Initial D Arcade Stage 2

[daniel480]

Hey, got a question.

I was playing around on the machine at my arcade, when I noticed that the Integra DC2 seemed to be insanely cheap on turns. I read around a bit, and began to hear things about he DC2 being the new "cheap" car in the game, with superior handling, etc.

I'm not that good at the game yet, so I can't really tell if it's that big of an advantage. I've heard that the car literally owns on Irohakaza and Happo, and has a good change on all other courses except Myogi and Usui. It this true?

[orochi X]

The ITR is FF yeah? So turns and hairpins are an ease.

[ParticleEffect]

yes, it's ff and in real life it's a pretty good platform for handling.

[daniel480]

I understand that aspect. However, it still shouldn't let me beat the first guy on Akina and Happo on my first try.

I played around with an automatic DC2 w/out a card. So the car was still stock when I played it. I'm not a very good driver yet, and if you watched me play, you'd understand. Yet, I still managed to beat each that both opponants with 75-100m+ advantage.
I've tried it with the EG6 and EVO IV already, and I didn't come close to beating them.

Therefore, I'm still under speculation.

[Priss Yagami]

speed in acceleratoin and gear ratios are different for each course and car

integra type R[dc2] , has the highest speed/handling for hapogahara and irohazaka and best handlig in the wet for all courses

its like chreating usinththat car =\

I had a battle with my 86 without engine upgrade vs a 550k integra dcf2 town irohazaka........
i managed to block him until he overtook me in one corner = which me dead

it was like my car wasnt evne monving and the integra was just zoomin off like a bullet, beaten by a whole checkpoint......

[daniel480]

I got the feeling yestarday. Went and played with my DC2 on TA courses just to get a feel for them.

I have to say, the car is indeed insanely cheap. It was my first day on Happougahara and my new DC2 only had 12K points on it and after the 3rd try on Inbound, I got 2'40"XXX and 2'37"XXX on outbound.
Judging that I've never driven this course before in my life, I'd say that for the 3rd try, that was pretty darn low.

Tried Irohazaka for the first time that day as well, and I ran a 3'01"XXX for the 1st try (including the time wasted when I took the 2nd to last hairpin too early. got caught in the wall and stared going reverse).

By the end of the day, I had only spent $10.50 USD and my DC2 is now complete with it's first tune course and has around 130K points on it.

I also decided to jump the gap and went directly from Myogi to Akagi, then to Happou on the comp vs. mode. Wiped every driver out on my first try. This has never happened when I played with my FD3S and S14 in v2. As cheap as the DC2 is, I'm still going to work on it. It'll be the car I'm going to try and place records with on the last 3 courses.

[Priss Yagami]

heh the dc2's home courses are IROHAZAKA and HAPOGAHARA
it just cian sthem
and its th ebest car i nthe wet aswell :mad:
my poor turno gets owned.....but on akina :o

[MaNgA4LyF]

Bleh Dc2 Maybe cheap but my Fd3s Rx 7 owns it (not spirit r) its option C and im only into 24000 points BUT i beat a 190000 or so intergra on irohazaka =)

Feel the ownage of my 120 kph hairpins

[daniel480]

Really? How long have you been playing and what is your Iro time? And you can take Iro hairpins at 120 kmph with an FD? Are you sure? I dunno if it is possible but if it is, then you're definately really good.

Asides from that, my personal car is now the GC8V. Yeah, no tune course but I love how it runs and it's acceleration. Too bad it has that weak 5th gear.

[MaNgA4LyF]

My Fd is only 3000 pointz
but ive played initial d for about 3 months.
i kinda learn fast in arcade games and my hairpins are really really tight + i know all the jumps. and its possible but the problem is i can't do normal turns. i over steer

[daniel480]

really? I'm sure you're good, but I still find it hard to believe it is possible for an FD to take an Iro hairpin at 120kmph. The highest I know of an Integra taking a corner on Iro is around 110 and that's using the integra's insane handling too.

[MaNgA4LyF]

yeah but i can only do hair pins!
i can't steer normal turns

[daniel480]

ah, yeah. Any idea on your record for Iro and Happo? if you can take Iro hairpins at 120, you should be able to clock in a 2'30-2'40 time which is basically impossible for a 3000 pt FD.

