Cowboy Bebop on Cartoon Network

[BigShot Jordan]

I went to the toonami web site and i read somewhere that they were thinking of puting Cowboy Bebop on Toonami.

this will and never would work unless they left it un-edited.

Here are the reasons why it wouldn't work:

1.drugs and smoke-It would be nearly impossible to edit out their cigarettes and replace them with something else like they did with Blue Sub No.6. Cigarettes are shown way to often in the show to be replaced with some gay toothpick.They would also have to not show the episodes that feature Redeye.

2.Swearing-Yes,The Bebop crew does swear a lot(except for Ed).It would be plain pathetic to hear them say "dang you","you loser","shoot!!",and "darnit".

3.Violence-That would really suck if they took out the blood.When someone gets shot,you have to expect blood.That's just the way the world works,Toonami!!!Cowboy Bebop has some of the best fight scenes ever and i'd hate to see any of them edited.

4.opening theme-The opening theme is required.It can'r be replaced.

5.Story-The story has to much of a mature content to have young kids watching it.There is way to much adult content in the story for it too be shown to kids who watch stuff like DBZ.

6.Faye's cleavage-yes,i know,Faye's chest size is never not noticed.How would CN do something about that?



well,those are my rants for now.


see you space cowboys.

[Yui_Reborn]

True True. Besides, after paying all this money for Bebop tapes, I would be a little upset if lazy-do-nothing-non-Otaku-Toonami-watchers got to watch it for [B]FREE[/]

Oh God, can you imagine an edited version of Jupiter Jazz? *snickers*

[The cruel angel's thesis]

they might be able to pull it off as a midnight run only, but otherwse.....edited like escaflowne on fox *shudder*

[cool2burn]

just another thing for toonami to butcher

[Hybrid]

Originally posted by Yui_Reborn
True True. Besides, after paying all this money for Bebop tapes, I would be a little upset if lazy-do-nothing-non-Otaku-Toonami-watchers got to watch it for [B]FREE[/]

Oh God, can you imagine an edited version of Jupiter Jazz? *snickers*

Can i get an amen to that?

You totally hit the nail on the head yui_reborn.

[Boltarion]

I agree totally. Of course, it would be nice to see anime (good anime, that is) become more popular, but if they have to butcher it to do so... count me out.

[DarkPrimus]

Even IF they were to cut blood, violence, etc. out of the show, they couldn't even air certain episodes at all. Session #5 comes to mind, what with all the throat-slitting and such. There is no reason to try and show an anime on TV if it is so mature in content that they can't even show all of the episodes.

[lilmisato]

yeah, i don't think they'll be able to put that on cartoon network...i don't know if it's even suitable for sci-fi cause of the swearing. i wish these damn channels would leave anime alone.

[Kazin]

Cowboy Bebop was pretty good. One of the best I've ever seen. THERE IS NO WAY IT COULD BE PUT ON CARTOON NETWORK, without it being chopped up into pieces so small, it wouldn't fit the time slot. There are probably other animes that they could use anyway. Ones that may not be as popular but will not need much editing. I'd hate to see Cowboy Bebop on CN.

And that 5th reason BigShot said, is probably one of the top reasons they may not use it. Its not a cartoon for kids.

[Kowaru_of_the_sea]

The thing that pisses me off is that i ran out and bought all the DVD's. And now those damn little punk kids will see it in all of its "HEAVILY EDITED" glory and suddenly think that they are otakus.

Damn them :devil:

I like DBZ/gundam and all but now i can't chat about anime without some tri-hard punk butting in about what they saw on cartoon netwoork last week.

It makes me want to puke.

Part of what makes anime so cool is the fact that not everyone sees it or has acces to it. and the people who watch it really like it beacuse its expensive.

so i give the middle finger to the cartoon network for being a group of TRI-haRD PuNKs

:finger:

"Peace and love man" -JET-

[Dryden-san]

I'll start by saying that I am NOT in favor of putting Cowboy Bebop on Cartoon Network. It is not a kids show. If the rumour that they're considering it is true, it just shows how little they understand. Some anime is meant for adults! Just because its a cartoon doesn't make it happy and friendly.

I don't even think it's possible for them, anyway. I won't mention the reasons other people have posted but Faye's cleavage presents a tricky problem. Tenchi does have more chest shots, but since the characters are naked at the time, they can paint bathing suits over top. Faye flashes plenty of skin but at no time is she actually unclothed. How would they handle this? Would they paint over her entire shirt, raising it up an inch or two in the process? Completely unfeasible. It's not going to happen people, so relax.

