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heart havok · 22-03-2002, 04:53 AM

i'm totally ------- pissed!!

what the ---- did the ------- SLAYERS team do to Record of Lodoss War!?!?!??!

seriously, they've got some nerve fuckering it up like that.

nah, it's not entirely THAT bad. the opening and closings are ------- beautiful, the musical score of the Television series is much better. the animation? ehhh sometimes it's better, sometimes it's much worse. the Dubs are WAY worse {J+E}. the story is all fuckered. grrrrr...

i've only just finished the first disc... and i LOVE that they are going into Orson's background, as he was always one of my favourite characters. it's a shame they make him look terrible though -_-

and Ashram looks terrible too. Parn looks better, can't wait to see the new characters later on. but man, it's pretty pathetic continuation. i understand they are making up for lost plotholes and editing of the OVAs to make them fit in 13eps... but it's done TERRIBLY HORRIBLY not well at all. blegh.

and the ------- "comedy" scetches in the end? that's entirely ------- SLAYERS bullfuck. argh, that pisses me off. i dispise that they are doing that... i always enjoyed RoLW for its serious medieval fantasy and D&D feel, and they are making it SLAYERS with RoLW characters -_- blegh... it's ugly. i was really looking forward to seeing this series too.

oh well, i'll still watch it simply because it's Lodoss..very glad i didn't waste money on the damned Boxset though like i was going to. meanwhile, any comments on how the story may get? or the mood?

all i have to say, is after this series, i'm DEFINITELY watching Berzerk in an all-nighter.

Dark Genesis · 22-03-2002, 12:06 PM

Let's take bets on how soon this will be modded.

EVA fiend · 22-03-2002, 05:07 PM

There, there havok..., I can see where you're coming from..., I'm not a big fan of the TV series either...., but I don't see it as a continuation of the OAV series..., I see the TV series as a re-working of the original OAV..., it's the only way I can watch it without pointing out all the inaccuracies, & plot inconsistancies, & not bursting into flame....,

Dark Genesis · 22-03-2002, 06:27 PM

You'll feel better if you combine all sorts of little extras, like the novels, mangas, etc

That gives you a lot better picture of Lodoss.

P.S. Don't touch Legend of Crystiania (sp?) then. I'd hate to see what you thought of that bombshell

EVA fiend · 22-03-2002, 07:12 PM

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P.S. Don't touch Legend of Crystiania (sp?) then. I'd hate to see what you thought of that bombshell

For the appaling animation alone, that show should be buried under 10 tonnes of rubble, never to see the light of day again...., it's utter bollocks....,

Dark Genesis · 22-03-2002, 10:35 PM

Chronicles at least has some redeeming value. I just seriously don't want Havok touching that at ALL if this is his reaction to it ^^

Robotech Master · 23-03-2002, 01:20 AM

Geez, I don't know what everyone's problem with the TV series is. I'm serious, every time I hear someone complain about the TV series in comparison to the OVA I want to go over there, reach into Hammerspace, and smack them over the head with some giant mallet.

And to speak of innaccuracies and how "Its stupid because its not a continuation of the OVA story" is only demeaning of you yourself. It doesn't make you stupid, but it proves your ignorance.

Even if your opinion is that the OVA was better, its still proper to say that the OVA was an improvement. The TV series plot came first.

Chronicles follows the Novels people, I can't stress that more seriously. Lodoss War was not born as an anime. Get that through your mind. It was influenced by Western D&D games, and then became a D&D style game itself. The Roleplaying game became a series of Novels, including the Main Record Of Lodoss War plot which was 7 novels.

13 episodes, CAN NOT, WILL NOT, and SHOULD NOT fill 7 novels worth of material into itself.

The OVA was different, faithful only to Novel 1 and then erasing many details and characters from the story to fit into the final 5 episodes.

The TV series follows the Novels. So in my idea, since the Novels came first, and since Ryo Mizuno's written works are CANON, the decision to follow the novels plotline was justified.

And while you all complain about the TV series, you'd be surprised to find that I can point you to a number online arguments of people who love the OVA, but think that the TV series is vastly superior.

RE: Chronicles at least has some redeeming value. I just seriously don't want Havok touching that at ALL if this is his reaction to it ^^

I think it has quite a lot of redeeming values, enough to make it a very good series. I think the OVA is better, but the TV series is still a good series in my opinion. Havok, truthfully, doesn't deserve to touch upon such things as he is basing his entire review of the series on the first volume alone.

And I don't care what you say, the Battle of Fire Dragon Mountain in Chronicles absolutely kicks the ass of the OVA Fire Dragon mountain battle into orbit.

And the series isn't NEARLY as comical as the Slayers series. The TV series may still have some comical elements thrown in every once and a while, but they are still very much 2 sides of the same coin.

Dark Genesis · 23-03-2002, 08:22 AM

Yeah, that's how I feel, w/o the incredible ammount of detail

heart havok · 23-03-2002, 10:27 AM

first of all, Robotech... i am not ignorant, as i already knew that the television series is much more accurate to the original novels than the OVA... i also knew that it was based on the D&D RPG.

second, i'm definitely over-reacting.

thirdly, i've only made it thru the first disc, so i am trusting that there's alot that can get greater. such as Orson's story along with many of the other details they are adding in {such as your mentioned Battle of Fire Dragon Mountain}.

as for SLAYERS being commical? i suppose. i think it's utter crap. {i.e.: NOT FUNNY.} and Chronicles.. i find to be just as equally NOT FUNNY. the animation, i also see {most times -granted there are some things that look wonderous} very unfit for the atmosphere of Lodoss.

