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Icantpickascreename 16-07-2003 05:39 PM

What was the deal with Kozue being a Rose Bride? How come Saionji didn't have his own rose bride? (Has only seen ep. 4-26)

Anshi 16-07-2003 08:51 PM

The "rose brides" all have a special connection to the duelist. The "rose brides" are the reasons why they duel. Utena duels because Anthy is her friend and she wants to protect Anthy from harm. Miki duels because he loves his sister but she keeps hurting him. All the "rose brides" work with Akio and tempt the duelist into fighting Utena wheather they want to or not.

Why Saionji did not have a rose bride? I can't answer that.

Icantpickascreename 16-07-2003 09:48 PM

So Saionji doesn't get a Rose Bride for an unknown reason. What about Juri and Touga? (assuming they will duel) Do they get Rose Brides?

On another note: What's the difference between the Sword of Dios and the Sword of Nobility besides the fact that Anthy has Dios in her heart, and Utena's heart is filled with a noble aura? Why did the Sword of Dios disappear?

Aku Shi 06-08-2003 04:01 AM

Umm.... Ok, I'm going to have to disagree on something here. There is only one Rose Bride. One TRUE Rose Bride, that is. And that's Anthy. She is the key to the "Something Eternal," the castle in the sky, the power to revolutionize the world, whatever you choose to call it. No one else can be the Rose Bride BUT her. Mikage tries to turn his little boy-toy into the Rose Bride, but fails (mostly because everyone they send to beat Utena loses). Once you get closer to the end, you'll see what the Rose Bride is, and why she holds the power that she does.

Icantpickascreename 06-08-2003 09:17 AM

I understand who the "real" Rose Bride is, but that does not clarify the fact that other Rose Brides started to appear. Sure, we know that Anthy is the "real" Rose Bride, but who are the others? Don't tell me Mitsuru will be Nanami's...

Aku Shi 06-08-2003 12:38 PM

Um. No. They aren't Rose Brides. Like I said, there is only one Rose Bride. There can't be any others. Just because they are dressed up in pretty dresses doesn't make them a Rose Bride. They are simply dressed like that much for the same reason the duelists dress as princes. It doesn't make the duelists princes just because of what they wear. It doesn't make the girls Rose Brides just because they wear a dress. You see? The POINT of the duels is to WIN the ROSE BRIDE. What good would it do if just anyone could become a Rose Bride, then?

My assumption is that they are simply there as supporters for the duelists. They are someone close to them that they care about and therefore have the power to draw forth their sword. If you were to call them Rose Brides, then you are saying Saionji is one, since he is the one that is there to draw Touga's sword for him. It's just not like that.

Icantpickascreename 07-08-2003 09:34 AM

Alright, so they're more like the duelist's helper...The one who calls upon the power of their sword. That makes sense because if they were "real" Rose Brides, then somebody would have brought revolution preceeding Utena.

Thanks for clarifying.

bigbi 09-04-2005 07:42 PM

A person's rose bride is a person they place their trust and love. Saionji does not believe in friendship, so he does not have a rose bride.

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