Do you hate Shinji Ikari?

[Wolfpac]

I have heard quite a few times that Shinji Ikari is one of the most hated anime characters of all time. So I'm wondering if you guys hate him and if so, why? Like yes he did almost kill the human race but he did do a lot of good throughout the series. So why hate him so much?

[InuFreak]

i dont hate him its just that SUMTIMES HES FRIKKIN ANNOYING!!! but i see why people hate him hahahahahahahaha grrrr.

[gawl]

I have heard quite a few times that Shinji Ikari is one of the most hated anime characters of all time. So I'm wondering if you guys hate him and if so, why? Like yes he did almost kill the human race but he did do a lot of good throughout the series. So why hate him so much?
I don't hate him; he's not a bad guy. I hate dispicable villains or just all around jerks, but Shinji is neither of those. For me, Shinji is the underdog who I will always root for in hopes that he can find some happiness.

[DarkPrimus]

The hatred of Shinji comes from the hatred of the dub actor, Spike Spencer. All of the hatred of Shinji is due to that man.

[Black_Knight]

The hatred of Shinji comes from the hatred of the dub actor, Spike Spencer. All of the hatred of Shinji is due to that man.


But it helps prove how much of a pussy he is...

I hate him since he sat idlely when Evangelion Unit-03 was kicking his ass so that Son of a Bitch Gendo got a psycho Rei to do the job...

[PenPen2]

I don't hate Shinji... He has reasons for being the way he is. Fear of abandonment is a huge reason. His relationships in his life has turned him into the type of a character that he is. I can understand why people would find him annoying, but once you grasp the psychological portion to his character, how can you hate him? His life is pretty fucked.

[DarkPrimus]

But it helps prove how much of a pussy he is...

A bad actor playing a role innapropriately makes a character something they aren't supposed to be. You obviously did not figure that out from my first post.


I hate him since he sat idlely when Evangelion Unit-03 was kicking his ass so that Son of a Bitch Gendo got a psycho Rei to do the job...

I don't know why you even bother watching Evangelion, if you can't understand the psychological reasons behind why he did that.

[Black_Knight]

I don't know why you even bother watching Evangelion, if you can't understand the psychological reasons behind why he did that.

I thought the casting was good for the characters. If you want a real life represention though of Shinji. Watch Sailor Moon and the Seven balls. It'll leave you emotionally scarred, but you'll get my point.

I did know that he didn't want to take the life of another human being. They were even worse in the Manga when Shinji figured out it was Toji before Bardiel got its hands on Eva-00. But Gendo could have said that the Entry Plug was only a test type and no one was in there. Or Shinji could have shot out the legs of Evangelion Unit-03 thus hampering it's ablities. Not to mention the plug was in the back of the eva, so it's easy to know where NOT to shot. Shinji had a while to pull himself togther since he had a somewhat good family, friends, supporters. But then again, having a father complex puts a damper on it all.

[Lengis]

Shinji I like. He's like Kira Yamato from Gundam Seed, except he doesn't cry as much. Shinji at least has a reason for his emotions. Kira usually cried about stupid crap.

[DarkPrimus]

I thought the casting was good for the characters.

Then you definatley have no understanding whatsoever about acting.

[Black_Knight]

Then you definatley have no understanding whatsoever about acting.

It's everyone's own opinion on who is good or not. To empose your ideas on some else is foolhardy

[DarkPrimus]

BK, your opinion is moot. If an actor makes the characters reaction to something entirely different than that of the original, then it is bad acting.

[Black_Knight]

BK, your opinion is moot. If an actor makes the characters reaction to something entirely different than that of the original, then it is bad acting.

Just because it's different than the orignal actor, doesn't make it bad automaticly. In fact there are Japanese Directors who said the English Voice actors are sometimes better than the Orignal English part. Also you have to take into account they have to redub it as well. It's all relative. So pull your head out of your ass and accpet that some of your veiws are wrong.

[DarkPrimus]

Just because it's different than the orignal actor, doesn't make it bad automaticly.