That aside, STOP BASHING CN! I've got beef with them just like everyone else, but they've done more to raise awareness about anime in this country than anyone else, and I include Pokemon in that statement. If you run into a newbie try bringing them deeper into the fold instead of getting on their case.

Stop acting like something is less cool just because more people are interested in it, dammit!

[Ura]

DEAR GOD NO! how are they going to butcher this one? Rewrite the ending? What about eps like Pierrot Le Faux?

*Cradles UNCUT DVDs :)

[Zechs Merquise]

I'm with Dryden-san. Don't knock CN for trying. Cn got me into GW, Tenchi and all the other anime. They're just a little too ambitious if they think they can get Cowboy Bebop on the air.

Still, it doesn't detract from what a great series it is.

[Dryden-san]

Thank ye kindly, Zechs.

I think we can all agree that Bebop on CN is impossible anyway. But what about a premium station like HBO? Not only could they show it uncut (even subtitled, though I doubt they would bother), it would give HBO another good series and draw the attention of other people in the television biz.

[Wen?]

eh ... i dunno about Cowboy Bebop being an impossibility
for Cartoon Network. supposedly Bandai's gonna be releasing
new toys for some its shows shown over in america and i
quote:

"Outlaw Star debuted on Cartoon Network's Toonami block
January 15, and Big O and Pilot Candidate probably won't
light up screens until this fall, but new anime collector
sets from Bandai America will include figures from all
three shows, along with characters from Gundam Wing,
Cowboy Bebop, Escaflowne and Blue Submarine No. 6. Each
of the sets is tentatively priced at US$14.99 and will
include one seven-inch and two four-and-a-half-inch figures
when they ship later this spring."

(that's from http://www.animenewsservice.com)

now what all those shows have in common other than Bandai
is that all of them have either seen airtime or will
see airtime except, supposedly, Bebop.

not that i got the brains for this thing, but if i were
Bandai, i wouldn't mass distribute a toy for a show only
a small segment of society's seen unless i were gonna
make a larger segment of society see it.

... just a thought, but Bebop on CN seems like it could
be pretty close to reality in some way or other ...



[Edited by Wen? on 04-02-2001 at 03:31 AM]

[heerogf]

NO NO NO!! they are not gonna put cowboy bebop on CN, never!! it'll ruin everything, and i just became a fan :( :down::down::down: all the way

P.S. i don't understand what ur saying wen? can u make it a little more clearer for my baka mind, thanks

[Edited by heerogf on 04-02-2001 at 05:36 AM]

[Yui_Reborn]

I think Wen?'s saying that if the Cartoon Network has plans to realease a toy line featuring CB, it would stand to reason that they are going to show it on Toonami. Why would they merchandise a show they haven't aired?

I'm really upset about it though, it makes no sense! Damn, I don't mind American companies acquiring the rights to an anime and then showing it to it's proper demographic, but when they have to cut it up so much than what's the point? I can't say how they could possibly show certain sessions, even in a midnight run, without serious editing, and reminder: The most violent episodes are generally the most crucial plot episodes!

So toonami watchers will think that the plot to CB makes no sense and will classify it as another 'dumb anime'.

OOOOOOOOHHH, makes me so MAD!

[Wen?]

Originally posted by Yui_Reborn
I think Wen?'s saying that if the Cartoon Network has plans to realease a toy line featuring CB, it would stand to reason that they are going to show it on Toonami. Why would they merchandise a show they haven't aired?

yah, that's what i meant! thanks Yui_Reborn!

don't really know what to think about the possibility of
CB on CN. i'd love to see Bebop get the exposure it
deserves, but it sure doesn't deserve to get hacked to
pieces just to appease the censors.

[heerogf]

thx wen? and yui_reborn, now i'm sad :(

[Oogami Ichirou]

CB would ONLY work on Sci-Fi channel, even if they aired it on there who knows how edited it would be. Cartoon Network is no question, NO WAY HO-ZAAAYY!!! lmao :lol: ahem

[Yui_Reborn]

Originally posted by heerogf
thx wen? and yui_reborn, now i'm sad :(

Ooooooooh, I'm sorry that was not my intention (gives Heerogf a hug). We shall survive the bastardization of Cowboy Bebop! If we were strong enough to take what they did to CardCaptor Sakura, we're stong enough for this!

Next thing you know they'll be showing Perfect Blue as an after-school special.....

WHY CAN'T THEY LEAVE ANIME ALONE????:bawling:

[Wen?]

