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Old 23-03-2003, 09:21 AM   #1   [permalink]
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Kiddy Grade opinions

Looking for a new anime to watch and need a little info on this series. Is it good/bad/mediocre?
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Old 23-03-2003, 10:46 AM   #2   [permalink]
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I found kiddy grade to be a great show

Just finished the series, a bumpy start (unnecessary fan service nearly brought it's downfall) but after the first few eps it get much better (the last 2 eps are my fav. )

If you don't mind a few fan service scenes and a mediocre start I say watch it

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After going through numerous interstellar wars, mankind is finally formed an interstellar union. However there are still much disputes and wars occurring amongst the members of the union itself.

In order to resolve this dispute, a secret organization, which is known as GOTT, is formed. They trained agents with special powers to fight for the organization.

Agent Eclair and Lumiere are two girls with outstanding abilities, and they are assigned as partners. Together, they fight, and slowly uncover more and more about the secret of the organization that they work for.
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Old 23-03-2003, 10:50 AM   #3   [permalink]
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I've only seen the first 3 episodes and while I didn't mind the eps, they seemed like it was going to be nothing special and due to bandwidth limits I decided to focus on other series. Though lot's of people thought those early eps were crap as well.

Now from what I've heard.

Episodes 1-8 filler eps
Episodes 9-24 are all story.

Some people who really like this series agree that the first 3 eps are really weak/crap but the rest of the filler eps contain scenes revelant to the overall story.

I for one am going to finish this series off soon since I heard it gets really good. Their doesn't seem to be many people watching (or should I say discussing) Kiddy Grade on AB so you might want to try these forums if you get no further replies in this thread.

www.animenation.com
www.noated.com

They have a few threads up on Kiddy Grade.
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Old 23-03-2003, 10:52 AM   #4   [permalink]
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How did you find the ending to Kiddy Grade a2k?
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Old 23-03-2003, 01:30 PM   #5   [permalink]
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The ending was kind of a happy one, though some people died... It wasn't bad, though I thought the last few eps were a little rushed. Anyway it concluded the story, and also left it open enough for another season.
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Old 24-03-2003, 06:14 AM   #6   [permalink]
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I'm trying to get the rest of the series..

Got the first 3 fine..
And i know where to get the last to but i cant find the middle ones...

Pitty i have to use HTTP to DL everything..

Ah well. Serves me right for being so slow.
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Old 24-03-2003, 08:39 AM   #7   [permalink]
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*Minor Spoilers Below*


I liked the ending, A final battle scene with everyone involved (like the vandread ending), the bad guys with the upper hand and a sacrifice (well... an attempted sacrifice ) to save the day.

The last ep. did seem a little rushed, I would have preferred Kiddy Grade to be a 26 ep series only because I want to see more .

And with an open ending, I wouldn't mind watching another season of KG if it ever happens
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Old 24-03-2003, 08:51 AM   #8   [permalink]
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Kiddy Grade is like an annoying but strangely sympathetic old mutt that somehow crawled into your house. No one knows exactly how or why it got there, but there it is under your dining table begging for food and attention. Someone somewhere recalls some reason to love the old mutt, but all it really does now is sit around and stink the place up. And you, being the compassionate individual that you are, are reluctant to drop kick it out the front door. Such is the way of things with one of the most disappointing series of the year.

The show starts out pretty crappy, but then it actually gets good around episode 10 or so, luring you in with bullshit promises. The second half of the show is pure melodramatic schlock--I've never seen a case in which Deus ex Machina was used so often that it ceased to be a device.

*"OMG! She's dead!! No, wait!!! She's alive!! And she has half a dozen space cruisers hidden away in this lake! And look, here comes the cavalry out of freaking nowhere!"--Cue dramatic pop music!!*

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Old 24-03-2003, 10:28 AM   #9   [permalink]
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I find it to be utter dissappointment

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First 10 episodes were lame and silly. I only watched them because I happened to have them. Around ep 11 - 16, it rocks. It just utterlly blew me away. Then it starts to really suck again. They suffer from the "talking before doing something amazing/comercial break" syndrome. I've watched it up to 19, and can't say I recommend it, although it has the best eyecatches ever.
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Old 31-03-2003, 08:47 AM   #10   [permalink]
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And with an open ending, I wouldn't mind watching another season of KG if it ever happens
For the love of all that is good and holy, NO.
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I finished it.

