Some reasons why FF can suck...

[Magnus9]

OK First of all I have to say that I am a friggin adult who loves video games for the EXPERIENCE as much as you all do! BUT gameplay, music, graphics is what MAKES the experience! For me the experience of FFVIII was well ------! Im not saying you should think the same thing IM just saying in my opinion the game sucked and I didnt like it. I already gave my reasons for not liking it and they are all legitimate. I consider myself very mature for my age and do like love stories! Wether its in movies or games! Dont call me young and immature cuz I sure as hell am not! Im 18 and ive already had to deal with som many mature situations and now Im attending a private school so I can get my bachelor's in programming and maybe one day MAKE my own games! I love games and I love FF!! I cant believe my opinion turned me into the bad guy and now Im over here trying to defend myself and will only be attacked more anyway. NO MATTER WHAT I SAY you will all just tell me to go ---- myself! So I say screw it! You guys hate me and thats fine so Ill just stay away from now on.

[heart havok]

Originally posted by Magnus9
OK First of all I have to say that I am a friggin adult who loves video games for the EXPERIENCE as much as you all do! BUT gameplay, music, graphics is what MAKES the experience! For me the experience of FFVIII was well ------! Im not saying you should think the same thing IM just saying in my opinion the game sucked and I didnt like it. I already gave my reasons for not liking it and they are all legitimate. I consider myself very mature for my age and do like love stories! Wether its in movies or games! Dont call me young and immature cuz I sure as hell am not! Im 18 and ive already had to deal with som many mature situations and now Im attending a private school so I can get my bachelor's in programming and maybe one day MAKE my own games! I love games and I love FF!! I cant believe my opinion turned me into the bad guy and now Im over here trying to defend myself and will only be attacked more anyway. NO MATTER WHAT I SAY you will all just tell me to go ---- myself! So I say screw it! You guys hate me and thats fine so Ill just stay away from now on.

first of all, and most importantly... i do NOT hate you. i respect your opinion, and i donot have any problem with you disliking ffVIII. if you felt offended by anything i said, just know that none of it was personal. just as you are free to voice your opinion, i was simply voicing mine. please, continue to come here... i know i have enjoyed many of your contributions in the FFforums as i'm sure others have. however, please be ware that not everything is directed towards you. and if you say anything derogatory about a FFgame in this forum, then you should be expecting atleast someone to jump out and defend that game. maybe you're not used to these boards yet, but at AnimeBoards, we believe in discussion and debate without being mean. if you think someone was trying to be mean to you, then just ask them, i'm sure they weren't. there's nothing wrong with disagreeing. nothing wrong at all.

about you being a "mature adult" however, i would have never doubted that you were mature until after reading this post you just made. no offense intended, but demanding to me that you are mature only tells me otherwise.

[Pen²]

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nobody says they hate you...

i said each is entitled his opinion...but the topic of "I hate Final Fantasy so-and-so" has been brought up too many times...

some people love it
some people hate it

DEAL WITH IT!

[stdio.h]

Originally posted by Magnus9
I am a friggin adult ... Im 18 and ...

I know a lot of people MUCH older than you who are not adults

[stdio.h]

Originally posted by heart havok
[B]

eitherway, stdio.h... i disagree with you. in ffVII we have Cloud, sure he's fucked in the head, but he's your basic virtuous hero who wants to do good.

Hey Hey, I'm not making fun of your FF8 guy, so don't make fun of my FF7 one!!! Hee Hee.


Seriously, Cloud is most definetly NOT your generic main character. Neither is Squall. I think it is fair to leave it at that.

[heart havok]

there's no way in hell that i am making fun of Cloud, he's one of my favourite characters of all time... be it FFgame, Anime, Movie, or any STORY even... eitherway, i'm not saying anyone's generic.

[KAS]

I can't see any reason why FF can suck... those who do ought to get beaten with a sharp pointy stick.

[stdio.h]

Naw, the soft and blunt ones hurt a lot more! But seriously, we do have to allow people to dislike what we like assuming they provide a valid reason.

[GB888]

I think that for some reason it's cool to hate Final Fantasy 8. You don't need a reason, it's just cool with the kids. You're considered an outsider if you actually liked the gameplay of FF8. Let me say this, I think Final Fantasy 8 had the best gameplay out of all of them (even 6, yeah that's right Magnus, I said 8 has better gameplay than 6 ) and I really REALLY hated FF9. FF8 had believeable characters and neat visuals, along with the junction system. For some reason people claim the Junction system was all hard to learn but then they go out and beat Final Fantasy Tactics for 85th time. It was simple, you just add whatever magic made your stats go up the highest. It was great for customizing characters to your liking and hey, if it was too hard to understand, then use the freakin' auto-junction option!!!!

