What if.....

[Mad Hellian]

Here you can ask questions, let other members try to draw out the outcome or you do it yourself

What if Raditz had come back in the Saiya-jin Saga and joined the Z Team?
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Since he was stronger then Goku to begin with he would of made it to King Kai's quicker then Goku and also would of been able to complete the Kaioken training before Goku could arrive, he'd mastered a Double Kaioken attack so King Kai pleaded for him not to exceed a Triple.Raditz simply trained by himself after Goku arrived, occassionally sparing with his younger Brother each one teaching the other a few new tricks.The Saiya-jins arrive, 1 day before while King Kai and Goku were asleep Raditz journeyed back to the Check in station, the next morning despite the fact Raditz wasent around Goku went ahead and told the Gang the plan(To wish back anyone killed by Piccolo a year ago, in that case them).Raditz's halo dissapeared and he quickly went to Earth alone without a second thought to confront Nappa and Vegeta himself because all his life Vegeta always bragged about how superior he was to both Raditz and Nappa.Raditz arrived in the wilderness in time to help fight the Saibamen, he easily dispatched them all then went head to head with Nappa easily taking him down, but without warning Vegeta shot off Raditz's tail and ordered Nappa to transform, Goku was racing against time to get there with King Kai telling him about the fight as he went along.Nappa did indeed transform, warning Vegeta to close his eyes before he did so, The Z Crew(consisting of Krillin, Yamcha, Tien, Chaou Zu, Raditz, and Gohan) battled the mighty beast with everything they had, but the giant Saiya-jin was just too much.Tien finally was able to confuse Nappa long enough with his Multiform technique allowing Krillin to use his Kienzan to chop off Nappa's tail returning him to normal size, though wounded Raditz used Kaioken to put an end to Nappa.Unfortunately he overdid it having to use the Kaioken attack many times while Nappa was an Oozaru, with this he was maxed out.Vegeta began his assault on the Z Crew, easily killing off Yamcha then Tien.The battle wasent in favor of Earth's Special forces, finally Goku arrived and things began to shift.The Battle between Goku and Vegeta was pretty much the same, only Goku was able to get a few more senzu then originally.Krillin had one,Gohan had one,and Raditz had one.Goku had 2 beans left, he had just done the Kaioken Kame Hame Ha and was fighting for his life against Vegeta, after Goku get's his legs crushed Raditz can take no more and interveins along with Piccolo and Chaou Zu.Chaou Zu and Piccolo are both sevrely injured but not killed, Raditz manages to live and gives Goku one of the two remaining Senzu beans he had handed him earlier.With this Goku stands, he and Raditz do a Kaioken x 10 Kame Hame Ha(with power donated from Piccolo, Gohan, Chaou Zu,and Krillin) each to bring Oozaru Vegeta to his knees and eventually allowing Yajirobe to detransform and slice off Vegeta's tail.Goku asks them not to kill Vegeta and passes out along with his older bro.Piccolo,and Chaou Zu die from donating all their power.

Bulma, Gohan,and Krillin head onto Namek whilst Raditz and Goku recover and begins copying Nappa's space pod(Raditz was able to stop Bulma from using the remote, he used it instead and was able to get it to CC safely).It takes a little longer then originally, so the Brothers are delayed about 5 days, thanks to the fact Vegeta got more of a beating he was able to over power Recoome but they were all still captured and tortured for the password.Finally The Saiya-jin Brothers arrived, broke their friends out from the prison and took out the remaining Ginyu.The Frieza Battle came up, Goku was out from the Captain Ginyu confrontation thus he was in a healing tank, the others went at Frieza all alone.Raditz didnt bother using Kaioken at first, he wanted to wait for Frieza for the right time so he could wait for Goku to come in and hopefully get the job done, once Frieza was in his third form the Mighty Saiya-jin stopped holding back and went Kaioken on Frieza's Xenomorph queen lookin ass.But in his 4th state Raditz was too tired to continue the fight and was beaten, however Dende healed him of course like he did the others, Goku came out and did his brawl with Frieza.Same ending to the Namek Saga pretty much, except after the Nameks left while Raditz was seeking out his younger Brother he went to the new Namek and collected the Dragonballs wishing back his father Bardock.Another wish was for Bardock to be just as powerful as he, the 3rd wish was that Bulma had every model of Saiya-jin and Ice-jin armor ever made for duplication when he needed a new armor.Raditz and Bardock continued the search for Goku occassionally going back and forth to Earth.To make a long explanation short, Raditz and Bardock become full time Z Fighters and eventually like Goku they become Super Saiya-jins.