I've been working my butt off just a few days ago with my 200K+ GC8V and I still can't get it down to 2'40', and the GC8V is supposed to be stronger on Iro than the FD is.

Try to get me your record Iro time for that FD, it'd be awesome to see how fast you are.

[MaNgA4LyF]

np, im going to play again this tuesday and il ltell u then ok?

[daniel480]

sounds good

[MaNgA4LyF]

im 28 000 points
i was averaging from
95-110 km/h hairpin

[daniel480]

well, did some TAs today after about 2 weeks of not touching Initial D v2. Made some new personal records, though compared to some other drivers, they might not be all that great. Still, I'll get there one day.

Myogi - not sure
Usui - not sure
Akagi - 2'26"xxx dh
Akina - 3'07"xxx dh
Happo - not sure. . my DC2 has a 2'22" on inbound.
Irohazaka - 2'48"xxx

All those times were with my 400K GC8V. I'm getting better slowly I suppose.

[MaNgA4LyF]

omg. my lap times for iro were
41
39
40
38

with my new rx 7 which only has 8000 points
i tryed a stock intergra

times

38
38
38
38
practically
------- BS

[daniel480]

Uh. . dude . . do you have any proof that you did those times?

'cause I really don't think you got those times unless you are the best FD driver in the world. The times you posted are exactly one second ahead of the fastest FD driver in the entire world (not to mention the guy definately has an FD with more than a million points on it).

and your Integra time is impossible too, since the fastest "tuned" Integra in the world can only lock in a 2'33". . the numbers you game are 2'32". I highly doubt that these are real times unless I get a picture or something. (no offense to you, just want proof)

[MaNgA4LyF]

well i did have people shifting for me
coz i can't shift for ---- so maybe that might count to it. i tried shifting myself today and i lost about 10 seconds -_-

[Priss Yagami]

uh *wee* back from the dead
and yes
i highly doubt that you can do that manga4lyf
like he stated. 2:32 WTF and thats with a full tune 990k
if you did around 2:40 yeah maybe
and shifting doesnt make that much of a diffference, maybe a couple of seconds if you *really* suck
i dont believe how tihs is plausible
even the first CP, worlds best is soemhting low 38's, i do low 40's with a 560k gc8v

damn id like to race ya daniel hehe
cos ive picked upa GC8v now and your times are interesting....
heh i would give you some of my *fir<M* personal bests but ive bene playing story (j just for points)
mines around 560k now
and i do about 2:46:5xx for iro( really ----, my line is _way_ off and i sparsely play it often beacuase of story now, havent ever done a TA session of more than 2 goes on it)
for akina my pb is about 3:03
akagi about 2:25(really slow)

and aswell, if you want to narrow your iro time, most hairpins can be taken in fourth except for some exceptiosn which need ot be taken in 3rd, and for the jumps, slow down to 60-70 to try and hit most of them

[daniel480]

Yes indeedy, it would be fun to race you sometime.

I dunno, where I play down in Arizona, we don't have that many exceptional people, so it makes improvement extremely difficult. In Cali or other places where there are at least a few people placing world caliber times, you can observe them while they're playing and learn. I can't do that, lol.

Yeah, I've gotten pretty crappy lately, since the most I can go to the arcade is once a week. I really need some video or someone to explain to me how they drive through a course such as Iro. I just can't figure out when to shift down or not, since the way I play currently, I shift to 3rd at nearly every hairpin.

I've since started a new Civic EG6 for fun. Planning on lowering my Happogahara times, since I actually DO have videos from which I can observe. It'll be my weapon against some of the more annoying DC2s and such, since every player except 4-5 at my arcade are crappy players who choose it simply because it's a scrub car on the last 3 stages.

[Priss Yagami]

hehe ic ic.....
all i do when i goto the arcade nwo is basicaly battle...cheaper to play and more fun, aswlel as more points

if you wanan improve on iro hmm, i suggest you just start learning which corners you just shift to 3 and which u can make in 4 heh,
i onyl learned this though, from the aid of a friend and very good gc8v player

[ParticleEffect]

someone needs to break into a damn arcade at night and jack the software of this game onto a flash drive and stick it online. damnit! it can be done, you'd probably need to open the case though, lol.