It really wasn't all that good. Really silly. Does the trailer absoloutly no justice.
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Well, here's my sad, sad story with the crap known as Kiddy Grade:

The first time I laid eyes on this steaming load was upon its initial fansub release. I do not know what possessed me to download it, but in any case I knew full well that with a name like “Kiddy Grade,” it had to be either ridiculous or pedophilic. Or as it later turned out to be, it was a convenient combination of the two. Truth be told, I only watched the first five minutes of the first episode before deeming the show irredeemably inane and promptly deleting it off my hard disk. I was annoyed (perhaps I should say “amazed”) at how many gratuitous panty shots of Éclair the animators managed to fit into such a short period of time, a span of time that included a full-out battle against terrorist battle armor. Were the panty shots unnecessary? I think so. Pointless? Yes. Tasteless? Oh, yes. The sad thing is that my experience with this series could have just stopped there, but it didn’t.

Oh no, you see, I had an acquaintance of sorts who actually dug this series. In fact, when the fansubbers had gotten to episode 10, he wanted me to download that episode, telling me that I should watch it even if I wasn’t going to see another episode of Kiddy Grade in my lifetime. Well, innocently enough I did download it, and I must say that I was suitably impressed. For a show that had begun with nothing except a camera up Éclair’s 10cm-long skirt, it had the makings of a rather respectable plot. With a depiction of class tensions, revolt, and government suppression, that episode cast an intriguing atmosphere of ambivalence towards many of the characters. And surprisingly, despite all indications in the first episode, Éclair actually developed a fairly respectable personality. Unfortunately for me, watching that episode was the first event in a downward spiral. Having been lured in by the quality of episode 10, I then took it upon myself to download the first nine episodes. As I sort of expected, the first seven were fanserviced filler trash. However, I did see signs of improvement, in that the fanservice was settling down to manageable levels and that there were indications of the creative turn not too far off. Episodes 8 and 9 essentially set up Kiddy Grade for episode 10, arguably the best episode of the series. Characters seemed to run around with their personal agendas, and it was looking like life in the Galactic Organization of Trade and Tariffs wasn’t so glamorous after all. At this point I’d even say that the show was “good.” Things were definitely looking up.

So what really went wrong here? Episode 11 ended with Éclair’s and Lumière’s expulsion from GOTT and their subsequent life on the run. Sounds like a setup for a neat story arc, right? It would have been if the writers had not run out ideas right there and then. The three or four episodes following that event were a “monster-of-the-week” deal-- only replace the “monster” with “the former friend who is now hunting us.” I was dismayed by the reappearance of filler, but that could in no way compare to what was I was subjected to afterwards. After the assault on and destruction of GOTT Headquarters, this show attained rarely-imagined levels of absurdity (not in the literary sense). Never could I have imagined the deus ex machina device being used so often that it ceased to be a device. This was not limited to the insane number of character resurrections, such as the miraculous re-appearance of Éclair in a bustier physical form and skimpier outfit, or the caching of expensive equipment in very convenient locations, such as the six or seven space cruisers stashed away in a lake--ships that Assistant Director Eclipse hands over to the Éclair and Lumière clone pairs, seemingly on a whim. The endless “he/she/it/they are dead!/No they’re not!” crap was incredibly thin to begin with, without having to dilute it like they did. Regardless, in a bizarre plot twist, it turned out that the main villains all along were two GOTT agents gone rogue. Not only that, but GOTT was now the common man’s friend. I'm still wondering how the hell that came about. By the final episodes, it was becoming surreal. Following the rather exploitive multiple use of the “Luke, I am your father” device, the show launched itself into another round of deaths and resurrections, joined by the sudden appearance of allies that literally come out of nowhere.

Incredibly enough, the botched plot was only factor contributing to the horridness of Kiddy Grade. I did mention the fanservice earlier in the review, but I have not commented on the exact nature of the fanservice. Granted, in the first few episodes, the number of shots starring Éclair’s panties was completely unmanageable. However, it soon got down to “normal” levels by anime standards. That was not what was disturbing. The truly disturbing aspects of this show rest squarely on Lumière, Éclair’s 9-year-old partner who walked around in an equivalent of a one-piece bathing suit for most of the show. I can understand fanservicing the older, bustier Éclair, but I can’t see the exploitation of Lumière as anything more than pedophilic fetish. Aside from the skimpy outfit, the active (s)exploitation not that prominent in the show itself, though it did present itself on various occasions. One such incident had Lumière straddling an unconscious Éclair’s midsection, as if implying precocious lesbian tendencies. The official “intermission screens,” on the other hand, seem to depict Lumière in compromising porn-like poses with disturbing regularity. Sickening, at the very least. I’d say that the show’s character designs lend themselves easily to this sort of artwork. I’ve even seen a fan-made wallpaper that featured Lumière and another female character, Tweedledee, hugging. Upon closer inspection, Tweedledee’s hands seem to be firmly planted on Lumière’s ass. It makes my skin crawl to think of the sorts of people that could pick up on a show like this.

