RahXephon compared to...

[Fatal Outlaw]

ive been hearing A LOT about how RX is similar to Eva, and ive also read time and again that its not. anyhow, i just watched Argentosoma, and from what i read in magazines and websites, it sounds kinda similar...now, i have not seen RX (and cant wait to see it), but how does it compare to Argentosoma?

[Lord_Satorious]

I'm not too sure about Argento Soma, but as for Evangelion... I liked RahXephon more. Maybe it's just me, but I don't worship GAINAX. In fact I thought their better works were when they were a smaller production studio (Nadia, GunBuster, Honneamise... et cetera).

One thing the RahXephon itself resembles is an older Yoshiyuki Tomino mecha, which I'll cover in another post.

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[Westlo]

Space Runaway Ideon is the anime LS will be talking about.

Should be a good read.

And I prefer RahXephon over Evangelion as well.

[3line]

Eva was an overblown absurdist drama that attempts to disguise its blisteringly simple existential messge behind mountains of superflous symbology and amateur psychology.

Incongruous (for much of the series, no clear direction for either plot or absurdist elements) and frustrating is how I'd describe Eva.

[MDWigs]

Thanks for your views... but how about commenting on RahXephon?

[Kyrakasa]

I've started a thread about this in Eva Discussions. It has alot of Spoilers of course since I will be comparing the two...

but it was moved to Eva Chit Chat...

All the Rah Xephon Otaku's are killing me... :lol:

They are plain rude

Instead of just saying I'm a moron or saying that it's obvious I can't possibly have seen Eva or Rah Xephon.

Can't an intelligent discussion be brought up?....

I'm tired of people bashing me so I'm hoping to find some NICE people to talk to...

I can't believe the rudeness of Westlo, 3line, and Xeesh Darkstalker. :confused:

I'm stating only a few similarities at a time, since there are TOO MUCH to compare... I can almost take any Theme, Character, or Idea of RahXephon and find the origins in Evangelion.

Keep reading progressively and I'll point out more similarities or answer any questions...

Apparently Xeesh Darkstalker says how stupid I am for comparing Gendo to Jin so I made a more detailed comparison on the second page...

If you have comments or questions... Don't bash me while asking please. :)

http://animeboards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50791&perpage=9&pagenumber=1


p.s. Don't hate me... I'm not saying Rah Xephon is a rip off... It's something great... It's the Evangelion of 2002. I'm happy to see that Evangelion will never die... Eva lives on forever...

Rah Xephon is another possibility of what the world might be... Shinji just chose it differently... or maybe Asuka and Shinji is Kamina's great- great- great - grandparents... in the new world formed at the end of Eva.

[Westlo]

Whats this got to do with RahXephon compared to Argento Soma?

Anyway this AnimeOnDVD thread should answer your question Fatal Outlaw if noone in this thread can.

http://forums.animeondvd.com/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=11&topic_id=11039&mesg_id=11039&listing_type=search

[Kyrakasa]

Doesn't this look alot like the headless statues in the last episodes of eva... and in Death/rebirth as well as in EOE>?


http://www.boomspeed.com/kyrakasa/rah_evastatues.jpg

[3line]

I believe that I watched one episode of Argento Soma some time ago and did not like it. Can't remember anything specific, but it's a feeling.

Originally posted by Kyrakasa
Doesn't this look alot like the headless statues in the last episodes of eva... and in Death/rebirth as well as in EOE>?


Besides the fact that this has even less to do with the topic than your previous post, you're comparing a painting of RahXephon's head to Eva's headless statues. Give it up.

[Kyrakasa]

Besides the fact that this has even less to do with the topic than your previous post, you're comparing a painting of RahXephon's head to Eva's headless statues. Give it up.-3line-

Besides the fact that your last 2 posts only Bashed Evangelion and Argentosoma... I would have to say my posts have alot more to do with the topic... :lol:

Eva was an overblown absurdist drama that attempts to disguise its blisteringly simple existential messge behind mountains of superflous symbology and amateur psychology.

Incongruous (for much of the series, no clear direction for either plot or absurdist elements) and frustrating is how I'd describe Eva.

I believe that I watched one episode of Argento Soma some time ago and did not like it. Can't remember anything specific, but it's a feeling.
-3line-

So apparently your "feeling" that you didn't like other anime's is much more on topic...

Lol... I have to lol again... Gomen Nasi... :lol:


Well given it's significance since it's the first of two paintings shown at the ending... And the other painting I doubt you would put off the significance of. I thought it was worth mentioning...


http://www.boomspeed.com/kyrakasa/rah_evastatues.jpg

:lol:

p.s. So I guess you know for sure That is a Painting of Rah Xephon's head?? Since well of course you know everything...

[Westlo]

Stop posting off topic Kyrakasa or I'll report your posts to a moderator.

This thread is about RahXephon & ArgentoSoma, keep your bitching about Rah and Eva for the thread you made in Eva Chit Chat which nobody wants to post in any more.

[Kyrakasa]

Ok Westlo...

I was just pointing out 3lines's hypocrisy...

Gomen. :p

[Spike 558]

I actually think Gasaraki is better then Eva.
But I still commend RahXaphon for boldly being a shameless Eva clone.

EDIT: I've only seen the first ep of RX, but I would like to see more: I'm told it gets better.
Apparently.

[Westlo]

You call it an Evangelion clone and you have seen one episode out of 26.

Not only that but I hardly see how you can call it a clone from the first episode alone, I say your decision on calling it a clone was based on what you have heard/read than you making up your own mind.

And I still don't get what Evangelion and now Gasaraki has do do with RahXephon compared to ArgentoSoma.

Can you people read?

Oh and btw

RahXephon > Evangelion > > > > Gasaraki.

[Animeniac1]

First of all, I found Eva MEDIOCRE. Sure, the animation was nice, the presentation was good, but I didn't find the fights and characters engaging. Furthermore, I found the story okay, but a little too depressing for my tastes (not as depressing as Lain though). I've only seen the first 5 eps, but I plan to see more. I've heard it gets much better. Hehe, episode five had an...erm...interesting scene.