You don't think that changing the reaction of a character is bad?

So, if a character originally said something angrily, and in the dub, the person was speaking as though they were sad, that's not bad?


In fact there are Japanese Directors who said the English Voice actors are sometimes better than the Orignal English part.

Certainly not for Evangelion. If you are claiming such, I want to have a source to back this up, because it sounds like you pulled it out of your ass.


So pull your head out of your ass and accpet that some of your veiws are wrong.

You stated that Spike Spencer does not make people hate Shinji, and that someone changing a character's reaction to something has no difference. Both of which shall be nullified thusly.



Spike Spencer screeches and shouts all his lines, he doesn't use real emotions, he is horribly nasal, he whines, and a whole multitude of other things that both makes the sound of his voice unberable, but shreds the depth and competence of the original voice acting. And worst of all, HE SQUAWKS! The Bastard literally makes bird-like squawking noises insated of sceaming! Absolutely unbelievable.

But those aren't the biggest problem with his version of Shinji, far from it. The worst is that he not only reduces the original characterization, but he ADDS to it! His version of Shinji adds the horrible, over-the-top, and previously unpresent attirbiutes of:

SARCASTIC
HYPERACTIVE
TANTRUM-THROWING
HABITUAL SCREAMER
POMPOUS

And several other personality quirks which were either never there or never stretched to that inhuman level that the Bastard does. I don't care to remeber them, and it's a bit hard to, as I've seen Evangelion in Japanese enough to get a clear understanding of Shinji's character, and this is clearly not Shinji.



Need an example? It's really fucked-up, I'll warn you. Here's the scene where Shinji first enters the unlit chamber with the Eva 01, and then sees it when the lights go on:

The dialogue on Japanese (I had to rewatch it this way just for sanity's sake, but it gave me something to write up here as a comparison of quality. This is paraphrasing from not only the subtitles, which I had on the whole episode, but from the Japanese dialogue itself):

(Lights go out)
SHINJI (Megumi Ogata): "Huh? It's dark in here."
(Lights go on)
SHINJI: *Gasp*

And now for the same two lines in English:

(Lights go out)
SHINJI (Spike Spencer): "WHAAT?! WHY IS IT SO DARK IN HERE!!!??1111~"
(Lights go on)
SHINJI: "SQUAAAAAWK!!!"

[Black_Knight]

You don't think that changing the reaction of a character is bad?

So, if a character originally said something angrily, and in the dub, the person was speaking as though they were sad, that's not bad?

That is a complete opposite and would never happen, so don't even use that logic. Although it could be used and depending on the situation, it might be more effective.


In my opinion, I think you have a personal vedetta against Spike Spencer, just because he and ADV changed some things. If I was thrown into a giant machine and the lights went out, I'd be screaming too!

[RahOtaku]

I like Shinji.

I've Never hated him. and I Liked his voice Actors, both japanese and english.

I think Evangelion is one of the best dub I've heard. Most people disagree.


By the way , The manga was pretty good. Even though not much has changed.

^_^

[DarkPrimus]

In my opinion, I think you have a personal vedetta against Spike Spencer, just because he and ADV changed some things. If I was thrown into a giant machine and the lights went out, I'd be screaming too!

That's not what Shinji did in the original... so why does he do it in the English dub? He's not supposed to react differently, he's still the same damn character!

Or at least, that's how it's supposed to work.

[Black_Knight]

That's not what Shinji did in the original... so why does he do it in the English dub? He's not supposed to react differently, he's still the same damn character!

Or at least, that's how it's supposed to work.

Well people have the right to change how things are. For better are for worse. Deal with it.

[DarkPrimus]

Well people have the right to change how things are. For better are for worse. Deal with it.

So, if you made a television show, and a foreign company optioned it, and redubbed it, changing character personalities, you would not care? How apatheic of you.

Your reasoning is idiotic. You seem to think that a dub, which is supposed to be a representation of the original in English, can be drastically different from the original, and still be accurate. Furthermore, you think it is their right to be able to change things. You think it would be their right if they wanted to make Kowaru an old friend of Shinji's who had moved away for a long time.