[MaNgA4LyF]

=\ i got a new mr2. Option D. Its sooooooo slow =(

[daniel480]

My friend has a TuneD MR2 and it runs fairly fast. You just need to practice with it, since the car is actually a tad challenging to get used to. He runs consistent 2'26"s on Akagi (which isn't good), but he's working it down to the 2'20" and lower range.

Ah, and Priss, I managed to get a video of Masaki running through Iro. I think I'm going to pop out my old white DC2 and try to beat my local arcade record times. We really suck down here in AZ since we don't have anyone exceptional to learn off of, but after watching that video, analyzing a few map schematics as well as reading a detailed walkthrough a few times, I think next time I go, I can start to really work on lowering my time. Got a general idea of which few corners to take in 3rd, and I understand from seeing, how late, etc. you turn the DC2.

Now all I have to do is implement what I saw, and practice like crazy.

[MaNgA4LyF]

well what option is his MR2? im having trouble against LEVINS at 75000 points and my friends levin is 2000 POINTS
and he kept up with me till the jumps.

[Blade]

how much money do u guys spend or have spent on this game?

[MaNgA4LyF]

um..... alot?

[daniel480]

I've spent more than $100 USD on this thing, and just today, I was going with my friend to do some major working on our new cars. Expect another $30-ish today.

My friend had a little difficulty beating Kai's MR2 on IRO LotS when he first started, but after a little practice, he can easily beat all of Iro comps with 100 or so m advantage at least. Happo's Touch, etc on wet are actually more difficult than Iro's racers.

He has 3 MR2s, made up of 2 G-limiteds (one D and one N tune), and 1 MRS (a tune). His two G-limiteds have around 5-600K cranked onto them.

[MaNgA4LyF]

o.O ok my mr2 is option D which i dunno wtf it is.... what does it get like anything special aside from its aero kit? i have 75k hopefull 120k this wednesday

[ParticleEffect]

w00t, i finally played it last night at an arcade about an hour away. spent 2$, hehe. won my first easy/easy race in what else but the Spirit R FD (oh yeah), then i beat a friend in a subi STi on the easy track again. all on the easiest track, i got it down pretty fast but i didn't feel like spending money on it when i had an 04 STi parked outside so i didn't even bother with a card. I mean, 1$ a play? wtf? arcades these days i tell ya. friend bought a card and a 180sx.

it was version 2.

[MaNgA4LyF]

mmmmmmm 180sx =P i reckon my mr2 can beat it ^^ im going again today YAY! More points for me. Im 'teaching' my friends how to play by beating them =P

[daniel480]

lol, it really depends on how well you drive your car, and course.

the 180sx can literally dominate on Usui.

I've been tuning up my new DC2, a project I started to practice TA in hopes of reaching 2'36"s on Iro, 2'15"s on Happo, and 2'55"s on Akina.

[MaNgA4LyF]

wahhh -_- so good =(

my mr2 is now offically ----! it got up to 100000 points. But now its like screwed. its turning is worse.

[daniel480]

Update 08312003

Today went to the arcade again and played some more. Worked on TA with my DC2 and battled a little with my GC8V.

My DC2 Irohazaka time is now 2'42"~ Kicks much booty. By the time my points slowly accumulate to 990K from it's current point of 370K, I'll have lowered my DC2 time down to 2'35-6", which is my definate goal. I don't know, but suddenly I started to get a better grasp at cornering than I did before. Going into the arcade, my time on DC2 was a crap-arse 2'48". . but I lowered it by an entire 6 seconds :: does a jig :: Not only that, I know i can do better, since on one failed run, I beat my first 2 and last CP times by a total of 2 seconds, don't know how I managed to screw up the 3rd CP and lose 2 seconds, but technically I should be able to run a 2'40" easily next time I go. 2'36" here i come!

I figured out that I've been shifting my GC8V wrong. . how sad.

[MaNgA4LyF]

Lmao nice update.
Well heres one of my own...

mr2- option d
ffs all i got was a drive change system. Im testing it out today hopefully it did SOME good to my car.

