BlahXephon

[heart havok]

definitely worth the view, but i was hardly moved until the VERY end. [i mean the very last two scenes, with the future and then the past.]

first of all, kudos to Studio BONES on the amazing animation. if that's not enough reason to give this series a chance, i don't know what is... 'cause they have by far some of the best animators in the business. eitherway... the story started out rather awesome. sure, there were a few familiar battle scenes, but asside from that, the series has some very well rounded characters. that was probably the third best quality of this series [the first being the ending, second being the animation]... as the characters are VERY human and VERY believable in my opinion. i really loved some of the characters. they were great. though i must say, i sometimes wanted more of all the supporting roles.

the subject of this thread is definitely misdirecting.. because truly, overall, i did enjoy RahXephon. however, near the end, it just became silly. my suspension of disbeleif was no more, and i found myself trying to hold back a smirk or a chuckle. they tried too hard on what should have been a "climax"... which unfortunately found itself non-existent.

but none the less, the ending blew me away.

my theory: the story of RahXephon is simply a romantic and completely fabricated story of the girl in the painting inspired by his wife he met in highschool... kinda' like a makebelieve story of how he fell inlove with her. i don't care if it's true or not. there's enough evidence to suggest it, so that's what i enjoy believing. it makes the series more interesting to me that way.

[Kyrakasa]

!@$#@SPOILERS@#$#@







Your theory sounds like fanfiction...

:liplick:




Mind if I join?


Then Ayato saw Evangelion... and being such an anime crazed Manga artist....

He decided that it was time to make up a romantic fabricated story about A boy named Shinji...

Shinji had to decide chose what to believe...

What was more real? Was it the life that the Selee foundation created of Tokyo Jupiter...

Was the life his mom gave him... the life that Selee had planned.

but apparently not...

He could not abandon Humanity and become one with RahXephon...

He broke free of the Mayan dead sea scrolls...

He rejected Quon and chose Asuka.... He left Ishitori....

With his hand he let go of Ishitori...


He decided that life was more precious and chose the real world...

A world he could live in with his love Asuka....


And that's just the beginning......






P.s. I love rah xephon.... It's a great anime... :liplick:

[3line]

Havok, that is certainly an interesting way to look at it. I mean we've all seen those "it was all a dream" story setups, right? Seems to be used a lot nowadays.

As for the second poster, Xephon was a one-time-use vehicle. Once it served its purpose of "retuning" the world, it ceased to exist. Ayato did not have to reject it or break free of anything. In fact, embracing Xephon and asserting his individuality was what he did and what Barbem wanted to see.

Mayan Dead Sea Scrolls....pfwah! :lol: The spoiler warning was completely unnecessary.

[[EVA 0-0]Rei Ayanami]

I *just* finished watchin this series myself. I too am very impressed by the series.

I have to agree with havok that the ending is very well done. In fact it could of so easily gone astray but with a few final scenes, it rounds off the series nicely, and leaves the fan more or less content. Especially with the news that a movie is already in production ;) - I wonder what that will be based on :)

I couldnt help but make comparisons with Eva throughout the series, but nevertheless RahXephon stands out enough to be regarded as a awesome anime without being branded a blatent eva rip off, which i might add, it is :p

[Kyrakasa]

Anything inspired by Evangelion isn't a rip-off...

I think it's wonderful...

:liplick:

[death]

No dead sea scrolls here....

Big flashy robots
nice animation
pritty storyline
Lovely series.
Nice end.

What more can you ask?

[Westlo]

Originally posted by Kyrakasa
Anything inspired by Evangelion isn't a rip-off...

I think it's wonderful...

:liplick:

Studio Bones is made up of ex Studio Sunrise members.

Studio Sunrise made numerous series that inspired Evangelion.

Really nothing more needs to be said.

[3line]

Originally posted by Westlo
Studio Bones is made up of ex Studio Sunrise members.
Studio Sunrise made numerous series that inspired Evangelion.
Really nothing more needs to be said.

Anyone who is convinced that RahXephon is an EVA ripoff just hasn't seen enough mecha. Really, watching old mecha series, it seems that everyone producing mecha anime rips off everyone else.

But really, most of the ripped-off elements are merely superficial and rather inconsequential.

