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Old 29-04-2008, 03:29 PM   #76   [permalink]
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Over at CBR, folks organized a fun lil´bame where you enter a lottery to get an european country for which you have to create a superhero.

I gots... Finland!




Chu think?

Codename: Suoma Ilmarinen
Real name: Suoma
Country: Finland
Age: aprox 2,000
Height: 1,95 meters
Weight: 200 kilos
Powers: class 80 strenght, mach 5.5 (electromagnetic) flight, personal electromagnetic forcefield, ability to absorb and emit electrical blasts. Suoma can boost her superconductive brain performance for a short period of time, allowing her to acchieve 2-minute bursts of superspeed and perform feats such as running at 800 km/h or dodging multiple machinegun fire at close range.

Origin: A bride of gold forged by the legendary immortal craftsman Seppo Ilmarinen to replace his murdered wife, Suoma was repudiated by him due to her cold, hard metalic touch, unaware that the golem was actualy inhabited by a shard of the soul of his departed wife.
Calling herself Suoma, she traveled the world for centuries looking with no success for ways to get a human body.
Returned to Finland after the Cold War, she eventualy adopted the name of her creator and was recruited into the country´s superhero program and, due to her expertise on numerous fields gathered over the centuries, quickly rose in the ranks of the European Community´s Rapid Response Task Force.
Although not as gifted as her immortal creator Seppo Ilmarinen (who could build anything), Suoma´s craftmanship allowed her to perfect her magical body of gold and incorporate next generation technology that allows her to face the threats of the XXI century.

Weaknesses: Suoma is secretly consumed by the desire to have a warm human body

---------------------------------------------------Extract from the Poems of Kalevala-------------------------

ILMARINEN'S GOLD AND SILVER BRIDE
Craftsman Ilmarinen wept
Every evening for his woman,
Weeping sleepless through the nights
And fasting through the days;
In the early hours complaining,
Every morning sighing for her,
Lamenting for his lovely lost one,
For his dear one in the grave.
For a month he swung no hammer,
Did not touch the copper handle, 10
And the clinking forge was silent.

13 Said the craftsman Ilmarinen:
"I, poor fellow, do not know
How to live or how survive;
Sitting up or lying down
Nights are long and time is tedious.
I am troubled, low in spirit.

19 "Lonely are the nights now, lonely
And the mornings dreary, dreary.
In my sleeping I am troubled, 20
But the waking is the saddest.
It's not for evening that I'm lonely,
Not for morning that I'm dreary,
Not for olden times lamenting,
But I'm lonely for my loved one,
Dreary for the missing of her,
Lamenting for my dark-browed lovely.

29 "Often in these days it happens,
Happens in my midnight dreaming
That I stretch my hand out touching, 30
Touching something that is nothing,
Some impalpable revival,
Odd illusion of her loins."

35 For a time he lives on wifeless,
Growing old without a woman.
After mourning two months, three months,
On the fourth he went to work.
From the sea he gathered gold,
From the billows gathered silver
And collected stacks of firewood, 40
Thirty sledge loads altogether;
Burned the firewood down to charcoal,
With the charcoal fueled his furnace.

45 Then he took those golden coins
And he chose those silver pieces,
Just the weight of autumn ewe
Or the heft of winter hare.
Put the silver and the gold
Into the furnace of his smithy;
Set the slaves to fan the fire 50
And the hirelings pumping on.

53 So the slaves then worked the bellows
With the hirelings pumping on,
With no mittens on their hands
And stripped naked to the waist,
While smith Ilmarinen himself
Was attending to the forging,
Trying to form a golden image,
To create a silver bride.

61 But the slaves are not performing 60
And the hirelings not producing.
So smith Ilmari himself
Now began to work the bellows.
He pumped once, he pumped twice;
After pumping for the third time
He looked down into his furnace,
Peering down beside the bellows-
What was coming from the forge,
What emerging from the fireplace?

71 From the forge a ewe is thrusting, 70
Forced out by the blowing bellows,
One hair gold, one hair copper
And each third one made of silver.
Others are well pleased with that,
But smith Ilmari himself
Is not pleased at all and says:

77 "You are what the wolf was wanting.
I myself am hoping for a
Golden sweetheart, bride of silver."
81 Then he shoved it in the fire, so
Added gold and added silver;
Set the slaves to work the bellows
With the hirelings pumping on.

87 So the slaves then worked the bellows
With the hirelings pumping on,
With no mittens on their hands
And stripped naked to their waist,
While smith Ilmarinen himself
Was attending to the forging,
Trying to form a golden image, 90
To create a silver bride.

95 But the slaves are not performing
And the hirelings not producing.
So smith Ilmari himself
Now began to work the bellows.
He pumped once, he pumped twice;
After pumping for the third time
He looked down into his furnace,
Peering down beside the bellows -
What was coming from the forge, 100
What emerging from the fireplace?