[orochi X]

Thats a pretty descriptive outcome youve written there Mad Hellian, are you a fanfic writer?

Raditz as a Z fighter, how about Turlus aswell?
All three Saiyan brothers fighting evil that be a site to see especailly if all 3 reach SSJ

My outcome is going to be short and lame, sorry but im not in the typing/imaginative mood.

(Im going with that Raditz still has the personality he has, not a new goody goody one)
If Raditz was a part of the Z team, i dont think he would be an effecient fighter i think he is too powerhungry and evil (by my guess you dont really get to know Raditz that well) I guess he will end up like YamCha or Tien useless

[Mad Hellian]

ahh but you're forgetting Vegeta my friend lol look how he turned out, he was like 100x more evil then Raditz.Raditz was willing to spare Gohan and make him apart of the Saiya-jin's little fighting force, Vegeta he didnt give a damn he just wanted to be all powerful.Therefore I think Rad would of developed feelings much more quickly then Vegeta, with having Bardock around there's no doubt he wouldnt of because when he died Bardock learned how important it is to care for your children thus he would of taught his oldest son the same.Turlis on the other hand I dont think he's Goku's bro, I think he's Bardock's brother because he knew about Goku getting launched thus he would of had to been older.Turlis was probably like Nappa, and Raditz out destroying other planets when the Planet Vegeta bit the big one.

[orochi X]

Originally posted by Mad Hellian
Turlis on the other hand I dont think he's Goku's bro, I think he's Bardock's brother because he knew about Goku getting launched thus he would of had to been older.

He is, but you cant really go with information from movies they dont tie in with the series.

Yes i did forget about Vegeta, so there still could be hope for Radditz

[Mad Hellian]

Indeed, no one else whats to play with any ideas? come on! somebody's gota have somethin.

[Belstephen]

Maybe later, I feel too braindead.

[Judai Ikari]

Alright..What if Furiza hadn't destroyed Planet Vegeta, but Bardock killed Furiza. Play it out, 'cuz I dun want to.

[Mad Hellian]

Originally posted by Judai Ikari
Alright..What if Furiza hadn't destroyed Planet Vegeta, but Bardock killed Furiza. Play it out, 'cuz I dun want to.