Kiddy Grade is a complete waste of time, from the unbearably Engrished j-pop opening to the incoherent morass of melodrama, innumerable deus ex machinae, and ambiguous pedophilia that followed. To this day, I wonder why I forced myself to sit through this show, simply based on the fact that it did show promise for about three episodes. For some reason, I persevered, hoping that it would get better, even as it collapsed under the weight of its own nonsense. Unless you want to feel your IQ draining by the minute, don’t watch this.
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Old 03-04-2003, 02:47 AM   #13   [permalink]
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HEYE! I've got nothign in particilar todo right now so I'll give my view on Kiddy Grade. I've borroved a couple of sentences from a couple of users in here. I hope that's allright. If not then i'll remove them.

WARNING WARNING! THIS THREAD CONTAINS A LOT OF SPOLIERS!!



On with the show.

I got myself the 9 first eps of Kiddy Grade and I decided to watch a couple of eps, just to see if it's worth to continue to download it, I never watch a series untill I've got it complete nowadays.

So I watched a couple of eps and it seemed a bit so so, a 16 year old chick looking...older, very well equipped, and this 10 year old blue haired girl that drinks red wine, and all of these pantie shot. The action was..episodic, they cought the bad guy etc etc yadda yadda These things are not something that rhymes well with the anime styles I usually likes to enjoy to watch.

Anyway, Got myself the 24 eps..finally. Sat down and watched. Yupp, a lotta fanservice, seemed like they had a Dirty Pair FLash complex altho it didn't work nearly aswell...A lot of Fanserivice, seriously..I dont enjoy seeing a 10 year old girl in "...an equivalent of a one-piece bathing suit for most of the show. I can understand fanservicing the older, bustier Éclair..."

Hmm, read some rewievs and found out that the show is supposedly a lot better after the 8:th eps. And YAH! Hell yah! Got better, now the character development started, we get to peek into Eclair and her life. Apparantly things has happened in the past, she's experienced a lot of things, her hand has been stained with blood for a long time (Reminds me of the Mang aseries Agharta) I started to really like the show after this, such good character buildup there and the following eps are about Eclair, her life, events in the past and you start to get a feelin that somethings much deeper than it looks. And then BAM she snapped sortof..she snapped free of the bonds tying here to the rule book. Wouldn't blame her...

(Character development is one of the very main things I treasure in an manga/anime series. A characted should evolve during the time we follow it.)

She blows up GOTT or..so it seems This eps kinda kicks ass becuase here we get to see how all of the character gets kinda thorn appart, one one side their friendship with the lovely Eclaire and the other hand their Duty, and we get to see the power of Eclaire and Lumiere, we get to see them kick ass!

We get to see a flashback of Eclairs awakening in her old appartment etc etc, interresting stuff

Anyway, we've now entered episode 17 and...and...the character design is changed totally....At the end of ep 18 (or was is 17..) you get to understand why etc. This is not something i like...Eclair had a very interresting personallity that went well with her appearance altho they could've decreased her bust juuust a little..YAH you hear me right!..(Wont go further into that part)..They sorta ripped that harmony between personally character away...by giving them a new appearance, ohh yeah..evne more bustier, even more fanservice even shorter dress, and in the most crucial situations we get to see pantie shots. Not strange if we are to look at her dress. And this new design didn't even reesemble any of her older designs.

Now, what really bugged me was the relationship between Eclipse and Eclaire they seemed to be best pals again despite the fact that

1. she did NOT grant Eclaires request when Eclair was at that hideout investigating that pwoerfull planetkiller bomb (that Alv and Dvarg had to take care of at the end)

2. Eclipse sent out the purgatory squads when Eclaire went against her orders.

I thought they were mad at eachother after this. But ohh now "I understand", Peace love and underdtanding, and Eclips had even 6 brand new La Musse shipts ready for the 6 KG XLite pairs that Dvarg created..just like that.

We also get to know that it infact was Eclipse that saved Eclaire and Lumiere and gave them their new bodies, why? I believe that it was becuase she aswell knew that things were wery wrong which we get confirmed later on with the document full of "underground cases".

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This is also where one question comes to mind
1. WHY DIDN'T Eclipse grant Eclairs request when she were at that hideout trying to find out about that planet killer bomb ? Even Mercredi realised something was wrong.

That's the only thing with Kiddy Grade I can't figure out for now.

I understand that she had to send out those purgatory squads since she was the director after all and had to do it.
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Let's continue. After this (ep 18 or so) the story started to go a bit downhill again, more action less character development more fanservice.