Now, for Argentosoma. I didn't like this anime. At all. It felt like "amerime" to me.

[MDWigs]

Thanks for your views, but how do they relate to RahXephon?

This thread is about RahXephon being compared to other anime after all, not just for making comments about other anime.

[Spike 558]

Sayeth Westlo (dammit, why do I always wind up being at odds with this guy?!?!?):
You call it an Evangelion clone and you have seen one episode out of 26.

Not only that but I hardly see how you can call it a clone from the first episode alone, I say your decision on calling it a clone was based on what you have heard/read than you making up your own mind.

And I still don't get what Evangelion and now Gasaraki has do do with RahXephon compared to ArgentoSoma.

Can you people read?

Oh and btw

RahXephon > Evangelion > > > > Gasaraki.

Hey, I saw the screenshots before I saw the ep. and I've read some reviews and asked around. All pointed to the conclusion that RahXephon is an Eva clone. Thus, I had a general idea (if you can call it that) of what to expect.
And may i add the same thing happened before I began seeing Gasaraki. hence my mentioning of it here (although the designs, the plot and the characters in RahXephon is more obvious).

BTW, I have never heard of ArgentoSoma, let alone seen it, so I can't comment.

Finally, everyone is entitled to their own opinion so in spite of what you think, I happen to enjoy Gasaraki. A lot. So there.

[Westlo]

Originally posted by Spike 558
Hey, I saw the screenshots before I saw the ep. and I've read some reviews and asked around. All pointed to the conclusion that RahXephon is an Eva clone. Thus, I had a general idea (if you can call it that) of what to expect.

So what did you see screenshots of?

Mechas, teenage characters, monsters to fight against? How does that make it a ripoff, replace mechas with Ultraman and you have bingo Ultraman.

Just as I thought your decision on this matter was based on what other people have said and not your own.

And may i add the same thing happened before I began seeing Gasaraki. hence my mentioning of it here

Yet you watched Gasaraki and surely you came to the conclusion it's not an Evangelion clone. Did you ever consider the same would happen to RahXephon?

Read this -> http://www.escaflowneonline.com/eva/msg.html

(although the designs, the plot and the characters in RahXephon is more obvious).

Very superficial of you Spike, I expected better from you than again you hailed Vandread to be a mecha landmark like Evangelion.

BTW, I have never heard of ArgentoSoma, let alone seen it, so I can't comment.

Than what was the point of posting in a thread asking about hows RahXephon compared to Evangelion.

http://www.animetempy.com/reviews/PQRS/rahxephon.htm

http://www.animetempy.com/reviews/ABC/argent_soma.htm

Finally, everyone is entitled to their own opinion so in spite of what you think, I happen to enjoy Gasaraki. A lot. So there.

I never said you can't like it I just said it was off topic and pointless to bring Gasaraki into this thread when already Evangelion & Rah are the topic when it's supposed to be Rah and AS.

And I gave my opinion on those titles and I didn't think much of Gasaraki so there.

But if you can't beat them join em.

Hey guys how's RahXephon compared to

Raideen
Mobile Suit Gundam
Space Runaway Ideon
Macross
Aura Battler Dunbine
Megazone 23
Zeta Gundam
Gunbuster
BrainPowerd
Betterman

[Kyrakasa]

Oh well....

If you compare Rah Xephon to anything.... ... Expect a visit from your local Westlo and 3line :liplick:

[Spike 558]

Geez, can't Westlo and myself ever agree on anything? :dodgy:
Some days, i don't know why i bother
*sounds of footsteps walking to the exit door of this forum followed by the sound of said door closing*

(btw, thanks for pointing out that essay. Good reading)

[Kyrakasa]

Since some people don't click on links I'm posting Westlo's link of sarcasm...
:p

I Might Have An Eva Clone On My Hands...

Last summer I found this interesting anime. After watching most of the series I was astounded by all the similarities it has to Evangelion...

I think I'll start with the main character. Lets call him 'Bob', although thats not what his actual name is. Bob is a Japanese teenager, just like Shinji. It is stressed early in the series that he has been seperated from his parents often, especially in recent times. In the first episode of the series Bob is in a city under attack by an enemy threat. Intense damage is dealt to the surroundings and there are many casualties. Bob ends up getting into the cockpit of a powerful robot and uses it to save everyone, just like Shinji. Unfortunately for Bob, he essentially finds himself forced into a powerful military organization, just like Shinji was essentially forced into NERV. Being just a teenager, Bob certainly isn't suited to the life of a mecha pilot. He is put under a lot of stress and often times doesn't want to pilot the mech. Sometimes he can't take it anymore and blatantly says he will never pilot the mech again. When he finds the situation that this decision puts his friends in though, he reluctantly returns to his duty. Bob is often in conflict with his superiors, especially a certain male authority figure. Sound familiar? Thats not all.

At one point in the series Bob is put over the edge. He commits treason against the organization much like Shinji did when he threatened to destroy NERV HQ. After this situation is settled, Bob is thrown in a cell, just like Shinji was. Despite that act, he is eventually brought back to good terms with everyone else. Like Shinji, Bob is unconfident in his abilities in the beginning, but slowly gets used to it and realizes he is better than he originally thought. There is a period when this puts him and trouble, and Bob becomes overconfident in his abilities. Luckily, this particular thought soon goes away. Bob has an odd relationship with his father, who happens to be the one that built the mech he pilots, just like Gendou built Unit 01, which Shinji pilots. Their relationship is so bad that his father cares more about the mecha than his own son. There is also a part in the series where Bob is removed as the pilot of the mecha and is replaced with a female pilot (just like when Shinji was replaced with Rei as the pilot of Unit 01). This doesn't work out, and things go back to normal. I'd say that pretty much makes Bob a Shinji ripoff, don't you think?