Originally posted by heerogf
thx wen? and yui_reborn, now i'm sad :(

i'm sorry, heerogf, i didn't mean to make you sad!
(hug and warm pat on the back to heerogf)

maybe it'll come out and everything will be perfectly fine
and dandy and we'll have even more happy people posting
on the forum here ...!

[heerogf]

oh, u guys don't have to say sorry, ur so nice ::big hug::
let just hope that every thing will be good :)

[The cruel angel's thesis]

the merchandizing just says that CB will be on tv..not toonami. the toonami people are not stupid enough to even try. But CB on scifi would be pretty cool. the editing would be limited to pretty much just language, and CB would get the exposure it deserves.

[heerogf]

okay, the sci-fi channel is a lot better :)

[Dryden-san]

I can live with the sci-fi channel, although truthfully, I'm a little irked that they don't show MORE anime. I mean, when you consider that they can get away with death (the word I mean; also "kill.") drugs, smoking, drinking, blood, cleavage and mature plotlines, it's actually an ideal channel to broadcast anime. God knows there's enough anime that qualifies as sci-fi. I know for a fact that they actually broadcast the SUBTITLED version of Akira once, so who knows what might come of it.

[BigShot Jordan]

so based on theory of CN-dumbass-ness,I will despence the possible choices for *un-cut* Bebop on television:


1.HBO(they had that un-cut Spawn series,nuff said.)
2.Encore-Action Channel(they showed subtitled movies all the time)
3.Sci-Fi Channel
4.Nickolodean(just kidding :D )


see you space cowboys......someday......somewhere.....

[Deathscyth3]

my personal choice for Cowboy Bebop would be HBO. i mean look at Sopranos and OZ. HBO knows how to handle its ---- even when its far past the line of being controversial. but probably wont happen. oh well...

[Wen?]

looks like if anyone's gonna get CB, its gonna be CN. news at AnimeNation.com said that
CN had a news conference where they stated that they're trying to put together a "mature
viewer" animation block with the likes of Escaflowne and CB.

oy vey ...

[MandarinRage]

theres no way in hell CN is gonna show bebop, i mean think about it....

heres an example: in GW, duo is the 'god of death,' but CN changed it to 'the great destroyer' ... [this is just one example]

CN wont even do something as simple as broadcast the word 'death' and you think they're gonna show bebop?! yeah right!!! bebop is one of the most adult-oriented animes i have ever seen, blood [lots of it!], swearing, faye [hehehe] smoking, bebop is an anime that is truly aimed at adult audiences

There is now way in Hell that Bebop is gonna be shown on CN, and if they do they would slaughter it and i'd be pissed as hell ... perhaps america is just not ready for shows like bebop, obviously CN wouldnt edit anime if they didnt have to...

[Chibi Pimptress]

CN can and probably will have Cowboy Bebop on it's line-up one of these days. Butchered, but hey like what anime hasn't that was on CN? It's makes me kinda mad because it's like now everytime I start picking up a new anime series, a t.v. network starts showing it. I think it's making anime loose it's mystique. I mean that's was one of the greatest thing about being an anime fan (atleast for me), it wasn't mainstream and you may be like the only one in your school or neighborhood who knew about it.

[Hybrid]

Personally i dont want every tom, dick, and jane watching bebop. It just means that the true fans are gonna lose interest after it gets plastered all over everything and is butchered to hell. And of course there will be the ever present problem of explaining to a cn watcher, that they werent watching the actual anime, just a cut up, crappy, molested version of the anime.

[Killjoy]

Though I hate butchery of anime as much as the next guy, I have to agree with Dryden-san. The more they integrate better anime into TV, the more publicity it will get, and the more likely it is to be shown on other channels uncut (or as close to that as possible on non-HBO channels). I'd say a modified Midnight Run or a section of the Sci-Fi channel could definitely show close-to-unedited versions of good anime such as CB or Lain. I don't really see HBO doing anime, but if anime starts getting popular, good could come of exposure to American audiences of more mature/greater quality anime.

[Dryden-san]

Don't forget that CN did show Gundam Wing uncut on their midnight run. Of course all that meant was a little more blood and no more "I'll keep coming until I *stop* you," silliness. Oh, and they actually left the word 'damn' intact. Why didn't they show Tenchi or Outlaw Star uncut then? Well, as we all know, in the happily hypocritical little country we call the US, blood and violence is okay, but no sex. Sex is a no-no. Still, there is no nudity in Bebop. (Gren doesn't count.) Faye shows a lot of skin, I know, but they let Ryoko get away with showing a fair amount of cleavage even though they painted on those ridiculous bathing suits for the bath scenes.

