Did the filler ruin the Sasuke VS Naruto episode?

stdio.h · 04-11-2004, 07:22 AM

Someone pointed out to me how the past few filler episodes sorta killed what the manga has going, considering Naruto used the rasengan multiple times right in front of sasuke, even though that was supposed to basically be the secret weapon in his battle against sasuke (note how sasuke said something like "what is that technique?" in response to naruto using it). I don't recall, but is it possible that Sasuke was not paying attention at the time when naruto used the rasengan against the annoying guy with the unbrella the first few times, during the filler? That wouldn't explain what naruto did underwater with the whirlpool, which Sasuke clearly saw. Ideas?

PowerofGod · 15-11-2004, 12:54 PM

Well VS the weird umbrella guy i think Sasuke got knocked off the cliff before Naruto used it again, and before that he wasn't there yet. He never actually saw the Resengan, as for the whirlpool thing, ehh yeah it HEH HEH but still he never saw the Rasengan for what it was. But for a plus side it did give Sasuke more reason to hate Naruto, considering Sasuke used Chidori twice and it didn't do much and he was easily thrown off a cliff while Naruto somehow beat him down easily(at least to Sasuke maybe).

Fatal Outlaw · 16-11-2004, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by stdio.h

Someone pointed out to me how the past few filler episodes sorta killed what the manga has going, considering Naruto used the rasengan multiple times right in front of sasuke, even though that was supposed to basically be the secret weapon in his battle against sasuke (note how sasuke said something like "what is that technique?" in response to naruto using it). I don't recall, but is it possible that Sasuke was not paying attention at the time when naruto used the rasengan against the annoying guy with the unbrella the first few times, during the filler? That wouldn't explain what naruto did underwater with the whirlpool, which Sasuke clearly saw. Ideas?

It didn't. The multiple times naruto used the rasengan against Aoi, Sasuke was not there yet (begginning of fight), and fell off the cliff (after the fight). the other time in the sea when NAruto created the whirlpool, it was only the first stage, and sasuke only looked at it as "collecting chakra within your hands", although he considered the move clever.

Now, in episode 107, during the sasuke naruto fight, sasuke still says "what is that technique"

**eva2000** · 17-11-2004, 12:32 PM

yeah exactly, the filler was actually pretty nice change especially if you read ahead in the manga already hehe

Takahashi · 17-11-2004, 01:55 PM

I was more annoyed about the fact that it was a filler than anything else, the whole thing was silly.

stdio.h · 17-11-2004, 04:26 PM

I don't have a problem with filler so long as it is done well. I mean, if you hate filler that much, just read the manga and be done with it.

Fatal Outlaw · 17-11-2004, 08:52 PM

I thought the filler was average. It was only for 6 episodes (with 101 a stand alone episode, stupid, but funny). The main villain was stupid, but I like how it ended.

Takahashi · 18-11-2004, 01:56 PM

Actually, I find the main character in that filler kind annoying, the villain was kinda stupid and how the hell do you break a sword made out of pure energy

stdio.h · 18-11-2004, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Takahashi

how the hell do you break a sword made out of pure energy

I don't think the rules of breaking swords of pure energy are all that defined......not to mention, there is no guarantee the sword was made out of pure energy ...

Fatal Outlaw · 18-11-2004, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by Takahashi

Actually, I find the main character in that filler kind annoying, the villain was kinda stupid and how the hell do you break a sword made out of pure energy

i dont know if it was directed to me, but i also said the main villain during the filler arc was stupid.

Takahashi · 18-11-2004, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by stdio.h

I don't think the rules of breaking swords of pure energy are all that defined......not to mention, there is no guarantee the sword was made out of pure energy ...

I am pretty sure that sword doesn't have a blade, just a handle that emits lightning, ever tried to shortcircuit a battery with your bare hands, the energy rather runs through you than break up, same effect with lightning just on a scale a few thousand(millions?) times stronger. What I am saying is it is physics, energy is in constant flux, it doesn't stand still to let you crack it or break it.

