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Old 18-07-2002, 09:09 PM   #1   [permalink]
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Post *Official Experimental* Mon Forum Thread

*Official Experimental* Mon Forum Thread

This is off of Pen2’s challenge as an experimental forum to see if we forumers can maintain a civilized conversation about shows, like Pokemon, Digimon and Monster Ranger. Which I have faith, we can…

First to keep this experimental thread from falling apart, I am going to lay down a couple of ground rules…

1. No flaming or spamming about how these series suck, do not deserve a forum, griping, or arguments.

2. All Conversation are to be kept civilized and I stress the word civilized

3. This experimental forum shall only compromise of those animes that fall under the Mon category as well…

So in recap, no complaining, evil sarcasm or otherwise smart ass remarks to negetivly impact this forum… Or else, the Terrorists win…

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Old 20-07-2002, 10:20 AM   #2   [permalink]
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Do you even have a topic ?
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Old 20-07-2002, 12:32 PM   #3   [permalink]
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Okay a topic…


What do you think of the looser censorship in Digimon Season 03? I mean the "Magical Girl Transformationish" Bio-Merge… That one blond man with the sunglasses always fiddleing with a lighter and there are some shots of cigerette buts… Real chara deaths and their effects on others…

Do you think this is an interesting step for the Fox folk, or was this just a fluke?
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Old 20-07-2002, 02:20 PM   #4   [permalink]
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I think Digimon season 3 is only marginally more controversial than previous seasons. So far from what I've watched, only Digimon have died (Meramon's death was particularly funny), but that has been happening since series one. There was a scene with a couple kissing, but that's run of the mill stuff nowadays. Can't wait to see the ''Magical Girl Transformationish Bio-Merge''. Sounds fun.

As ever, I'm willing to discuss all issues Pokemon-related. Here's an assorted pick of topics:
Old Pokemon Voices VS New Ones- anyone notice that all of the voices of Ash, James, Jesse, Meowth and Misty seem to change mid-way through the first series? And which of the voices do you prefer? I liked old Ash's voice better because the new one tends to grate sometimes.

Unidentified Creature?- what are your thoughts on the mysterious creature that Tracey sketched in the episode 'Misty Meets Her Match' (second series), and showed to Professor Oak. It looked like the ears of an Elekid, pre-evolved version of an Electrobuzz.

Opinions On Lyrics- do you think the lyrics to the first verse of the Pokemon theme song, heard in episode 'all Fired Up' is any good? I thought the line 'every challenge along the way, with courage I will face. I will battle every day, to claim my rightful place', coupled with an image of Ash running with a serious face and holding an Olympic-style flame was quite inspiring.

Are The New Pokemon Episodes Too Predictable?- If memory serves, the old first series episodes contained its fair share of plot innovation. Like 'Electric Shock Showdown' where team rocket actually supported Ash in his gym battle, the episode where Dario and Ash had that race in the ranch, and the episode where Gary lost to the (as yet) unknown Pokemon Mewtwo . But the new epsiodes seem to revolve around team rocket stealing Pikachu only with no side issues. Here's a comparison:
epsiode in series one had Ash and friends lost in a dark forest at night while a young girl suddenly appears and disappears. In that time Ash lured off a cliff and had to use Bulbasaur to save himself. Epsiode proceeds with Ash getting shrunk, a strange man advising him not to battle in a gym and who is somehow linked to the gym leader. Answers revealed in next episode.

epsiode in series four has Ash trapped in a building which turns out to be a power plant. Team Rocket comes and steals Ash's Pokemon, and he gets them back. It has absolutely no link to any other episode and gives no incentive to watch the next epsiode. Neither has it got plot innovation.
So what do you think of this situation- are the makers 'dumbing down' in the sense of plot originality?
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Old 20-07-2002, 04:15 PM   #5   [permalink]
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Well I like the new Voices. Ash is just a Kid.

But the thing with the newer series having no Plot. Well I couldn't agree more. I think it goes down to marketing. You see the storyline is the same, but there is a new and different Pokemon in every episode. See, Same Storyline + Same Result + Different Pokemon = $$$. You know, kids are stupid. They actually can't remember something that happened the day before so they refresh their memory by re-using the episode. And if the same storyline worked for Scooby-Do, then it can work for Pokemon.

See, when series 1 was first on, I actually enjoyed it. But now whenever I turn it on, it's boring. And whenever he gets a good Pokemon, he gives it away. Or sets it free. Look. He finally got a Charazard. And when finally gets it under control he does whatever with it (I don't really know what happened too it). A Charazard under his control would be unstoppable. But no, he gets rid of it. That thing could wipe the floor with Gary's Eviy (sp?)

So while Pokemon is still annoying, the commercialising of it really puts me off.
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Old 20-07-2002, 04:59 PM   #6   [permalink]
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You see the storyline is the same, but there is a new and different Pokemon in every episode. See, Same Storyline + Same Result + Different Pokemon = $$$. You know, kids are stupid. They actually can't remember something that happened the day before so they refresh their memory by re-using the episode. And if the same storyline worked for Scooby-Do, then it can work for Pokemon.
I think that's the best description I've seen for Pokemon..., but not all kids are stupid..., I babysit my mate's 6 year old kiddie on occasion.., he was a rabid Pokemon & Digimon fan, & we used to watch Pokemon together..., but now he'd rather watch something else (his current fave is The A-Team of all things).., as he finds Pokemon boring now..., he turned to me & said "Auntie ******, I don't want to watch Pokemon anymore.., it's the same story every day..," I did this face when he said that to me..,
Mind you.., he still loves Scooby Doo though...,

The popularity of shows like Pokemon & their ilk seems to be on the wane in the UK..., the once over-abundance of expensive merchandise can now be found in bargain bins in most stores..., there is only so much merchandise that parents will cough up money for.., & little kids are very fickle creatures...,
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Old 21-07-2002, 12:10 AM   #7   [permalink]
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Auntie what?
Oh be quite…

BTW, isn't your avatar… a Picture of the inflatable breasts used by those nafairous Rockets one time Eddy?
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Old 22-07-2002, 02:02 PM   #8   [permalink]
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Yes, Ash's Charizard can wipe Gary's Eevee off the face of the earth, but now Gary has evolved it to an Umbryon, the match would be tighter.