105 From the forge a colt was thrusting,
Forced out by the blowing bellows,
Mane of gold and head of silver,
While its hoofs were all of copper.
Others were well-pleased with it,
But smith Ilmari himself
Is not pleased at all and says:
111 "You are what the wolf was wanting.
I myself am hoping for a 110
Golden sweetheart, bride of silver."

115 Then he shoved it in the fire,
Added gold and added silver,
Set the slaves to work the bellows
With the hirelings pumping on.

121 So the slaves then worked the bellows
With the hirelings pumping on,
With no mittens on their hands
And stripped naked to the waist,
While smith Ilmarinen himself 120
Was attending to the forging,
Trying to form a golden image,
To create a silver bride.

129 But the slaves are not performing
And the hirelings not producing.
So smith Ilmari himself
Now began to work the bellows.
He pumped once, he pumped twice;
After pumping for the third time
He looked down into his furnace, 130
Peering down beside the bellows-
What was coming from the forge,
What emerging from the fireplace?

139 From the forge a girl is thmsting,
Girl with gold braids from the bellows,
Silver head with golden hair-
And a form so beautiful!
Others are frightened by the figure,
But the craftsman is not frightened.

145 Then he hammered without ceasing 140
To create the golden image,
Working all night without resting,
All the daytime without pausing;
Legs and arms he fashioned for her-
But the legs, they cannot walk,
And the hands cannot caress him.

153 Then the ears he molded for her-
But the ears, they do not hear him.
When he made a sweet mouth for her
It could speak no welcome to him; 150
When he made those bright eyes for her
They could not look sweetly at him.
159 Looking at her he considered:
"That would be one lovely girl
If she only could converse,
Had a mind, a speaking tongue."

163 But he took her to the tent bed
Underneath a gauzy netting,
Set her on the downy pillows
In the silken bridal bed. 160
167 Then he heated up the sauna,
Made it hot and vaporous,
Prepared the soap and leafy slappers,
Carried in three tubs of water
For the washing of the chaffinch,
For the cleansing of the bunting
From the gold dust of his labor.

175 There he bathed himself with pleasure,
Splashing to his satisfaction.
Then he stretched out by his bride 170
Within a sheer mosquito net,
Underneath a steely tent
Supported by an iron framework.
l8l On that first night, Ilmarinen
Feels the cold and wants more covers,
So he gets himself more covers,
Puts on two or three more bearskins,
Five or six more woolen blankets
To warm himself beside his wife,
By the side of that gold image. 180

189 Now, his side against the blankets-
That was warm enough for comfort,
But the side against the maiden,
Toward his precious golden image -
That was cold and freezing with hoarfrost
And was freezing into sea ice,
Stiffening into stony hardness.
197 Said the craftsman Ilmarinen:
"This is not so good for me;
I will take it to Vainola, 190
Take it to old Vainamoinen
As an ever faithful helpmate,
As a birdie for his bosom.

203 So he took it to him there.
"Here, old Vainamoinen," he said.
"Here's a virgin made for you,
Beautiful for you to look at -
And she is no big mouth either,
No chin-wagging chatterbox."
211 Old reliable Vainamoinen 200
Took but one look at the figure,
Cast a glance upon the gold:
"Why did you bring that to me,
That queer looking lump of gold?"
217 "For your good," said Ilmarinen,
"As an ever faithful helpmate,
As a birdie for your bosom."

221 Said old Vainamoinen shrugging:
"O you smith, my little brother!
Shove your girl into the fire. 210
Forge it into useful tools
Or then take it off to Russia
Or send it into Germany
For the rich to haggle over
Or great warriors to fight for.
It would not befit my kindred
And it would not suit me either
To go courting after gold
Or go chasing after silver."

233 Then he cautioned and he warned them, 220
He, the man of Quiet Water,
Now forbade the younger people,
All the growing generation
To debase themselves for gold
Or to scrape and fawn for silver,
And he said it in these words,
Pronounced it in these sentences:
"You poor boys, you growing men,
Whether you are rich or poor
Do not ever, ever at all 230
While the golden moonlight glimmers,
Ever woo a woman of gold
Or succumb to lures of silver.
'Frozen is the gleam of gold,
Icy is the shine of silver.'"
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Old 09-07-2008, 12:37 PM   #77   [permalink]
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Talking Supah-Supah GURRLS!

Somebody get them offa me, they´re everywhere!!