While the similarities between Bob and Shinji is the biggest thing that made me think this show was an Eva ripoff, there are other things out there as well. For example, in this show the 'good guys' base their survival on 3 mechas, just like in Evangelion. By the end of the series, all 3 of these mechas are rendered useless, just like in Evangelion where Units 00 and 02 were destroyed and Unit 01 drifted off into space. There are multitudes of scenes that just scream out "Eva ripoff!". One of the adversaries wears a mask that looks like its taken right from Keel Lorenz. Late in the series, our hero has a battle with a skull faced enemy that shoots beams out of its mouth. Reminds you of Zeruel, doesn't it? In one scene near the end of the show our hero's mecha is dismembered and decapitated, just like what happened to Unit 02. There's another scene that seems like its taken straight out of the movie. Enemy troopers burst into the headquarters of our heroes and kill many, but their mission ultimately ends up being a failure and they are unable to take the main part of the base. Another part that I can recall being reminded of from the movie is when a suicidial blond attempts to blow up our heroes HQ by sacrificing herself. She fails however, and is killed, just like what happened to Ritsuko in the end.

Alright, I think thats enough. I've cited enough examples to prove just how similar these two animes are. I think its time I reveal just what this anime I've been talking about is.

Mobile Suit Gundam

Yes, that Mobile Suit Gundam. The most famous mecha anime of all time. The Mobile Suit Gundam that just happened to have come out 16 years before Evangelion. I hope this little exercise has shown just how meaningless this 'Evangelion ripoff' discussion is. For a show can hardly be ripped off it isn't original, correct?

-Sheamon
May 28, 2002

:liplick: :liplick: :liplick: :liplick::liplick:

That was yummy... Especially yummy since the reason I like Evangelion and RahXephon has nothing to do with the physical aspects of the anime...

I'll give you a taste of the Eva/Rah Concurrency that I'm working on...

Rah Xephon takes ideas that Eva has and mixes them... The deeper psychological concepts are taken from the main characters of Evangelion and spread out into a dozen Rah Xephon characters... Making it harder for people like Westlo and 3line to see the similarities...

Also the part I won't get into is that Rah Xephon takes Ideas that Evangelion starts and continues them further.... That is why I call Rah a sequel... I won't go into that this time...

I'll do this since even though Westlo and 3line can be rude... They help me focus my thoughts better... :liplick:

You must look deep into my eye... umm I mean rei's.... rei.... I mean reika's Eye...

http://www.boomspeed.com/kyrakasa/rah_reikarei_eye1.jpg

Look at the reason... Evangelion and Rah Xephon is so popular today...

Is it because there is a boy who has to pilot a mecha?

Is it because there is some suicidal women who blows themselvs up??

It has nothing to do with the reason gundam is successful... being a simple robot anime... I hope you agree that Eva really was a very bad giant robot anime.... The only part that even could be liked is the Asuka vs. 9 MP eva scene...

The reason Eva and Rah is so popular is the deeper correlations that you don't see by the first glance...

Eva and Rah goes into the reasons behind everything... The fleshing out of the characters and why they have become the people they are now...

http://www.boomspeed.com/kyrakasa/rah_kimasuaka_door.jpg

Asuka suffers tragically... a non-physical wound that she carries with her since she was very little... She grows older and still carries that wound with her.... The angels killed her parents...

Asuko retaliated and grew quickly.... Becoming resolute to do anything to revenge the death of her parents...

http://www.boomspeed.com/kyrakasa/rah_kimasuka_grown.jpg

MAsuko bears her pain into her adulthood... She joins Terra an organizations who's main purpose is not for rescue but for destroying angels...


Misuto then Relys on Shinji and others to destroy the angels and revenge her father's death... She can only stand on the sideline and watch...

This is all explained and we now know why Misato grew up and joined nerv.


This is as far as I'll go for now... I won't spoil anything since this is only a small part of what my comparisons go into... It focuses on the sequel part of Rah Xephon more and not on the direct similarities...

I love Rah Xephon.... Anno wouldn't take Eva further... but Rah did... :liplick:

[Spike 558]

*opens door to the forum and sticks head through long enough just to say:*

Well said Kyrakasa :thumbup:

[Westlo]

Grabs spikes head before he pulls it back in his shell

Spike read

http://animeboards.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=537714030#post537714030

[Spike 558]

Okay, okay you've made your point.

But in any case, and I say this as a budding author/fanfic writer, in order to make a great story one has to learn from the best and to go somewhere else with it.

Finally, people say they like Rahxephon because it takes the concept coined in Evangelion further.
I say I like Gasaraki for the same reasons (somewhat).

But in any case, i would REALLY have to see more RahXephon before I make any more posts in this forum :dodgy:

Oh and just as footnote, I recently posted this poll on the message board of my local anime society (including results at the time of writing):

Pick one:
Evangelion (3)
Rhaxephon (4)
Gasaraki (1) (Guess who? ;) )

And may i add how funny it is when Gasaraki has replicted Eva's confused teenaged protagonists, military conspiracy and engaging action AS WELL AS the hate-it-or-love-it attitude from otaku everywhere. :lol::lol::lol:

But ultimatly perhaps it is time to move on....

[Newtype05]

Argentosoma is terrible, it does have many similar elements with RahXephon but not as similar as RahXephon is with Eva. Argentosoma is just silly, with each episode the story goes dumber, and you just don't care for it after a while, especially after the main character's cosmetic transformation, you realize then that there's nothing here.

RahXephon would be better served by being compared to Eva, where it's better in production quality than Eva, but story-wise and message-wise, Eva still gets it through far more effectively.

To me RahXephon is a combination of Eva and Macross, but an inferior product due to the lack of identity. The biggest problem with RahXephon in appealing to the audience is the lack of emotion involved when watching it, you just don't get the sense of desperation and urgency in any characters, it almost feels like a weekly exercise the way they go about their business, too much sarcasm if you'd call it that. So if the characters are not that excited, how the hell should the audience get siked about it? At least for Eva, you could see there were some serious emotional issues going on with Shinji, Asuka, and Rei, which IS the hook Eva has on the audience. It's all about character presentation, and RahXephon only has pretty faces with superficial issues that tries to get the audience hooked but fails because there's no initial signs of emotional distress that you could find from the characters. As for Eva, it was successful because Shinji, Asuka, and Rei all have been presented in such a way that when something does happen, you know why they react the way they do without any explanation. In a nutshell, the selling point of Eva ARE the characters, but for RahXephon, it's not. Live motion movies also make this mistake quite frequently, where they try to sell the movie with a fancy set design and whatnot, when it's the character's strength that is necessary to pull in the audience.

