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Capt Jake
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Okay, due to overwhelming response I'm making this new thread because the old one is getting a little long. So here I'll post the last quesion(s) that were asked to me and answer them for my good old friend "Access". so here's the lI have several questions which I would like answered. No test, I would like answers, to.

Is lillith or Adam the first angel. This is still being disupted in many message boards. During the corse of the series it is explained that Adam is the first Angel then as the series came to an end Tabris revealed that indeed it is Lillith who is the First Angel?

Quote from another source.
" Originally the Human Complementation Plan planned to use this Lilith. However SEELE changed the plan after the Spear was lost, and they attempted to use EVA01 for Complementation purpose. At that moment, Keel Lorentz says this is "the copy of Lilith". By this it seems that EVA01 was actually made by copying Lilith. By the way, in the preaching literature's of the Rabbis, it was said that Lilith (Lilth) was the very first wife of Adam. It was also said that between Adam and Lilith were born the demons and spirits"


Is Lillith is the first wife of adam, and eve or EVA is the 2nd wife. If Eve was created by taking the rib from Adam thn that would mean Eva is cloned from Adam. However if Lillith is the first wife of Adam then as the "Rabbis" litureture states that Lillith came before Adam.

So this is what is stated that;

Lillith is the mother of all the angels including EVA? Even the lillim it self.

Sorry these are just random statements glued callously together using lack of sleep and poor spelling.


Some other minor questions aswell.

1) Why was Rei seen at the start of Epsode 1 when she was in hospital wrapped in bandages. Their is no proof that Shinji was dreaming. It is said that another event much like this occurs in EOE however, I have not seen the film yet.
2) Thoughts or idea on who Shot Kaji.
3) Rei has a sole which must be past between her bodies as the previously onces die. Since she is cloned from Yui and Liliith (or Adam - want your opionin on that to) does that mean a soul was created just like dolly the sheep. For if the Soul of Yui exists in Rei how can it simultaneosuly be in Unit 01.
4) Why do all the pilots have the mothers soul in their EVA and why are they so youg. In the series it is stated by Ritsuko that only 14 year old children could pilot the EVA. However that would mean that in 1 years time they would no longer be able to pilot the EVA. If Rei has been training for years with Gendo he must of been aware when the Angels were attacking.
5) IF Gendo wanted instrmentality to bring him to his wife, and Seele wanted mankind just to be brought together because they though it wasd best for mankind. Why did Seele and Gendo have problems with each other. Why did Seele force 3rd Impact to Nerv. I mean Gendo wanted it to happen as well why didn'y Seele just let Gendo do what he wanted they would get the same result.
6) If An angel merged with Adam = 3rd impact why didn't Seele and nerv just let this happen. I don't believe in a good and bad 3rd Impact.
7) Did 1st impact actually involve angels, did a T-Rex deside that the whole planet's population should merge together or was it just a meterite.

Ha ha Essay time for you Captain Jake.
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Capt Jake
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Okay, to keep this as short and as sweet as humanly possible I'm gonna start only by asking the numbered questions at the bottom okay? Answers not clear it up? Then tell me and I can elaborate. Sorry but I'm not a fan of carpal tunnel syndrome. Here's them answers...

1) Rei was seen because that is a techinique that is called foreshadowing. It is kinda shown to us that Shinji has some psycic abilities(like when he was about to step onto the train to leave tokyo-3 and he hears Misato saying "hang in there". He would also have this connection to her because since Rei is a clone of Yui they would share some genes. It is said that family members have a sort of psychic bond.

2) Who shot Kaji? Hmmmmmmm, I'd have to say it was Pen^2. Just kidding, I'd say it was Misato. I know this sounds nuts but it makes sense. It was either her or Kaji's informant because when he was shot he responded in a rather causal manner as if it were from someone he knew. Even Anno (series creator) said that it was someone who he knew well. When they gave Misato her gun back and said he was being taken care of they were sort of incinuating that by giving her, her gun back that, that is how he was going to be taken care of.(sorry about my bad grammar) She then arrived home before anyone would of found the body and began crying. She recieves the message from him and realizes what a mistake she just made.

3) Rei is a fresh soul. Making a clone is just like making a normal human being copied from another one by unnatural means. A clone is like an identical twin in a way and if you have ever met identical twins you would know how different from eachother. Rei I and Rei II would of loved Gendo because he raised them. Rei III was rebellious because she had no memories whatsoever of any of this.

