam]

:o Hi!!!

I love Arjuna!!! It's so good and the animation is brilliant!!! I can't wait for the 3rd DVD!!!

I do Archery myself and so was glad that Juna did it because I can relate!!! (and also pretend have to protect the Earth!!!)

So, why do you love it??? :p

... haven't seen it, but its beginning to sound like "Captain Planet" or some such. Interesting range of responses, though, the apparant lack of scientific accuracy does make me wince ...

btw if you like eco-awareness themes, check out the works of Hayao Miyazaki.

[John Faulkner]

I haven't seen this either, but out of curiosity, I checked its Wiki entry. It looks OK, but probably too fantasy-based for me. My impression is that it lacks the impact of hard reality. Actually, this is a problem I have with anime in general. Miyazaki's works are supreme in showing the intrinsic worth of the non-human environment (through human eyes), but it doesn't explore how to translate this attitude into concrete actions in real life.

Juna Ariyoshi saving the dying Earth with the "Avatar of Time" is OK as a symbolic story (although not exactly original), but if you really want to help "Mother Nature", you'd better start learning about how real plants and animals live and behave, and our impact upon them.

[SamIam]

Miyazaki's works are supreme in showing the intrinsic worth of the non-human environment (through human eyes), but it doesn't explore how to translate this attitude into concrete actions in real life.


My interpretation of this approach has to do with the emphasis on the "purity" of his vision.

IMO HM was trying to create an enduring vision that was not overtly sermonistic ... a cinematic experience that allowed the viewer to draw their own conclusions and consequent behavioral extensions to the idea of humans and nature.

To carry the metaphor further, he was planting the seeds of an idea by tossing them to the winds so to speak.

[John Faulkner]

My interpretation of this approach has to do with the emphasis on the "purity" of his vision.

IMO HM was trying to create an enduring vision that was not overtly sermonistic ... a cinematic experience that allowed the viewer to draw their own conclusions and consequent behavioral extensions to the idea of humans and nature.

To carry the metaphor further, he was planting the seeds of an idea by tossing them to the winds so to speak.
I'd certainly agree with Miyazaki's vision as "pure" in the idealistic sense. Characters like Nausicaa, Pazu and San have the utmost respect for "nature", and in Nausicaa, the "pure" (saintly) attribute is evident when she created a miracle at the end.

Miyazaki is indirect in showing the attitude required for an even-handed relationship with "nature". But he drives this attitude through so intensely that it becomes like a moral obligation upon the viewer (which leaves some viewers cold precisely because of these moral undertones). This, I think, is due to the characters risking all for this attitude (and its outcomes). Nausicaa and San are both willing to sacrifice their lives, and Sheeta would rather die than become all-powerful. In effect, Miyazaki seems to be saying, in poetic fashion: "Look folks, this is a serious problem worthy of consideration, and it warrants a heroic effort to even try and resolve it. Take a good look at yourselves."

But, the seeds need the right environment to blossom. In an increasingly industrialized world, people are becoming more and more detached from the environment. Something like Laputa could certainly make a bigger emotional impact than a scientific tome (and indeed, does for me), but the practical knowledge and tools need to be in place to make a real change. Science has progressed to such a stage that people are almost obliged to use it to help conserve the environment, else the people on the other side would have a field day using it to further their own aims.

Having said all that, I think adding more scientific angles to movies such as Nausicaa would not be very appropriate to what they're trying to do. Perhaps it would be better to have separate movies taking a more hard-nosed approach.

[SamIam]

But, the seeds need the right environment to blossom. In an increasingly industrialized world, people are becoming more and more detached from the environment. Something like Laputa could certainly make a bigger emotional impact than a scientific tome (and indeed, does for me), but the practical knowledge and tools need to be in place to make a real change. Science has progressed to such a stage that people are almost obliged to use it to help conserve the environment, else the people on the other side would have a field day using it to further their own aims.


I think, the key here is the emotional impact that such a story creates ... to offset the increasingly detached and cerebral mindset that a high tech society tends to promote. The practical knowledge and tools already exist and are accessible to the average industrialized citizen ... what may or may not exist is the motivation and visceral awareness to prompt further investigation and ultimately self directed action.

As for the inevitable use of science, I think that it is probable given its global momentum and mankind's intrinsic tool using nature ...

Will mankind use science wisely? My personal take on this is that, we humans will make many, many more mistakes ... but nothing to warrant extinction or unrecoverable damage to our ecosystem.

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[eatpork]

Never heard of this show, but I'll probably end up watching it somewhere along the line.

[John Faulkner]

I think, the key here is the emotional impact that such a story creates ... to offset the increasingly detached and cerebral mindset that a high tech society tends to promote. The practical knowledge and tools already exist and are accessible to the average industrialized citizen ... what may or may not exist is the motivation and visceral awareness to prompt further investigation and ultimately self directed action.
No disagreements here -- apart from that the practical knowledge and tools database may exist, but the average citizen still need to acquire them. Still, I agree that the emotional part is of paramount importance. And it is in light of considerations such as these that I think it is important not to totally separate science from other spheres.

As for the inevitable use of science, I think that it is probable given its global momentum and mankind's intrinsic tool using nature ...

Will mankind use science wisely? My personal take on this is that, we humans will make many, many more mistakes ... but nothing to warrant extinction or unrecoverable damage to our ecosystem.
Couldn't agree more that humans will make more mistakes. IMO, the issue is not whether the human race will become extinct or whether we will wreck the entire biosphere. It's about whether we want to live in an environment surrounded by lifeless man-made objects and domesticated organisms which exist fundamentally to serve mankind, or one where there is some semblance of true autonomy for other types of "wild" organisms. I think the issue is summed up by the protest made by a poet:
by abstruse research to steal
From my own nature all the natural man;

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Note that this is a new twist on an ancient story from India. It's an interesting alternative to have a Hindu story when we are usually exposed to Christian ancient stories.

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Note that this is a new twist on an ancient story from India. It's an interesting alternative to have a Hindu story when we are usually exposed to Christian ancient stories.
Yes, definitely agree with this. Perhaps anime (Trigun in places, Evangelion, Hellsing) uses Christian themes as it appears more mysterious to the Japanese audience, just like Zen Buddhism would appear strange to a Western audience.

How about an anime based in Africa? That's an area pretty much pushed into oblivion in the cartoon world.

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