[heart havok]

with definitely with 3line on this..

sure, there were familiar battles. but those are "merely superfiacial and rather inconsequential"... and don't anyone say the psychological battle with Ayato and Xephon during the climax was an Eva rip-off, because it's nothing as deep as Hideaki Anno's vision of the Human Instrumentality Project.

as for my personal theory... i wouldn't be too quick to judge, Kyrakasa. it's far more intriguing than the cliché and far over appreciated theories of mass viewers.

a dream? that's for the people who know it wasn't literal, but aren't willing to think beyond reality. your favourite film is the Matrix.

literal? that's for those who expect to be spoon fed story, narrative, obstacles, goals, explainations, and closure. your favourite movie is ------- BLOCKBUSTER HOLLYWOOD CRAP =)

as for those who are willing to push the envelope and either analyse and come up with your own bizarre theory or go with the gut feeling that hits you once the ending comes to pass: your favourite film is beyond common comprehension by most human beings... and most likely considered "stupid, meaningless, or weird" because the mass population doesn't comprehend such complexities.





none the less, one relates as their mind is capable to perceives. if my theory reads like "fanfiction" to you, then that's your mind's problem for seeing merely simplicities in it. on the other hand, i find some very deep and interesting concepts in that theory, which makes the series far more interesting than if i were to decide to believe everything else i've heard about it. none the less, it shouldn't matter what my theory is.. what should matter, is that despite the overdramatic and senseless melodrama and despite the "i'm going to sit here and do nothing while i watch my friends die" in the climax... the ending [which entirely inspired and supports my theory] along with my theory helped me to appreciate the series and look passed its faults.

[[EVA 0-0]Rei Ayanami]

Have any of you read the interview with the director ( i forget is name ^^) in Feb's Newtype?

Its all in there really, and I know RahXephon is not a "rip off," and what does it matter if it is anyways. Its still one of the best mecha animes Ive ever seen, if not one of the best animes Ive seen, seeing as mecha is my favourite genre.

One thing Id like to mention from the interview. He (being the director) mentions that the time differences were a metaphor for a sheltered world, and a world with choices. Obvious really, but I didnt spot it.

Also, the article mentions that the movie will not be 100- new footage, but an edit of the series and only 20mins of new footage :(

Just a few things I thought u guys might find interesting ;)

[Westlo]

While the movie is only having 20 minutes of brand new footage it is going to use the scenes from the rest of the series (which will be touched up) to show the side of the story from another characters perspective.

April can't come soon enough.

That feb issue of Newtype is the one with the RahXephon DVD is it not?

[Kyrakasa]

Yep... [Eva 0-0]Rei Ayanami's right... It was in February's Newtype USA...

Also... Gainax is in the ending credits... But who cares... Everyone knows that Eva had an influence....

but not everyone admits it :liplick:

p.s. The Rah Xephon Dvd is in Marches Issue not February.

[Westlo]

Originally posted by Kyrakasa
p.s. The Rah Xephon Dvd is in Marches Issue not February.

k thx for that.

Also... Gainax is in the ending credits... But who cares... Everyone knows that Eva had an influence....

but not everyone admits it :liplick:

Noone doesn't admit Evangelion had zero influence on RahXephon, but the thing is Studio Sunrise made series which had major influences on Evangelion and Studio Bones are made up of ex Studio Sunrise members.

Look at the people from RahXephon's staff:

Kazutaka Miyatake was in Macross', Yutaka Izubuchi was in Daimos, Yamato 3, Dunbine, Patlabor, Gundam(s), Hiroki Kanno was in Escaflowne, Yoshinori Sayama was in Patlabor, Macross Plus, Gundam(s)...

Read: Macross, Patlabor, Gundam, Yamato.

In case you did not know the three favourite animes of Anno (at the time I read the article) are Mobile Suit Gundam, Sapce Runaway Ideon and Yamato.

Does Evangelion have an influence on RahXephon? Yes it does.

Does Mobile Suit Gundam, Space Runaway Ideon, Megazone 23, Aura battler Dunbine have an influence on Evangelion?

Yes they do and that applies to RahXephon as well.

Read this link - http://www.escaflowneonline.com/eva/msg.html

Noone is denying the influence of Evangelion on RahXephon but we are denying that it is a ripoff/sequel to Evangelion like you stated in the Evangelion forum.

Who are you trying to fool, you need more people we don't believe you.

P.S you must have alot of time on your hands to be making essays on how one anime is a sequel/ripoff to another.

[3line]

Westlo, that link was absolutely hilarious.

But I think that K. will spout these scatterbrained bullshit theories until the end of time.

[death]

Yes but so true...

Also stands for most giant robot mecha anime as well....

Funny thing that.

[Kyrakasa]

Westlo...

I never called it a ripoff....

Lol... :lol:

Thanx for putting words into my mouth...

Aren't you fiesty? :liplick:


p.s.

The reason I'm writing the Eva / Rah Xephon Similarities is simply because You (Westlo) and 3line have basically called my ideas crap and me a moron...

ignore this crap you just read from the threadstarter. -Westlo-

Guess who started the thread? Lol... Kyrakasa did...

Stop acting like a moron. -Westlo-

You expect me to take that abuse and walk away?




I'm up to episode 11 of Rah's comparison and It will be based on All the characters.... And most surprisingly Mostly about Asuka and Misato... Which I believe dominate the scenes...

It will be based on the Artwork... The style of presentation and psychological aspects of Eva...