4) What Ritsuko meant by that is that the 14 year old thing is when they were born in relation to the second impact.(about 9 months after) Kaworu was 15 and by the time he showed up Shinji was most likely 15 as well. When they age they can still be pilots.

5) The reason why Gendo and Keel were racing to start the impact themselves is because the person who initiates the impact becomes the celestial being that everyone merges with. In the movie that being was Rei. So basically they both wanted to be Gods.

6) Well you have to believe in the good and bad impacts to get this series. Why didn't the Angels all attack at once in full force to overwhelm Nerv? Because they are there to test humanities perseverence and whether or not they are worthy to reach the final stage in human evolution. If an Angel comes into contact with Adam humanity becomes iradicated in the bad third impact where we would all simply cease to exist. The good third impact is much better but also much harder. You see the good third impact merges all of humanity into one cosmic being where they can be eternally happy, basically this means you can get into heaven regardless of your actions. In order to get the good impact either an Angel must come into contact with Lilith.(which is why Seele tried to trick Kaworu into touching Lilith) Or you need to defeat all 17 Angels, have the lance of longuinus(sorry about the spelling agin) and a man made Angel which is either Rei or and Evangelion. Then put these things together and you got yourselves one helluva good impact.

7) The first impact was most likely the comet that killed off the Dinosaurs. Either that or the great flood. Humanity just named the second impact that because that way people would think of it as a meteor impact when in actuality an "impact" is just some great cosmic event where a race is either wiped out or the world is changed drastically.

In response to your question about Adam and Lilith, Lilith is the first Angel, She was cheating on Adam which is why he came to earth(second impact) There's something about this in the Bible I believe. Adam is only the first human being while Lilith is the first Angel. I know what you are thinking about how Angels are born from Adam and humans from Lilith which is true but be reminded that Angels and Evas have a genetic match to humans that is only off by 0.01% or something like that. You have to pay close attention for that one. So basicallyl I believe that Lilith is the first Angel but you can believe whatever you want.




Access
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Thanks for the warm invite EVA2000, I hope this message board will solve all the problems. I love how this board covers all forms of people. The people who want to understand EVA at a physical level can come here, get there questions asked, without being mocked. While other people can expresses their view of complex ideas of EVA and can have heated discussions about their beliefs educating many people in the process.

Very Good Captain Jake, a few tiny things which aren't total cleared up for a simpleton such as myself. Also I have another list of questions that have been bugging me.

Foreshadowing, I recall something such as that however this doesn't explain why in EOE Rei appeared again at the end, I mean life had mercged and turned to LCL, but Shinji decided that the world was better repopulated. what was the signifigance?

Misato shoot Kaji well that has been strongly argued. I however am apposed to that idea.
From a differnt source.
"if look closely on the video two shadows can be seen approaching Kaji"

And Anno said;
"...Misato was killed by a third party working either for SEELE or for NERV's Intelligence Division."

A nerv agent said;
"A solution to the problem has been found"

Also in the TV ending, It expresses Mistaos true emotions to the rest of the world. If Misato had killed Kaji she must have an extrem amout of will power
to resist admitting it to the rest of the the joint souls. However that doesn't explain why Misato was given the gun, so their is evidence supporting both cases, please difine a correct one for me by contraditicion and explaining the points I put across.


Now for the Questions;
1) I dont want to sound like a porn star but What did it mean when Kaji and Misato slept together and that ummmm, incident "the password is our first memory". I think it was the location and how to access terminal dogma but what is the password then. "Please explain".

2) How can the Loginus be a living entitiy and wheres evidence of that;

Another Source
"Introduced in Episode 22, it was thought to be a semi sentient spear found in Antarctica. When operational, it produces a thin-band anti-AT field. When thrown the spear spirals like a drill and acts to "bite" into AT field of a target, pushing through and drawing the AT field behind it, effectively turning it inside-out and out of our universe's existence."

3) Loginus was a Roman who through the spear, also if this spear is two thousand years old piecing Christ. If Keel is the wandering Dew who has ahad the spear al this time how did it come to be 20 stories tall.

4) Did the spears used in EOE by the EVA series act like that of the Loginus "biteting" the AT fields. What makes the Cloaned spears so important, I mean the prog knife, Axe, rifles and assortment of weapons would have been sufficient. What was so special about the copied lances. I know about the anti-At fields but what uses it the spear or the EVA series.