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RE: Chronicles at least has some redeeming value. I just seriously don't want Havok touching that at ALL if this is his reaction to it ^^

I think it has quite a lot of redeeming values, enough to make it a very good series. I think the OVA is better, but the TV series is still a good series in my opinion. Havok, truthfully, doesn't deserve to touch upon such things as he is basing his entire review of the series on the first volume alone.

as for these lovely comments of your's, i'd already seen Legend of Crystania quite some time ago. i found nothing upsetting about it either... other than indeed, the animation. ::cough::
i consider myself to have a greatly open mind. especially considering the Lodoss MANGA is the only MANGA i have collected entirely to date as well. notice, i wasn't commenting that the TVseries is "untrue to the story" or "inaccurate" but rather i was disliking how they were breaking apart the timeline and story they had already edited and warped into the OVA. i was greatly pleased with the way they turned out the OVA, and i think it's a shame that they are trying to add so much into the TVseries. alot of it is unneeded and seems like utter filler IMO. most importantly, however.. if you would have PAYED ATTENTION, my post was explaining that i have only watched the first disc so far, and the first disc alone. thus, this is hardly a review, but rather simple first impressions off the first bit {very small bit} of what i have yet to complete.

also please note, that in my first post, i even stated "i understand they are making up for lost plotholes and editing of the OVAs to make them fit in 13eps..." ['them' meaning the first plenty novels.]

so please don't carry on assuming i'm basing my Lodoss knowledge on the edited and chopped story we know as the OVA... and more importantly, please READ my ENTIRE post rather than picking at bits and pieces that you feel like comprehending and taking to notice. as for SLAYERS again, i have seen the entire first two series, and i can't stand it. so indeed, as Chronicles.. is different, it is still similar... it contains just enough of the "funny" {or not funny} moments that makes me despise SLAYERS.

lastly... the title of this thread says "to view obsene comments, CLICK HERE." if you didn't want to read obsene comments, perhaps this isn't the place for you.

overall however, in this thread, was asking what i have to look forward to in the TVseries... as i'm still very interested in continuing on... if not for the sake of interest in enjoying it, but also because it is SIMPLY ENOUGH Lodoss War. and i very well know that one cannot accurately judge any Anime Series without first viewing it all. {hense why i gave SLAYERS two chances even}... meanwhile, can anyone respond to my concerns rather than my simple nitpicks?

it would be appreciated. and while you're doing that, i'll hopefully be thru the second and third two discs in time to come back tonight to post my thoughts on those.. be them positive or negative. thanks. adieu.

Dark Genesis · 23-03-2002, 06:06 PM

You know, you only had 2 postive comments at all, you liked Orsen, (although you bashed his animation about 2 seconds later) and you asked about if it would improve at all. Given the bashing it was all embedded in, I don't blame ANYONE for responding the way they did.

I read your whole post and I'm sure Robotech Master did too. If you had wanted to ask about if it got better, just do so instead of putting it in a mound of complaints. My impression was that you were ripping the thing just based on the first disk. My fault, but understandable no?

Robotech Master · 23-03-2002, 09:17 PM

Indeed, your "over-reacting" completly deafened what could have been an intelligent argument.

I really don't agree with simply shouting out obscene comments about something, especially when you see only the first disc. If I want to vent frustration, I dream about blowing things up, or better yet, go play a video game where I can blow things up.

Robotech Master · 23-03-2002, 11:00 PM

Furthermore, Havoc, my little thing about ingnorance in regards to the TV series being based on the Novels was not directed at you, it was at Eva Fiend.

EVA fiend · 24-03-2002, 12:00 AM

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Furthermore, Havoc, my little thing about ingnorance in regards to the TV series being based on the Novels was not directed at you, it was at Eva Fiend.

I know that the TV series is based on the novels..., it still doesn't mean that I like the TV series any better because of it's a more faithful re-telling of the novels...,

As for plot inconsistances, I saw the OAV first, so any comparision between the TV series will be made with reference to that..., not the novels (which I haven't read).., & I personally like the OAV series better...,

Dark Genesis · 24-03-2002, 12:22 AM

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If I want to vent frustration, I dream about blowing things up, or better yet, go play a video game where I can blow things up.

I think I found a new friend

Oh and EVA, yeah I liked the OAV better too. I don't know why, but I'm drawn to it...

P.S. Angry active thread better then no thread

Robotech Master · 24-03-2002, 03:41 AM

Yeah, but still, saying that the TV series has plot inconsistencies compared to the OVA is both unfair and wrong, since the TV series plot came first. It doesn't matter if you VIEW the OVA as being first, the fact of the matter is that it wasn't. That's like saying "I view the Empire Strikes Back as happening before The Phantom Menace."

Don't get me wrong, I like the OVA better too. I just think its completly wrong to judge the TV series in ANY way (good or bad) based on the fact that it didn't pick up after the OVA series.

Quite honestly, I think an attempt to do so would have been horrible. Remember, the last 5 episodes of the OVA were *loosely* based on the Novels, so they at least had some background with them. A direct sequel to the OVA would have resulted in a story not written by Ryo Mizuno that would either suck or end up not being Canon either way.

I mean, when you think about it, there was no logical reason to pick the OVA plot up when it ended like that. The TV series gave them 27 episodes, a lot more than 13, so they figured they'd use the extra time to tell the tale of the novels.