[Westlo]

So you finished watching RahXephon & ArgentoSoma or is this essay based off the first dvds of both?

[Newtype05]

What's it to you, you are the Mr. 2006 Greatest Anime Will Arive jump to the conclusion prophet standard. Dumb hypocrites are the worst...at least dumb idiots don't contradict themselves.

[Westlo]

What's it to you, you are the Mr. 2006 Greatest Anime Will Arive jump to the conclusion prophet standard

So when you watch a movie in the cinemas (assuming you leave your mums basement) and it goes the world has ended to you leap out of your seat and shout NO IT HASN'T WE ARE STILL HERE!!" :rolleyes:

at least dumb idiots don't contradict themselves.

*reads your posts*

I disagree.... and it's 05 get it right.

So i take it your great conclusions were taken after seeing all of Evangelion and only dvd 1 of ArgentoSoma & RahXephon?

[Newtype05]

Did I bruise your ego again? You really should restrain yourself from getting emotional over anime all the time. You can't really expect everybody to like RahXephon do you? Get real kid.

[Westlo]

So i take it your great conclusions were taken after seeing all of Evangelion and only dvd 1 of ArgentoSoma & RahXephon?

??????

[Newtype05]

I don't see how it's even relevant to your prophet standards. As far as I'm concerned, looking into a crystal ball should be more than sufficient to critique an anime based on your logic.

[Westlo]

*laughs*

Read that thread again and see how many ppl took it seriously.

[Newtype05]

Took what seriously? I don't follow you. And again, what's the relevance?

[Westlo]

*yawn*

You couldn't follow a yellow brick road let alone anything else

What's it to you, you are the Mr. 2006 Greatest Anime Will Arive jump to the conclusion prophet standard. Dumb hypocrites are the worst...at least dumb idiots don't contradict themselves.

I don't see how it's even relevant to your prophet standards. As far as I'm concerned, looking into a crystal ball should be more than sufficient to critique an anime based on your logic.

[Newtype05]

You are silly. Nobody takes you seriously.

[Schizm]

Are people are taking you seriously?

[Newtype05]

Other than you two goons, yeah, I'd say my threads are getting tons of replies full of insightful comments.

How come you never talk about anime?

[Schizm]

I talked about anime for years......I haven't anything else to say. I don't watch anime anymore. It's childish and boring and I don't want to be like you :D

[Newtype05]

Wow, that's worse than a loser.

[Schizm]

Yes, being like you is worse than a loser. Hence, I don't want to be like you.

[Newtype05]

I was referring to you.

Learn to read.

[Schizm]

Like personal opinions, ones interpretation of English statements can differ from another. Also, it's hard to tell what someone is implying on a message board without the assistance of tonal variation, body language and other no-verbal communicative techniques. Let's see what I saw....

I don't want to be like you
Wow, that's worse than a loser.
Yes, being like you is worse than a loser

Conclusion, Newtype05 is saying that he is worse than a loser. Well, what was your interpretation?

[Newtype05]

My interpretation is, you don't watch anime anymore, and you think it's childish and boring, yet you hang out in anime boards being a troll. From that, I could only conclude that that's basically what a loser does.

You haven't really described what it is to be like me, so I can't even form a judgement of myself from your statement at all. But that's really all pointless since you have no clue who I am.

Your posts leak of being a troll and a loser, sad to say.

Hey, if you like being a loser, be my guest, but it sure looks stupid.

[Schizm]

I continue to post here, because this is also a community, and I know alot of the people here and want to chat with them. I may not watch anime anymore, but I do live in Japan, and that's enough to continue posting.

The reason I am talking to you is because you got all argumentative and abusive after I posted a few of my opinions which were different from your. On a board such as this, people who cannot accept other peoples opinions do not last very long. Your posts have come accross as elitist and 'holier-that-thou'. Do you know all that there is to know about anime so that you can just dismiss another members views, as you have been doing in several threads? No, I don't think you do. If you asked the members who is looking more stupid right now, the majority wouldn't really care, but enough would agree with me.

So, calm down, little boy or girl. By all means, say what you want, but don't rubbish other peoples views, or you'll get yourself in trouble with the mods. And, stop responding to westlo.....He'll go away if you don't give him anything to throw back at you.

[Newtype05]

I think you are the one rubbing the wrong way. First of all, dissing anime as childish and boring might not offend some people, but some might be offended, so it's only natural to think that you are here to seek trouble. I mean, you don't care for anime, so why would you care about others who have a passion for it? I sensed your lack of courtesy as soon as you resorted to being a troll to "humor an anime fan", remember?

Abusive? please, you are insulting me by lying out of your teeth, go back and read who exactly initiated the abuse. It's your problem to take a notion that I'm being elitist, has it ever crossed your mind that I might actually know more than you? So to say someone is an elitist for knowing more than you is a fair statement? You are joking right? You just got your ego bruised and couldn't take it, that's as clear cut as I can spell it out for you.

If you are so mature why don't you preach your own medicine and stop this endless babbling, or are you a hypocrite as well?

And don't tell me what to do bitch, I don't take advice from losers.

[Schizm]

First, I said anime is childish and boring. That is my opinion. Did I say anime fans were childish and boring. No.

Second, you asked me not to make judgement. OK. I ask you the same thing, and you continue.....That's worse.

Third, you may have started with the childish name calling in response to Westlo, but no where did I start it.

Forth, as I have been saying the entire time, nothing makes you able to tell me that my personal opinion is wrong. But, you do. Which makes you seem like your a little up yourself.

That's all from me. I'll let the mods sort it out. Lucky for me, I didn't break as many rules as you.......