You know more than one time I had the following thought in my head::

"OMG! She's dead!! No, wait!!! She's alive!! And she has half a dozen *space cruisers hidden away in this lake! And look, here comes the cavalry out of freaking nowhere!"* (Comment to the writer: You hit the nail on the head there)

It happened many times. TO many times IMO. There was ALWAYS a backup, heck even when they got absorbed we ge to know that Lumiere had some secret abillity we didn't really know about that saved the day.

Ending:
Ending was a good one. Eclaire changed body again to a more suited one which I found very possitive I dont know if it was because her previous body couldn't keep up with the strain she put on it during the last fight with Dvarg or if it was to be able to go more undercover again...I mean this got streamed all over the galaxy, it would probably draw a lot of attention. It could be one possibillity.

I dont knwo about Che being transferred into that new kids body, after all. We dont even get to know anything about that process (reminds me of RahXephon), are they even able to transfer the mind of a human mind down to what looked like a normal infant? It looked to me like they were more or less enhanced humans or even cyborgs (one eps brought that into light regarding the speed generator that was implemented into a chick), where would they get their new bodies from? We know that Eclipse has the abillity to take care of things in one way or another regarding patching together wounds.

but it looked to me like either:
they transferred their minds into new bodies
or remade their old ones.

Hard to tell which possibillity altho remaking the old ones would be most logical if we are to look at the abillity of Eclipse. I think that one could discuss this matter for a long time since we dont really know how it works, atleast I didn't get much info about it (perhaps I forgott those parts?


Soo to summarise the whole thing:
To much fanservice, especially on the very young looking Lumiere
Eclair couldäve had just a liiitle smaller bust and her design would've been perfect, but that's just a minor thing.

First 8 eps were fanserivice full of a Dirty Pair Flash Complex

Next 10 eps very really good with character development, a lot more story
Next 8 eps were a bit dissapointing compared to the 10 past eps, still good but oculd've been better.

"OMG! She's dead!! No, wait!!! She's alive!! And she has half a dozen *space cruisers hidden away in this lake! And look, here comes the cavalry out of freaking nowhere!"*

Ending was good, a happy ending which is good every now and then, I'm glad that she got a new body layout that followed her older one a bit more altho I was almsot mesmerized by her golden orblike beautiful (if i may use that expression in this case) eyes.

1 question:
1. WHY DIDN'T Eclipse grant Eclairs request when she were at that hideout trying to find out about that planet killer bomb ? Even Mercredi realised something was wrong.


Recommendation: Watch it if you like action, fanservice..even if it's of a 10 year old girl aswell..But I managed to tune out that part..Still, Gonzo could've done better than that.
There is some good character development altho it's mostly focused on Eclair (Still nowhere close to Haibane Renmei and those character development series only)

Thank you for your reading..this was a long post...A lot of ramblings.

Heck, this was the longest post i've written in a while..i bet it's full of spelling errors aswell as some grammatical errors here and there

Thank you and good night!

A Friend gave (Masakari) gave me a small response which I agree on so I'll post it here aswell:

Well, you're right, I don't think they ever directly explain that. You can tell for a while though that Eclipse seems kinda uncomfortable with Eclair getting involved in certain kinds of things (I suppose because she knows Eclair has G-Class powers). That's a silly plot twist the show does, for a long time they play Eclair and Eclipse against each other and make it seem like Eclipse is 'out to get' Eclair to some degree, but then suddenly in 19 they're best friends and helping each other out. I mean, has Eclair just forgotten that Eclipse tried multiple times to have Lumiere and her killed? And has Eclipse also forgotten that Eclair openly defied her orders and launched an attack on GOTT headquarters (presumably) in order to take Eclipse out? They try to play it off by blaming all the problems on the Nobles (or Nouvlesse, whatever), but it never felt very convincing to me.

IMO, it's just shoddy scriptwriting, not anything that we're missing.
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Old 05-04-2003, 11:49 AM   #14   [permalink]
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In response to: "OMG! She's dead!! No, wait!!! She's alive!! And she has half a dozen *space cruisers hidden away in this lake! And look, here comes the cavalry out of freaking nowhere!"*

Well typical GONZO is. They always have backup. They always have those super special weapons out of nowhere which will save the day, done too many times in Vandread, Full Metal Panic and Gatekeepers.

The difference? Kiddy Grade's plot is MASSIVE. I really got absorbed ever since episode 9, and that major destruction of GOTT in episode 15 gave me the shivers! Where does it lead to? Even better plot from 16-onwards! I consider ep. 9-19 as anime history. Never would I have expected anything as good as this. But 20-24 is typical GONZO still, super flashy and that annoying backup thingie.

But still overall this is the best of what I've seen from them guys since Saikano.
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Massive, my ass. I just call it inept writing.
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