5) Since the EVA series had dummy plugs of Karou did they not have any souls. Then is that why the lances where needed.

6) It is said that the Lance of Loginus was found in the Antartic how did they just MAKE copies. I mean they can't create Eva's they just clone them from Lillith or Adam.

7) I think I know the answer but what is your reason why Asuka stangled Shinji then stopped.

During the startup of the TV series when the music says "Embrace the universe like a blazing star" at the very, very end of the startup. A still image with a golden background with some lines appear. Maybe not writing but maybe star consellations drawn upon it. Im not sure what they were I just thought you might know.

What is the significance of Eva gaining the Wings of Light from each corner of the System Sephroinca in Air. And why is this scene shown in the startup of the TV series.

9) What exactly did Asukas Mum have to do with Eva. I mean physically I know about her soul in Unit 02. Did she work for the 2nd Branch.

10)Did the mothers of the pilots deside beforehand to join with Nerv and be inside an EVA. I mean if all of Shinjis class mates were posibilitys, were all their souls stored in little jars or something and when needed released into the EVA.

11) Source;
"Adam Kadmon is not mentioned in the series, and it is not Adam's full name. Adam Kadmon was the original creation of God that split into Adam and Lillith (or in the end, Shinji and Asuka). It was made to be perfect, and is formed when all lifeforms, including Adam, Lillith, Angels, and Lillims." Is this true. And is this relevant to the actual series.

12) Evangelion (the units) means "Happy Message" in Latin.
Source;
"But on the cover of my copy of Volume 0:1, it's says that Evangelion stands for Eva + Nglel, which is german. Eva means Eve (Adam and Eve) and Nglel means angel." Which is true? They both can't be the English Word Evangel has to be derived from somewhere can't be mixed between to differnt cultures. What are the roots of the word.

13) Komm, SŁsser Tod means "Come, Sweet Death" in German. The song was used in The End Of Eva, in the scene where the giant Rei/Lillith merge and kills the entire world and makes everything part of itself. Why is it called Come, Sweet Death? Does the World want to die? I think not! Maybe SEELE and Gendo Ikari wanted to, but not the others!
And Kokoro Yo Genshi Ni Modore was the opening theme song (or the ending theme song) or Death And Rebirth. Now, the title means "Heart, Return To The Beginning". Why?

14) Why did Seele as the commitee actually become visible, but turned into the blocks of Seele as the series continued.

15) How did Seele get access to the Dummy System, it was created by Ritsuko and her mother. I don't believe Nerv would have been so careless to release that information to Seele.

16) Ireul wanted to make Nerv self distruct how would that benefit bringing around a "bad" 3rd impact.

17) If Ireul didn't "offically" exists how did Seele plan their schedule right and release Tabris at the right time.

1 Since Keel is the wandering Dew he would rather see the lillim die then have it merge with everyone else. And if Seele becames the being which people merged with how would it equally be divided between the members of Seele. And Gendo wanted to be with his wife at any cost, I think he wouldn't care if he wasn't the supremem being. Besides when he merged with Adam in EOE (the uncut version) then tried to merge with Rei. So it would seem that Rei (an angel) is needed for 3rd Impact, how would Seele go about doing this, I hardly see Rei or any other angel merging with Keel.

19) Did 2nd impact involve Mistaos dad messing with the super solinoid theory. Causing it to self distruct and wake up Adam?

Sorry you don't have to answer all these. They are just questions that have been annoying me for the past year or two. Most people can bull@#%$ an answer, I was just hoping that you could give us an insight into the knowledge centre that is "The Captain Jake".

Thanks
Acces

P.S. HA HA Essay time Cap'n Jake.


Access
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Sorry I forgot to say that I to believ that Lillith is the first Angels but most people disbeleve even though it states it in the Gospel.

Also You said that the pilots was born 9 months after 2nd impact but Tabris was born on 2nd Impact, and if their is real truth to him being born, who was his mother? And when did Seele step in and infleucne him/it. (NB - Angels are given no gender, they are above that.)


Capt Jake
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First thing I have to say Acces, is that you think way too much!!!!! Second of all I'll answer these to the best o my ability so here goes.

1)It never said what their first memory was. It was something that only Kaji and Misato knew and it never even revealed it in the sereis.

2)I have never heard anything relating the Lance of Longuinus to a living object. I have heard of it being infused with Lilith's DNA but that living lance thing, that's new.