[Newtype05]

Like I said, you don't care for anime, so why the people who like it? I don't see your reasoning.

Again, if you had any brains, you wouldn't insult me in the first place, so I asked you not to, and you never did, so you don't get respect, very simple concept.

Yes you did, otherwise I wouldn't be here.

It wasn't even your opinion that Spike is anti-hero, so I never dissed your opinion.

You broke just as much rules, jackass.

[Schizm]

I may not like anime, but that doesn't mean I disregard someone elses opinion.

You started the 'slanging match'. You asked me to stop. I did. I asked you to stop. You refused. And, here we are.........

You 'dissed' every opinion that was contary to yours, not just mine.

And, you are continuing to call me Jackass.

You obviously don't want to end this....Maybe you are taking advantage to build up you post count. Who knows.

[Newtype05]

So, in your definition, my opinion is disregarding yours, and your opinion isn't? Give me a break. Your first reply to the Chobits thread is as sarcastic and condescending as one can be. You are fussing over something that doesn't even make sense, just biased.

Go read the Chobits thread, you'll clearly see that you referred me as "idiot". That's your first punch, fool.

I may not have agreed with some other opinions, but I have never resorted to Westlo's insult tactics. That's hardly "dissing".

What goes around comes around bucko.

Hey, you are the freak who dragged me into this nonsense (HAZING REMEMBER?), I even asked you why you don't talk about anime.

[Westlo]

Newtype noone here respects you and you haven't bruised anyone's egos, the only person getting emotional and having their ego bruised is you. Every thread you have made thats opiniated has failed like Robotech Sentienels

The Japan thread
the gundam seed one
the chobits was better than bebop
your revival of this thread

Your getting panned left right and center, your the waterworld of these forums. Rei Ayanami, Macross & Chobits sucks and I hope their animators drown when Japan sinks along with you )8

[Newtype05]

It's so childish how you see things Westlo. I'm not here to seek popularity like you. I really don't care whether my threads are getting replies, but it sure was successful as I have managed to rile you dopes into submission no matter how accidental it may have been. Come on, who are you trying to fool, I didn't ask you to go nuts in my thread, you did it to yourself, admit your own defeat fanboy. And please, stop embarrassing yourself, any sane person who posts on the boards don't give a crap about respect. If you actually invest your pride in such tedious activity, that's just sad dude, you should get out more. Anyhow, I will enjoy more anime talk with the rest while you two goons keep posting poop banter about how great you are at annoying other people who know more than you. So if I don't reply to you as frequently, don't go crying to your mama ok? Ciao.

[Westlo]

I really don't care whether my threads are getting replies

Weren't you just bragging about how successful your threads have been?

And please, stop embarrassing yourself, any sane person who posts on the boards don't give a crap about respect.

Ah that explains why you were going on about respect

I didn't ask you to go nuts in my thread, you did it to yourself

When did I post three times in a row in the space of 8 minutes?

So if I don't reply to you as frequently, don't go crying to your mama ok? Ciao.

Aww.... I was hoping to get three replies in a row in the space of 8 minutes like Schizm did :(

[Pengi_Ken-Ohki]

Ok.
Im nearly all the way through DVD 2. I paused, hit alt-tab and came to AB to discuss parallels between Eva and RX.
I own the Argento Soma boxset, and NGE boxset, and for neither did I feel that comparisons could be accurately made.

NGE deals with an angsty teenager coming to terms with life and responsibility.
Argento Soma deals with a deeply hurt man who wavers between becoming something evil, or learning forgiveness. Ok, I could probably make each description way more accurate, however at face value those 2 are good enough. Argento Soma was NOT like Eva at all. The only similarity was that there was unknown enemies attacking for unknown reasons, all trying to reach a single goal, always coming alone, each having different powers, and a lot of conpiracys flying around.

That is NOT that big of a similarity. The idea of an unknown enemy is used in a lot of places because its the best way to ask a person WHY they're fighting. If you 'know' who you enemy is, usually you know WHY you're fighting (e.g. due to propoganda). If you make a movie about fighting NAZIs for instance, the character doesnt need to question. You can just say 'jews' and that does it. But if they're not anything definable, then you have to decide why you're fighting. For 1 example, look at that anime.. Hoshi no Koe..something. About a girl and her cell phone. The amateur produced anime. Once again, the character had to question the why's of existence because no explanation was provided for fighting. Without propoganda, its hard to convince a person that killing is the ONLY option.

Now, let me address why I feel that RX is ridiculously similar to Eva. I'll try to keep the miniscule number of spoilers to myself.

1. Teenage angsty boy thrown into conflict unexpectedly and against his will.
2. Teenage boy isnt random. His parent worked on, and had plans for, him to be a pilot at some stage. (this isnt a spoiler, its dvd1 stuff)
3. Weapons use very abstract fighting method. Each method is different. Always 1v1 mecha combat. Regular weaponry is worthless.
4. Organisation which is not well loved, but is the only hope for humanity. Organisation has its own special isolated base. Already in DVD2 its clear the rest of humanity looks to move in and bring it under the united forces. Much like in Eva where NERV isnt liked and other methods were attempted at development.
5. Boy can only seemingly combat when he's pretty much berserker, or the female (Mishima) takes over when he passes out. Just like Yui/Shinji.
6. Angry girl is practically partnered with him ala Asuka/Shinji..she even lives with him.
7. Girl who is assumed to be one of these enemy alien things, is quiet and 'knows all' as well as has connection to Shinji. I got very strong Rei vibes from her.
8. 2 old friends, who get drunk regularly, have command-control issues etc act as his guardians. Like Misato/Ritsuko.
9. The number of times he says "I wont pilot that damned thing again.."
10. The desire to return to the past or run away is brought up a fair bit.
11. It is hinted that SCIENTISTS were the cause.
12. 1 in 4 people in the world died. 14 years ago. As a result of 11.
13. See 12 ffs!
14. See 12 ffs! 14 years ago!@!??? CMON! They'r enot even TRYING to hide the clone-ness.

