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Bomberman00004 29-11-2000 10:09 PM

i dont know if this has been posted before, but what happened in the first episodes of card captor sakura? the ones that werent shown on kids wb...

Barret 29-11-2000 10:55 PM

Girl opens book....
Tarot cards fly away...
Stuffed animal comes out...
Stuffed animal helps girl find cards...

That's what I got from watching the intro sequence....

LP 29-11-2000 11:23 PM

Yup. Barret has got it more or less. ^_^

And please! Don't get me started on CardCRAPtors (meaning the dub), because I can get very pissed when thinking about it. Card Captor Sakura (the original uncut and totally awesome), on the other hand, is a GREAT series!

If I see another episode of CardCraptors, I'm gonna hurl a brick at the tv.

Bomberman00004 29-11-2000 11:45 PM

so why didnt they show the episodes on tv? what was in them that made them not show them?

Barret 29-11-2000 11:53 PM

Uhh, cause it's called 'Americanizing' and that's what happens to anime when it goes on to network TV.

Yui_Reborn 30-11-2000 12:33 AM

the reason they cut out that episode is because Li wasn't in it was only about the girl character. They wanted to capture the pokemon/digimon audience, and by having the first episode be about Sakura only it would establish her as the main character, and then a lot of boys wouldn't want to watch it.

You'll notice that they often make it seem in the American version that Li and Sakura have equal billing, when it's obvious that Sakura is THE main character in the original. Apparently boys will accept a female co-lead (like Misty in Pokemon), but Sakura being the lead would have been too "girly", then they wouldn't be able to sell the merchandise to these kids.

Of course the goal behind every cartoon is money, but it's one thing to make money off of a good show, and another thing to cut a show to pieces and try to make it something it's not just for the sake of money.....I agree with you 100% LP.

LP 30-11-2000 01:27 AM

What Yui_Reborn posted is totally correct. (wow, seems like there are people here who really know their stuff!)

To add to that post, the "americanization" of this particular series was not only to make young "boys" like them, but also to censor a lot of "inappropriate" elements of the story from youngsters.

1) The "homosexual themes." : If anybody read the interview done by ... oh ... fantasticon was it? anyway, they said they cut out the scenes between sakura and tomoyo, as well as li and sakura's bro's friend. They said that kind of "stuff" was not suitable for kids. BS. They show that kinda stuff and MORE to the same age group in Japan. :D

2) The relationship between Sakura and Sakura's Bro's Friend (what's his name again?): I'm not sure why they cut this out. Maybe the company doesn't want 10 year old girls going out with 17-18 year old guys???

3) Male protagonists: They wanted to market Li, and that is OBVIOUS. They tried the same thing with Escaflowne. Hitomi is the main character, but they tried to market Van on an equal level as Hitomi. But with CC, they started with episode 8, when Li arrives (I think). Sakura ain't the main character anymore peoples ...

Oh I could go on. But the gist of what I'm trying to say is that the north american dubbed version is really bad and completely ****ed up. One GOOD thing about this is that the dvds coming out are only sub or dub.

And that's all for now folks!

heerogf 30-11-2000 01:59 AM

i read this really good article about cardCRAPtor and nelvana in T.H.E.M. anime review website

Of All Things Nelvana and Card Captor (Sakura?)

It is a sad day for anime fans, for the worst has come to pass. On August 12, 1999, Nelvana Limited announced the acquisition of Card Captor Sakura as the series Card Captor. Not one mention is made to the quality of the series, and how children all over Japan enjoy it. Not one mention is even made of the creators, CLAMP, or their cute manga that spawned it all. All that is mentioned is the money-making potential of the series, and how Cardcaptor is poised to be a "highly-visible and successful merchandising brand." Never mind the show itself, which is probably going to be mangled into unrecognizability.

Fellow anime fans, we have a new martyr to North American commercialism, and it is our beloved Kinomoto Sakura, soon to be renamed "Niki" for our consumption. Nelvana doesn't care about the quality of a show, as long as it has a "strong potential to build our merchandising revenues and profits.'' Their foray into the "exciting world of ``Anime''" is as sad as you can get. Never mind that it's a window into another culture, that it's entertaining and charming. It's "well-received and profitable", and that's the bottom line.

Not that Nelvana has a very good track of keeping things authentic. Elfquest was almost turned into a downright cloying kiddie show, rather than the epic saga it is. Leetah, for example, actually had a skin-tone change planned, because mixed-race marriages were taboo. Never mind this was in the late 1980s... And this company hasn't really done much since to raise our expectations of it.

Even DiC, FUNimation, and 4Kids have made attempts to keep their respective shows as close to the originals as deemed possible. Sailormoon didn't have nearly as much chopped out as we thought it would, and it retained much of the plot and characterization. Dragon Ball Z didn't even have name changes! They remained Goku, Gohan, and Trunks - very little of that anime was really changed by release. And Pokemon is actually very faithfully done.