Yes, the plot originality in later episodes is to be damned. The plot nosedived in series two, came up a bit in series three and is dropping again in series four. At least some of the laughs have been retained, and the odd episode throws up some suprise.

I saw an old episode and heard Ash's old voice - it was much better. The new one may make him sound more like a kid, but more importantly it makes him sound like a prat sometimes.
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Old 22-07-2002, 09:21 PM   #9   [permalink]
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Re: *Official Experimental* Mon Forum Thread

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1. No flaming or spamming about how these series suck, do not deserve a forum, griping, or arguments.

2. All Conversation are to be kept civilized and I stress the word civilized
I think these bear emphasizing. Smart-assery, off-topicness, and misbehavior will result in pruned posts and warnings. Consider this the only general warning.
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Old 23-07-2002, 12:08 AM   #10   [permalink]
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I saw an old episode and heard Ash's old voice - it was much better. The new one may make him sound more like a kid, but more importantly it makes him sound like a prat sometimes.
I just wish they'd give the kid's voice a little masculinity - sure he's only 10 or 11, but even at that age he shouldn't sound like a little girl.

I agree, the older episodes did a much better job - more realistic, I thought.

Misty's voice scares me, she sounds like she always has some alterior motive and is plotting some evil scheme...
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Misty's voice is just too squeaky in recent episodes-she's like a mouse. She used to be more funny in earlier episodes too, like pulling more weird faces. Yeah, she can act almost too nice sometimes-what is she trying to cover up eh?

I was well disappointed with the second series. The first one ended leaving behind a story that had the potential to become a great one. My excitement was sky high, and the first few episodes of the second series were promising. Then...the rest was history. The introduction of Tracey, the ever-worsening dialogue, the complete lack of a sense of adventure (every episode seemed to begin with the three sitting on Lapras). It was like a nightmare come true.

Still, the Johto competition should be airing soon. The signs are there for it to be just as good as the Indigo one. Richie VS Gary is long overdue.

Anyone seen the Japanese intros and endings to Pokemon? They seem to cut out nearly half of the intro to the fourth series for the western release. What's up with that? I also miss the songs at the end of each episode in the English version.
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Misty's voice is just too squeaky in recent episodes-she's like a mouse. She used to be more funny in earlier episodes too, like pulling more weird faces. Yeah, she can act almost too nice sometimes-what is she trying to cover up eh?

I was well disappointed with the second series. The first one ended leaving behind a story that had the potential to become a great one. My excitement was sky high, and the first few episodes of the second series were promising. Then...the rest was history. The introduction of Tracey, the ever-worsening dialogue, the complete lack of a sense of adventure (every episode seemed to begin with the three sitting on Lapras). It was like a nightmare come true.

Still, the Johto competition should be airing soon. The signs are there for it to be just as good as the Indigo one. Richie VS Gary is long overdue.

Anyone seen the Japanese intros and endings to Pokemon? They seem to cut out nearly half of the intro to the fourth series for the western release. What's up with that? I also miss the songs at the end of each episode in the English version.
I blame that on the executives of the WB… They want to milk as much commercial time… Thus money from them… They don't give a crap about anime… They are the worst… Not the censors…

I have seen some of the Japanese intros and they are longer… That's what it all comes down to in a America… Money… Also, they cut the intros to the American version later on as well too… But the music was really pleasing… I mean they cut a good half of the ending credit animation for The Buu Saga in Dragon Ball Z… Also, if you all remember the Mega Man series, they shredded the opening… (But when it was first relesed on Fox… They kept it full!) God only knows what they do with others…

Also, consering Tracey… The short lived replacment of Brock… He was defenatly never up to the challange in overtaking what Brock had done… From the Leching of the Joy's and Jenny's… To his unique perspective of Pokemon…

BTW, what was in the GS ball? I lost track after they went to Azela town…
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Old 24-07-2002, 02:02 PM   #13   [permalink]
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Yeah, I suppose that's why they shunted the ending songs out.

Fox Kids are sort of OK when it comes to cutting, but Cartoon Network UK likes cutting chunks out of Dragonball Z (one episode lasted about 10 minutes).

The main gripe about Tracey is that he provides virtually no comedy moments at all - he is just too serious (which is only good in serious situations). About Brock, they still haven't told of what happened between him and Prof. Ivy.

The GS Ball......bugger knows what's inside that, never would have guessed the answer is still a mystery 200 episodes from when Ash got it. The gang went to Azalea Town to give the GS Ball to Prof. Kurt, friend of Prof. Oak. Prof. Kurt says he needs to 'study' it, so Ash left it with him. And that's the last of the GS Ball so far. What does GS stand for anyhow? Great Snake?
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Probably Gold Sliver…
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To continue, Digimon, I which series do you think the charas have the most development? It appers that this has been intertwined with the plot of all the charas overcoming obsitcals in their path, from fear, to self-loathing. I am torn between the first and third seasons… How about you?
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