There is other stuff but its all leaving my brain. Im actually surprised at how viciously RX fans in this forum are lashing out at Argento Soma and NGE. No wait, no Im not. Obviously they like this anime a lot and just cannot bear to think that it could've been made in such a fashion. Look guys, Im gonna let you in on a secret. But dont tell anyone ok? Ive only told a select few people over a number of messageboards, so its still an unknown fact:

You can like more than 1 thing. You dont need top 10 lists. You dont have to hate NGE to like RX. You dont have to hate certain movies/shows because you like other ones (e.g. Star Trek/Star wars nerds get into that heaps). Hell, it even extends to RPG games. Where people 'hate' classes/characters they dont play with, because that will somehow depreciate their own favourites.

NGE was a great anime. Argento Soma was a great anime. If RX blows me away or entertains me, I'll also say its a great anime. But as it stands, I will compare RX & NGE because never have I seen such a blatantly similar PLOT & STORY & CHARACTER setup. And Ive seen 'Duel', 'Nadesico', 'Evangelion', 'Argento Soma'.

[Westlo]

Talking like you know everything yet you have only seen upto dvd 2 why wouldn anyone wate their time arguing with you? If you feel your right and this rant isn't the online equivilent off getting your rocks off. Why post it in a forum that is all but dead? Why not take your opinion to Animeondvd or Animenations forums where people will answer you.

but i'll bite since i'm in queue for Battlegrounds

1. Teenage angsty boy thrown into conflict unexpectedly and against his will.

Oh god why not add it uses the colour red, they speak japanese and are drawings.

2. Teenage boy isnt random. His parent worked on, and had plans for, him to be a pilot at some stage. (this isnt a spoiler, its dvd1 stuff)

You mean like how Amuro's dad worked on the gundam for a little known anime called Mobile Suit Gundam? At least he wasn't the archtype for Shinji Ikari oh wait a sec....

3. Weapons use very abstract fighting method. Each method is different. Always 1v1 mecha combat. Regular weaponry is worthless.

No it's not always one on one (surely you knew that since you know everything about it?) and the weapons and use is completely different. Being able to summon/form any weapon you want wasn't in Eva........

5. Boy can only seemingly combat when he's pretty much berserker, or the female (Mishima) takes over when he passes out. Just like Yui/Shinji.

I take it the episode where he defeated the dolem in 10 seconds flat (at the start) wasn't including on dvd 2.....

6. Angry girl is practically partnered with him ala Asuka/Shinji..she even lives with him.

My friends an angry girl.... should i tell her she's a ripoff of Asuka?

7. Girl who is assumed to be one of these enemy alien things, is quiet and 'knows all' as well as has connection to Shinji. I got very strong Rei vibes from her.

No she is one of those alien things but surely I'm not spoiling anything for you since you know everything about it.

8. 2 old friends, who get drunk regularly, have command-control issues etc act as his guardians. Like Misato/Ritsuko.

Hahaha elvy act as his guardian ahahaaa

9. The number of times he says "I wont pilot that damned thing again.."

*looks at Shinjis great granfather Amuro Rei*

10. The desire to return to the past or run away is brought up a fair bit.

If only you knew his past

11. It is hinted that SCIENTISTS were the cause.

Well I don't know any scientists in Evangelion who lived for millions of years but yeah your right

12. 1 in 4 people in the world died. 14 years ago. As a result of 11.
13. See 12 ffs!
14. See 12 ffs! 14 years ago!@!??? CMON! They'r enot even TRYING to hide the clone-ness.

weak it's like all the eva fans going on about the year Rah was set in as being a basis for it being a ripoff, bow they looked stupid when Rah flashed forward some years...

Anyway theres some fansubs of Ideon on the net now why don't you watch that and see another anime that inspired Evangelion.....

And no Rah fan with common sense would deny Evangelion inspired it, but just like Eva fanboys declaring Eva is the best anime ever they speak BS when they say Eva was the main inspiration for Rah.

Like animes like Mazinger Z, Mobile Suit Gundam & macross were never around. Those 3 mecha animes have inspired more mecha shows than Evangelion will ever. And let's forget Megazone 23, Radieen (somehow the main mech being based on Raideen means less than saying Welcome Home), Ideon etc.

[Pengi_Ken-Ohki]

Westlo, dont be a jerk. We both know you can play the sarcasm game, but the fact of the matter is Ive watched a lot, and I mean a LOT of anime in the last 7 years.
Including spinoffs of Eva, Ive never seen an anime that I felt was so blatantly similar. I cannot say in full confidence that the INTENT was to copy Eva, but just look at it fer cryin out loud. It REEKS of Evangelion. Its the reason you have to be so rude.

And btw, 2 DVDs is quite enough content to form an opinion. This anime may end entirely different to Eva, but the fact of the matter is that even the character development seems to go the same path. I dont claim that Evangelion is original. In fact, when trying to describe it I say its a piece of every other anime out there. RahXephon seems to have done exactly the same thing in places.

Good luck in battlegrounds. I only have fun in there with my guild. Random groups are just painful to be with.

[Westlo]

What server are you on?

And yeah pickup groups suck, the last one i was in had 5 pallys and no priest or druid... i nearly quit on the spot

[Zalbag Beoulve]

You guys are really intense about this stuff. Doesn't anyone here talk with a cool head without the intent finding who is right or wrong. It is all a matter of perspective and therefore any one opinion might seem bias because it is done by a human being. I don't think drama in every aspect of life (even in an anime forum?) is to healthy for an existence already with a ---- load of problems. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, so let them talk. It you disagree thats that. It is just something different that you know more of. Being closed minded isn't really fun anyway :D. Of course you can find similarities in a lot of stuff or else we can't relate to it.

So what is this Argento Soma?
I personally like both Rahxepohn and NGE. Even though I do prefer to like the happier and less depressing stuff more. :D

[Shinobe333]

Passion is a wonderful thing, when directed appropriately. I'm passionate, too, about RahXephon & MANY other GREAT anime flicks + lots more in life. Believe me, drama WILL come to you, you don't have to create it.