I hope we'll never have to see Bebop being shown on the main Toonami block, but a late-night version COULD work. Leave in the blood, leave in the 'damns' (even if they take out the rest, damn is the most common swear), leave in Faye... Hell, the dub is one of the best I've seen so I can't complain about that. Bebop really is not worth showing to kids in any form, though. Most of it would just pass right over their heads. I'm not saying it would be easy, and if they ever do show it, I can guarantee some censor is going to get upset, but CN can make this work if they try.

I hope.

[heerogf]

CB dubb is one of my favorite, if not my all time favorite dubbed, but still, i wouldn't want to shown on Cartoon Network, sci-fi is okay, but i rather have it off mainstream

[Gundammi!]

CB on CN!? Hell no! It just wouldn't work and that mature audience thing isn't gonna work. Kids watch that channel 24/7. A bunch of right wing soccer moms would be all over this if it aired, look what happened when that kid bought hentai! That isn't even public! Good ---- anyway...

[Dryden-san]

Well you've got a point; no matter what time CN ended up showing it, some kid would see it and everyone would end up raising hell. The ideal channel would be HBO, but let's be realistic. How much animation do they show presently? I know Spawn is history. No, the sci-fi channel is our best bet for Bebop reaching a wider audience. Of course if you object to it going mainstream in the first place then there's really nothing else I can say.

By the way Gundammi, what incidence of a kid purchasing hentai are you referring to? I haven't heard of anything like that.

[Gundammi!]

You havn't heard?! Some kid bought hentai and, ah hell here it is...more proof that we americans are dumbasses
CHANNEL 15 'SDNEWS' THU MAR 01 02:32:09 2001

KIMBERLY:
They Are Called Anime. Japanese Cartoons, Popular With Kids. But Some
Are Filled With Nudity And Sexual Acts.

CAROL:
More Disturbing Is The Fact That Children Can Easily Gets Their Hands
On Them. We Are Here With The Unit 10 Investigation.

REPORTER:
These Cartoons Are Everywhere. Many Stores In San Diego Carry Them.
Even Schools Such As East Lake High Have Anime Clubs Where Kids Gather
To Watch These Popular Films, But Not All The Cartoons Are Innocent.

VOICEOVER:
The Anime Sells Like Crazy.

URSULA:
It Has No Benefit. There's No Redeeming Value To It Whatsoever.
I Mean, It's Just Shocking, Shocking To Me.

REPORTER:
Ursula Is A Mother Of Two. She's Never Heard Of Anime Movies. First
Time She Sees One She Is Visibly Uncomfortable. Her Head Shakes, And
Eyes Widen. The Cartoon Is So Sexually Explicit We Can't Even Show You
Parts We Showed Her

URSULA:
That's X-Rated As Far As I'm Concerned.

REPORTER:
The Majority Of Anime Cartoons Are Not Rated. This One Only Says Mature
Audiences. But Is Anyone Reading That Fine Print? We Wanted To See If
Ursula's Son, 13 Year Old John Paul Could Buy The Video.

URSULA:
Cold Steel, Hot Babes And Whips? I Don't Think That Would Be For
A 13 Year Old.

REPORTER:
Yet At Sun Coast The Store Manager Sells It To Him No Questions Asked.
When We Go In She Tells Us She Has Discretion Of What She Sells To Whom.
So What Happened Here?

STORE MANAGER:
I Saw It But A Lot Of These Are, It's Hard To Tell What They Are About.
So I Mean, It's, I Didn't See Any Nudity On The Front.

REPORTER:
At Tower Records John Paul Picks Up 2 Different Cartoon Videos. One Is
Marked 13 And Up. The Other 18 Years And Up. The Cashier Asks Him His
Age Then Refuses To Sell Him The Racier Tape.

MANAGER:
Hopefully All The Clerks Are Aware Of These Things.

REPORTER:
The Manager Says They Try To Keep Children From Buying Unsuitable
Videos But Employees Admit It Can Slip By Them.

EMPLOYEE:
Sometimes You Get Busy And Not Paying Attention.

REPORTER:
Still The Video Tape Our 13 Year Old Bought Has Violence And Nudity.
And There's No Law Out There That Says He Can't Buy It. There Is A
Law That Prohibits Retail Frers Selling Harmful Matter To Minors.
The Problem Says Sergeant Larry Wilkins Is The Vague Wording.

LARRY WILKINS:
It's Not A clearly Definitive Piece Of Legislation. It's One That
Is Open To Interpretation.

LARRY WILKINS:
In My Opinion It's Very Offensive But Does Not Qualify As Pornography.

GINA HOLLOWAY:
We Are Devaluing Women.