Something else I've noticed is people claim that FF8 wasn't living up the "fantasy" in "Final Fantasy". People, fantasy doesn't always have to mean swords and sorcery, dragons, and princesses kidnapped by an evil wizard. Fantasy means something that can't be done in real life. FF8's sci-fi aspects certainly live up to the fantasy element in my book. What I didn't like about FF9 was that it seemed like Square tried to make it "too fantasy". What's up with all of those animal/people hybrids, like Zidane and Freya?! It felt like I was watching something on Nickelodeon, not playing an epic Square game.

So that's that. I've just been revealed to be "unhip" since I liked FF8. But guess what? I also love Sega and the Dreamcast. I love Kurt Angle of the WWF. I love to watch America's Funniest Home Videos. I guess it goes to show that it's hip to be square sometimes (no pun intended).

[Yui_Reborn]

*applauds*

[isamudyson]

I agree that it has become cool to rank on FF8. It's not my favorite FF but it was a good game. Yes, the draw part got kind of repetitive, but it doesn't take as long as say spending an hour in Tactics or Front Mission getting your characters and equipment ready for one battle. FF always has a new world and characters each time and despite what anyone says about 7 it was the best game around when it came out. Square kept with the sci-fi atmosphere when they made 8 since it worked with 7. Since so many people cried about 8, I was really worried about how 9 would be since it was not going to be anything like 7 or 8. But 9 isn't as bad as I thought it would be. However you really miss Diablos' encounter none ability since there are way too many random battles, but then you realize that you need to fight all those battles if you don't want to get annihilated. I tried to move the plot along but if you don't fight enough then you get crushed before you know what happened.

[ssjkasey]

My my. This topic certainly turned interesting. Maybe I shouldn't have turned away at the first page.

Originally posted by GB888
I think that for some reason it's cool to hate Final Fantasy 8. You don't need a reason, it's just cool with the kids. You're considered an outsider if you actually liked the gameplay of FF8.

That doesn't make much sense. I don't like it because I think it's bad. Fairly simple. I haven't ever seen anyone's "coolness" jump through the roof because they said the didn't like Final Fantasy Eight. I know a lot of people that love Final Fantasy eight, hate seven, and I don't think any more, or any less of them.

Let me say this, I think Final Fantasy 8 had the best gameplay out of all of them (even 6, yeah that's right Magnus, I said 8 has better gameplay than 6 ) and I really REALLY hated FF9. FF8 had believeable characters and neat visuals, along with the junction system. For some reason people claim the Junction system was all hard to learn but then they go out and beat Final Fantasy Tactics for 85th time. It was simple, you just add whatever magic made your stats go up the highest. It was great for customizing characters to your liking and hey, if it was too hard to understand, then use the freakin' auto-junction option!!!!

I don't think six had the best system. Nine's system was by far the most we balanced. Every character had a different fighting style, every character could hold their own in battles, despite having extremely different styles. The battles themselves became more interesting, because any character you brought to battle, would bring life to the battles, as each characters style was unique, and not rehashed from the last person you had in your party.

Tactics had strict limitations on what characters could do. You couldn't have a character that knew everything, and could do anything. I'm well aware that you could force characters to be like jobs in eight. It's one of the "perks" that I've given the game.

But it was still ridiculous how much power the characters had. You are allowed to get away with too much in the game. It was too easy. Why restrict yourself? It's like playing basketball with you great grandfather. Sure, you could just beat the hell out of him in the game, but you feel sorry for him, so you goof off, and let him score some points against you. All restrictions do is let the enemy you're fighting with get a few points in. You know you're going to win, there is nothing pushing you to your limits, nothing forcing you to try hard. It's an empty victory.

Something else I've noticed is people claim that FF8 wasn't living up the "fantasy" in "Final Fantasy". People, fantasy doesn't always have to mean swords and sorcery, dragons, and princesses kidnapped by an evil wizard. Fantasy means something that can't be done in real life. FF8's sci-fi aspects certainly live up to the fantasy element in my book.

Fantasy as in "their" "fantasy." Just like you have the right to fantasize about sci/fi themes.

What I didn't like about FF9 was that it seemed like Square tried to make it "too fantasy". What's up with all of those animal/people hybrids, like Zidane and Freya?! It felt like I was watching something on Nickelodeon, not playing an epic Square game.

tsk tsk. Dogging Amano's style can lead to heart failure.