[Black_Knight]

I'll give you one series which proves my theroy. Done by the fine people at ADV. Watch Soul Hunters

[DarkPrimus]

I'll give you one series which proves my theroy. Done by the fine people at ADV. Watch Soul Hunters

What? Is it quite different from the Japanese version? Then it's not an accurate dub, it is an inaccurate dub, which is BAD. Do pay attention.

You could also try to respond a bit faster. I thought you all but gave up.

[Black_Knight]

What? Is it quite different from the Japanese version? Then it's not an accurate dub, it is an inaccurate dub, which is BAD. Do pay attention.

You could also try to respond a bit faster. I thought you all but gave up.


You say that, but watch it, it would knock your bias ass to the ground...

I could respond faster, but, I no...

[Adriel]

I hate some of the things he did (for example, what occured in Asuka's hospital room...) but I think Shinji's pitiable more than anything.

[DarkPrimus]

You say that, but watch it, it would knock your bias ass to the ground...

I am not going to buy a series I have no interest in. That you can't give me a specific example is suspicious, since I was able to give specific examples from Evangelion.

[Black_Knight]

I am not going to buy a series I have no interest in. That you can't give me a specific example is suspicious, since I was able to give specific examples from Evangelion.


OKay, the script of Soul Hunters and the translation was right no target, though you have to remember with the DVD dubs, Now they can't alter the movement of the speaking or mouths in any way.

If you want a complete deviation of the script where the Dubs adds it's own things. Just watch the trailers for the next episdeo. They have the characters do little tabits instead of giving what the next episode is about. Dakki saying she's has a can of whoop ass for the heros and is dieing to get the can opener is priceless. Not to mention how they switch the script around. There are some Wav. fills on-line somewhere, I'll get them if I can find them.

[DarkPrimus]

Wow, you're still ignoring me.

I don't care if there are good dubs out there. I know there are. I enjoy watching some of them.

Evangelion does not have a good dub. It is very inaccurate; it makes the characters something they were not originally.

[Black_Knight]

Evangelion does not have a good dub. It is very inaccurate; it makes the characters something they were not originally.


Let me guess, you thought Re-Dead had a better dubbing. But the main idea got across for the series, so it didn't matter. Shinji's still a pussy no matter what languae you dub it in or whoever much accuracy there is.

[DarkPrimus]

Let me guess, you thought Re-Dead had a better dubbing.

What?


Shinji's still a pussy no matter what languae you dub it in or whoever much accuracy there is.

Shinji might have been cowardly, but he was not a lot of things the dub made him out to be.

[Black_Knight]

What?

I ment Re-death, it was a fan parody that makes a lot more sense than the orignal series. Two words. "It's Gendo..." :D "Oh... Baby" Okay, it's four words...




Shinji might have been cowardly, but he was not a lot of things the dub made him out to be.

He was a pussy that couldn't stand up against things, we all have those problems but he could at least have tried to grow a spine... Dub or no dub, he was a wimp.

[DarkPrimus]

I ment Re-death, it was a fan parody that makes a lot more sense than the orignal series. Two words. "It's Gendo..." :D "Oh... Baby" Okay, it's four words...

Oh, Evangelion: Re-Death.

It made about as much sense as the original series. Just because you can't undestand it doesn't mean it didn't make sense.



He was a pussy that couldn't stand up against things, we all have those problems but he could at least have tried to grow a spine... Dub or no dub, he was a wimp.

Gee, if that were the issue at hand, it'd have some relevency.

[Black_Knight]

Well it is your opinion alone that decides if a dub is good or not. I understand that everyone has their own opinion, and I should respect yours. But do not impose your beliefs on others.

It still stands that I thought the dub was done effecively and you hate it because it deviates from the orginal script. So let's leave it at that.

[DarkPrimus]

The dub is why people hate Shinji so much. You only reinforce that assertion, because you hate him, and you watch the dub.

[jww1477]

This entire line of conversation is so odd. I like both sets of voice actors just fine, and I have nothing but pity for Shinji.