3)Keel probably just had it rebuilt to angel size. He most likely would of used the original, broke it down, and used the elements to rebuild it with a whooooooole lotta filler. But remember that they did find it inthe antarctic so maybe it belonged to Lilith and SEELE found it with her. Remember how Lance of Longuinus also means spear of destiny so maybe it wasn't the original that stabbed Jesus in the side. Unless of course Jesus was a 40 foot being as was the person who stabbed him with it.

4) The spare spears were used as backups. Notice how when initiating the impact they stabbed their lances into their cores. Also those were replica Lances so if the Lance is alive maybe they cloned the Lance.

5) I'm not sure, since it only showed them in the movie it never said anything about Souls. Maybe they had souls in them maybe they didn't. Unit-01 has a soul and the Dummy Plug worked with it.(once)

6) Well as I said before if the lances are somewhat living then maybe they cloned them like the Evas. Just a thought

7) Do I look like Shinji to you? Who knows what he was thinking. Maybe he stopped because he realized the mistake he was making and that he loved her. Ever hear the phrase "a thin line between love and hate"

As the tree said to the lumber jack "I'm stumped". I really have no F%^&ing Idea what that is. Always confused me too and I have never given it much thought really. Kudos to you. If anyone has any Idea what that was then please post it. A T H, where are you?

9) The real question is why was any scene in the opening scene shown. because it looks purty. No really, Maybe it symbolized how over his career as an Eva pilot Shinji showed all of the traits of the Sephroth. ie.Strength, Sharing, Mercy I dont' remember all of em. and how he was the "beast who shouted I at the heart of the world". The new Messiah who was to decide mankinds ultimate fate or was he?

10) Never clearly answered. Maybe when an Eva is made it gets a soul for some reason because it is a living thing and all living things nees souls now don't they. Which brings us to the topic of Reincarnation which I'm not gonna get into right now. Maybe the mothers were just reincarnated into them except for Yui who indefinitely got sucked into the Eva because of the Sync "accident"(wink wink nudge nudge). That would explain why Eva-01 is different from the others, why it is sentient, it is aware.

11) I really don't see much relevance. I don't see why you would refer to him with a last name. it sounds cooler if you just say ADAM! plus at least 90% of the people watching wouldn't know any better.

12) Really, I don't remember reading that on the back of the Genesis:01 video cover. hmmmmm, anyways. Evangelion means "message from God" or "Gospel" Message from God makes the most sense when in reference to the Eva's.

13) Overanaylzing once more. Don't think about it so much. Kom Susser Tod was not a piece written for the movie. Niether were Halleluah or Ode to Joy. It is simply a great peice that captures the mood of the scene. Why was Ode to Joy played when Shinji fought and Killed Kaworu? Maybe it's just me but I dont' find too much joy in killing one's best friend to you? I know that it was Kaworu's fav piece of music but that's beside the point. Why was Halleluah played when Auska's mind was Raped by the 15th angel? These pieces are appropriate in the scene so the names don't have much relevance. Also Kokoro Yo Genishi Ni Modoore is one of my fav tracks from the series(I have the MP3) and I have seen soooooooo many translations of that name that I don't know what it acutally means. Some I have heard are "Go back to your roots" or "Return to Primitive Mind". Heart return to the beginning could mean that the whole third impact is the returning of humanity to one eternal being. The way we originally were. Go back to your roots can be used in the same context.

14) As the series progressed they grew farther and farther away from Nerv so when Fuyutski was kidnapped they didn't want to reveal their faces so they switched to sound only mode. They decided to stay that way, maybe so they wouldn't have to face Gendo.

15) Nerv wouldn't of been so careless but maybe certain spies would. *cough*Kaji*cough* sorry.

16) To the best of my recollection it only wanted to destruct the magi. This would make it's path to Adam much easier. Also the destruction of Nerv would of made it's path to Adam much easier. Notice how it got in through a corroded wall so why bother taking the time to eat your way through when you can just blow away anything that stands in your way.

17) *cough*Kaji*cough* sorry, it's that cold again.

1 I think that it was understood between the old men at SEELE that Keel was the one to get the goods. Either that or he simply keeps them in the dark about certain things like the fact that the first one to merge becomes that being. Also yes, he probably would want to see humanity eradicated but why not become a God at the same time? Rei is not needed. Keel intended to use Eva-01 to initiate it but Rei beat him to it.

19) Most likely. That's probably how he did it.