So that's that. I've just been revealed to be "unhip" since I liked FF8. But guess what? I also love Sega and the Dreamcast. I love Kurt Angle of the WWF. I love to watch America's Funniest Home Videos. I guess it goes to show that it's hip to be square sometimes (no pun intended). [/B]

I'm the most "unhip" person on this Planet.

[ssjkasey]

BETTER LATE THAN NEVER!!!!

All Pen2

Blegh

What the hell is wrong with FFVIII? And I want a legitimate answer, not just "it sucks" with a quadruple exclamation mark.

it sucks!!!!<-------I'm funny!

FFVIII is quite possibly my favourite in the series. I'll admit that the love theme gets beaten over your head like a mouldy trout, but I don't care.

I didn't mind the love in the story. Best part of the game!

The characters and story were exquisitly detailed,

and if you had problems with the draw system, well thats because you're too used to equipping your ultra-mega-death materia and throwing the odd ether on yourself.

[/b]

That's asinine.

It was a more than welcome change for me. So before you reply with a post all in capitals with exclamation marks scattered like confetti, i'd just like to say that you're not going to change my ::glare::ing opinion, so save your keyboard that undeserved usage. Good day to you all and if I offend, get a life.

[/b]

Glad you liked eight. I didn't.

All Havok

how the ---- can ANYONE say that the Draw System in FFVIII ruined the game for them, but the ending to FFVII didn't ruin THAT game for them? seriously, if you're gonna' be bitching about change, then how about the completely untraditional ending FFVII disturbingly slapped us in the face with?

Because they aren't relevant to each other. Maybe the junction system was unfun to play with, and ruined eight? Nah, that would be an easy, and obvious reason.

the Draw System was completely efficient, they were telling a story where magic ceased to exist unless you're a Sorceress, so what better way to keep magic in the game than allow the characters to draw it from monsters?

That's a contradiction. If magic doesn't exist unless your a sorceress, IT CAN'T EXIST TO ANYTHING ELSE. But, looking past that, are you saying magic doesn't exist because it was destroyed in six? Continuation getting the better of you?

i understand if you don't like the game style of it because it may not have been completely EASY for you to remember to get your asses to stop holding down the single attack button and do something more... but WHAT THE ----?

???

final fantasy is supposed to give us a DIFFERENT fantasy story each time, not the same rapetative ---- over and over and over again.

No ----. And it's ignorant to think people will love every story pumped out from Square.

one observation i've made is that most younger males do not seem to appreciate the story to FFVIII as much as females and older males do... why may this be?

Really? I'm an older male, and I didn't "appreciate" the poorly done story. ODD.

the most probable reason i've come up with is that the story to FFVIII is much more mature than the previous stories.

maybe it could have also been because the hero of the story isn't your typical Virtuous hero with Merits sprouting out his ears.

Haha, or maybe it was because they made the hero an un likable --------.

they brought the characters more "down to earth" where they were forced to face more personal obstacles than in the other games.

What the Hell does being an ------- have to be with being "down to earth"? And the trials and tribulations they face in eight weren't any more personal than the other games.

what's wrong with change? nothing.

No, when change goes in the direction I don't like, there's something wrong with it.

i've been thinking... maybe the reason that i find myself seeming to enjoy this video game series more than many of you, MAY simply be because i donot look into the games as simple Video Games i hear you complaining about Game Play and Draw Systems or Juntion Systems... but what about experience?

I think someone said this already, but I'm too tired to look. The experience in Final Fantasy is a combination of all things, music, gameplay, story. It's easy to overlook a small problem, like, say, I don't like a characters limit break. It's hard to over look something that I dislike but spend eighty percent of the game doing.

QUIT looking into the television set or monitor that your FFgame is playing on! enter the world SQUARE has to offer! this is more than a game, this is a life that you may live! accept the world, for it IS what it IS! you are Squall, Cloud, Zidane, whoever... this is your planet, these are your friends, this is your love, and THIS IS YOUR LIFE. don't play the game, LIVE the game. protect those you care for, defeat those who threaten the life of your planet...

..and survive.

I don't want to be Squall.

[Suezo]

THe only thing in FF that sucks is the random encounters. They are really frustrating.

[kaji]

the FFVIII graphics totally kicked FFVII's ass...i mean look! they have HANDS!!!! OMG!!

look...Square tried to do something different because everyone got bored of the same old type of FF...they invented the new draw/junction system...some people liked it, some people hated it, people hated it because they weren't used to it and confused about it. The ppl who liked it ended up with better characters and finished the game faster/easier...i don't care whether FFVII is betta than FFVIII or vice versa, they both had their appealing qualities and faults as well...i have yet to play FFIX but boy do i wanna play it!!