No, Zalbag, you asked about "Argento Soma." It is awesome! Very sad, and really deep but not as long as RahXephone. Deals a LOT with anger, forgiveness (or really the lack thereof) and what happens when as one becomes consumed with anger that turns to hatred. Really cool show.
--Shin

[Zalbag Beoulve]

Hmm interesting.. not as long as Rahxephon huh.... Can someone give me a quick synopsis of it?

[Shinobe333]

Ok, let's see:
1. Argento Soma - Name change because he choses to cease being human & come a "Bad Fairy".

2. Boy consumed w/ Hatred and takes his frustrations out on the "object" of his hatred which wounded him beyond his ability to cope.

3. Boy learns through the simple compassion & love of a young girl how to care again.

4. The Whole shows back drop is about aliens coming to earth & attempting to reach a certain area but "no one" knows why. The Aliens keep becoming stronger & stronger & Argento Soma & team keep having to find new ways to defeat them. One of the ways is to use Argento's arch-fiend (his object of hatred) to defeat these creatures & believe me Argento looks for ways to kill this arch-fiend. Argento's team is a futuristic group of Mech warrior's who's armored suits are a special "breed" of metal. And I do mean breed.

5. Deeper meanings: a) what do we do w/ hatred? turn it inward, let it rule us? face it? ignore it? b) What do we do w/ nice people when we're really ANGRY & don't want to heart "nice words!" c) Are people meer tools in our path to success? d) Is success @ any cost worth it? Especially @ the cost of the love of a wife & children? You'll have to watch it to understand that one! e) Oh yeah! How do we deal with loss & death? Especially when it's totally out of our control & takes from us the ones we really love.

Hope this helped.

--Shin

[Zalbag Beoulve]

Thanks I think I will look more into the series -_-

[Pengi_Ken-Ohki]

Ok, 1 DVD to go in the series.

My "This is Evangelion" feelings remain. Actually, Ive decided that I dislike every single RX fan out there who says "RX is better than NGE". Ive decided these people are tools, who are only saying what they say because they wanna be alternative. RX is the underdog, its not mainstream like Eva.

RX is about as deep and interesting as a baby wading pool. Its ok, but to compare it favourably against Eva is just offensive. Half of the anime is romance drama. Fine if you're a Megatokyo nerd, but for those of us who like a bit of meat with our bread, its got nothing.

Its like a harem version of NGE. Where you replace badass sonic blades with ------- singing, and emotionally intense character interactions with stupid "zomg I luv him!11!!" crap. Its all about the love triangles. Sure, Eva had male/female stuff, but it was part of a bigger picture. A picture about perception, ego, relationships.

Sure, it has the stereotypical characters. The mysterious journalist and whatnot. But there's no depth. No interesting and plausible conspiracy. The second you see that pilot hold onto the handkerchief, you KNOW he's dead. He may as well have put on a red shirt and said "beam me down scotty". So seeing 2 women crying, 0 impact. He was fated to die, how can you pity that?

As ive said before. I been watching anime since I was 14. I cannot even begin to guess at how much Ive seen, but its a very long list. Ive seen similaritys, and Ive seen false claims of similaritys a plenty. But Rah Xephon has some disturbing trends, and unfortunately for it , it was made years after NGE.

[Schizm]

Ive seen similaritys, and Ive seen false claims of similaritys a plenty.

Similaritys? Is that a new series or something?

[Pengi_Ken-Ohki]

Nah, I was just running out of effort. Started on an empty tank. Wanted to just come in and say "HAHA, RX is a clone. Suckit n00bs!" but thought that maybe if I tried making it convincing itd stir em even more. Regretted it halfway through. Thinking on RX just makes my brain hurt. Its like trying to see a deep underlying meaning behind "American Idol". Id believe Hideaki Anno is crazy enough to release a "meaningful" anime, whereas whoever made RX was probably a little more business-smart. Why think when you can just mimic?

[Westlo]

But Rah Xephon has some disturbing trends, and unfortunately for it , it was made years after NGE

Eva is as original as Rahxephon, I'm not even going to bother arguing the fact but if the originality of something determines how good something is for you than boy ignorance equals bliss.

Id believe Hideaki Anno is crazy enough to release a "meaningful" anime, whereas whoever made RX was probably a little more business-smart. Why think when you can just mimic?

Is that why anno reused character archtypes from his own gunbuster as well Tomino's Ideon and MSG?

[Westlo]

but i'll bite since i'm in queue for Battlegrounds

Oh god one year later and I'm still in a bg queue

[Pengi_Ken-Ohki]

Eva is as original as Rahxephon, I'm not even going to bother arguing the fact but if the originality of something determines how good something is for you than boy ignorance equals bliss.



Is that why anno reused character archtypes from his own gunbuster as well Tomino's Ideon and MSG?


Oops, did I say NGE was original? Actually one of the 'bonus' points to NGE is how it serves as a perfect diving board anime. NGE isnt just great because it said that people should accept pain and learn to live seeking happiness. Its great because it was:

An action anime
A conspiracy drama
a romance drama
a harem-ish anime (sure, only Rei and Asuka but yeh)
A mecha anime
A slapstick anime (First 5 episodes)
An apocalypse anime
A high school hero anime

Whereas Rah Xephon starts with one style, and the trend continues. Its really like any other anime in that respect. For instance, Argento Soma and Nadesico are two other similar anime which stick to a standard style throughout.
Actually I dont really get the whole Nadesico/NGE comparisons. If anything, I always thought Nadesico was a robotech clone. It has the ship, the unwilling pilot, the destiny, the disconnect and later rejection of earth etc.

[Westlo]

You think Nadesico is a Macross clone when it's a clear parody of mecha animes before it, you would think the very obvious Super Robot shorts would tip that off to almost everyone.

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An action anime
A conspiracy drama
a romance drama
a harem-ish anime (sure, only Minmay and Hayate but yeh)
A mecha anime
An apocalypse anime

Yeah Macross is damn good isn't it.