REPORTER:
Gina Holloway Is With Citizens For Community Values Of San Diego.
She Says Retailers Who Sell These Movies To Children Should Pay A Price.

GINA HOLLOWAY:
It's Illegal. You Are Not Supposed To Do That. It Can Be Upheld In Court.
It Needs To Be Prosecuted.

LARRY WILKINS:
It Hasn't Been Prosecuted Because It Hasn't Been Brought To Our Attention
Before This. Whether It's Prosecutable Or Not Remains To Be Seen.
We Have Homework To Do.

REPORTER:
Moms Like Her Hopes Law Enforcement Agencies Brush Up Quickly.

URSULA:
We Definitely Need To Do Something.

REPORTER:
The San Diego Police Advice Unit Plans On Investigating These Movies.
They Will Alert Retailers If They Deem The Material Harmful. At East Lake
High While They Don't Believe Any Of The Sexually Explicit Cartoons Have
Been Aired At The School They Suspended The Club Last Night Until They
Know A Little Bit More About Them.

CAROL:
Even What You Shows Was A Little Tough To Watch.

REPORTER:
Yes. And I Couldn't Show All Of It.

KIMBERLY:
We Keep Talking About Sexual Content Of These Videos For Children And
Violence And We Keep Making Them More And More Sexual And Violent.

REPORTER:
They Are Popular And Making Money. We'll See Them On The Shelves.

CAROL:
Thank You.


Hahahahah dumbasses!!!! Pure and simple!!!! It was on my old board. I still can't believe you don't know.

[snoKat 15]

I's stuff like that that really pisses me off. Come on! When I was 11, I was aloud to watch stuff rated 18+ and my parents didn't care. I don't have any mental problems that interfere with my life. That's the thing, the News never shows the GOOD side of things, they can only critisize. Yet, I am sitting here,m critisizing them. If they liked anime, they would know just how I feel about censorship. It's kind of hard to put into words, though. Yet I am very angry over that. Back to the topic of Cowboy Bebop... I think it'd be really funny if they showed it on CN. Then, I could watch it and laugh... although that would be putting down one of my favourite anime, in a sense. It isn't a kids anime. I grew up, ever since I was two being called a ------- bitch, and being hit, so I am used to it. But, in reality, when you think about stuff like that news report, it's not the kids that have a problem with the anime, they like it, it's their over-protective parents. About CN: the initial show would most-likely be 10 min. long or something, and have lots of comericials! I understand they are probably trying to entertain kids, but, they could just end up with another News report like that one. Anyway, I know CB isn't a kids anime, but the rating system is screwed up. Bye. :)

[snoKat 15]

Oh, I forgot, this will also bring even tighter restrictions on anime because some adults can't handle it, but kids can. Lovely. Not that I have ever bought Anything that I "shouldn't" have. The local anime store is 45 min. from my house by car(like I am gonna walk that far) and I can't drive, so I go with a parent. ...sometimes my father asks me to go... which is strange, considering he can go if he wants to, his car, not mine..... eh, I always seem to wander way off the topic.Yes, CB would be good for Sci-Fi. Even if they censor the swear words, people can live without them... atleast it probably won't be butchered if it is put on Sci-Fi.

[Killjoy]

I'd say any exposure to mainstream American audiences of anime is good exposure--I'd say that when the "pokemon generation" matures, good anime could become much more publicized in America, ideally on a late showing of CN or on Sci-Fi. Of course, ignorance on the part of foolish adults can't be helped.

[BigShot Jordan]

It could be possible for Cowboy Bebop to be broadcasted on Cinemax also.Don't forget that they broadcast that "Quear as Folk" show.

see you space cowboys.

[DracoFirst]

Bebop on Cartoon Network...that's all I need to see. Just be glad Bandai has the rights to it and not Dic, eh? Besides, why would they want it, they're already butchering Outlaw Star a.k.a. Cowboy Bebop Lite (not as entertaining but better for you). Btw, whoever mentioned Faye's cleavage...what about Judy's cleavage every time they show BigShot? ^_^ I don't even want to know what they'd do to Gren (worst case scenario I guess they could swing a crossover and claim Gren is one of the Starlights from Sailor Moon) :-P

[BigShot Jordan]

oh, yeah I forgot about Judy. Well I guess they would do some of that digital editing stuff like they did with Tenchi Muyo.

As for Gren, they would change his voice to a womens voice or completely skip the Jupiter Jazz episodes(some of the best in the series). I have to admit that that crossover idea may work for them though :lol:

see you space cowboys.

[Gundammi!]

Jupiter Jazz was my fav...