So there's your frickin answers. Next time don't ask quite so many. I would prefer one at a Time okay? okay, oooooooookay!


Access
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Thanks Captain Jake, I knew you would give it your best shot. Next time i'll ask questions fewer at a time, but i will give you time to recover, mingle with the other people, maybe you can do them some good to.

Thanks,
Access


eva2000
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wow, what great info and stuff... i am still running through all of it

Access and Capt Jake you both know sooooo much about evangelion... it's time i'd started saving up for my own copy of the 13 episodes as well


Access
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Dont foret the Movies "End of Evangelion" and "Death:Rebirth", I haven't seen the movies yet but the fansubs should be arriving on my door step this Friday.


Access
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Sorry, I seem to be dominating this thread and I shouldn't be but, however I have come to realise, that me asking some of these questions is beneficial. I wont be returning for maybe two weeks and was wondering if Captain Jake would mind if we exposed some of these questions in more detail, we could learn from each other. Some of these points you expressed limited knowldege about. Maybe we could help each other? This will take some time, I was wondering if you would mind, I don't care if you deny the request it's just it would also bring out into the light some of the depths of NG.

Also another note, would the board master EVA2000 mind if we used this board for these discussions. It could be also interesting what conclusion turn up in the end. Many people don't understand the complexitys of EVA, here is a chance to arcive some of them, in this boardm instead of having FAQ's of EVA detailed descriptions of the series which are just regurgugitated facts from the Red cross book.

I hope to be discussing things in detail soon.
Access.


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my personal opinion is that NERV intell. shot Kaji. I think that scene was added just so you knew that he had died (taking away mystery of that). I think they just kept Kaji in charecter by being calm before he was shot, remember, this is the same guy who can water..... "flowers"... with an angel within site. I think people would have thought much less if we saw him cowering in a corner before he was shot.

in 90% of circumstances in life the obvious solution is the correct one


Capt Jake
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Fine with me, I'd be cool if we could help eachother out. If anyone wants to take my answers from this board and post them somewhere else I'm fine with it. It would only help in my quest to educate the world on Eva and hey I dont' know everything. Believe it or not I'm just an idealistic 17 year old Eva fan who is a hard core Eva fan and has a nack for interpreting stuff. I get my info from surfing, watching the series and interpretation. It's not like I research these answers or anything. I answer them off the top of my head, I'm just that good! So as I was saying before I'm not an over the deep end Eva worshipper or anything. I don't know everything so if I'm wrong or there is something I can't answer then help me out. Maybe eventually I'll start my own Eva page exploring the deepest secrets of the series with fan imput on subjects as well as the standard downloads, gallery, character pages and the like. That'd be cool! Any Webmasters wanna help me out? if Eva 2000 would like to set up a seciton of his site dedicated to such things as info and mysteries(something that I noticed this site lacked)I'd be more than happy to help as would some of the other well versed fans like Access, A T H and Pen^2. Then we can give the Eva2000 site the final thing that it needs, info. Because I mean no disrespect, I mean there are a lot of things that this site has that makes it awesome like this message board for example but I personally don't think that it has much in the info about the series aside from the RED Cross Booklet which I have never read and dont' intend to read because it defeats the purpose of Eva, to think. How many sites have a red cross booklet on them? quite a few. We can do better than that because we have a secret weapon. RABID EVA FANS!!
We can truly make this the best for both features and info on the net. Besides, the Red Cross Booklet doesn't clear up everything and somethings in it I really dissagree with like Eva-01 being a direct clone of Lilith. Sorry but look at Unit-01, Adam and Lilith and which ones look exactly the same. Stuff like that. As if Gainax would tell all accurate info in this booklet anyways because that would defeat the point of Eva. They obviously created this series to get people thinking so why would they throw all that away and tell people how it is? They probably just souped that together to get people to pay a little more yen.
So with our combined minds we can make this even better!


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Coooool

I don't mind if you folks use this board to discuss eva in depth... after all it's what this board was made for

I am so happy that this board has such great quality and depth of members... do you know guys that this is probably the only message board on any topic on the internet that hasn't had any members abusing other members and it's one of the few boards around where threads actually stay fairly much on topic without going off topic on a tangent


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if Eva 2000 would like to set up a seciton of his site dedicated to such things as info and mysteries(something that I noticed this site lacked)I'd be more than happy to help as would some of the other well versed fans like Access, A T H and Pen^2. Then we can give the Eva2000 site the final thing that it needs, info.