[Pengi_Ken-Ohki]

Dude, no. There is *no* ------- comparison to be made between NGE and Macross on that level. I'm not one of the guys screeching that NGE is original. In fact, one of its key high points is that it borrows from so many anime that it is an excellent introductory anime.

As to Nadesico, I was only commenting on people who compare Nadesico to NGE. Im not sure if you're aware of this, but I saw it marketed as an Evangelion parody back in my youth.

It was quite clear to me that Nadesico was a spoof of various anime, Ruri Ruri is definately proof of that (ok, and explanation lady). I only mention Macross because it felt similar. Sure, there have been prior anime with spaceships that launch Mecha. But the issues that faced Macross appear to be the same that faced Nadesico. Problems of "what is right for the greater good", and "how do civilians operate in a military world?".


Could you frikkin RX crybabies just get over the fact that RahXephon is about as different from NGE as Burger King is from McDonald's? NGE came first, you lose. End of game. The similarities between the 2 series are just so mind blowingly common that its hard to take RX seriously.

This isnt like comparing Fruits Basket to Ranma. Or Gundam to Macross. Or even Digimon to Pokemon. Wayyyy too many similarities.

[Westlo]

Dude, no. There is *no* ------- comparison to be made between NGE and Macross on that level. I'm not one of the guys screeching that NGE is original. In fact, one of its key high points is that it borrows from so many anime that it is an excellent introductory anime.

As to Nadesico, I was only commenting on people who compare Nadesico to NGE. Im not sure if you're aware of this, but I saw it marketed as an Evangelion parody back in my youth.

It was quite clear to me that Nadesico was a spoof of various anime, Ruri Ruri is definately proof of that (ok, and explanation lady). I only mention Macross because it felt similar. Sure, there have been prior anime with spaceships that launch Mecha. But the issues that faced Macross appear to be the same that faced Nadesico. Problems of "what is right for the greater good", and "how do civilians operate in a military world?".


Could you frikkin RX crybabies just get over the fact that RahXephon is about as different from NGE as Burger King is from McDonald's? NGE came first, you lose. End of game. The similarities between the 2 series are just so mind blowingly common that its hard to take RX seriously.

This isnt like comparing Fruits Basket to Ranma. Or Gundam to Macross. Or even Digimon to Pokemon. Wayyyy too many similarities.

You still play wow? Done aq 20? In general rajaxx words

You're not worth my time.

[Pengi_Ken-Ohki]

..just saw the ending.

Boy gets sucked into Mecha and becomes 1 with it. Girl talks him through the metaphysical world. His friends appear before him reminding him of what its like to live and love. For love, the boy rejects the ultimate plan and recreates the world. All the while, externally, you have these giant winged mecha fighting some holy battle. A battle predicted and orchestrated by a secret council since ancient times.


My god. The ONLY reason anyone would defend this show, is to play devil's advocate. This isnt viewers twisting words. This is actually plot development and visual style making people see the similarity.

Not worth your time? Damned right. If you have the time to try and say that RX has any existence other than to capitalise on NGE success, then you have too much time.

[Merlion Emrys]

Eh. There are a LOT of similarities, and yea chances are some of the similarities were intentional on the part of the makers of RahXephon

However, they are not 100% percent identical, especially in terms of feel, and even if "copying" or whatever you wish to call it went on, it doesnt invalidate RahXephon.

Anime is a genre/group with a LOT of "copying" going on. Many anime are very similiar things from different aproaches. But there all still good and have something to offer.


For instance, I love and own both Eva and RahXephon

[Westlo]

..just saw the ending.

Boy gets sucked into Mecha and becomes 1 with it. Girl talks him through the metaphysical world. His friends appear before him reminding him of what its like to live and love. For love, the boy rejects the ultimate plan and recreates the world. All the while, externally, you have these giant winged mecha fighting some holy battle. A battle predicted and orchestrated by a secret council since ancient times.


My god. The ONLY reason anyone would defend this show, is to play devil's advocate. This isnt viewers twisting words. This is actually plot development and visual style making people see the similarity.

Not worth your time? Damned right. If you have the time to try and say that RX has any existence other than to capitalise on NGE success, then you have too much time.

Here's an example of someone's feeling of nostalgia overwhelming reason.

You know actaully you're right Pengi even thogh you're coming off as a delusional fanboy.

RahXephon did ripoff Evangelion and now I see the error of my ways. RahXephon copied Evangelion in ripping off 70 and 80 mecha shows but since Eva was the first recent show to ripoff the older ones it's original.

Teach us more master oh btw...

My "This is Evangelion" feelings remain. Actually, Ive decided that I dislike every single RX fan out there who says "RX is better than NGE". Ive decided these people are tools, who are only saying what they say because they wanna be alternative. RX is the underdog, its not mainstream like Eva.

So 50 Cent is the best rapper because he's mainstream?

[Westlo]

Here's a nice pic of Asuka I found on the net.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7044/1zzfq2.jpg

Oh wait it's not asuka LAWL, eva's such a ripoff.

[Kyouta]

havent seen too many anime shows.

but Rahxephon was a real good anime.
i dont know what to compare it to.

but its an example of the 8 wonders of the world. just playin.

[Pengi_Ken-Ohki]

A passionate red head is hardly a new idea. Humans view women with red hair as being firey.

Rah Xephon went beyond merely building on prior works. It completely copied and replaced the thing. This isn't a buddy fest between Macross, Tranformers and Gundam. This is just utterly the same. I have seen many anime, often copies of one another, never has been been so pronounced as in this anime. Naruto and DBZ are like Ghost in the Shell and Comic Party compared to RX and NGE. Too much similarity.

NGE wasn't hugely original. I will grant you that. In fact, its why I think it was such a great gateway anime. Viewers got a bit of harem, bit of mecha, bit of thriller/drama etc. Pieces of influence can be found everywhere. Not in a single source though.

There is no anime out there pre-NGE that is similar enough to NGE that you could say NGE mimics it as closely as RX mimics NGE.

[Westlo]

Oh god why bother, it has nothing to do with the color of their hair it's the ------- same character archtype.