First one who says they look too young gets a trout over the head, m´kay?
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"It has testicles, you know."
"It could scarcely do without them."
"And what I can only describe as a very small vagina."
"Disgusting."
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Old 10-07-2008, 04:44 PM   #79   [permalink]
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"Pictures of Sunset" as a thread title suggests we'll finally get to see what our fav artist looks like.
I leave most disappointed =(
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It's already been established that he's a dude, what's wrong with you.
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Old 10-07-2008, 06:36 PM   #81   [permalink]
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Thanks, guys.

LOL
Yeah, don´t let the Boogiepop Phantom avatar fool ya, I´m all XY chromossomes over here.
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Who goes by avatar? A name like "sunset" screams to me "WOMAN!!"

God..and to think I actually looked at your art and LIKED IT. Well I wont make that mistake again.
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Well, in portuguese, sunset is a male name.
"Pôr do sol", crepúsculo", "lusco-fusco" ... all male. ^_^
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Old 10-07-2008, 08:24 PM   #84   [permalink]
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Originally Posted by Pengi_Ken-Ohki View Post
Who goes by avatar? A name like "sunset" screams to me "WOMAN!!"

God..and to think I actually looked at your art and LIKED IT. Well I wont make that mistake again.
I thought his art looked very masculine (was 90% sure he was a dude because of that).. I wasn't sure of the gender because of the name either tho.

Something about the way guys draw females..you can just tell
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Am I that transparent?
LOL
Yeah,most guys definitely draw in a very distinc way.
We also tend to devote more atention to certain aspects....
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heh well usually the harsh comic book type shading is something guys like to do more than girls.

I notice guys like to draw girls with very tiny waists that a woman wouldn't have past the age of 20-22ish but the rest of the body looks older like a full grown woman (if ya know what I mean) Your wonderwoman piece was pretty spot on though. Had it not been for the shading/harsh coloring I wouldnt have been able to guess either way.

Lol thank you for giving her realistic thighs...mine are looking more and more like that and you dont really see women in media with realistic looking anything anymore. Ugh.
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Yeah , I noticed in general that guys´art is more harsh everything, from composition to shading to coloring.

Female artists´work is often more soothing, soft and balanced.

Female artists tend to excel at coloring/painting, whereas most guys´ strenght is in shape/form/perspective.

There´s even a joke in CG circles where if you´re a guy, you´re probably a modeler and if you´re a girl, you´re probably a texture artist. ^_^


I have on occasion stumbled into a few female artists who walked outside the norm, though.
They could beat any guy any day when it comes to harshness.
They tend to be a bit certified, though: last one I saw had this uterus-related painting that made me see motherhood on a whole (scary) new light.
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NO GODS. NO QUEENS. ONLY WOMAN. WONDER-WOMAN.

This is a concept I cooked up over at Comic Book Resources, following a thread about how posters would recreate Wonder Woman.

(It´s also the reason why there wasn´t new Lady of the Horde pages in the last couple days. ^_^)



The pitch: Anastasia with super-powers









At the beginning of Bioshock, you can read the words "No Gods. No Kings. Only Man."
I like that concept, because it´s exactly what i think of when I think of one of the ways I´d recreate Wonder Woman.

Step 1, I´d get rid of the mythological greek gods.
I always thought that they steal too much protagonism from the ones who should be the real heroes of the story, the Themiscirian amazons.Why would a race of highly advanced, highly evolved immortal women worship a 3,000 years old,dead religion that revolved around worshipping a bunch of self-indulging creeps?
By getting rid of them, you can attribute far more merit to the amazons who acchieved the point they are not due to some divine gift, but to the fruit of their labour, their efforts, rsilience and constant thrive to evolve.
They gained immortality on their own, through their own perserverance, science or magic.
It also bears a much more empowering message than the original: "The gods granted me immortality VS I gained mmortality on my own."

Step 2. I´d get rid of the queen.
I don´t like monarchies, the idea that someone is destined to rule over others because some god said so. Democracy is not perfect, but I´d choose being a citizen over being a subdict any day of the year.
My amazons are a meritocracy, a society where you advance on the strenght of your worth, not in which family you were born.


Step 3.
Which brings us to the story I had in mind.
The amazons instituted this meritocracy centuries ago, throwing the queen off pher pedestal. I imagine there was likely a gruesome civil war (otehrwise it would be boring storywise) and queen Hippolyta was believed killed.
Centuries after, today, she resurfaces.
In the patriarch world.
Living with a mortal man who gave her a child, an all-american girl.
With superpowers.

Step 4.
Makiing Diana an all-american girl solves one of the problems I´ve always had with Wonder Woman: her custume. She´s not american, she´s an amazon princess and ambassador representing the proud nation of Themiscira, so why does she wear an american flag? Because she likes america? So does french president Nicholas Sarkozy, but you don´t see him drapping himself in the american flag when addressing the UN, do you?