Takahashi · 18-11-2004, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Fatal Outlaw

i dont know if it was directed to me, but i also said the main villain during the filler arc was stupid.

What I am saying is that the story arc is stupid not just the villain. Can you honestly say that you didn't raise your brow at the way they handle things. For one I wouldn't bet my power and life on some kid running a silly race. The whole he believes in me so I have to try harder gets repeated so often it annoys the hell out of me.

Fatal Outlaw · 18-11-2004, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by Takahashi

What I am saying is that the story arc is stupid not just the villain. Can you honestly say that you didn't raise your brow at the way they handle things. For one I wouldn't bet my power and life on some kid running a silly race. The whole he believes in me so I have to try harder gets repeated so often it annoys the hell out of me.

well, true, I did raise my brow at the way they handled things. I don't like the sappy moments either, but I did like how the arc finished. I've seen far worse fillers (pretty much kenshin after kyoto and the dbz ones) that I thought that this one wasn't that bad (however, bad compared to the manga). Not great as the episodes that follows the manga though. This is a question that relies on the opinion, so yea, I can't blame you (and the other 10000000 fans) for feeling that way.

stdio.h · 19-11-2004, 02:54 AM

Originally Posted by Takahashi

I am pretty sure that sword doesn't have a blade, just a handle that emits lightning, ever tried to shortcircuit a battery with your bare hands, the energy rather runs through you than break up, same effect with lightning just on a scale a few thousand(millions?) times stronger. What I am saying is it is physics, energy is in constant flux, it doesn't stand still to let you crack it or break it.

....wow.....

I am not going to be an ------- and start quoting from my electricity and magnetism textbook. First of all, I don't understand what you mean about the battery....'the energy rather runs through you than break up'.

You are assuming that the handle emits 'lightning' per say, the handle emits energy, and that energy=lightning. I am going to go out on a limb here and say that all three of those assumptions are false. First of all, lightning isn't pure energy, it is a plasma that is essentially the result when a huge electric field due to a difference of potential, is able to rip the negative electrons away from the positive nucleuses of the relevent atoms, thus changing their physical characteristics. The result is a strong conductor that allows electrons to flow to whatever the lightning strikes, in the form of an arc. Remember, current is a beam of charge, not energy.

'What I am saying is it is physics, energy is in constant flux'

I am not sure if I understand what you are trying to get at with that statement. Without going into Maxwell's equations...flux is an important concept in order to find fields. Energy is NOT a flux.....constant or otherwise. Flux is the value of lines (field, current, etc) times the area that they intersect, and possibly times a cos(theta) if there is an offset from the normal. The units of flux can't reduce to Joules so far as I know.

'it doesn't stand still to let you crack it or break it'

If by 'it' you mean pure energy, then I will agree you can't crack it or break it, and that it doesn't stand still, but that is because energy is not a physical thing. Work is the change in energy.

Generally, my biggest qualm with what you said in that last post was that relevent physics theories dictate that the sword should not have been crackable. As a physics major I am telling you there is no logical explanation for how that sword worked, and therefore there is no way to tell what could or couldn't crack it, because we don't know what IT is. It is just fiction so we can take it at face value...

Btw, if I explained a concept of physics incorrectly, point it out so I can fix my understanding of that concept

Takahashi · 19-11-2004, 01:24 PM

My bad then, I haven't had physics in 6 years, can't remember whats what, just that the crack in the damn sword doesn't make sense to me in the first place. By flux I meant fluctuation(electrons moves around rather than standing still, otherwise it doesn't generate energy or something like that), just wrote it in short assume everybody knew what I meant(I don't use english on a daily base, since its not common tongue here).

Anyway the sword is silly, it can't even kill a bunch of kids on ninja entry level, what good is it against stronger opponents.