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Old 23-07-2003, 09:53 PM   #1   [permalink]
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Intellectual anime

What is your fav intellectual anime?

If this thread is anything to go by, it would seem that many people have a distaste for Gasaraki and .hack//SIGN. It seems the most common excuses would be:
- It's boring
- It's incomprehensible
- Nothing happens

Now, I have seen Gasaraki (I'm the proud owner of the perfect collection!) and whilst I have yet to see .hack//SIGN, I know enough of it to know the basic set up. I also know enough to know that there are some great ideas used in the creation of both series. And that is enough for me. I like any anime that challenges the perceptions of it's audience and uses intrigue to get it's point across - if everything I need to know was dumped right in front of me would I keep going back to it?
Henceforth, I rate Gasaraki, Lain, Patlabor, Ghost in the Shell and even Wings of Honneamise rather highly in my list (but I'm not afraid to have some fun which is why I get a kick out of Vandread, Card Captor Sakura and Slayers).

Furthermore, I use my interest for intriguing anime as an act of defiance: I dispise the commonly held cliche that anime is associated with porn. So, in order to avoid falling into such a trap, I seek out 'intellectual' stuff with eagerness. In fact there is only one anime in my collection that could be considered a porn title and that's Wicked City - But even that has some atmospheric bite to back up it's bark.

But the fact that people are condemning .hack//SIGN and Gasaraki so much is certainly an excuse to raise an eyebrow on my part. What does it prove? That when we see giant mecha we expect them to blow the crap out of each other? if I wanted to see mindless violence and little else, I would watch Genocyber (i just dare you to say something good about that). Likewise, when we see people with swords, do we expect them to get stuck into each other? Who's making such assessments of .hack//SIGN? Fans of Ninja Scroll?

Have we no patience with intellectual anime? Or are we all just inflexible with our tastes in genre?


I'll leave it on that note
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Old 24-07-2003, 02:19 AM   #2   [permalink]
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I honestly don't know why people condemn .hack//sign or Gasaraki. Personally I think Gasaraki is a good show, and to an extent .hack//sign is as well.

My favorites, though, would still be up with Eva, Rahxephon, and Now and Then, Here and There.
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Old 24-07-2003, 02:31 AM   #3   [permalink]
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Spike, you should check out RahXephon.

I agree with Honneamise and Gasaraki being great, and I haven't yet seen the others you mention. I for one have no problem with what you call "intelectual anime". Just as something mindless and fun (my new Scryed!) has it's place, so do things that are slow and deliberate. In the end, it is those that I prefer more than the other end of the spectrum.
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Old 24-07-2003, 06:35 AM   #4   [permalink]
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Somehow I never thought of Slayers as being intellectual

I like stories that make me think, and where I have to watch all the way through to know what is going to happen at the end. If I can watch the first 3 eps and guess the rest of the plot myself, I often won't bother. So, an intellectual thumbs up for Lain and Cardcaptor Sakura, also Saikano and Haibane Renmei.
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Old 24-07-2003, 07:36 PM   #5   [permalink]
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So much of anime is interpertation. Much of it is just noise, bouncing boobies and gore. If this is your game, more power to you. (Then again, Jenny Jones and Jerry Springer are high in the ratings too.... there's an audience for everything.

While very few anime made over the last few years are for those who are geered to the higher persuits, here are some that I feel are above the others inthat they require some thought. You may be surprised at my selections:

Big "O"
Cowboy Bebop
Noir
Ghost in the shell
Ninja Scrolls
Jin Roh
Trigun(Parts of it at least)
Candidate for Goddess (Again, parts of the series)
Princess Mononoke (The non-Di$neyized version)
Metropolis
and
Amazing Nurse Nanoko (I know what you're thinking)
But of all of these shows, it's the only one that looks into the ethics of cloning a loved one. That alone makes the show a winner to me.)

There are others, but these come to mind right now.
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Old 24-07-2003, 08:26 PM   #6   [permalink]
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I also have the Perfect Collection of Gasaraki and I also think it's a borderline great show. However, I include it with Escaflowne and Trigun because they all attempted to "get deep" near the mid sections and end...and it didn't quite work as well as the ones below.

All the anime I have has some level of intellectualism in it that I like, even DBZ. My favorites for the "make you ponder" category are Neon Genesis Evangelion, Serial Experiments Lain, Boogiepop Phantom, Akira, Perfect Blue, Berserk, and Revolutionary Girl Utena.