Im working up a cappucino its already got 50k unfortunately its on the jap machines. not that im complaining. Their easier to play on than the english machines. People don't hog them..
ill give you my iro times for mr2 tonite =)

[MaNgA4LyF]

=( i know its ---- to double post but i want to tell you my times

basically mr2 120000k is ---- what do i get. 9000 revs max from a 7000 rev. Its speed hasn't changed dramatically as far as i see theres no change. All i can see thats changed is at 120k it will suddenly jump to 130-135 k skipping completely the 121 125 u know that range. It was quite ok at uphills now coz of that boost. It always seem to drag along at the start before a massive boost giving him the upper hand. My times for iro best for today were

44
50
--------- roughly 3 minutes. Quite ---- and not much improvement from my mr2.
42
48


Onto my cappucino its like kansai drifto! Starting times first try i got matched my mr2 and my jap cappucino was only 50k. Now its 100k it gets the times of

42
47
------------best time for cappucino today.
43
46

I find the queerest thing about all this is that the cappucino drifts so much and is slow but somehow gets all this power from somewhere. Up hill its kinda screwd but when i tried akagi uphill it drifted the turns sif they were straights.

Anyways..... yes i do have proof of these times if u want them daniel -_-

just have to get them of my firends camera. I just wanna ask if anyone has used the cappucino?? like how different is it with its engine upgrade?

[daniel480]

haha, I believe you man, don't sweat it.

I have a Cappu and to be honest, the car blows on every course other than Akina. The car literally rocks on Akina. It's extensive oversteering and leniancy to start sliding makes it the ideal choice car for that stage. Not to mention, the thing is really small, making it a simply task to pass most cars on the course during battle.

Your MR2 should seriously be going faster on Iro than your Cappu. Maybe you just need to practice more or something, because te Cappu is honestly not the ideal car to be driving on Iro, especially Happo. Cappu on Happo wet = definate loss if you're in a battle. The car is really made only for Akina and that's about it. Asides from that, it blows on any wet course.

For the cappu, I've always felt more accustomed to it's last tune course option. I have one myself, but since I've been currently working on my TA and BCs with my DC2, I haven't gotten a chance to really put any work into the car.

[MaNgA4LyF]

In happo my god! its crazy!!! -_- I versused the last guy in happo the second time wet. I did a 180 and turned the otherway!!! -_-

i got 120k for mr2 and cappucino. Im happy using challenging cars coz its more fun rather than dc2ing.

i think cappu also rox on akagi, akagi and akina are its best tracks. I think i might move on to a more nice looking car like s2000. I only get cars that are challenges these days.

And about the iro and cappu. I find that if its not wet cappu owns on iro. I get the first hairpin at 120+
then the rest averaging 100 =S problem is the shifting. U can't shift to early or to late!

[daniel480]

the thing is, with most of my cars, I can average 90-100 on hairpins. Especially the DC2, every corner should be taken at 100kph except a select few within and near after the consecutive jumps.

The pickup after the hairpins with the car are also much faster. I find myself reaching nearly 120 before I let off the gas or tap break into every hairpin. With most cars, you only downshift to 3rd for a turn 4-5 times total in the course excluding the jumps.

The DC2 is awesome once you learn how to drive it properly on Iro. Granted that it's still awesome if you suck with it, you don't learn to truely appreciate it's real value until you learn to turn properly and strive for perfection with it. Most n00b DC2 scrub abusers really make the car look horrible. It's fun teaching the ones at my arcade a lesson when I play against their 500K + DC2s with my measily 300K one, my GC8V, and yes. . even with my 110K EG6. Afterwards, they won't battle me anymore. . hehh. . since they know that even on Iro wet, I will dust their DC2 with any of my other cars.

[MaNgA4LyF]

=) u would be such a challenge to race. Its getting annoying now. In my arcade eveyrone i have to race to get the machine is 500+ k dc2s
with times that i can match

Ive only beaten this dc2 guys like 3 times and thats because i blocked them and made them stack on the frist turn. i reckon dc2 should be disabled =P

[MauveVandal]

I'm going to go play that game this weekend, and I'm actually going to have enough to get another card since I got a sucky Subaru Impreza I need something with lose handling and more Acceleration.