Right when Frieza's huge Ki ball hits Bardock, and rips off the top of his armor he screams out in a rage and manages to push back the Ki ball, sending a Ki beam of his own behind it.The Ki ball, followed by Bardock's Ki beam collide with Frieza pushing him back into his ship and destroying both of them.Bardock then disposed of the remaining Frieza forces that lurked around, he then looked up toward Coola's ship where Coola's Armor Corps meet him head on.Bardock faces them and easily dispatches them, Coola himself them comes forward to battle, their battle is long but once again Bardock prevails.Bardock returns to Planet Vegeta, going into a Healing tank to get his strength back.Meanwhile Prince Vegeta is called back from a mission by King Vegeta, he then issues a warrant for the arrests of the Ginyu Force and King Cold, King Vegeta sends them out to apprehend them all.Bardock wakes up an hour later, finds out about all this and quickly heads after the squad.By the time Bardock arrives, The Ginyu Force is making sport of the Saiya-jins even in Oozaru.Bardock goes SSJ once again and kills them all, returning home with the injured soldiers.The Saiya-jin army praises Bardock, however as Bardock takes the Ginyu Force to the dungeon he finds Paragas and Brolli half dead.Angered Bardock helps his fellow Saiya-jins and takes them both to some Healing Tanks, he quickly confronts King Vegeta about being a coward and fearing the power of a SSJ.King Vegeta orders Bardock killed on the spot, but suddenly a blast out of no where goes through King Vegeta, it's King Cold!.The Battle breaks out in the air space of Planet Vegeta as it did with King Cold's sons, after hours of non stop fighting Bardock finally goes Oozaru while in SSJ and finally crushes the final Ice-Jin.Bardock returns to Planet Vegeta, goes into the Healing Tank again.Meanwhile Paragas and Brolli awaken, deeply thankful that Bardock helped them.Bardock woke up hours later and exited the tank, being deemed the new King of Vegeta, Bardock declined saying it should be Prince Vegeta, he then went and summoned his oldest son Raditz and set out to find young Kakkarot a.k.a Goku.One the way, Bardock and Raditz had many talks over the radio and Raditz learned that corruption and cruelty was not what life was all about as taught to most Saiya-jins.When they arrived Bardock and Raditz tracked Goku to Gohan's but did not interupt Gohan's training and raising of the young Saiya-jin.Bardock and Raditz learned of the Dragonballs and went to collect them, once they had all 7 they wished that all planets destroyed by the Saiya-jin were returned to their places in the universe.1 year later the Dragonballs were recollected and they wished back all races terminated by the Saiya-jins before the battle with Frieza were brought back to life.The next year the Dragonballs were collected yet again, this time they wished for every planet destroyed by the Ice-jins(Frieza's people) were returned to their places in the solar universe.The next year same deal except they wished all people killed by the Ice-jins were returned to life.After Gohan died, Bardock and Raditz stepped forward training and teaching Goku their ways.SSJ Goku was lefted on Earth while Bardock and Raditz returned home only to find Prince Vegeta starving Bardock's teamates(who were wished back with the wish to revive all people kiled by the Ice-jins) as well as Bardock's wife,Paragas and his family.Bardock knew he had made a mistake and demanded they be released.In the end Bardock was forced to kill Vegeta and Nappa.While Raditz released the prisoners, Bardock told the Saiya-jins what he'd learned from the experience with Frieza and his family.The Saiya-jins learned from this and became The Defenders rather then Destroyers of the galaxy.Bardock,Raditz,Bardock's wife left the planet leaving Brolli to be the new king(he was a SSJ at birth so Bardock felt he should indeed become the new king).Paragas was the leader of the Saiya-jin army with his wife at his side, Bardock's team under his command.Goku's DB trainers still trained him, he stilled whooped all that ass cept alot quicker and alot easier.By DBZ Earth was peaceful.However fights arose with Cell, Bojack, Majin Buu, Janemba,and Hirudegarn.Goku, Gohan, Raditz, Bardock, Goten killed them all off.By the end of Z Raditz and Bulma had a few kids of their own, Bardock and his wife returned home to Planet Vegeta, Brolli ruled Planet Vegeta as a very fair and wise man beleiving in peace and harmony.The end

[Black_Knight]

Okay, What about it Dr. Gero turned good and the Andriods all did the 180? Except for Android 16, what a hunk…

[Mad Hellian]

Originally posted by Black_Knight
Okay, What about it Dr. Gero turned good and the Andriods all did the 180? Except for Android 16, what a hunk…