Your excuses of Gundam is totally irrelevant to my essay.... It never focuses on that....

From the beginning of my comparison it tells the reader to focus on deeper thoughts...

That's why I love Evangelion...

And that's why I love Rah Xephon...

Although I now find the representatives of Rah Xephon to lack proper manners...

I will present Rah the way I see it...

And people can see the similarities themselves and compare...

You aren't the only one who's seen Rah Xephon.

:liplick:

I just love Rah Xephon





Oh and one more thing...

But I think that K. will spout these scatterbrained bullshit theories until the end of time.-3line-


p.s. I've just warned 3line again... for Not only calling what I say crap... but simply... "bullshit?"

My goal is not to get you banned but for you to stop demeaning me...

[Pen2]

Originally posted by 3line
Westlo, that link was absolutely hilarious.

But I think that K. will spout these scatterbrained bullshit theories until the end of time.

Thank you for your terribly informative post on the subject at hand. Now play nice.

[3line]

What, so we should let K. attempt to derail threads with "Rah = Eva sequel" theories that no one wants to hear?

If K. keeps the complaining to the ridiculous thread in Eva Chit Chat that no one wants to post in anymore, that's perfectly fine with me. Demeaning? I don't see what the problem is.

I never called it a ripoff

No, you just called RahXephon a direct sequel, which I must say is much greater in magnitude than simple "borrowing." Suffering selective amnesia, aren't we? :rolleyes:

[MDWigs]

I personally think that topics discussing influences can only serve to better people's understanding of anime and its history.

If you look at the Eva Discussion forum it is full of different people's theories. I find these very interesting. It is not up to you to decide whether other people want to read them or not.

[Westlo]

Westlo...

I never called it a ripoff....

Lol...

Thanx for putting words into my mouth...

I'm sorry but stuff like this might have gave me that impression

Evangelion 2002 the Sequel: Song of Rah Xephon

My mistake, thats worst than calling it a ripoff.

Aren't you fiesty?

You ask that about probably the only post I haven't insulted you in while arguing this issue.

No not really but if you keep spamming in the RahXephon forum like saying that Spike Spencer is Ayato Kamina's VA when the thread clearly states Chris Patton is then I'll report your posts to a moderator. It's called spam keep it up and look out.

Maybe I'll be a sook like you and report you for saying this Where do these guys come from? I think you're an anti-social freak and shouldn't be allowed on these boards.

Quick edit the second line in this post (http://animeboards.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=537705364#post537705364) before it's two late :P But I'm not like you but keep this up and I'll play your game.

p.s.

The reason I'm writing the Eva / Rah Xephon Similarities is simply because You (Westlo) and 3line have basically called my ideas crap and me a moron...

So your write an essay because two people don't believe you? Hey me and my friend don't believe the world is round can you please write an essay about that?

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ignore this crap you just read from the threadstarter. -Westlo-
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Guess who started the thread? Lol... Kyrakasa did...


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You expect me to take that abuse and walk away?

Well let's see you didn't even quote the first "insult" yet you said this Where do these guys come from? I think you're an anti-social freak and shouldn't be allowed on these boards.
to me and Sheex. You do get a ban for insulting back.

And with the second "insult" well in the post you insulted yourself more than anyone else.

I'm up to episode 11 of Rah's comparison and It will be based on All the characters.... And most surprisingly Mostly about Asuka and Misato... Which I believe dominate the scenes...

Episode 11 geeez I was hoping you would be further along, and yes Asuka and Misato are such original characters.

Oh wait a sec didnt you say this I agree that Asuka isn't really in Rah Xephon... .

Your excuses of Gundam is totally irrelevant to my essay.... It never focuses on that....

From the beginning of my comparison it tells the reader to focus on deeper thoughts...

Good I don't want to hear anything about the mecha, how a teenager pilots it while a city is under attack and everything else Gundam has done.

And by deep thoughts do you mean something like this?

http://www.boomspeed.com/kyrakasa/asuka_reika.jpg

http://www.boomspeed.com/kyrakasa/mishima_langley.jpg

MDwigs points out later he notices how Mishima reminds him of Asuka. especially the yellow sun dress I think it goes beyond the sun dress since they were both introduced by the Ocean.

A character in the same color dress standing by the ocean, how deep that is. It must have went over my head. Does it symbolise the worlds end or something I'm confused :mad:

You aren't the only one who's seen Rah Xephon.

Oh really you don't think I know that, I only started the push for the RahXephon forum and kept the 400 plus post thread on RahXephon going.

I just love Rah Xephon

Aren't you a tad confused?

Descriptions may be biased as I believe Eva has a storyline that is 3 times better. Although Rah Xephon is ok

It goes from being 3 times worse than Evangelion and just ok to I love it.

