Yawn!!!!! Borrrrring

[Darkside]

Maybe it's just me, but this series is boring the life out of me. I have watched about 20 episodes so far and I just can't get into it. I liked the original GITS movie well enough but there just seems to be no concrete storyline to this series.

Anyone else agree?

[Rei Ayanami]

It just goes- REALLY SLOW.
I bought it in Japanese and got bored with it too. The movie was awesome but SAC is broing. I agree.

[DarkPrimus]

You've watched 20 episodes, and you don't like it?

First of all, if you don't like something, you don't have to keep watching it.

Secondly, if you've seen almost all of the entire damn series, and you haven't noticed the plot, then that's your own damn fault. There's a reason not all episodes are "Standalone". :rolleyes:

[Darkside]

You've watched 20 episodes, and you don't like it?

First of all, if you don't like something, you don't have to keep watching it.

Secondly, if you've seen almost all of the entire damn series, and you haven't noticed the plot, then that's your own damn fault. There's a reason not all episodes are "Standalone". :rolleyes:

Well...to retort....

First of all, if I have watched 20 episodes of a series and there are 24 episodes, it makes more sense to me just to finish the damn thing. But hey, difference of opinion.

Secondly, if you're referring to the "laughing man" backstory then yeah I have noticed it. Quite frankly it's paper thin. None of the characters have any ties whatsoever with anything thats going on. I mean at least in the movie the Major had a personal interest in catching the villian, it was more of a philosophical interest true but SOMETHING none the less. In the series it seems as if none of them could really give a rat crap if they catch the guy or not, because it's just another day on the job.

The writers never really touch on anything personal with the exception of a "passing interest." For example, Bato's attachment to the little robots that they had to get rid of. But other then that there is nothing. To make a comparison, in the series "Witch Hunter: Robin" there is an entire story arc involving the fates of all of the main characters. If the main characters weren't there, there would be no story arc. As opposed to GITS where if the main characters weren't there...someone else would do the job.

People watch animes to see a big story arc. You have shows like "Cowboy Bebop" that do the job brilliantly. They have implimented the whole "Monster of the week" format while adding a little bit to the end arc each time. You evolve with the characters, and at the end they are nothing like they began. I have a feeling at the end of GITS all the characters will be exactly the same, nothing will have changed and I will have wasted my time.

Can you honestly sit there and tell me that you are getting something out of it? If so PLEASE tell me!

Because if you ask me the episodes are Standalone pieces of garbage. :pokes your eyes out:

[DarkPrimus]

...Cowboy Bebop had an arcing storyline? The Syndicate story shows up in about five episodes, total. Cowboy Bebop is pointed to by people as one of the greatest examples of a show that didin't have arcing episodes, which each episode building on the last.

Characterization was present in all the episodes. You either learned something about a character, or you learned something about the world that the show takes place in. Much like Cowboy Bebop.

If you expect all anime to have characters that end up entirely different than from the beginning, then you obviously haven't watched a lot of anime. Characters don't have to change for them to be compelling.

Like I said before, there's just no helping some people. It's obvious you think this show is a waste of time.

Some people think Cowboy Bebop is a piece of crap. Do you disagree with that statement? Then maybe you understand where I'm coming from.

[tears_of_chaos]

i think cowboy bebop is genius,i understand wot u mean about the story arc.alot of episodes are just thier 2 entertain the hell outta u(the one with mushrooms...i think it was17...that was great!!!lol)
i dnt think characters have 2 end up different all the time,each character still follows thier own path wether they stay true or learn from thier experience shouldnt interupt u likin a story or not.
i havent seen much of stand alone,wot i have seen i thought was good
i loved the GITS movie,it was fresh and one of the first animes i had the oppourtunity 2view
each2 thier own but i dnt think u should judge an entire series on the way a ''character turns out''

[fatesangel]

the main focus of each episode revovles around a case, The laughing man incident, and how it ties into all that is going on around them. the show makes it seem like section 9 member doubt their own exixtence with the falicy that the laughing man created all that they know and he is toying with them to see who can solve the mystery of their own existence.

[Darkside]

Ok first of all...."Tears of chaos"....you seriously need to get a better mastry of the English language bro. I almost killed myself trying to read what you wrote.

Secondly....DarkPrimus, I'm all about agreeing to disagree. If for some reason you like the anime then hey man, more power to you. But in my mind there is NO comparison between bebop and GITS. I honsetly can say that after 20 episodes of GITS I really couldn't care less if any of those people die. Whereas I was very moved at the end of bebop. The best way I can describe it is that GITS is not "personal." It's ALL work.

