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Old 19-03-2002, 01:46 AM   #1   [permalink]
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Question What is your oppinion on the escaflowne movie?

I was wondering what peoples oppinions on the Escaflowne movie was? I thought it was ok but they didn't use Escaflowne that often and it was a little to easy to kill his brother.
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Old 19-03-2002, 03:22 AM   #2   [permalink]
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The film broke the cardinal rule of Heroic Fantasy: Why was the hero even there if he was not even necessary for the inevitable death of the villain?
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Old 19-03-2002, 07:16 AM   #3   [permalink]
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It is always hard to compress a long series into a one-off movie, so the lack of character development hurt it a lot (for those viewers who hadn't seen the series).

Personally I enjoyed it because the animation was so well done and the music was unbelievably good. The moment when escaflowne 'goes black' sent a shiver down my spine (a good thing). Yoko Kanno is GOD.

Can't wait to see it on the big screen. Seattle is still TBD on the escamovie site.
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Old 19-03-2002, 09:54 AM   #4   [permalink]
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If the title had not been Escaflowne then the movie would have been fine in my mind,, if anything they shouldn't have used the same characters due to everything being different.
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Old 19-03-2002, 11:42 AM   #5   [permalink]
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I really disliked the movie, a damn shame considering such a stellar soundtrack though.
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Old 19-03-2002, 02:27 PM   #6   [permalink]
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spoilers for series and movie

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The film broke the cardinal rule of Heroic Fantasy: Why was the hero even there if he was not even necessary for the inevitable death of the villain?
Well, I personally have to disagree with this statement, if only for the reason that Van, the hero of the series, wasn't necessary for the deaths of the villains in the series either.

If you'll think back on it, you'll see I'm right. The only people that Van actually kills are the Dragonslayers, Jajuka, and random soldiers that are not incidental to the plot. I mean, look at the various different "villains" you have for the series, and then look at who kills them.

Dornkirk, who is basically responsible for all the bad stuff that's been happening in one way or another, is killed by Folken.

Generals of Zaibach, who are controlling all the armies of Zaibach, are all killed in the blast from that energist bomb.

Folken, while not a villain at the end of the series, still dies. However, he dies because his sword breaks and impales him, and this is due to a reversal of fate.

Naria and Eriya, the cat-chicks under Folken's command, die because of a reversal of fate.

Dilandau, who some may view as one of the major villains of the series, doesn't die at all. He just turns back into Celena.

Jajuka, who isn't a villain either, dies protecting Dilandau from Van.

The Dragonslayers are people I can't really count as villains. They are soldiers and are just doing what they are ordered to do. However, they are killed (mostly) by Van.

Zongi, the doppleganger. He kills Miguel, and Dilandau kills him for doing so.

Various random soldiers are also killed by Van, but they're extras! As such their only real duty is to die.


From this are we to gather that since Van didn't have any real part in killing 90% of the "villains" in the series he is an unnecessary part of the story? No, we aren't.


-----end rant mode-----

As for my thoughts on the movie, I really enjoyed it and will be buying it once it is released on DVD. The visuals are stunning, and the music is excellent.

I'll be the first to admit that I wasn't going to watch the movie at first. I had seen pictures of the characters on a couple of websites and was...I guess you could say I was disappointed because the art wasn't the same as the series art. For this reason alone I refused to watch the movie at first.

Then I found out that one of my friends had a copy of the movie, so I decided I should watch it, if only to be able to say that I had seen all the animated footage for Escaflowne. I'm glad I made this decision because the movie took my expectations and shattered them, which is a good thing.

I think the thing that many people have a problem with is the fact that the movie is an alternate universe. It isn't the same story as in the series. I didn't have a problem with this, and on the whole I liked the movie representation of many of the characters better than the corresponding representation in the series. For example, I really like how the movie handled Dilandau. I actually....cared about what happened to him, and there were no gender changes performed.

I also really like the fact that the gymelefs weren't available to anybody and everybody. There were only two of them, and they could only be controlled by certain people. This gave a certain sense of realism to the movie while still letting it have the "giant robots". The fact that the 'melefs were more organic was an interesting touch as well.