Anyway it's a shame MDWigs doesn't agree with his "girlfriend"

RahXephon is similar to Eva. They are not the same though, and Rah certainly didn't "rip-off" or "clone" Eva (though I'm not suggesting anyone here is saying that it did). I think the creators of Rah obviously saw Eva, and liked Eva, and drew some inspiration from Eva, but I think they also did with Ideon, and with Gundam, and with Raideen (and they are closely associated with some of these to boot). There is even a direct connection between Gaianx and RahXephon, you can see Gainax listed in the credits of the last episode of Rah (though I still haven't discovered what capacity they worked in). Anime is an incestuous media, and Rah is similar to Eva. That is not a necessarily bad thing, nor is it an odd occurrence in the anime world. The two series are still vastly different in many respects, broadly speaking you can link them together, when you look closer however they diverge further apart.

And about 3line you just about called him into that thread, who posted the link for that thread into a thread 3line was posting in? it wasn't MDWigs, it wasn't me.....

[3line]

Originally posted by Westlo

And about 3line you just about called him into that thread, who posted the link for that thread into a thread 3line was posting in? it wasn't MDWigs, it wasn't me.....

I must say, that does have a bit to do with sparking my hostility. The thread to which I linked included my 1000+ word explanation of RahXephon's plot, which I had hoped would illustrate K.'s error in claiming Rah as an Eva sequel. Instead, in the next post, what do I get? A complete misrepresentation of facts, with sentence fragments taken out of context (apprently not skilled enough to distort full sentences), amateurishly disguised and molded as to appear to support your position.

All you have done, K., is lie, distort, and push your irrelevant ideas where they are not needed or wanted. You have not shown me otherwise.

[MDWigs]

This whole thing is just perpetuating a trend that I think will continue for years to come. That is getting caught up in non-rah discussion when we really should be analysing the intricacies of this new series. I'm guilty of it myself at times, however I think we should all try out best to keep on topic.

Pretty much everything of worth in Eva has been discussed ad nauseam, believe me, I've been doing it for almost five years now.

RahXephon is new, it is interesting, it has mysteries, and it has symbolism. It has points worthy of discussion. It seems a shame to me we don't go into these issues. We don't have to come along after all this stuff has been nutted out (and many people have done with Eva). We can be the pioneers, the people who start the first theories, develop the first real analysis. At least the first occidental people to do it.

This is an opportunity we shouldn't waste. As I said above I think that discussing influences is a good thing, that we can learn a lot from it, however I don't think we should get off track too much.

[3line]

Originally posted by MDWigs

RahXephon is new, it is interesting, it has mysteries, and it has symbolism. It has points worthy of discussion. It seems a shame to me we don't go into these issues. We don't have to come along after all this stuff has been nutted out (and many people have done with Eva). We can be the pioneers, the people who start the first theories, develop the first real analysis. At least the first occidental people to do it.


I'm already there:
http://animeboards.com/t48158/s.html

Problem is, there are few instances of real thought generating valid discussion here. If not largely ignored, meaningful threads tend to be buried under a torrent of irrelevance, much like what Eva bitching has done to this thread.


as for my personal theory... i wouldn't be too quick to judge, Kyrakasa. it's far more intriguing than the cliché and far over appreciated theories of mass viewers.

a dream? that's for the people who know it wasn't literal, but aren't willing to think beyond reality. your favourite film is the Matrix.

Don't be so hasty yourself. A story within the framework of another story is still a story. In this sense your theory is my no means incompatible with the more popular analyses, as these "popular theories" merely describe the story itself while your theory attempts to contextualize the main plot within a broader framework.

Is the Devil story in The Brothers Karamazov suddenly invalid because it's narrated by one of the characters? In many cases, the framed story is the meat of the work (Case in point: Heart of Darkness)

[Kyrakasa]

Kyrakasa is composed of 3 personalities...

Belldandy, Asuka, and Misato...

Belldandy... I always start off cheerful and happy to help...

Then when someone Insults me... I quickly move into Asuka...

Now I am in the final state of Misato... Planning ahead and evaluating what has to be done...

Arigatou~su...

All your insults have cleared things up for me...

Please go to the thread below and be sure to post only comments that 3line agrees with... Otherwise... 3line will call it complete Scatterbrain "bullshit" like he did for me...

http://animeboards.com/t48158/s.html

:liplick:

[Animeniac1]

heart havok - I totally agree with the romantic story thing.


Anyway, I agree that the ending was absolutely perfrect...even beyond that of comprehension...so much that it was creepy. And I'm not kidding about that. The ending was so good it literally scared me. It was enough for me to have a second thought on if these character's and world actuallyt exists...:) Animes' a good thing.


I wish they'd make a sequel showing Ayato's and Haruka's life after marraige... Maybe even a romantic comedy? Nah...that's kinda weird...

[death]

Wouldnt work...

To bad really.
But i cant see something like that happening and it working...