BK - Shinji's cowardly / depressed antics are what makes him an interesting and unique protagonist, and ALSO makes him more identifiable to the typical otaku than the invincible hero type. I think he's a fascinating character - I wouldn't reduce him with the words "wimp" or pussy."

DP - You NEED to give better examples. I've watched both but admittedly, I've watched the dub more. Shinji being loud when he was supposed to be quiet is not a big deal to me - that's not something worthy of noticing. Where is a major discrepancy between dub and original?

[DarkPrimus]

As I said before:

Spike Spencer's version of Shinji adds the horrible, over-the-top, and previously unpresent attirbiutes of:

SARCASTIC
HYPERACTIVE
TANTRUM-THROWING
HABITUAL SCREAMER
POMPOUS

[DarkPrimus]

I'd like to add more evidence to my favor. While English-speaking people seem to dispise Shinji, Japanese people like him. Don't believe me? Look at the Newtype polls.Shinji is almost always on the list of favorite male characters.

[ATh]

I am watching it again (slowly) in japanese and the character is more likeable in japanese than in english, infact there are places where in the english he comes across as whingy, while in the japanese it is actually funny.

ATh

[Lengis]

I am watching it again (slowly) in japanese and the character is more likeable in japanese than in english, infact there are places where in the english he comes across as whingy, while in the japanese it is actually funny.

ATh

Where's Captain Obvious when you need him? :rolleyes:

[DarkPrimus]

Right here!

[Image removed because of uppity host.]

:p

[RiPPa]

Its like jww1477 said, hes not your typical or stereotypical super hero who always saves the day (though Shinji does that to :lol: ) but the anti-hero who is more realistic in that he reacts like an average person.
Although Shinji does whinge alot that is for certain :rolleyes:

[Maisie]

I like Shinji. He acts just like a nicer version of me.

[tears_of_chaos]

hey,just looked at ur opinions about evangelion and i think ur both kinda right,i dnt like the fact that the ppl at AVD changed the script to suit them,it's destroying the way Anno originaly intended evangelion to be viewed by audiences,it was also a kind of personal work for him so it's wrong,but he never complained(i doubt he'd watch the english dub...lol) but sayin that i thought spike spencer was bloody excellent as shinji wether it was true to the original or not.

evangelion is heavily religious and psyhcological(proably spelt that wrong) and no offense BK but u dnt seem to understand very well shinji's personality and why he didn't attack the 13th angel,yes there are other ways shinji could have tried 2 defeat it without harming the piolit but i bet even if shinji had his father still would have uploaded the dummy-plug system to finish it off(and just cuttin its legs off wldnt work-extendable arms?!?)

i personaly dnt hate shinji at all,it's understandable why some ppl get pissed off with him but he wasn't made 2b liked.if ur mum died,ur father abandoned u and u'd convinced urself u were so worthless,so much so u can't even comit suicide,u'd b like him2.

oh well it's still a great series!we can all agree on that right? lol

[Destructa]

Shinji is ok. I don't hate him, but he can be such a wimp sometimes. It gets really annoying.

[Rei Ayanami]

Personaly I like Shinji. He's cute sometimes =]
Hes probably my 4th favorite-
1- Rei
2- Kensuke
3- Kaji
4- Shinji!!!
Yup.

[Eva crazy]

no no, no one can hate shinji just look at what he has been through and i dont hear that people hate shinji i hear that asuka is the most hated but again u cant hate her look at what has happened to her

[Rei Ayanami]

Asuka has an excuse- Her crappy childhood. So I always think about that befor saying - 'GAH ASUKA YOU FREAKING RETARD' Then I think about it, and say it anyway.

[tamaritha]

And here I thought everyone hated one of Shinji's hands than the man himself.

[bigbi]

If you hate Shinji, how can you enjoy Eva? He is the most real character on the show. Anyone who's been depressed can relate to him, and I love him.

[Eva crazy]

yeah i can definatly say that makes sence i mean he is what makes eva .... Eva