Keeping the Bebop comparison, you really care for Spike and the crew in each of their own situations. Fey with her trying to fit in, Spike with trying to find his girl and outrun his past, Jet also trying to forget his past. IMHO it's just MORE personal.

GITS doesn't do that "FOR ME", maybe it does for you. But if the major were to get run over by a car in the last episode I wouldn't care. Because all the characters personalities are paper thin. Am I going to claim they don't try at ALL to build SOME personality...no because they do. However, they don't do ENOUGH.

As far as characters "changing" you right they don't NEED to change. However it brings me back to what I said before. If a character is paper thin to begin with, and they don't "change" then if I didn't give a rat crap about them at the beginning then chances are I don't at the end. It is possible that maybe I just "personally" don't care about the "types" of characters on GITS, but I also do think that they don't portray them "personally" enough.

Hey, thats just my opinion.

[DarkPrimus]

Maybe you don't care because the movie didn't give much in the way of characterization either (the manga is much better), but I care very much about the characters of Batou and Togusa. I've always liked Batou's character, but Togusa I relate to because he's like how I would be if I was at Section 9. I'd be the normal guy finding himself in extraordinary circumstances.

[Darkside]

Maybe you don't care because the movie didn't give much in the way of characterization either (the manga is much better), but I care very much about the characters of Batou and Togusa. I've always liked Batou's character, but Togusa I relate to because he's like how I would be if I was at Section 9. I'd be the normal guy finding himself in extraordinary circumstances.


Ya know what I got to agree with you there about Togusa, and why. He is probably the most interesting character to me.

[DarkPrimus]

In fact, if you look back through this forum, you'll see that I did my own research with "The Catcher in the Rye" before episode 20 came out.

[Darkside]

Well Primus here is the thing,

Do you think a lot of people try to carry a flame for the animes that they have read as mangas? I personally don't really care for manga. I would rather read a comic book or watch and anime then read about it. It's just my style, I'm not saying that they are bad.

But I have noticed that a lot of people will defend animes that in "movie/tv form" suck, but were GREAT in book form. For example....X-The movie. Horrible. But a lot of people were SUPERFANS of the manga, so it got a lot of defense. Now I haven't seen it's TV series so I can't comment but just because something is great in a manga doesn't mean it translates well into a movie/tv show.

For example, I'm a fan of X-men. Now granted the movie was good...but if the movie sucked I would have been the first one on the bus to say so. I would think if ANYTHING people who have read the manga are MORE opt to quickly critisize but that doesn't seem to be the case.

[DarkPrimus]

The series has the characters from the manga, and uses the manga designs instead of the movie ones. Some of the stand-alone episodes are even based off of plots Shirow came up with but never drew.

Another big factor is that, unlike a lot of shows based off of a manga, SAC doesn't follow the manga plot (and then deviate once it catches up through the current stories). It is it's own continuity.

[DraniX]

It is kind of boring, but maybe more because I only watch it off and on so I don't really get drawn into the plot. The animation is outstanding but I'm just not feeling it.

[Squall Leonhart]

The series has the characters from the manga, and uses the manga designs instead of the movie ones. Some of the stand-alone episodes are even based off of plots Shirow came up with but never drew.

Another big factor is that, unlike a lot of shows based off of a manga, SAC doesn't follow the manga plot (and then deviate once it catches up through the current stories). It is it's own continuity.


if they are that deviant, why even compare the two? So what if they have the same names, if they act different, and do different things, then there not the same.

[dalmain]

I liked GitS: SAC alot. It's very different to Cowboy Bebop, so I wouldn't compare them. For it's own right it's a good series. There were a few episodes that I found on the boring side, but the series on a whole was above average..IMO.

[RiPPa]

It's entertaining and the characters are easy admire and catch on to... yet I think the lack of character growth is due to the fact that it is a criminal investigation-style genre; concentrating on the puzzle rather than a personal quest, or something like that :rolleyes:

[warlock]

There are times that I like to watch the episodes but there are times that I could simply pick up the remote control then just change channels!!
It was good on a certain degree but also boring on others

[Shinobi X]

Ghost In the Shell is one of those anime that are fun/exciting to boring then back to fun etc. It just keeps going on and on basically to make you feel bored until the action rises and makes you interested.

[warlock]

Yeah, something like that!
I would love to see the Major doing some comedy for the crew! She rarely smile and is always serious! Good thing on the second gig we have the tachikomas! I think they brighten up the story! Everyone's either dead serious or dead.
Go TACHIKOMAs!!!!