Because I mean no disrespect, I mean there are a lot of things that this site has that makes it awesome like this message board for example but I personally don't think that it has much in the info about the series aside from the RED Cross Booklet which I have never read and dont' intend to read because it defeats the purpose of Eva, to think. How many sites have a red cross booklet on them? quite a few.

We can do better than that because we have a secret weapon. RABID EVA FANS!!
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Capt Jake: Yes, i had intended to slowly ease into a section on mysteries of eva on my site, but lacked the knowledge myself... i would welcome any assistance and contributions from members of this board


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We can truly make this the best for both features and info on the net. Besides, the Red Cross Booklet doesn't clear up everything and somethings in it I really dissagree with like Eva-01 being a direct clone of Lilith. Sorry but look at Unit-01, Adam and Lilith and which ones look exactly the same. Stuff like that.

As if Gainax would tell all accurate info in this booklet anyways because that would defeat the point of Eva. They obviously created this series to get people thinking so why would they throw all that away and tell people how it is? They probably just souped that together to get people to pay a little more yen.

So with our combined minds we can make this even better!
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Capt Jake: yes, what you propose will definitely fill up the big hole in my web site that lacks serious eva info/content.. this jogs my memory as to what one of my goals was in creating Eva2000.com - to promote NGE to new anime fans of the series !

This brings up some ideas as to structure of how we can go about this. Already i have posted threads on this message board that relate to definitions and info from the Red Cross Book.

As you said Capt Jake, the RCB does not provide all the details or explanations of NGE - i.e. the thread titled 'Who is Keel Lorentz ?' the RCB does not explain it well. But fellow members' postings in that thread shed new light on the topic.

So what i propose as one way of handling it is to use the Red Cross Book's lack of detail, explanation and vagueness on a topic of Evangelion to spring board member discussions in this board (since this has already occured it is easy to continue to do so)

We can them compile and format the threads into html pages for the section at Eva2000.com - along with the credits and acknowledgements to all members who contributed.

Well what do you guys think ? I am open to all suggestions on this.




Capt Jake
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That'd be helluva cool! post the info from the MB(with permission from the author) and post it. This way Eva 2000 will have something that no Eva site has ever had before. Opposing views which allows visitors to form thier own opinons instead of being spoonfed them like on pretty much every other Eva site out there. You have permission to use anything that I have said as long as credit is given. This will mean that Eva 2000 will be just as good for the person who doesn't know what Evangelion even is and for the Eva expert who wants to hear some other point of view. Good idea eh?(I'm Canadian so sue me!) So Go for it man! With the Captain's help, in addition to the help of the others, this site is truly gonna be the best on the web!


Access
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Excellent, in two weeks after my mid year exams are finished I shall bring up some points. Seeya then.

Access


Access
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Captain Jake fill in some of your personal data, whats your ICQ number.
Access


Capt Jake
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Well I'm a 17 year old male from Canada. I have bleached Blonde Hair(now mostly brown) and Brown eyes. Before I bleached my hair I looked kinda like Shinji minus the blue eyes and the fact that I'm not oriental. My ICQ # is 55828207. I am also a die hard Eva fan. I seem to have a nack for finding hidden meaning in stories and psycology. That is part of the reason I love Eva so much. I used to be Shinji, a wreck. I know all about the hedgehog's dilemma myself. My fav music bands are Earth Wind & Fire and Sky, fav movies are the Matrix and the Green Mile. My fav T.V show is unquestionably Evangelion which is unfortunately not shown of T.V in Canada yet. I have to rent or buy them but like that's gonna stop me! My fav Eva is Unit-01 and my fav character is obviously Shinji but I love them all really. I am also an online gamer who plays such games as X-Wing vs Tie Fighter, Jedi Knight, Descent Freespace, Starcraft ect... So I started this thread to educate those who wish to learn more about the masterpiece that is Eva. So please, post your questions in this thread and call me on ICQ because if you don't do those things then how am I supposed to educate the world on Eva? And on one last note Yes I'm single ladies.


Capt Jake
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Come on people. I know you have questions so make no substitute for the real thing. I'm a living red cross booklet here. If you don't believe me then read my other posts. I'm a machine! Accept no substitutes. I am aware that there is competition now for the position of Eva guru but make no mistake, I am the expert! There are also a lot of great knowlegable people out there who can assist to add flavor so just ask away.