Card Captor, though, brings the state of anime in America straight back to the 1980s with its blatant "Americanization". Nelvana apparently doesn't care about what anime fans want, anyway - that's not their audience to begin with. They want to make money off the children of America with toys based on some marketable show from Japan, because anime is "exciting" and popular. They seem to think Card Captor will make them the Pokemon billion by virtue of simply having cards (which aren't even part of a game, but more a magical tarot deck than anything). It's downright sickening, and Nelvana really shows its ignorance.

Nelvana has no right to be releasing anime in North America, but apparently, money talks more than actual artistic integrity here. Nelvana hasn't even produced anything of note in the last decade. Can you remember anything important distributed or created by Nelvana in the '90s? *cricket chirp* I didn't think so. Anime fans ought to be incensed by this blatant travesty. It's bad enough that once-reputable companies are throwing out half-hearted dub jobs because they know it will sell with the trendy club-kid crowd, who seem to have adopted "anime" as the "with-it" thing to do...but to do this to an anime as charming and beloved as Card Captor Sakura (oh wait, she's Niki now) is purely unforgivable.

It's events like this that are making it hard for us to be *genuine* anime fans here in America. We're surrounded by the specter of anime every day, but it's been commercialized and altered to such an unrecognizable form that it breaks our hearts to see it. Seeing DBZ and Sailormoon to sell skateboards and drug paraphernalia is simply disgusting. And most of the people wearing the trendy "anime" baby-T's don't even know which series or what characters are emblazoned on their shirts. (Case in point: a Saber Marionette J baby-T encountered on ASU campus - she bought it at Urban Outfitters for $20 because "it looked cool". She had no clue there was a TV show based on the characters at all.) People don't even attempt to go beyond a surface "appreciation" of the anime "look" to find out what it actually stands for, and Nelvana simply reinforces it with its business-only announcement of Card Captor.

Well, they're not getting any money from me. I know that's a small thing to say in the world of business, but I have never wanted to boycott a company so much as now. The moment I saw CCS for the first time off my third-generation fansubs, it was pure magic. And it still is. But I refuse to contribute to the bastardization of anime in America. And neither should anyone else.

I'm not a fan of anime because it's "hip" or "edgy". I will restate this again: anime is a *medium* which is a reflection of Japanese society, good or bad. And it's a great way to tell a story. But when I see Americans dismissing it as just something cool-looking to wear out at the raves, it sickens me to no end. This is not the future I wanted anime to have in America...and I hope the fad dies soon. I don't care if I have to go to Japan to get my anime now, but I'll be DAMNED if I sit back and watch as North American pop culture destroys yet another artform in the name of the almighty dollar.

How dare you, Nelvana. Card Captor Sakura is not a jewel to be plundered. It is a genuine gem in the art of animation to be appreciated for what it is, and not for its profit value. I seriously doubt CLAMP was thinking about money when they first started the manga, and you shouldn't be only thinking money as you go into this project. We want genuine quality in our Japanese animation, not some recombined mess that you deem appropriate. Must you sacrifice Sakura, and Japanese culture, in this way?

I'll just buy the import LDs and skip this nonsense altogether. I refuse to feed my hard-earned money to this monster of commercialism.

prolly the exact same thing i would say :up:

[Edited by heerogf on 30-11-2000 at 04:01 PM]

Mika-chan 30-11-2000 02:06 AM

CardCRAPtors sux majorly! The voices, the edits, the music ugh! They even changed personalities!

But I digress. I got to see the first Cardcaptor Sakura DVD and Pioneer did an EXCELLENT job! First off, they translated the openings and closing in English and romaji! That's the first time I've seen that, so I don't know if any other DVD's have it. The DVD's default is unsubtitled, you have to go to the menu to turn them on before watching the show, and it has *accurate* character information (Sakura's info is only on the first DVD though). The translation is pretty good, and they didn't translate Sakura's "Hoe" like some fansubs do. I was really impressed by Pioneer, so I suggest all CCS fans check out the DVD! ^_^

Animeman 12-11-2001 02:14 PM

Another reason they didn't show the beginning episodes first and skipped around, was b/c they probably wanted to show the more action packed or more "interesting " episodes to get everyone going. That's what I read in one magazine.
I'm gonna buy the DVDs, I'd much rather see it from first to last.

Foxxe 12-11-2001 10:12 PM

I'm glad my local dub didn't change a whole lot. Even kept the questionable topics in.

Mmeeva 14-11-2001 12:10 AM

They did eventually show it, but the way they showed it was as a flashback.

I didn't see the beginning of that episode so I actually thought it was the first episode, with very few cuts from what I could see, but as it hit the end, it turned out to be a flashback, and at the end they captured the Sand card.

What a stupid way to show the first episode...

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