I never knew Degwin Sodo Zabi piloted Mobile Suits... (Lord_Satorious's error)

Black_Knight · 29-06-2003, 11:31 PM

http://www.geocities.com/gundam_other/msdev_2.html

section 5. Variations
5a. Zaku Variations

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As numerous variations of Zaku were being developed, many pilots were demanding an advanced combat unit. By improving the C-Type, the MS-06S Zaku II and the MS-06FS Zaku II were created. Zeon pilots that controlled these improved versions included the "Red Comet" Major Char Aznable, Lieutenant General Degwin Sodo Zabi, and Colonel Garma Zabi.

Man, if I new the elderly could do that, we could have a lot more mobile suit pilots!

Lord_Satorious · 30-06-2003, 12:06 AM

I didn't write that. Well OK, I did type it, but those are not my words. They are taken directly from Tokyopop's Gundam technical manuals, so I cannot attest to their accuracy. I blame Tokyopop for their often poor translation, and I would obviously know that it's probably Dozle and not old man Degwin.

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Eddy · 30-06-2003, 08:52 AM

mr.potato head piloting a zaku? lol that would be a laugh.

MauveVandal · 30-06-2003, 01:30 PM

Psh, Gundam Manuals are rarely worth trusting. They do throw in alot of facts that aren't there, like one of the Entertainment Bibles says the GM production number is 288, yet its clearly obvious there has to be more. Exactly how do the top 8 Zeon aces get a kill total 1,222 thats obviously more than the projected number, or all the RB-79 Balls plus 22 extra ones. I'd rather just read the study the manga than go by some crap information like Gundam Officials.

Lord_Satorious · 30-06-2003, 04:30 PM

Well the Entertainment Bible is an older publication and many fans are aware that it's hardly 100% factual. However, Gundam Officials is much, much newer and although it's several hundred pages thick, I'd say it's a very reliable source of information. Lots of little bits of info that you wouldn't find anywhere else. The MG model kit manuals also have some good information on the description pages.

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Anwar · 01-07-2003, 11:33 AM

Okay, I understadn how the Zabis could all have such high ranks in the military, but how the heck did Char get to Major by the age of 19 in MSG? Even real life Aces didnt' get promotions like that one or 2 years out of training.

MauveVandal · 01-07-2003, 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by Anwar
Okay, I understadn how the Zabis could all have such high ranks in the military, but how the heck did Char get to Major by the age of 19 in MSG? Even real life Aces didnt' get promotions like that one or 2 years out of training.

During The Battle of Loum (the first major space battle) Char was a Lieutenant Junior Grade, he performed a great feet by destroying 5 Federation ships by himself. This became known as "Char's Five Leaps" and its what earned him the nickname "Red Comet". I believe he got a two rank promotion after the battle, IIRC.

Anwar · 01-07-2003, 07:31 PM

Is it possible to get a 2 rank promotion in the real military for something like that? I thought it was usually a posthumourous award.

Githon · 01-07-2003, 08:35 PM

I don't think anyone in a real military has done anything like Char did. It's like a guy in a private plane taking out several aircraft carriers with a shotgun

. Okay, well not NEARLY as unbalanced as that, but it's at least a funny thought

Black_Knight · 01-07-2003, 09:49 PM

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Originally posted by Githon
I don't think anyone in a real military has done anything like Char did. It's like a guy in a private plane taking out several aircraft carriers with a shotgun . Okay, well not NEARLY as unbalanced as that, but it's at least a funny thought

It's logical, seeing if he conservitivly used his bazooka, firing at the weakness of the ships or the command bridge, that always seems to blow up then entire ship no matter what side they are on...

Lord_Satorious · 02-07-2003, 01:31 PM

Battleships in Gundam are far too weak or mobile suits are far too strong. They should really be able to hold together far better than they do. Gundam SEED is even worse, with an entire fleet being taken out by ZAFT mobile suits. One mobile suit (1 aircraft) equals several million versus one battleship (one battleship) equals several billion. How can they possibly continue the war after losing that much material in a single battle? Taxes on Earth must be like 85%.

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Lengis · 02-07-2003, 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by Lord_Satorious
Battleships in Gundam are far too weak or mobile suits are far too strong. They should really be able to hold together far better than they do. Gundam SEED is even worse, with an entire fleet being taken out by ZAFT mobile suits. One mobile suit (1 aircraft) equals several million versus one battleship (one battleship) equals several billion. How can they possibly continue the war after losing that much material in a single battle? Taxes on Earth must be like 85%.

It really makes sense though. That was the 8th fleet that was obliterated by the Gundams. The armor on those ships aren't exactly like an AT-Field, and the Gundams are faster, and much more maneuverable.

In real life it's basically the same deal. A cruiser or destroyer is no match against a wing of F/A-18's loaded with cruise missles. Remember Pear Harbor? Bombers annihilated the battleships in port there.

Faster/Maneuverable/Heavyfirepower > Slow/Armored/Heavyfirepower

Lord_Satorious · 02-07-2003, 02:30 PM

That's true, but the old battleships of the 1940s didn't go down after a single bomb hit (unless they hit the ammunition stores, which was only possible back then because they didn't have armored decks). They were bombarded by hundreds of aircraft. A battleship has several times the armor of an aircraft (and a mobile suit as well). If an aircraft or a mobile suit can down an enemy aircraft or mobile suit in a single shot, then by can the same aircraft or mobile suit do the same to a battleship? I'm not debating if a mobile suit can take out a battleship. I'm saying they can do it too easily.

Cruise missiles can't be carried by fighter aircraft. They're generally fired from ships or dropped by large bomber aircraft. A F-22 can't carry a Tomahawk because it's too big and heavy.

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Anwar · 03-07-2003, 10:48 AM

You'd thinka fter the OYW that the feddies and Zeon's would've increased the shielding around the command deck. I mean in CCA Quess blows up the bridge of a battleship with one a few shots from her rifle.

Hell, if an I-Field generator could be made for Mobile Armors, they should try and put them on battleships or carriers more often.

Lengis · 03-07-2003, 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by Lord_Satorious
That's true, but the old battleships of the 1940s didn't go down after a single bomb hit (unless they hit the ammunition stores, which was only possible back then because they didn't have armored decks). They were bombarded by hundreds of aircraft. A battleship has several times the armor of an aircraft (and a mobile suit as well). If an aircraft or a mobile suit can down an enemy aircraft or mobile suit in a single shot, then by can the same aircraft or mobile suit do the same to a battleship? I'm not debating if a mobile suit can take out a battleship. I'm saying they can do it too easily.

I don't know about the Gundam universe, in terms of armor to weapon ratio, but in the real world, it's pretty much come to the point where having armor is mostly a burden than a benefit. If the target is armored, you just use a more explosive missle, and it's scrap. Tanks are worthless against a hellfire missle, just one can kill it. Same goes for warships and antiship missles, or torpedos.

Stealth, speed, and maneuverability are more important in this day and age. If you can't hit the target, that's the best kind of armor you can get.

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Cruise missiles can't be carried by fighter aircraft. They're generally fired from ships or dropped by large bomber aircraft. A F-22 can't carry a Tomahawk because it's too big and heavy.

Excuse me, not cruise missles, but anti ship missles like the Harpoon missle. They are just as effective as killing ships, and can be carried on attack aircraft. BTW, it's not fighter aircraft that engage ground/surface targets usually, fighters are mostly for air to air, it's attack aircraft that deal with surface targets. The F/A-18 can do both roles.