David Ikari
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It's Uncle Dave here with some handy advice and a helping hand for the ever popular Capt Jake!
Some people think that Adam and Lillith may be the same thing, they may just be merged or considered two different things. In religious mythology, Man was the first being with a soul, and Lillith was creasted first. These facts may show that lillith is the first, but I don't think anyone could ever say for sure.


David Ikari
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DI is back. This is just quick. According to literature, Adam was an hermaphrodite. He was a giant of light of large proportions. God took the female aspect of Adam and made a separate being known as Eve from him. But others say that lillith was the first woman and had Adamís first son Cain with him, then Eve came in. Adam was reduced to a human size because of the original sin. In NGE, I would say that this would be the same. By my research NGE knowledge was taken from Judaism and Judeo Christian beliefs.

Lillith would be the mother of the Lillim (who are also said to be demons or brother to demonís), and since man is also said to be the sons of Adam, it would mean that Evaís would have also come from him. Basically lillim and Eva are the sons of the first demon and Adam.

At the beginning of the first episode, Rei was seen as perfectly fine, but she was later seen in hospital, most likely not released. That adds to Reiís mysteriousness. You will also notice that Reiís bandages were the exact same as when the other Reiís were released into the world.

I would believe that Misato shot Kaji, scince we saw her door close over the darkness. Also, why would Misato cry over Kajiís kind words and saying that he was a fool if he was still alive.

Reiís soul could just be one created from lillith. Rei may not have a soul at all, just merely to seem like she has one, but I would otherwise say that Capt Jake is right.

The 14 year old children were born in the same year or the year after second impact. It may mean that a pilot who has not been through second impact can pilot them. Why 14 year olds? Because they are the oldest possible pilots.

Gendo wasnít following the plans of SEELE, and with SEELE it is their way or the highway. If you are not following their orders, then it means that you are not fully loyal.

Third impact had to Manís version. If an Angel merged with Adam, then it would be for that Angel and not us. We would be destroyed for good.



David Ikari
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If you obserce the episodes, the capsule Kaji gave to Miasto had a chip in it. When misato is typing on her computer after Kaji was shot, she said "The silent phone no longer hurts as much, not scince you gave me ... you heart and soul.". The pass word may be 'Heart and Soul'.

Never have I heard that the Lance was alive. I think you've been lead by the nose

The lance of Loninus could be a code name? maybe it was using the lance of Longinus in antarctica that reduced Adam down to size? You'll notice that Fuyutsuki and Gendo are bringing the spear from Antarctica

Perhaps they were able to strip the technology from the lance. The original may have just been a Mad made spear (like longinus') that was used to reduce Adam, as such it would be possible to re-create

I have never seen the systema sepherotica up close before, but I know that it represents the Holy heirachy. Gaining wings from the top would mean that the wings are from God the angels in a lower rank.

It is most likley that Asuka's mother worked for the second branch in GERMANY.

Anno Hideaki (i think he is the creator) most likely chose those words beacause of their multiple meanings in the different languages, and also why only those countries from which the languages came from were the only ones really mentioned.

SEELE is an organisation of such high security that they don't even want each other to know who they are, or just appeared in that form so they were a visible entity to any person they are in conference with.

Yrouel is the Angel of Fear in reality. It most likely just wanted to die, and it would be good to bring such fear into the hearts of others. It might have also continued to spread while everyone was distracted.

SEELE probably did know that Iruel had penetrated, but would get no acknowledgement ffrom Ikari

I would rather think that the original Lance was used after collecting data from Adam. This caused a massive explosion of Adam's energy. NERV, SEELE or the UN might not have had the other lances ready after receiving order's for more and so it was important to keep the original.




Hiragi
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In the first episode Fuyutsuki says (when Gendo goes to join Shinji) that it's been 3 years since there last meet. And in the episode when Shinji and Gendo go visite Yui's graveward Shinji says it's been 3 years, when he ran away. How come?

Was he living with his uncle or tutor?

I remember an image of Shinji (as a boy) with a bycicle and her "aunt" saying that he didn't need to rob it.
But he says to Kaoru that he lived with his tutor before.

Hiragi

P.S. Sorry still traying the emoticons


Capt Jake
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Shinji's uncle was his tutor. Gendo might be a ****head but not that bad as to leave his son unsupervised. Gendo sent money to his brother to look after Shinji. Also that picture you saw was from the manga. When Shinji was in the hospital recovering from his first battle with Ramiel he rembembered back to his childhood.