No, my Diana was brought up by her mom, Queen Hippolyta and some yet-unnamed guy (I thought of calling him Steve Trevor, but that would be just too icky). She learned much of the amazon ways but like any other girl, she salivated at Billy HO´malley´s broad sholders in high school.

This gives us readers an "in". It´s hard to empathise with perfect princess from paradise land, born with a golden spoon in her mouth. But a princess fallen from grace? That´s GOLD!
It has drama, and most important it has the sense of loss that WW´s origin lacks.
A good superhero origin tale has a degree of tragedy to it.
Superman lost his homeworld. Batman lost his parents. Peter Parker could have stopped the man who killed his uncle.
And now, Diana ha lost her crown.

Step 5.

I really like the idea of a fallen princess struggling to regain her place in the world.
Of course she´ll eventualy return to Themiscira and there shall be much @$$tkickery.
She´ll have to face her "sisters" in the arena just like she originaly did under Marston and Perez´pen, but this time she´s not The Special One, with powers given to her by the goddesses.
It´s another Wonder Woman pet peeve of mine.
"All amazons are special but one is more special than others."
The Contest of Champions where she faces the best of the best of the best always felt so fake to me because there is no valor in it.
Sure, an amazons can lift a car in her best day, but WW can benchpress aircraft carriers!
Where´s the fun, the challenge in that?

This way, you can finaly give the Contest of Champions the unsurmountable odds it always lacked, piting a NYPD rookie who moonlights as a superhero going up against seasoned, immortal amazons warriors with 3,000 years worth of combat under their belt. I salivate at the mere thought.

Step 6.
Now of course I can already hear the DC boys groaning. "-Noooo, we can´t have a race of wimminz as powerful as Superman walking around. Superman smash. Wimminz -> kitchen."
Chill.
I´m sure one or two or twelve could occasionaly visit earth, but the vast majority of "dem wimminz" would be confined to whatever dimention Themiscira exists in, where I imagine they´d spend eternity days fighting off demon creatures bent of invading earth. How´s that sound? ^_^

Step 7.
This also solves the issue of technological advancement.
Themiscira is supposed to be a highly advanced society (unless this is Amazons Attack, where they´re basicaly a bunch of idiots who spent 3,000 years riding horses because flying cars is too much for their imagination)
but I could never buy the idea of paradise island as an advanced society. Sorry, but if I spent my days walking at the beach at sunsets, chewing grapes and drooling at half naked women, I would have had zero incentives to develop Purple Ray emmiters.
But fighting demons for all eternity? Now there´s an incentive to evolve. ^_^

Step 8.

Now this advanced society doesn´t have to have excelled only in science. Magic exists in the DCU, so they could just be really good craftswomen. Wonder Woman´s weapons (inherited from her mother when she fled the amazon nation), the golden lasso of truth, the unbreakable bracelets,the razor tiara, would have been forged by them. They would be weapons of war, not cute trinkets to dazzle Superman during late hours.
I dislike the lasso of truth as a weapon. But a whip that can cut through metal like butter?
There´s an endless number of things you could do with this weapon, it doesn´t have to be just a whip. It´s magic, remember?
I confess I may have stretched a bit on the fact that it changes from bracelet to whip, I just never liked the way that rope hangs by her belt, there´s gotta be better ways to carry your weapon around. But I like the idea of her losing one of her defenses when she wants to summon her primary weapon.

Step 9 . Civil War
"As long as there are two men around, there will be conflict."
Same goes for women. I don´t buy the whole "there would be world peace if women were in charge". My amazons are not a homogenous group, they are divided in factions that cohexist peacefuly. Wonder Woman would be the catalist for the rift. The extremists VS the moderates, the monarchists VS the democratis, the amazons who hate the patriarch world VS the ones who wouldn´t mind paying a visit every now and again. Many of Wonder Woman´s archenemies would in fact be amazons, following her into the patriarch world to kill her and becoming supervillains themselves.

Point is, the amazons are a rich, untapped pool of great story material if you give them the protagonism and prominence that Hera and Athena and Aphrodite have enjoyed so far.

In the end, of course she wouldn´t regain her crown as the Princess of Themiscira. I hate monarchies, remember? No, in my book, they would do what Wonder Woman comics do best, the ole "come together in mutual understanding".with lots of hugs and xoxo.
the amazons would welcome her in Themiscira during summer vacations or 2 weekend per month or whatever terms of custody allowed her to dump mom and crash at aunt Kleio´s place every once in a while to learn how not to get her derrière kicked by Artemis at the arena.
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Isnt it funny that the United States is the only stable democracy which lacks a monarchy, yet the same names appear in its leaders over and over (Bush, Kennedy, Clinton).
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Thank you, Pengi_Ken-Ohki, I guess that´s one way to look at things. ^_^
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