So...all in all I have to say that I really like the movie. Yes, the character development and plot were a bit rushed in places, but that's to be expected. It's the same way in most movies, animated or otherwise, that are produced.

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Old 19-03-2002, 02:56 PM   #7   [permalink]
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Generals of Zaibach, who are controlling all the armies of Zaibach, are all killed in the blast from that energist bomb.
actually, General Adelphos lives.

and another thing about the series - the bad guy won. it didn't turn out the way he wanted it to, but Dornkirk did win.
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Old 19-03-2002, 05:37 PM   #8   [permalink]
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After seeing afew of the new character sketches before the movie came out i was dissappointed but also intrigued. While I thought the original story shouldnt have been tampered with you have to understand the movie was meant to stand on its own.
It did lack some basic character development, especially by either being to blunt about things or just letting us assume thing. The soundtrack was awesome (being a clarinet player it's first on my list of things to find to play) Yoko Kanno is wonderful and it is a shame she isnt more well known here (Canada). I can't decide wether I want the soundtrack or the actual movie more. Overall i'd give this movie 3.5 *'s out of 5.
Sorry to jibber on so long! hehehe...
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Old 19-03-2002, 09:39 PM   #9   [permalink]
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I really enjoyed it. I thought the music was great, but Dilly-sama didn't get enough screen time.
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Old 20-03-2002, 01:59 AM   #10   [permalink]
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i thought it was really good and well done, but i've only seen it once and it was in japanese with english subtitles so i was confused for alot of the movie. so i wouldn't mind seeing it again..in english though.
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Old 20-03-2002, 04:04 PM   #11   [permalink]
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Do I sense a dub-fan?

Anyways, I enjoyed the movie a lot. I enjoyed how they just put a slight twist on EVERYTHING in the story. Plus, Dilly was a real man this time...except he had to wear ugly briefs...but he was a REAL man in the movie, in every way.

[shallow]The characters also don't have those annoying noses anymore.[/shallow]
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Actually, I haven't seen the movie yet. I think the characters look very well drawn, and I can't WAIT to see it when it comes out in a dubbed version!
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Old 02-04-2002, 05:11 AM   #13   [permalink]
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I really liked the film, honestly I did. ok it was not the best film on Earth BUT it was a good film. People compare it too much to the series, however as someone said earlier that it did help to see the series before as there wasn't much character development, it was kinda 'Here are the characters, figure them out yourself'. Allen and Millerna were two extremely poor characters, though they had done improvement on Dilandau and Folken, ok I didn't like the new 'I am scared of Folken' bit, because well he is Dilly he is scared of nothing, but yet again that is because I have watched the series. Folken kicked ass and he had a newly improved mullet, bow to the mullet!

Van had gone through an improvement, a bit more blood thirsty and not a big pancy as in the series. Hitomi was almost a breath of fresh air from her usual 'Everything will work if you only put your mind to it' to 'I hate my life and I wanna die', you could relate to her more.

There were so many splendid characters in there that never got the chance to be developed, like Dalet got like what two lines? Dryden as the bar keeper, haha, had this short dialouge and then he was out of the picture till the end.

The end was also too rushed, just like the series, it was like this whole thing leading up to it all and you were almost at the edge of your seat and then you were like 'WHAT?! That's it?!'. Should've been longer, but never the less good. Also helped a lot by the outstanding soundtrack, can't listen to several of the songs without getting goosebumps and turn into a fit of sobs (I am sucha girl).

Glad to see that some things never change, Migel the first to die. At least Chesta was ok at the end, that's all that matters

TDM, what was wrong with Dilly's briefs anyway, you not a fan of the 'lovely' colour brown, and admit it you love those ski slopes really
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Old 02-04-2002, 05:22 AM   #14   [permalink]
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Like I said: Why was Van needed there at all if the villain was already going to be killed by one of his own treacherous men anyway.
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Old 02-04-2002, 05:44 AM   #15   [permalink]
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ehm....for the irony?

Well isn't it because Van was going to kill Folken, but then chooses not to and then BLAM Jajuka does it, bad dog!
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