Access
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To people
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Also a note to people who want to use the Caps shop as a place to ask questions. Use this thread, not the one with 103 messages in it. This one was created for a reason.
Access


fasad
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just my opinion, but isn't the whole point of the message board to be a place for people to "ask <the other users> anything about evangelion" ? as you said, its important to get more than one view on a topic, so wouldn't it be much easier for people to ask their questions as new topics and let everyone easily see the new question and give their opinion?
This topic is very hard to follow with the numbered questions, and kind of defeats the purpose of the multi-user message board.

PLEASE, don't get all fired up, i just think this is not the best way of using the board.


AnThraX C
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Hi all,
I havent posted at EVA2000 before (mabey once ...) but after reading this thread (for 40 mins!!) I have decided to join in the fun

To EVA2000:
Hey man, great site. The best I have seen on the web so far and it's even my homepage (). I am a (lowclass) webmaster and would be honoured (bad gramma) if you'd like me to help set up another section or help maintain the site....

To Access:
Dude, your a thinktank!! and one day your head will explode :b. Your question (and Jakes answers) have shown me a side of NGE i have never begun to comprehend before.

To Capt. Jake: Authorse me on ICQ :b. hehehe. you matey are full of NGE goodness. Great answers and wit added, just my kinda style.

To The General Public: Hey all, I'm an Aussie male in NSW, my ICQ# is 37570941. I am into all games (PC, PSX, N64), and have resources into every aspect of the 'illegal internet' (like warez). This however is of no relevance to EVA2000 cause I am also a big fan of anime. NGE is the only anime I have ever seen the full series of but I also watch DBZ, Flame of Recca and various others.

To People Wanting To Know My EVA Knowledge:
I know a little more than the average 'creton' as far as NGE goes, but after reading through this board i know much more, but I have great understanding skills (just didnt turn them on while watching NGE) and when paired with my cousin becomce fanatical about anything (NGE in specific)..


Conclusion:
Anyway, thats me... just doing myself an intro to the board
Cyaz later

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The Nondescript
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Information overload!!!

This is my drop in Captain Jakerelli's ocean.

Seele never shows itself in the series. The instrumentality committee however, do.
Seele only shows itself when they catch Fuyu. 'So Seele finally shows itself' -Fuyu
Something like that anyway. Some members are in both groups. Keele for example.

Damn straight fasad. Why this? Because the Cap is so popular.

Misato gets her gun given back because they: 'have found a solution'.
Therefore she is off probation. Or therefore she can kill Kaji? I don't think so.


Access
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Welcome and thanks for the kind remarks, I hope that ICQ request for the Captain was open to all the memebers of the board, for I added you to my address list.

Also I advise you to have a look through many of the past messages they contain useful info.

The Nondescript you have been on the board for a while now, this thread is a month old now, so have a look at some past threads to, they could contain some also useful information.

Antrax, I think I know you, do you play Graal, Diablo or use any other EVA Message Board.
Access


eva2000
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yeah AnThraX C welcome again

glad you like my board enough to make it your homepage ... i think other members have done that as well... as Access said, there's alot of juicy info in past posts that reveal alot more on NGE...


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To EVA2000:
Hey man, great site. The best I have seen on the web so far and it's even my homepage ( ). I am a (lowclass) webmaster and would be honoured (bad gramma) if you'd like me to help set up another section or help maintain the site....
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Thanks for the offer maybe later on I will need some help for my free Eva/anime site hosting and related web site ventures... right now i can just manage myself...

and yeah it takes a quite to digest all the info in some of the threads... 40 mins huh

Edited by eva2000 at: 5/10/00 9:33:25 pm


AnThraX C
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m33p m33p
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Thanks for the warm welcome guys, I'm looking forward to the next big thread on EVA2000 Board
Oh, btw (by the way) eva2000, do you have ICQ??
if so contact me on #37570941, that invite goes out to any other readers that wish to contact me




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Capt Jake
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Fasad, the answer to your question is simple as to why I have my own thread for this. It allows for the questions to come to me instead of reading the entire MB for them. I do read and post in the other threads but this is a way to ask me directly and get a personalized answer. If there is something you aren't clear on I can explain it better and not clutter up the entire MB. So that's why I do it. And to all of the others out there thank you for your support and help. I appreciate it really.
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