Well 16, and 18 were already good so there's really nothing to speculate there.Dr Gero would of probably created the Artificial Humans to help Goku and the others rather then try and destroy them and there's not much more to tell.Been cool though to of seen Cell vs. Buu
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Cell isnt the strongest of the Z Fighters, but he's one of the strongest.The World Tournament takes place, Babidi shows up.Rather then going up against Cell 7 years ago Gohan faced the evil Bojack, Cell goes at it with Dabura(he'd been training all these years) so Cell pretty much kicks his ass and steals his energy.Cell attempts to help Gohan fight Buu but his efforts are futile, everything else goes on pretty much the same until after Buu absorbs Gotenks and Piccolo.Cell and Gohan cnfuse Buu a great deal, Cell gets an idea that if he can absorb some of Buu he'll be able to defeat him, so and Gohan charge up their Kamehamehas, Cell uses Super Kaioken for extra power and he and Gohan fire them hitting Buu and blowing him to peices.Cell quickly opens the end of his tail up and starts tossing in little bits of Buu, after about 10 peices he shuts his tail and feels a bit stronger but not all that much more then he was.Buu reforms, he and Cell go head to head in a battle to the death.Meanwhile Gohan heads off as ordered by his Organic friend to go get some Senzu Beans.Dr Gero arrives with a newly rebuilt 19, and 16 he then orders them to wait.King Kai contacts Cell telepathically telling him the plan Dr Gero formulated in an attempt to make Cell stronger(Cell had absorbed Artificial Humans 13 and 14 to go perfect rather then 17 and 18), Cell smirked even though Buu was beating him to a pulp.17 and 18 showed up to help their fellow Artificial Human.While 17 and 18 got their asses handed to them this gave Cell time to fly over to Gero, 19, and 16 and absorb them through his tail.Now powered up Cell flew toward Buu, began battling with him the odds going up in his favor some what but still mostly in Buu's. Finally Gohan returned with the Senzu Beans, Gohan yelled out to Cell saying he was back.Cell quickly flew down at Gohan and grabbed one of the Senzu Beans from the bag eating it, it was clear to see Gohan had already eaten one, Cell then grabbed the bag and swallowed it saying "WE CANT LET HIM GET THESE AWAY FROM US!" just then Buu elbowed Cell to the ground, ----- slapped Gohan with his forelock(the thing that hangs off his head).Cell lifted his hand and shouted "BIG BANG ATTACK" and blasted off the upper half of Buu, quickly puking up the bag and tossing it to 18 so her and 17 could heal.The battle continued on until The Gotenks fusion wore off, uh oh Buu not good.Elsewhere Dende was going into Dr Gero's lab for reasons unknown, back to the fight with Buu.Cell smirked and said "Looks like you ------ up..." Cell then began giving Buu the hardest and most vicious beating Buu had ever received.Just then Goku returned with the Potara Earrings and asked Gohan to fuse with him.Gohan drops the earring, Buu gets an idea.Buu tears off a peice of himself and flings it toward Gohan.Cell shouts out "NO!" and quickly uses Instaneous Movement to teleport infront of the skin and allow it to devour him(Cell felt for Gohan what both Goku and Piccolo did combigned).Buu asborbed Cell and became all powerful.Gohan found the Earring and he and Goku formed Gokan.Gokan remained normal but was able to beat the living ---- out of Buu's oversized Gum ball ass.Vegeta arrived and watched as Father and Son had combigned.The battle continued, finally Buu had enough and began charging a huge Genki Dama from his own energy and that of the spirits that lurked on hell.Gokan began charging an Ultimate Kamehameha.Meanwhile Vegeta loaned Gokan his power but it wasent going to be enough, King Kai contacted all people accross the Galaxy to lend Gokan their power this Ultimate Kamehameha.The attacks were released, The Ultimate Kamehameha was able to push back the Evil Genki Dama right into it's maker and vanquish Buu from existence.However Gokan wanted to get the others out, so he quickly used Instantaneous Movement for he and Vegeta to got to the Realm of the Kaioushin.Kaioushin agreed that if Gokan and Vegeta could get Majin to get vast ammounts of holy water into his body he would have to release all of their friends and family, so the made tons of choclate with the ingredient of holy water and were transported by Kaioushin(a.k.a Kaibit) to hell in order to find Majin Buu and when they did they offered him the candy, reluctantly accepting Majin Buu ate all the candy and let all their friends free from his being.After this Cell tracked down Babidi and absorbed him, now with Babidi's knowledge he put Buu back in his prism forever.The Fighters got out of hell thanks to Kaioushin, collected the DB's and wished everyone back.The End

[Black_Knight]

Nice, okay, what if everyone favorite hero Mr. Satan was a Saiya?

[Mad Hellian]

Originally posted by Black_Knight
Nice, okay, what if everyone favorite hero Mr. Satan was a Saiya?

He'd still slapped around like the ----- he is, only he'd benefit from the beatings.

[orochi X]

Originally posted by Black_Knight
Nice, okay, what if everyone favorite hero Mr. Satan was a Saiya?

He will just be a Saiyan with his powers, but he would be able to go SuperSaiyan if he trained enough.

[Mad Hellian]

Originally posted by orochi X


He will just be a Saiyan with his powers, but he would be able to go SuperSaiyan if he trained enough.

Give him 30+ yrs at his pl lmao.

[Night Sabre 2040]

well raditz ssj3 would have alot of hair

its always good to say "wat if" but the reality is anything culd come up wed have posts goin over there maxium lengh 22000 characters