[MaNgA4LyF]

loose handling + accel... um.... i use a cappuccino right now. Its got minor accel but on straights it justs revs up sooo quickly.

[daniel480]

I personally think loose handling sucks, heheh. If your car slides too often like the Cappu on most courses, it'll kill you in your TA times and possibly battles.

As for your WRX, the WRX is actually a pretty darn good car in the game. It's like the EVO IV 'cept with the higher speed and slightly slidier handling. You need to specify more on what you're talking about. On a side note though, you really need to just pick a car you love and work the hell out of it. I love the WRX and drive one as one of my main 2 cars.

As for my Integra, it is now upgaded even more, heh heh. I've switched its tune from A to C and swapped the muffler for the C-West D tune muffler. Popped my Iro time down to a beginner's 2'40". Now it is time to really sit down and work down to a 2'35" at least.

[MaNgA4LyF]

Farkk today i wouldve beaten this guys integra type r. But the kunt at the last straight akina blocked me.

[daniel480]

Ah, the taste of victory.

My DC2, name: >=D, is now #1 record holder on Iro at my local arcade. The time isn't spectacular, but I'm satisfied with it since I've been working on it by myself. No expert to tell me how to do things, though I wish there were sometimes so I can improve faster.
In addition, I started a Civic EG6, and now i'm taking up the goal of becoming the local wet-specialist at my arcade, particularly in courses of Akina, Happo, and Iro.

Anyhow, my Akina time is now 3'01, Happo, a crappy 2'22, and Iro, a 2'39.

Stat update:
>=D - DC2
920K points
Tune A -> C with C-west muffler

; D - EG6
160K points
Tune C

NR.DW - GC8V
610K points
Tune N

[MaNgA4LyF]

edit

[daniel480]

2'38'620 on Iro, hell yeah.

[MaNgA4LyF]

=P GJ
friend got 2 55 in my cappa on akina

[nakey]

just started playing with a card (since the ID machines at Galatic Circus don't have cards)... I picked the FD3S. Not original, but it's one of the better cars that i liked...

I think i'm doing alright beating everyone up to and including Nobuhiko (i think that's his non-fscked up name) with the Stock FD3S (first battle with the card was Nobu). i kept up with Mako and Sayuki but couldn't beat them the first time i raced the FD 3 weeks ago ... It's at least better than my friends who have trouble beating Shingo with their DC2....

I'm deciding between an Evo 4 (personal Favourite of the Evos), Evo 6 or GC8 WRX for my next car. i don't really want to go down the DC2 path... Hell, i'd rather say as far away from the FF path as much as possible...

EDIT: do i suck if i can't beat Sid's Cappu with a 36K FD3S?

[daniel480]

Sid can be beaten simply by not touching the wall. Many people slam into the walls in the two sharper turns and that basically forces them to lose. . that is. . if you are talking about V2.
In V3, it's not too bad on Shomaru. . most cars should be able to squeeze by him. In the latter parts of the stage, he starts braking a lot. . if you're keeping on his tail, you should be able to pass him easily there.

I play occasionally nowadays. . evo3 and evo4. First for battle purposes since it's startup is pretty high up there (and good on Iro, my favorite stage). The E4 for time attack purposes. . though I haven't had any real drive to full-tune either of them.

[nakey]

Sid can be beaten simply by not touching the wall. Many people slam into the walls in the two sharper turns and that basically forces them to lose. . that is. . if you are talking about V2.
In V3, it's not too bad on Shomaru. . most cars should be able to squeeze by him. In the latter parts of the stage, he starts braking a lot. . if you're keeping on his tail, you should be able to pass him easily there.

I play occasionally nowadays. . evo3 and evo4. First for battle purposes since it's startup is pretty high up there (and good on Iro, my favorite stage). The E4 for time attack purposes. . though I haven't had any real drive to full-tune either of them.
after watching the Drift Bible (with the technical director for Initial D showing how to drift) i figured that out... I can drift now :). the FD's in V2 BTW...

I got 2 more cars. an Evo VII in V3 English and a ER34 GT-T in V3 Japanese. the ER34's beaten Usul and Myogi and is only 36K at the end of that... one loss to the 2 Otakus in akagi (i think) but then i'm used to wide tracks..