I haven't finished RahXephon yet, but it looks like it's heading down the intellectual path.
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Old 24-07-2003, 09:50 PM   #7   [permalink]
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The Berserk manga actually has pretty much "intellectual" content, even though it isn't apparent in most of it. I've always said it's a very intresting manga if you can ignore the over abundant gore, orgies and occasional tentacle rape.
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Old 25-07-2003, 01:54 PM   #8   [permalink]
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  • .hack//sign
  • Boogiepop Phantom
  • Serial Experiments Lain
  • RahXephon
  • A couple of others I have already forgotten the name of.

That numbers close to all the animes I have watched and liked. Minus a couple such as Furi Kuri ( Who could fit into the intellectual group ), Record of Lodoss War, and a very few others.
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Old 25-07-2003, 07:21 PM   #9   [permalink]
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Re: Intellectual anime

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But the fact that people are condemning .hack//SIGN and Gasaraki so much is certainly an excuse to raise an eyebrow on my part. What does it prove?
It proves that the majority of people prefer action over substance. People today are used to entertainment that's designed to blow them away visually. It isn't hard to see how much the dialogue and plot of said entertainment has suffered as a result. Movies (live action and animation) have come to focus on stunning visuals to capture an audience, rather than actual substance, and maybe people have come to expect this. So when there's an anime that's like .hack//SIGN and Lain (dialogue-oriented rather than action-oriented), they feel disappointed and move on to a different show that will give them a nice - plotless - visual spectacle.

Personally, I like anime like .hack//SIGN and Lain. Sometimes it's fun to let your mind melt and dribble out your ears while you're watching two mechas fight... but it's also fun when something comes along with a plot that's unique and interesting and pacing that's different from the norm. .hack//SIGN is slow, and that's probably why so many people dislike it, but it's a nice step away from the fight-a-day anime.

I don't have many intellectual anime in my collection (they're so scarce!) but I watch them more often than the rest of my collection combined. And every time I watch them, I see something new I never noticed before. That's the best part, IMO.


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Incidentally, I've started watching Haibane Renmei right now as part of the screening schedule of my local anime society. Already I'm liking what I've seen - But it's interesting to note that the protagonists spend the episode doing ordinary things (like visiting a bakery and a clock tower) but it hardly isn't as dull as it sounds.

And this isn't the first time I've been recommended RahXephon
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Old 28-07-2003, 02:54 AM   #11   [permalink]
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Re: Intellectual anime

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Have we no patience with intellectual anime? Or are we all just inflexible with our tastes in genre?

Too many humans have no patience with anything intellectual.
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Old 28-07-2003, 09:29 AM   #12   [permalink]
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Incidentally, I've started watching Haibane Renmei right now as part of the screening schedule of my local anime society. Already I'm liking what I've seen - But it's interesting to note that the protagonists spend the episode doing ordinary things (like visiting a bakery and a clock tower) but it hardly isn't as dull as it sounds.
Wait till you get to ep 13...
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Old 28-07-2003, 08:16 PM   #13   [permalink]
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Gryshnak: Can't wait

Okay, I've managed to pick up a Madman promotional DVD. And on the disc was a whole bunch of trailers and sample eps - One of which being the infamous .hack//SIGN. Eager to see what all the fuss was about, i saw this first ep......

And I can safely say that I am curious and intrigued enough to the point that I want to see more.
Plus, I also think Subaru is a QT
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Old 28-07-2003, 11:25 PM   #14   [permalink]
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I really like the deeper anime titles, especially those that mess with your head.

Building upon Nulani's list:
# .hack//sign
# Boogiepop Phantom
# Serial Experiments Lain
# RahXephon
# Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou
# Neon Genesis Evangelion
# Read Or Die
# FLCL


Romantic non-trivial plots:
# Maison Ikkoku
# Kimagure Orange Road
# Please Save my Earth
# Kero Kano
# Kanon
# DNA2
# 3x3 Eyes
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Old 29-07-2003, 01:52 PM   #15   [permalink]
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Alesil The Berserk manga actually has pretty much "intellectual" content, even though it isn't apparent in most of it. I've always said it's a very intresting manga if you can ignore the over abundant gore, orgies and occasional tentacle rape.
occasional tentacle rape, occasional like in every single volume
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